Question 2: Cut is worse than the tax

We dislike Maine's automobile excise tax.

Paying an annual chunk of money for owning a car grates against our more Libertarian sensibilities. That the tax is based on a vehicle's Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price also adds insult to agony, since MSRP is a fairy tale figure. Nobody pays it.

Yet even though the excise tax provokes this visceral reaction, we do not favor Question 2, which asks Maine voters to chop it in half, and create tax incentives to purchase "green" vehicles. We might be ornery, but we're not myopic.

Cutting the excise tax like this would be worse than leaving it intact.

Here's why: A tax shift will happen. It's unavoidable. Cutting the excise tax will be felt on property taxes, as municipal governments have few places to raise revenue. The money must come from somewhere; that somewhere will be owners of homes and commercial property.

Halving the excise tax does nothing to reform its underlying unfairness. What's needed is a sensible tax, not just a lower bad one. For lawmakers, the automobile excise tax is overdue for attention from the same wise minds behind this session's laudable tax-reform bill.

The chief flaw with Maine's tax is its basis, the MSRP.
Massachusetts, for example, bases its excise tax on the value of vehicles, a much fairer assessment. Oklahoma bases its excise tax on a new vehicle's sale price or a used vehicle's value, which are both realistic.

Setting Maine excise tax to vehicle value or sale price could accomplish several goals: make the tax more defensible, reduce its cost to taxpayers and weaken any disincentive to new automobile sales the current excise tax may create. Let's try doing this first, before considering ideas like Question 2, which is a blatant anti-tax initiative clad in an ill-fitting green suit.

While the plan it espouses certainly fulfills some agendas — particularly those of the organization trumpeting it, Maine Leads — the initiative as a whole makes little sense for voters and taxpayers. The vast majority of Maine vehicle owners pay minimum excise taxes (72 percent in Lewiston, for example) so the prospective cuts are minimal and will be more than likely offset by increases to property taxes. 

Yes, of course: We dislike the excise tax, and cutting it in half would feel good.

But it's not the smart thing to do. That's why we say vote No on Question 2.

editorialboard@sunjournal.com

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Vegaspos's picture

I've seen a lot of

I've seen a lot of complaints from people on here about not only the excise tax in general but the fact that it's based on MSRP. First off what do you propose it should be based on? Actual sale price? Some states tried that, turns out it was a bad idea. What happens is you buy a new car and pay the full tax the first year, the next year you sell it to your wife/child or someone else, on the bill of sale you put $1.00 and the state can only charge you tax on $1.00. The next scenario, you actually sell your car to someone else, he pays you $3,000.00 and on the bill of sale you write that you sold it to him for $1.00 and every year he only has to pay taxes for $1.00. Who foots the bill for this deception? The honest people and new car buyers.

Here's another dose of reality for you. When my truck was registered in another state I paid 4 times what I pay in Maine. You are right though, there isn't excise tax in some other states, but rest assured that in most states there is some other annual fee incurred from owning a vehicle. No one drives for free. The roads don't take care of themselves and the excise tax in Maine is miniscule compared to others.

Another argument for no is nowhere in this bill does it state exactly where the balance this significant drop in state and town/city revenue is going to come from. In other words there is no plan to recover the lost income. This is also in essence a double decrease as the reduced fuel consumption will decrease the amount of state taxed fuel purchased. I’m sorry, but if you’re going to propose a law you need to mitigate the adverse effects that law is going to have on the state and local government and the people. If you ask me, the incentive for buying a fuel efficient vehicle should be left strictly to the reduced cost in fuel the consumer will experience. Anything more is wasting money that this state desperately needs. Another argument is that not everybody can use a fuel efficient vehicle. Am I to go to work and upon returning home, park my fuel efficient vehicle at the end of my driveway after a foot of snow has accumulated until I am able to sufficiently clear my 700? long driveway? Please don’t tell me that I only represent a small portion of the population. If you feel the agenda of fuel efficient vehicles need to be pushed in Maine then assemble all of the auto dealers together and ask them to fund the production of a commercial, then go to the television and radio stations and ask them to air it for free.

jalbrecht1's picture
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No you didn't Robert61

No you didn't Robert61 because you want to deceive people. Make what changes in how they do business? Do you have any suggestions. Of course not. These mythical changes don't exist because most towns at least those with town halls run on a shoe string now. They have cut everything there is to cut. You just don't want to meet your responsibilities.
or pay your fair share of taxes.
Question is a dumb proposal which benefits the rich and well-to-do while putting at risk the safety of the poor and middle class.

