The ‘millionaire's tax’ is no solution

The following editorial appeared in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on April 12:

On Monday the U.S. Senate will take up S. 2230, “The Paying a Fair Share Act of 2012,” which would enact the so-called “Buffett Rule.”

As explained by President Barack Obama on Tuesday, the rule says, “If you make more money — more than $1 million a year, not if you have $1 million, but if you make more than $1 million a year you should pay at least the same percentage of your income in taxes as middle-class families do.”

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., admitted to us on Wednesday that S. 2230 has no chance of getting the 60 votes it needs to close off debate and pass in the Senate. None of the Senate’s 47 Republicans is expected to break rank.

Nevertheless, Mr. Durbin told a meeting of St. Louis Post-Dispatch editors and reporters, “if you believe in progressive taxation, this is fundamentally fair.”

The Republican presidential primaries demonstrated that many GOP voters, even those who aren’t millionaires, aren’t sold on the concept of progressive taxation, which holds that as one’s share of society’s benefits increases, so should one’s share of society’s costs.

While S. 2230 may fail on Monday, the “Buffett Rule” will be back again, attached to other legislation that will be considered before the November election. Democrats see the issues of tax fairness and income inequality as political winners — particularly as Mitt Romney, the putative GOP presidential nominee, paid a tax rate of only 13.9 percent on $21.7 million in income in 2010.

The bulk of Mr. Romney’s income came from dividends and capital gains, taxed at 15 percent. That was the issue that billionaire investor Warren Buffett addressed in a controversial op-ed article in The New York Times last August. He argued that it was unfair that wealthy investors, including him, can pay lower rates than middle- and upper-middle class taxpayers pay in combined payroll and income taxes.

Mr. Buffett said, for “those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains.”

In our meeting with Mr. Durbin, he told us that enacting the Buffett Rule in S. 2230 would raise $48 billion over 10 years. While that’s a drop in the deficit budget, he said, it would enable the government to avoid a rise in the 3.4 percent rate it pays on its considerable debt.

In fact, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., sponsor of S. 2230, told the Washington Post’s Ezra Klein that his bill could raise considerably more than that. The “millionaire’s tax” would phase in at incomes higher than $1 million and not fully apply at 30 percent until the 2-millionth dollar in income.

If you assume that all the Bush tax cuts expire as scheduled at the end of this year, the “Buffett Rule” would raise $47 billion. But if you assume, as the Republican House budget does, that all the tax cuts are extended, Mr. Whitehouse’s bill would raise $160 billion.

Right now these are political talking points, and they are likely to remain so until after November. The important issue is the principle: What is a fair share, and who should pay it? More important are the larger, existential questions of when and how will the United States combine tax and spending reforms to get its deficit under control.

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skippy's picture
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Beware of the political hacks

Beware of the political hacks that promote class warfare such as this. Most of us do not make the figure of $1,000,000 a year at present, but keep in mind that in 1960's dollars that million is only $100,000, still a respectable sum, but much more attainable esp. if both husband and wife work. Inflation is those hacks favorite form of robbing us working peasants. In another generation's time a million will not be such a big figure unless government in this country does what other countries have done and come out with a NEW dollar that will have one less zero on it thus a NEW $1.00 bill would equal an OLD $10.00 bill. All income should be taxed equally except for capital gains which should be indexed to inflation and then taxed equally. Instead, look for and support those politicians that want to limit taxes and government spending.

mgr's picture
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Ray, All that you to do is

Ray,
All that you to do is look at AMT to validate your argument.

Jason's picture
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They were never talking about

They were never talking about $100,000 family income. At it's lowest, it was $250K single filing or like $300K joint

And no, income should NOT be taxed equally. Reason being that $1 to a man making $10 and hour is far more of a burden than $10 is to a man making $100 and hour, because basic needs are fixed. There is a basic amount one needs to survive, and those on the short end of the stick have to cut that margin might tighter.

Is it fair? Nope. Life's not fair. Is it fair that some people have mroe advantages than others? Nope, but you don't see them crying about fairness then.

skippy's picture
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Please read my post again as

Please read my post again as the $100,000 is a reference to inflation's affect on these figures; politicians like to start with a high figure knowing what inflation will do for them. Realize when you buy anything today, if you think in 1960's dollars you would have to think of 1/10 of today's price i.e. what $10.00 today buys is what $1.00 in 1960 would buy. As far as all income should be taxed equally, I am referring to types of income in that dividend income should be taxed the same as earned income, and not tax brackets which is what you are referring to. Certainly those that earn $100,000/year should pay higher taxes and a higher rate as they reach the higher figure as compared to the $50,000 earner, but I hope you agree it does not matter how you earn that money either as investment income or earned income by labor. All should be subject to same tax rates.

