It's truly unfortunate how many people are confused about Question 1 to be voted on in November.
Essentially, it is about redefining marriage. Think about it. How can the Maine Legislature vote such a law without bringing this to the people. Fortunately, signatures were obtained and as a result, we all now have the opportunity to vote on this important issue. Hopefully, Maine people will understand the pitfalls of allowing this legislation to prevail.
They need only to look at what has occurred in Massachusetts because of such a law.
Many parents are torn on this question because their children have adopted the gay lifestyle. They support their children because they do not want to lose them. Instead of seeing this behavior as a disordered lifestyle, they accept the lie that their children are born "gay." This is largely not so.
I believe it is, unfortunately, mainly a learned behavior. During adolescence they associate with those who are living that way and adopt that practice. It is a critical time in their lives and they need to surround themselves with upright Christians who are strong role models who can direct them in good moral behavior.
What is more important here? Supporting their children in the consequences of the prevailing homosexual culture of today or standing up for the truth of what it is: a disordered, sinful lifestyle?
Do not parents need to practice tough love?
Help is out there from a group known as "Courage."
Mary M. Roy, Lewiston
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Courage? Courage? Don't you mean Cowardice?
It takes courage to stand up to such ignorant people like you. It takes courage to fight for rights despite all the anomosity. It takes courage to be who are.
Someday people who think like you are going to be extinct. Think about it. You are outnumbered.
Wake Up America. A new generation has been born and is coming of age.
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Mary,
Where have you been living? Under a rock? Listen if this is the world that you choose to live in then join a convent or simply stay at home and only come out to get food and supplies, and yes, of course, to get food.
Why would I choose to be gay and spend my entire life listening to such garbage like you spewed in you commentary.
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You life should really be confined to church and your home. Perhaps you should move to another country where people are forced "on pain of death" to live by one government chosen religion. Perhaps Iran would be a perfect place for you. Need money to purchase a ticket?
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I like those 33 rights. Legit as they maybe (and can be through a re-defined civil union). I say lets have a little fun with a few em'. Here we go folks:
3. The right to custody of children after divorce. (marriage rights to get divorce rights? does the turkey baster have a say on the childs welfare?)
4. Visitation rights for nonbiological children. (another right that proves the marriage didn't work out)
8. Domestic violence intervention. (Hey, I love you..smack smack)
11. Ability to live in neighborhoods deemed "families only." (WTF, never heard of these, do they have "Families Only" water fountains to drink out of?)
16. Right to shared property, child support and alimony after divorce. (There's only one biological parent here folks, wait and see how this one pans out)
17. Ability to file joint home and auto insurance policies. (Holy crap, the Geico money stack is licking his chops at this one)
21. Ability to file joint tax returns. (If your gay, and rich/middle class, welcome to the club)
23. Veterans' discounts based on spouse's armed forces status. (Don't ask, don't tell, don't get a discount)
25. Ability to file joint bankruptcy. (Nice!)
26. Ability to collect unemployment benefits after leaving a job to relocate because of spouse's job move. (Allowing another leech on society)
32. Access to reduced-rate memberships at health clubs, social clubs, and other organizations. (Oooooo, this one should be #1 on the list)
33. Prison visitation rights. (Prision with members of same sex...it's like a man being put in a womans prison, helllllloooooo Dolly!)
Okay, you can hate me now.....I deserve it.
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Just Curious Mrs. McG. Why did you choose to leave Maine?? According to your profile you are a "Native Mainer now living "away."
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The only reason I left Maine was because of my husband's job. We hope to live there again some day, and raise our children there because that's where all of my family live. But I cannot in good conscience do that if Maine allows gay "marriage."
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Well good bye and good riddence. We do NOT need such small mind, bigoted people iin this state. We already have enough of them.
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Bigoted people hate homosexuals. I assure you, Tron, that I have no such hatred in my heart for persons with same-sex attraction - not at all. I have family and close friends who are same-sex attracted. That does not change my opinion of them or my love for them. I also have many friends who do not share my view on the legalization same-sex marriages. That does not change my love or my care for them. You and your cronies have been the ones who throughout these comment sections have been spewing hateful words and name calling to anyone who would disagree with your view.
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Just curious Mary... What if you were diagnosed with an illness and needed surgery and the most qualified surgeon was a homosexual? What if you needed a blood transfusion and the only blood available was that from a lesbian? Would you choose to accept their assistance and live or refuse it and die?
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"Civil Unions will not lead to us wanting gay marriage". Remember those words?
What will be the next demand after gay marriage passes? Can any one of you enlightened savants tell me?
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Banning Pirates! ;-)
Just kidding! LOL!
