Once again the Catholic Church is using the political process to deny the rights of others. Historically, the church has randomly used the Bible to attack people. The church chooses only those biblical passages which meet their goals. Throughout history, the church has attempted to hide their sins rather than live up to the standards it demands: the documented brutal physical abuse of children in orphanages, sexual abuse of boys and the discrimination of women by not allowing them to serve equally as men in the Church.
The Catholic Church has moved criminal priests from one parish to another in an effort to hide offenders of crimes against the weakest members of our society, our children.
Question 1 is not a religious question. It is a question of giving gay and lesbian couples the same state and federal benefits as heterosexual couples. Domestic partnerships do not provide these benefits.
The church's role in marriage is a religious blessing which they will continue to do. Marriage has evolved throughout history. Religious history teaches us that marriage was not intended for love but rather the ownership of women by men, multiple wives, the transfer of property and procreation regardless of a woman's desire.
Marriage has evolved to represent the joining of two adults who wish to share their lives. Voting No on Question 1 will allow for the full evolution of the state and federal definition of marriage by allowing all of our citizens to legally marry in our state.
Raymond Gagnon, West Gardiner

Why, the anti-Catholic/Christian sentiments contained in this letter and in the posts following aren't at all bigoted or mean-spirited or hateful. Nor are they ignorant, nor based on inaccuracies. No, no, not at all! Talk about hypocrisy.
I may be misunderstanding the point of your post, but are you saying that the letter above is not accurate? Were there NO children physically abused in Catholic orphanges? No preists simply relocated from parish to another when found to have commited gross sexual imposition (rape) on children? No polygamy? No marriages arranged for politcal purposes, or for the "greater good?" The Bible does not tell stories of polygamy, give instructions for women to be totally subservient and that women must procreate?
I am sorry to have to disagree with you again.
Given the serious lapses of morality by Catholic and Protestant alike, throughout history and continuing until today, I do not find that any Biblical religion has any right to teach its form of morality, or to hold itself any closer to "right" that any other religion, nor atheists. It is especially deplorable with a religious leader, whose sole---or "soul"--- purpose is to bring people closer to God, commits acts of infidelity, rape, thievery , murder, etc.
If there is a place of punishment in the afterlife, I suspect they will be in a reserved section with special torments applied. Not far behind will be those who caused difficulty for God's creatures in order to justify a sanctimonius urge, or to uphold "God's Law."
I think God can handle all of the sinners, and all of the sin. We should be trying to help each other get through life as best we can, with all of our faults. Only then can we begin to be Godlike. Have mercy. We all need help, and no one should pretend to have all the answers. Live your life as best you can, help others, but stay out of their business, or leave them alone.
allowing all citizens to legally marry MORAL DECAY
And what was the reason given for YOUR excommunication, Raymond? Interesting how supporting gay marriage and bashing the Catholic Church seem to go hand in hand.
I find the Catholic Church to be full of hypocrites. Catholics claim that marriage is sacred. They don't support divorce. Instead, a couple can be married for 10 years and have 3 children, yet once either the husband or wife decides they do not want to be married anymore the church is quick to grant an annullment. Of course this anullment can cost thousands of dollars and the church readily accepts their money to "erase" this marriage. If a member instead opts to get a divorce then they are excommunicated. Yet when a priest molests someone he is not excommunciated. Instead, he is simply transfered to another parish. No wonder the local Catholic churches are closing. People are no longer willing to accept this cavalier attitude of the church.
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Your "facts" are ALL simply incorrect without exception. With regard to hypocrisy: The Church is full of sinful individuals from the laity to the clergy, but as you'll remember Christ came for sinners. However, the Church is consistent in Her teachings. You appear not to understand them.
An annullment is not a "Catholic divorce." Failure to meet certain preconditions render a marriage null or invalid - that is to say, the marriage never took place. For example, someone who is mentally ill or unable to consummate their marriage cannot licitly contract a marriage. A person entering marriage with the idea that he need not be faithful or intends never to have children cannot licitly contract a marriage. Nor is a person who is forced to marry able to give the free consent necessary to contract marriage.
Annullments are not granted for couples who find they have "irreconciliable differences" - or even for those who are the victims of abuse, as sad as those cases are. The duration of the marriage has no effect on the nullifying conditions present at the time of the wedding ceremony.
Costs associated with the annullment process ($200 - $1000 on the highest end) go to pay canon lawyers (who are often lay people) to investigate the case and process paper work. They deserve to be paid for their work. If expert (psychiatrists, physicians, etc.) investigation into the case is necessary, additional fees may be incurred. However, any fees may be paid in installments or be waived entirely depending on a individual's financial situation. As well, some dioceses charge nothing at all for the annullment process.
