great programs. I was part of the JROTC program from 2005-2009. I loved every minute of it. I was apart of the Veteran's Day Ceremonies. These kids are going places.
"Primary education is taught in a classroom environment."
I have taken students on field trips, right outside the school for activities where they look at animals, trees, grass and habitats. That to me is not a classroom environment.
My sources for students spending time in standardized testing would be my 8th grade brother and my experience in classrooms that take these tests. NWEA's are given 3 times a year. There are 3 tests within this test that are given over a 3 week period. The NECAP's are given once a year and are taken over the course of one week. All that equals 10 weeks of testing. On top you spend about a week in advance for preparation of all students testing. That equals about 3 months of testing.
My statement about Maine being a top school before NCLB comes from what I have learned in my training to be a teacher.
Can you cite your sources as primary education being taught only in a classroom?
Mark, are you a teacher? Have you studied how students learn? Do you know ANYTHING about education except what you read in the newspaper?
I am one year away from getting my certification. I am a teacher in training and my training tells me that I do need to understand how each student learns best. Getting to know students is part of my job.
Teachers don't just teach in the classroom. We don't just teach the basic subjects. Standardized tests are not the answer. Removing students who don't want to learn is not the answer. Letting the teachers do their job is the answer. I want whats best for ALL students and standardized tests are not whats best.
NCLB was a great idea, but not in practice. Common Core will allow students to transfer schools between states and schools and not be behind. What is the best way to ensure all students are meeting the goals? The government says standardized tests. MY opinion is that standardized tests are not the answer.
Lewiston Middle School Students spent 3 months last year in standardized tests instead of learning. The problem is that there are too many standardized tests. Let the teachers use the standards to guide the education as well as the students learning styles and interests. Let the school districts decide how to assess the learning of all students based on the students and the demographics of the districts.
When NCLB was enacted, Maine was a top state in education. We cannot meet our current goals because it is so high and our demographics have changed in a way that we need to change to help students, but we can't because of the government. We need to give the control back to the teachers.
I've studied education? Have you? Do you actually know what it takes to teach children. You said that in countries like Asia, the students excel and that our idea of education is cultural, so that means we have to teach to the culture. We have different priorities than they do in Asia and our education needs to differ from theirs to incorporate our culture and help to make our country better. Rote memorization doesn't work anymore.
And regarding the SATs, Tina is right. The SATs are mandated by the state to be given to ALL juniors, but College Board, the company that makes the SATs, decides on the dates for the testing. All the dates are on Saturday and the schools pick one, normally the May date, to have all the juniors take the test
Let me clarify because apparently you didn't get my point. When I said "They refuse to show up on Saturdays to take a standardized test.", I meant that students don't want to get up early to take test of a day they normally have off from school. This cause the Lewiston High School grade to drop a whole letter grade because less than 95% of the Junior class took the SATs last year. It's not about losing a day of instruction. Its about the students not caring anymore because they have been set up to fail by the government and the moral is down. These school "grades" bring moral down even more.
“When No Child Left Behind came out, Maine was one of the top states.” No the school was not one of the top in the state. Reread what i said. I said that Maine was one of the top states. I know that Lewiston High is not the top school in the state. It is far from it, but more and more students in Lewiston are falling through the cracks because we can't get the funding we need.
I have studied Child Psychology as well as how children learn. Other countries have different priorities. If we want our students to succeed with the new standards that are coming out, we need to engage students and the best way to do that is to keep school from being boring. We have to make learning interesting and fun. Kids learn more when they think they are not learning at all. Have students do experiments, and write about topics they care about. Have students do service learning. It is known to work. Students learn and are able to be better citizens and students when they are interested in school. We need our students to be able to think for themselves and think of solutions to problems. We are currently teaching students for job that are not even available to anyone because the technology hasn't been invented yet.
I lived in Lewiston my entire life. I have a positive attitude when it comes to culture. I want all the student that I teach to succeed, but standardized testing is not the way to go. It hurts the students and the schools more than it helps. Until all states adopt the same standards, there is not universal yardstick. On top of that the current standards are being phased out and new ones are coming in. The times change and so do the standards.
While you seem to think that Lewiston is to be avoided, I think its a great place of change and you could learn a lot from being there. I have a better understanding than my peers do about culture because I came from a diverse city. Many of my peers did not. That makes me better able to adapt as a teacher because I am already prepared. Once I finish school, I will be moving back to Lewiston and I will be looking to be a teacher there. I will be ready to help Lewiston become a better city and I will start with education. Common sense isn't so common anymore and more than education needs to change.
It's not the teachers. It's the state and federal government. When learning isn't fun anymore, you lose the students, they want to drop out. They refuse to show up early on Saturdays to take a standardized test. There needs to be a big change in all schools in the state of Maine, but to do that we need funding, and we cant get funding because of the test scores so either way Maine is set up to fail. When No Child Left Behind came out, Maine was one of the top states. Now we are near the bottom because of the standardized tests. Even if we don't reach out yearly goal, the next year's goals continue to rise. I am a student at the University of Maine at Farmington. I am studying to be an elementary school teacher. I had my practicum block in a school that was failing to meet yearly progress. Because of this, we could only teach math, reading, and writing. The students could still have their specials like art and music and gym, but science and social studies were only allowed to be taught once a week for an hour. That meant that my mentor teacher and I had to come up with creative ways to integrate those courses, because we still had to give a grade for those subjects when report cards came out. It's not the school, the teachers, or the students. It is the legislation. Until that is fixed, then Maine will continue to see a decline in the graduation rates and test scores.
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It ahold say we need to look at the education system as a whole, because many kids are falling through the cracks.
Why do we need standardized testing? Most of the time that doesn't work. Most kids do not do well on standardized tests and many students who are still learning English have to take the test in English, then they don't do well and and then bring the overall scores down. Standardized tests are not the answer and neither is the A-F system. We need to seriously look at the education system as a hole, because many kids are falling through the cracks. As a future educator, I've seen the research, I've seen first hand what happens to students during the testing. Some students can't even sit through a whole exam because they get anxious. Yes I agree the schools need to be evaluated, but the A-F system and standardized testing are not the answers.
As a future teacher, the events that occurred a last Friday really hit home. I am going to be a teacher in 1.5 years and I know that this is a big issue. Teachers DO NOT need to have guns in the schools. Teachers are there to teach the students.
We need to teach students that violence in not the answer. Having teachers with guns gives students more access. Also if a parent is allowed to bring a gun into the school and is upset with a staff member, it could end badly.
If people feel there needs to be more security than have a retired military personal or police officer at the school.
I personally do not like guns, but I believe that people have the right to own and use them. Private citizens do not need high power military grade guns; they don't need high-capacity magazines.
We all need to reflect on what happened, honor all those that were killed and let them rest in peace. We need to make changes yes, but NOT arm our teachers. I will never own a gun let alone hold on.
Note to the NRA:
Columbine had an armed guard.
Virginia Tech had their own police force.
Ft. Hood was a military base