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Mrs. Roy, Homosexuality is not a learned behavior. If it were the multitudes of children sexually abused for years by catholic and other religious denominations leaders would be homosexual. In your misguided rational what better lesson would there be than the forced participation of a sexual act with a person of the same sex. Your arguments and those of the church are null and void completely on the basis of the decades of lies and hidden crimes of the church. All validity is gone when leaders of a faith place their most vulnerable members at repeated risk for abuse and exploitation. The recent response from the Catholic Church as all too late and action has only been taken becuase the worldwide publicity no longer allows them to lie and hide it. It continues to amaze me that there are any followers left in the catholic church-amazing forgiveness indeed! Perhaps that forgiveness and Christian charity could be extended to 2 consenting adults who wish to commit their lives to each other in a legally binding marriage. People are growing tired of the hypocrisy as shown in the declining memberships to the Catholic Church in the developed world, a trend that is sure to continue into the next decade. Surely you can find some other bible passages to focus on, there are hundreds of passages for you to cling to that would allow you to irrationally judge and condemn others.
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I hope, then, you wouldn't send any of your children to public schools, because the leadership in the public school system has done exactly the same thing with regard to hiding child sexual abuse and re-assigning teachers. But this was not a story the secular news media had an interest in breaking. The world is far more interested in having a great, big multi-purpose stick that can be whipped out to beat the Catholic Church when any issue of disagreement with the morality the Catholic Church officially upholds arises - gay marriage is just one issue.
Furthermore, the truth is the truth whether or not there have been sinners comitting grave scandal in prominent roles within the Catholic Church or any other Christian church. The truth is not determined by the number of people who adhere to it or can clearly articulate it, in or outside the Catholic Church.
Gay "marriage" is not a sectarian or biblical issue. This is an issue of natural law morality and the common good. It is also an issue which concerns whether or not those whose morality eschews homosexual activity will be forced forever to remain publicly silent and have acceptance of what is reprehensible to them imposed upon them and their children.
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Gosh you actually gave me a chuckle, thanks! Natural law morality? How absolutely silly. Do you really think the rest of the world cares what you find reprehensible? Live your life as you wish and leave others to live as they choose. This issue is not about what you find reprehensible it is about giving equal acces to state and federal benefits to homosexual couples/families that heterosexual couples/families have. Benefits that should be accessible to all tax payers. Like somehow your entitled to something more because you are heterosexual? Sounds stangely familiar to every argument ever used through cival rights history. We need folks like to continue spewing such ridiculousness-it certainly helps drive home the NO on on message!
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I'm silly because you've never heard of, or maybe just don't acknowledge the natural moral law? Hmm, maybe it's just because you're so much brighter than Plato, Socrates and Aristotle. Look, you can choose to live in a manner that is contrary to the natural law, but you will also reap the natural consequences of having done so. That is your business.
Anyway, if we as a society have to acknowledge the legal fiction of "gay marriage," it will affect all of us. Those with children in the public school systems will be forced to discuss topics with their children they may feel they are entirely too young to grasp. Multi-culturalism now sees to it that textbooks include pictures of every minority and gender. That's perfectly fine and reasonable. However, textbooks with "family images" will now certainly do the same with "families" of those in a same-sex "marriage." That's really not respectful or tolerant of divergent viewpoints, is it?
Business owners who are morally opposed to gay marriage on religious or other moral grounds will be forced to spend more money to cover the health insurance of homosexual partners. Homeowners living in the same building with single-unit apartments will be forced to rent to same-sex families. So, a homeowner has to tolerate a highly visible situation he finds morally objectionable in his own home, or just forget about renting out his apartment.
This is different from every other civil rights issue throughout history in that this is not a question of who a person is by birth, but what activity he chooses of his own free will. I disagree with the writer of the letter above. I do not think that persons with same-sex attraction choose to be attracted to the same sex. However, it is within the realm of a person's free choice as to whether or not they act on objectively disordered inclinations. The alcoholic may be genetically predispositioned to drink, however, the choice lies with him as to whether or not he, particularly if he knows he has an addiction prone disposition, will choose to begin drinking.
As for everyone deserving love, that's absolutely true. But it is not true that persons, even heterosexual persons, are free to seek love wherever they find it and contract a marriage. A man may love more than one woman. A man may love a married woman. But these men are not free to marry in these situations.
Marriage is something specific, for a specific purpose, not just a religious purpose but a civic purpose. Gay marriage does not fulfill this purpose nor does it assist the stability of society. That said, neither do divorce and remarriage or co-habitation or promiscuity assist in building cultural stability within society. Yes, heterosexual couples are every bit as guilty, and moreso, for destroying the traditional family.