Jason's picture
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Absolutely

I think income is income. I absolutely think all income should be taxed the same, be it capital gain, wages or inheritance.

jalbrecht's picture
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What's obvious is that it is getting less fair every year

In 1980, the year of the confederate takeover of the Federal Goverment, workers received 60 cents of each dollar in increased economic growth. Since then workers have lost 25% and the millionaires received virtually all the economic benefits of growth within the last 30 years. We as a nation pay less Federal taxes than we have since the Second World War. Corporations pay less than 1/2 of what they did just after World War II. In short the Republican Norquist plan has been put into execution and we the workers of America have been tied to the stake while Mitt Romney and friends hold the guns.
We need a simple tax system that taxes disposable income of all forms at the same rate with a progressive rate that hits 50% for the top bracket (say $10,000,000).

mgr's picture
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Jonathan, Don’t forget that

Jonathan,

Don’t forget that dividends are already taxed at the corporate tax rate prior to distribution to the shareholders. Today the top corporate tax rate is 35%. Thereafter, those same dollars are taxed again at the ordinary or qualified dividend rate.

If you support fairness, then you surely support only taxing that money once. Is that a correct assumption?

veritas's picture
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And just what company is actually taxed at the top rate??

Crickets....

mgr's picture
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You’ve been silent lately. I

You’ve been silent lately. I hope all is well.

veritas's picture
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Mark - The 'Wealth' has already been 'Redistributed'

The 'Wealth' has already been 'Redistributed' - Folks are sadly unaware how much the 'Have's" now Have and the rest of us "Have Not" So you've decided to carry water for the 'Haves' - and no end of facts will change your mind that at some point in time the 'Haves' have to 'Do'

This article in Bloomberg Businessweek -

Commentary: The Inequality Delusion

Excerpt:

So it might be surprising to learn that Americans are in broad agreement on the need for a more equal distribution of wealth. Yet that's what a forthcoming study by two psychologists, Dan Ariely of Duke University and Michael I. Norton of Harvard Business School, has concluded. First, Ariely and Norton asked thousands of Americans what they thought the nation's actual wealth distribution looks like: how much is owned by the wealthiest 20 percent of the population, the next-wealthiest 20 percent, and on down. The researchers then asked people what, in an ideal world, they would like the nation's wealth distribution to be.

Ariely and Norton found that Americans think they live in a far more equal country than they in fact do. On average, those surveyed estimated that the wealthiest 20percent of Americans own 59 percent of the nation's wealth; in reality the top quintile owns around 84 percent. The respondents further estimated that the poorest 20 percent own 3.7 percent, when in reality they own 0.1percent.

And when asked to give their ideal distribution, they described, on average, a nation where the wealth distribution looks not like the U.S. but like Sweden, only more so—the wealthiest quintile would control just 32 percent of the wealth, the poorest just over 10 percent. "People dramatically underestimated the extent of wealth inequality in the U.S.," says Ariely. "And they wanted it to be even more equal."

The United States, according to this study, is a nation of people who would like to spread the wealth around. They just don't know it.

Can it really be that simple? In part, this work fits into a proud tradition of social science research demonstrating the basic ignorance of the average American. (Ariely and Norton conducted a small follow-up survey of economists and found that though their estimates were better than average, they also got it wrong.)

t's possible that if more people understood how deeply unequal American society has become they would support measures to combat it. The U.S. now has the world's second-lowest level of income mobility between generations, after England, according to research by economist Miles Corak at the University of Ottawa. Yet studies have also shown that voters have an impressive ability to absorb information that contradicts their beliefs without letting it change their minds. People support the abstract goal of equality, it seems, while staunchly opposing specific government measures—whether increasing tax rates or limiting executive pay—designed to impose it. Getting there, in other words, is what starts the political arguments, even at a moment of widespread bipartisan anger at Wall Street.

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(Here's a graph based upon the authors' findings in another publication - http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-cha...)

"A Harvard business prof and a behavioral economist recently asked more than 5,000 Americans how they thought wealth is distributed in the United States. Most thought that it’s more balanced than it actually is. Asked to choose their ideal distribution of wealth, 92% picked one that was even more equitable.

Obviously Americans have no idea of how bad the problems of wealth inequity are. This includes you, Mark.

veritas's picture
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All is Well

I've been spending more time with my hobbies than with trading barbs over the internet.

This is the sort of crap I play with....... http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/Letters/ServedonUSSCanberraandbui.html

mgr's picture
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Just remember that fairness

Just remember that fairness is a two-way street. Is it fair for 50% of tax filers pay no federal income taxes? True fairness would mean they pay proportional to their income.

veritas's picture
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Look at the graph above.