Furthermore, divorced Catholics are NOT excommunicated. They may continue to receive the Sacrament so long as they have not attempted to contract another marriage within or outside of the Church, unless their marriage has been investigated and determined to be invalid.
The attitude of the Church with regard to marriage is hardly cavalier. Have some annullments been granted injudiciously? Yes. But it is important to know that the primary responsibility for assessing the validity of a marriage lies with the couple who self-report regarding the character of their marriage. Annullments are not granted from the Church infallibly. If a couple misrepresents the facts of their marriage, they may be granted an annullment in spite of having been validly married, but they will be accountable to final Judgement for their misrepresentations and any future attempts to contract marriage.
Local Catholic churches are not closing because of what the Catholic Church teaches. Church communities and seminaries where the truth and the Faith are strictly upheld find themselves expanding above and beyond physical capacity.
Finally, the Catholic Church's current policy with regard to sexual misconduct on the part of those in Holy Orders is indeed to excommunicate and laicize them. Previous policies were based upon an insufficient understanding of the nature of sexual abusers. Moreover, the occurrence of sexual abuse within the Catholic Church is far lower than that which occurs in the population at large or within other Christian denominations.
I don't write this all for your sake News4U. I am simply hoping that others, who by seeing these lies repeated, are not miseducated or turned away from the Catholic Church based on falsity and half-truths.
Yeah, I know what you mean, news4u...Catholics and their Church are really bad people. WALK THE PLANK, YOU MORON!!!! AARRGHH!!
Pirate writes: WALK THE PLANK, YOU MORON!!!! Ahhhh.... Can't we just join hands and sit around the campfire singing Kum Bu Ya???
The Vatican will soon disappear! She is seeing the last of her days, because God on earth is uncovering her fornication, terrorism!
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news4u, the church handled the priest abuse situation badly, that is true and I agree with you. Everything else that you said is FALSE. An annulment is an exhaustive process, takes a long time, is not always granted and can cost NOTHING.
The information that you give is completely wrong and can easily be proven.
This is not opinion, this is fact. Your argument is not valid when based on information which is incorrect.
I am friends with a couple who requested an annullment. It took over a year to complete the process. Friends & associates were asked to write character reference letters before the request was granted. They ended up paying $8,000 for this annullment. Money talks. I stand by my facts.
Whoever said the Catholic Church was perfect? How many of the other denominations are perfect? Judaism?, Islam?
Liberals constantly preach tolerance and "live and let live" but they practice none of it. Want proof? Just disagree with one.
Services cost money, even if they are religious in nature. I won't argue with you about the cost to your friends, I'm sure that is true. They obviously had the means to pay for this service. I also know some people who went through what you described and it cost them nothing because they had nothing. It can cost something but can also cost nothing.
I will restrict this post to you assertion about annulments. The Church is never "quick" to give one. Instead, the married couple must go through a great deal to prove, to the satisfaction of the Church, that the annulment is warranted. If they can't, the annulment is not granted., The Church never - repear, never - allows divorces. Why that is, is not at issue. All you Church-bashers are quick to point out the wrongs done by the Church (and, I agree with most of you when posting about how the Church "handled" child abusing Priests), but you never - repeat, never - remember just how much good the Church has done and continues to do.
"The democracy will cease to exist when the government takes from those who would work and gives to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson.
Old Bill you wrote:"The Church never - repear, never - allows divorces. Why that is, is not at issue"
In Malachi 2:16 it states: “I hate divorce, says the LORD God of Israel.” I didn't see where it continues "but annullments are acceptable."Why is it acceptable to annul a marriage? Why pretend that the marriage never existed in the first place? Is it because the Bible has so many references to divorce and Catholics find it hard to accept? This is why it is difficult not to say that the Catholic church is very hypocritical. Does the church include this Bible verse "Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate” (Matthew 19:6) in the wedding ceremony of a Catholic couple?
news4u you wrote: "Why pretend that the marriage never existed in the first place?"
An annulment does not say that the marriage never existed, it says that it is no longer valid.
Incorrect - an annulment does exactly that. A wedding ceremony may have taken place, but either the form or the matter rendered the marriage invalid at the time of the ceremony. A big difference.
So does a divorce!
OK, I didn't claim any different.
Great letter. Religion is immaterial to question 1. Its just being used to justify personal hatreds
Jon Albrecht Dixfield
Good letter. Thank you.
Brave letter! Thank you.
Wonderful letter. One important correction: SNAP, The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, is comprised of nearly 50% women. It is a mistake to believe that the abuse by priests for many decades and covered up by the church, was perpetrated only on boys, or only by gay priests. It is important that truth is understood in this campaign.
Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate the knoweledge. Interesting that the most publicized cases involve boys, that definetly says something about our society! Thanks again.
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