It is specious reasoning to say I'm entitled to "more benefits" than people with same-sex attraction simply because I am attracted to the opposite sex. That's just ridiculous. Society allows priviledges to married couples not because of sexual orientation, but because heterosexual couples are also naturally tasked by the nature of true marriage with the duties of bringing up a family (or assisting other families if a couple is sterile) and creating a stable society. Unfortunately, heterosexuals have already done a fabulous job eroding the foundation of a stable society and have, thereby, opened up the notion that homosexual marriage is reasonable. All the same, further erosion must be resisted if simply for the sake of not imposing one's immorality on others.
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Unbelievable!
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Shellby, this issue has never come up before in Maine.
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Actually that doesn't matter. They've repeated this falsehood so often they BELIEVE it's the truth and NOTHING anyone says to them will get them to change their minds.
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Truth does not allow one to change one's mind; it is accepted, rejected, or distorted, but it remains truth. It is an inalterable law of the universe. And, no, truth is not what one perceives it to be. That is a major flaw in liberal logic.
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The truth is marriage equality has NEVER been put up for referendum in Maine. Believe it or not!
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Great Letter Mary!!!!
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We have a representative form of government. You know a Republic. "How can the Maine Legislature vote such a law without bringing this to the people." This is no argument in favor of Question 1. The "people" have no right to vote on a matter of rights. They didn't vote on the Bill of Rights. Why should they vote on marriage equality.
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Let's be clear on the issue to be decided Nov 3rd on Question 1. The Question voids a law passed by the legislature and signed by the governor that grants to any two persons the opportunity to be married should they meet current requirements. It redefines marriage in the same sense that the Loving decision of the SCOTUS redefines Marriage. It means that those partners who now can not get married will enjoy the same rights and benefits that those who now can get married enjoyed.
So far and confirmed by the leader of the opposition to marriage equality Rev. Emrich last night on channel 5, no argument has been advanced by opponents of marriage equality to overturn this perfectly constitutional law. Lacking any reason acceptable to the people they have made up a series of lies to first mislead people but really just to provide an excuse so they can vent their hatred of gays and lesbians on Nov 3rd.
Vote NO on 1 Nov 3rd
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Thank you, Rex, for posting this:
Good morning, Committee. My name is Phillip Spooner and I live at 5 Graham Street in Biddeford. I am 86 years old and a lifetime Republican and an active VFW chaplain. I still serve three hospitals and two nursing homes and I also serve Meals on Wheels for 28 years. My wife of 54 years, Jenny, died in 1997. Together we had four children, including the one gay son. All four of our boys were in the service. I was born on a potato farm north of Caribou and Perham, where I was raised to believe that all men are created equal and I've never forgotten that. I served in the U.S. Army, 1942-1945, in the First Army, as a medic and an ambulance driver. I worked with every outfit over there, including Patton's Third Army. I saw action in all five major battles in Europe, and including the Battle of the Bulge. My unit was awarded Presidential Citations for transporting more patients with fewer accidents than any other [inaudible] I was in the liberation of Paris. After the war I carried POW's back from Poland, Hungary, and Yugoslavia, and also hauled hundreds of injured Germans back to Germany.
I am here today because of a conversation I had last June when I was voting. A woman at my polling place asked me, "Do you believe in equal, equality for gay and lesbian people?" I was pretty surprised to be asked a question like that. It made no sense to me. Finally I asked her, "What do you think our boys fought for at Omaha Beach?" I haven't seen much, so much blood and guts, so much suffering, much sacrifice. For what? For freedom and equality. These are the values that give America a great nation, one worth dying for.
I give talks to eighth grade teachers about World War II, and I don't tell them about the horror. Maybe [inaudible] ovens of Buchenwald and Dachau. I've seen with my own eyes the consequences of caste systems and it make some people less than others, or second class. Never again. We must have equal rights for everyone. It's what this country was started for. It takes all kinds of people to make a world war. It does make no sense that some people who love each other can marry and others can't just because of who they are. This is what we fought for in World War II. That idea that we can be different and still be equal.
My wife and I did not raise four sons with the idea that three of them would have a certain set of rights, but our gay child would be left out. We raised them all to be hard-working, proud, and loyal Americans and they all did good. I think it's too bad [inaudible] want to get married, they should be able to. Everybody's supposed to be equal in equality in this country. Let gay people have the right to marry. Thank you
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Mr. Spooner. Thank you for your service and total understanding of freedom and equality. You're a good man.
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gdls, as I stated, they are my thoughts, you have yours--that's how i FEEL--you were the one who chose caps first--just screaming back at you--thanks for making me glad I got all that off my chest though--I feel much better-what about you?