It appears that 50% of the people in America own less than 5% of the wealth. They may not pay Federal Income Taxes, but they are paying many other taxes: sales, excise, property, etc, etc......

jalbrecht's picture
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Need stop watching fox.

50% acutually its closer to 40% of income tax filers pay no income tax. Those people come from all levels of income. Exxon Mobil pays no income tax in many years. True fairness means when everyone and entity pays a tax on the same basis. If people pay based in gross income then corporations must pay based on gross sales. If people pay on disposable income then corporations pay on gross profits. Taxes of all types has to be included in any discussion of tax fairness. Today we have a tax system that benefits the wealthiest Americans to the detriment of the middle class and poor. If money is freedom (which the SCOTUS has ruled it is) and all men are equal, then tax rates must be progressive to bring freedom closer to equality, but you don't have to use that argument. The wealthiest use the governmntal system much more than the middle class and the poor and therefore should pay much higher rates..

mgr's picture
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I respectfully disagree on

I respectfully disagree on many points.
1. According to the tax foundation, the bottom 50% of federal tax payers contribute 2.3% of the total tax revenue, which is virtually nothing [ref http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/28007.html]
2. Moreover, the top 10% pay more than 70% of the overall revenue – isn’t that fair enough? However, people are demanding more.
3. All men should have equal opportunity, not guaranteed results. For example, if I work 80hrs a week, and comparatively make more than someone who works 40hrs a week, why should I be penalized? I traded my time for dollars, so why should someone be entailed to my earnings? That is a moral issue in itself. Is that fair?
4. If the wealthiest use the government to their advantage, which I’m not denying, your punishment via tax code will not work for by your own admission, the rich control government. Another solution is needed, is it not? Perhaps smaller government, or a flat tax, no deductions for personal income.
5. In closing, I would assert your definition of equality is subjective and vulnerable to human vagaries, such as greed. Greed is not only reserved for the wealthy. Moreover, there is a large swath of people the fall in your definition of rich that work may hour and make many sacrifices that others may not. For example, I know some well to do people that have not taken a vacation in 20 years, how is it fair to steal the sacrifices they made in the name of economic equality.
6. Lastly, let me ask a personal question. Why do you despise the more well to do?

mgr's picture
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I respectfully disagree on

I respectfully disagree on many points.
1. According to the tax foundation, the bottom 50% of federal tax payers contribute 2.3% of the total tax revenue, which is virtually nothing [ref http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/28007.html]
2. Moreover, the top 10% pay more than 70% of the overall revenue – isn’t that fair enough? However, people are demanding more.
3. All men should have equal opportunity, not guaranteed results. For example, if I work 80hrs a week, and comparatively make more than someone who works 40hrs a week, why should I be penalized? I traded my time for dollars, so why should someone be entailed to my earnings? That is a moral issue in itself. Is that fair?
4. If the wealthiest use the government to their advantage, which I’m not denying, your punishment via tax code will not work for by your own admission, the rich control government. Another solution is needed, is it not? Perhaps smaller government, or a flat tax, no deductions for personal income.
5. In closing, I would assert your definition of equality is subjective and vulnerable to human vagaries, such as greed. Greed is not only reserved for the wealthy. Moreover, there is a large swath of people the fall in your definition of rich that work may hour and make many sacrifices that others may not. For example, I know some well to do people that have not taken a vacation in 20 years, how is it fair to steal the sacrifices they made in the name of economic equality.
6. Lastly, let me ask a personal question. Why do you despise the more well to do?

jalbrecht's picture
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Your bias is showing.

1. "your punishment", "steal" - paying taxes is contributing to the strength, and success of this country ; hardly a punishment.
2. I agree that the "rich" make sacrifices; do things that other people would not do, but why should we honor them for that. They would not do those things if they did not feel rewarded in some way. May be money; may not. Most "rich" folks don't even know what money they have. They do what they do for a sense of accomplishment, victory, power, prestige, or your claim that they should be honored by those that have different values. For example, I'm an amateur historian. Read last night about Rev. Lyman Beecher's leaving the Lane Seminary to return to Boston in 1846. By all measures he was the most successful Calvinist minister in New England in the first 1/2 of 1800's. Total value of everything he owned (his age about 70) $300 which he was to be paid in installments and he was never fully paid. He left completely happy and a success and satisfied. He never felt he made any sacrifices in fact the opposite he felt blessed.
3. You write like property is absolute, everything you ever earned was the result of your and only your efforts. No one ever has earned solely by their own efforts everything they have earned. That fallacy is the real greed, pride, arrogance.
4. We have a flat tax in fact we have a regressive tax system, the rich pay at a lower rate than the poor. In Maine the lowest 20% pay at twice the rate (about 21%) in total state & local taxes as the other 80% which pays an almost flat rate of 10. something%. That is the result of the rich controlling the system and why we do need another system. The proof of that is simple in the last 30 years increases in economic growth have more than gone to the top 1% of earners; the 99% have lost standard of living. The reason - because the rich have changed the laws to expropriate the wealth of the middle class and poor and re-distributed it to themselves.
5. I don't despise the more well to do. I just recognize a well known truth - money is power and power corrupts absolutely. Concentrations of power/money prevent the establishment of a just society where everyone as an equal opportunity to succeed based on their values.