Vote NO on 2

Jon Albrecht Dixfield

SC's picture
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How about we rethink the

How about we rethink the whole money spending issue? Change spending habits. Everybody complains about the environment and when there is suddenly an incentive to be able to afford a newer car, people discourage it. It is very expensive to insure and register a new car versa old so that’s why we see a lot of clunkers still on the road. Cutting that money off for the towns, cities etc. would mean that they need to find alternatives without holding out hands for tax dollars. In this society everyone wants a free ride instead of figuring out how to get the results with what we have. I have to do this on my own since years, most middleclass working people have to, because they are working, paying those taxes which are wasted so often in my opinion and don’t get a free handout to help paying their bills. Maybe our government should ask working families with children how they manage to stay on a fixed income without making new debts or asking for more free money.

crash694's picture

First i think that the

First i think that the excise tax has been set up wrong. When we buy a car, truck or Motorcycle, Nobody b=pay the actual price on the sticker, or suggested list, Come on never happens. And for the local tax office to charge us on the List price, is for one a big rip off to us, So now they are scrambiling. To be fair they should charge tax on the actuall sale price that the buyer has paid. Yeah the city and stat looses, But it is alo time thay they start to live within there means, since we that tax payer are the one that actually will end up paying for it in the end, And we are getting sick and tired of more taxes. So i would not be in favore of using propertaxes to to go to roads, etc. If you cannot afford it don't spend it, We have to as individual.

exoggensani's picture

I agree with you. We did not

I agree with you. We did not buy the car now at sticker price if it's a 1994! This I do agree should be changed. I was quite shocked when I went in to pay my excise tax to re register my vehicle and the lady told me it went up. I told her the value of my vehicle didn't go up and it's the same vehicle I had for several years.

to be or not's picture

EXCISE TAX IS FOR ROADS ONLY

EXCISE TAX IS FOR ROADS ONLY BUT ON WGME ,IN PORTLAND THEY USE IIT FOR OTHER THINGS.AND EXCISE TAX IS OK BUT THE WAY ITS SET UP IS WRONG .IT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE AGE OF CAR.NEW YOU PAY AFTER 6 YEARS OLD IT GOES LOWER NOT STAY AT A HIGH RATE OF $100.00 PLUS. I COULD HAVE A 1980 AND STILL PAY $100.00 PLUS THATS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!I AM [[[NOT]]]]SAYING GET RID OF THE EXCISE TAX JUST DO IT RIGHT IF YOU HAVE A BRAND NEW CAR YOU WILL APY A HIGHER RATE BUT LIKE I SAY KEEP GOING DOWN AFTER 6 YEARS.................AND USE IT FOR ROADS ONLY..

preaves's picture
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Please don't write in all

Please don't write in all caps. It's perceived as yelling and distracting to other commenters.

Pattie Reaves, Web Editor

skippy's picture
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I think it is time for Maine

I think it is time for Maine to enter today's world. Other States do not even have an excise tax. Wonder why you see so many Florida plates in Maine? Could it be that Florida only charges something like $35.00 to register a car total for a year? And oh yes, no vehicle inspections at another $12 or so plus the inconvenience; and what do most inspection stations check? Maine has to do away completely with excise taxes on all vehicles, boats etc., do away with its income tax, and add a few percentage points to its sales tax giving the State 6%, the county a few cents, and the Cities a small amount. This could really be revenue neutral, would have visitors pay their fair share, and would probably help folks decide to remain Maine residents when they move South for the winter thus Maine would benefit in having more population when Federal grants are passed out. Maybe Florida resident Mr. Ken Curtis could address the Legislature on this.

lead dog's picture

I see one big flaw with your

I see one big flaw with your sales tax redistribution plan. Many small towns have very little or no retail sales to collect tax from. What happens to a town like Weld which only has one small convenience store and no grocery or hardware store. The town of Weld would get almost nothing back from your sales tax plan because the people who live there do there shopping in Farmington or Phillips. Your plan would really subsidize the tax revenues for cities like Auburn with its many new car dealerships. People from surounding towns make some major purchases there and pay some hefty taxes on those new car purchases.

exoggensani's picture

ok but if they are only

ok but if they are only paying $35.00 to register a car for a total year, where are the funds coming to pay for road repairs? There has to be some one paying some how to make road repairs.

And is it fair for those that don't even have a vehicle pay for road repairs when they don't drive on them?

Robert61's picture

Having newer cars pay higher

Having newer cars pay higher taxes to maintain roads is silly. Thos newer vehicles do less damage to the roads, create less envoronmental problems and simply, are better for us to drive, yet we punish people for buying them. The older cars are frequently leaking fluids, spuming fumes and simply not as efficient and cause more damage to our raods and environment.
There is also no evidence that property taxes would raise because of this, it will all boil down to what each local government wants to do, raise taxes or make changes in the way they do business - notice I did not say cut services.

exoggensani's picture

Property taxes will increase

Property taxes will increase because where would the funding come to pay for sanding and salting the roads in the winter? The money has to come from some where... you need to maintain those roads.

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