mgr's picture
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1. There is clearly a line

1. There is clearly a line where taxes become punitive and destructive. That line shall be draw on an individual bases. You as an individual have a limit. How many pennies on the dollar are you willing to give the government? The other fallacy in your line of thought is that you are assuming the government will spend the money it collects wisely. One just has to look at today’s corporate interest competing and winning those dollars to see what will happen if more money is sent to Washington, there is no guarantee that country will be strengthened in the end. As an example, just look at the national debt. You can confiscate all the income of the top 1% and that will not even put a dent in the dept. That is not a position of strength. Remember, all humans are subject to greed, what makes the people in government any different.
2. I guarantee that those who labor for their ricks knows where the money come and goes, especially if you definition of rich is $250K and up. All this business about progressive taxation is has little or nothing to do about success. Moreover, of one loves to pay taxes, they are welcome to pay more than they owe. Funny how I’ve never heard anyone doing so… why is that?
3. Perhaps that is the problem with progressives, what you earn is mine? Property values should be absolute. We all have a point that we’ll stop working to pay others through taxation.
4. By definition, all pay the same rate under a flat tax system, which can be expressed with mathematical precision – TAX = RATE*INCOME. Income redistribution is not a tax. Moreover, is has more to do with government policy than the rich stealing form lower income earners. Government policy has accelerated globalization. To that end, your fight should be with the government, not the rich.
5. Perhaps money is a vehicle for corruption and buys government favors today, but that is not the root cause. The root cause is giving power to the government over our lives, which leads to completion for favors to be bought and sold. If you abolish money, but not government, favors will still be bartered from the government. If you abolish government, but not money, there are no favors to be bought. This is only a hypothetical example that shows extremes and the existence of government to be bought.
In closing, it is not the rich that should concern you. What should concern you is your government selling our freedom to the highest bidder. That said, why would we give government more power over our lives.

jalbrecht's picture
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Of course

Of course, there is a line. Actually there is a line for each individual. We have taxed income at rates from 1% with no deductions to 91% with loopholes (exemptions) for an effective marginal rate of 52%. Now we have a effective marginal rate somewhere between 15 and 25%. Rates taxes are less than half of what we have experienced in the last 60 years. So as a nation we are nowhere near that line. As long as we have those ridiculous exemptions tax rates into the 70% range are well under the line where social resistance becomes destructive of either individual motivation or national goals. With no deductions other than minimum standard of living the effective marginal tax rate would need to be under 50%.
2. I don't assume that the government spends the money wisely. That's purely subjective. Does it spend the money consistent with natonal goals defined by the political process, that's objective. In that regard, your objection is not with how it is spent but the process that produces political goals consistent not with the political process but with the distribution of power. Corporations have gotten federal economic assistance since at least 1830's. Corporations have had one political party, Whigs in the 1840's Republicans now, that reflect Corporation power and not the formal political process. Federal spending is the symptom, not the problem. The failure of the politcal process to correctly reflect the goals and ambitions of the people (corruption) is the problem.
3. Absolute property rights to a myth and a delusion maybe at sometimes a goal. Never has been and never will be. What we own is not who we are. That we own is what the political process allows. Look no further than the foreclosure crisis. What people thought they owned is not theirs. Why. Federal Judge ruled last week that the process used by Wells Fargo bank to manage fees and penalties defrauded everyone whose mortagage they administrated. Yet they have the political power to enforce their fraud and mortagee does not or at least so far does not.
4. Backwards. Globalization has changed Goverment policy to further accelerate more globalization. Economics (power) drives politics. Government is always and forever the servant not the master of power.

hawaiian's picture
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The ‘millionaire's tax’ is no solution

ed. 12.04.16 19:00
( What ? This is a dumb and not very well crafted editorial , LSJ ® :)
If you are not part of the solution your are - definately - part of the problem , St. Louis Dispatch In other words , if you don't get it you certainly do not get it and probably never will get it http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
The solution you have - not - offered is definately not a solution
You pose unfortunate mindless rhetoric editor in St. Louis MO
Aloha from Pahoa /s , Steve

mgr's picture
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Steve, For every one of those

Steve,
For every one of those letters there are many, many success stories, and I’m not talking about the 1%’ers either, how could that be?

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