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Shelby, you hit it right on the head. They same people who critque, (and use as the very basis of their angst), Christians, or any of faith, are the first to throw stones. They cry bigotry and hurl all sorts of insults. They need to look in the mirror and practice what they preach. Stop judging all of faith from the handful out of millions that are a bad example. You call all christians bigots and idiots from the few who are yet preach to me that not all muslims want death to the infidle???? Why dont you also practice what you preach and look into these rwligions you critique so badly with an open mind (that you would preach to me) and then make your opinions. Dont do what most of you do and pick and choose then bastardize quotes from the Bible and run with it. Dont preach accecptance and continue to make laws that restrict how I celebrate my beliefs...Is a cross that offensive? Does it cause such diress that it needs to be taken down? So janet jackson can reviel a breast on national tv, I get told to relax and just turn the channel...... but I cant have a nativity scene? I cant say Merry Christmass???? Look in the mirror and realize you are inflicting the same kind of behavior that you wish to make a law to prevent.
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I have stated my case before. I don't hate homosexuals--I just feel at this point in time, and for all the times this issue has come up for vote, it hasn't gone through. I consider myself a Christian, and my children were brought up in the church, but I do not attend church anymore for the express reason of the duplicity that resided in the church I attended. Pastors and Deacons, and other members of the congregation saying one thing on the pulpit and living a very different life during the week. I use my Christianity as my moral compass, and no matter what, am thankful I have it. I (me, not you) feel that Civil Unions are just as useful and serve the same purpose. If you are concerned that your wishes will not be served upon illness or death, get a will and keep it with your lawyer. I speak also as the sister of a homosexual. He himself has stated he doesn't see what all the fight is about. How he lives his life, and who he lives it with is his own business, and after having two long term partners in his life, he would be happy to have a partnership, or civil union, and wonders why calling it a marriage would make it any more formal, loving, or permanent.
I think what hurts me the most in all of this argument is the way people of faith are being mocked. I am trying to not be hurtful, and find myself choosing my words carefully, yet you mock my God, and the book that gives me (again, me, not you) faith and peace. I resent it, and wonder why to get your point across you make a joke of my faith. These are the reasons I question the end results of this election. If people are so hateful now, trying to get their way, how will it be once they get their way. You cannot tell me I have no reason to be fearful, the proof is in all these hateful, hurtful letters.
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Shellby, you wrote: " I (me, not you) feel that Civil Unions are just as useful and serve the same purpose..." You can FEEL this way all you want, but you are incorrect: civil unions are NOT just as useful; they lack over 1000 benefits granted by civil marriage, and civil unions do not have to be recognized by other states.
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Shellby, please read the following: (Thank you, Triumph for once again posting these.)
For the upteenth time, to those who may be deaf to equality, here are some of over 1,100 rights denied same gender couples. 1.Access to social security after a spouse's death.
2. Access to health insurance through a spouse's workplace.
3. The right to custody of children after divorce.
4. Visitation rights for nonbiological children.
5. Joint parenting rights such as access to children's school records.
6. Bereavement leave after the death of a spouse.
7. Burial determination after the death of a spouse.
8. Domestic violence intervention.
9. Sick leave to care for a spouse or nonbiological child.
10. Legal validation of a long-term relationship.
11. Ability to live in neighborhoods deemed "families only."
12. Access to life insurance in a spouse’s workplace.
13. Access to survivor benefits in case of emergency.
14. Access to spouse’s benefits in case of emergency.
15. Ability to file wrongful death claims.
16. Right to shared property, child support and alimony after divorce.
17. Ability to file joint home and auto insurance policies.
18. Joint rental leases with automatic renewal rights if spouse dies or leaves.
19. Automatic inheritance of retirement savings tax free after spouse's death.
20. Automatic exemption of property tax increases on shared assets gained after spouse’s death.
21. Ability to file joint tax returns.
22. Access to tax breaks for married couples.
23. Veterans' discounts based on spouse's armed forces status.
24. Assumption of spouse's pension after death.
25. Ability to file joint bankruptcy.
26. Ability to collect unemployment benefits after leaving a job to relocate because of spouse's job move.
27. Ability to transfer property from one spouse to another without transfer tax consequences.
28. Access to fostering children.
29. Automatic next of kin status for emergency medical decisions and hospital visitation status.
30. Immigration and residency priority for spouses from other countries.
31. Ability to invoke spousal privilege in a court of law.
32. Access to reduced-rate memberships at health clubs, social clubs, and other organizations.
33. Prison visitation rights.
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You are just proving the hate in your heart and the lies that goes with it.
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Most of this issue is about redefining marriage. Homosexuals have just as much rights as us and would like more. Give me a break, you live your life the way you want and we will live ours. I'm voting YES on #1, it's the only way to go.
Name calling is quite childish. God bless us all.
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jojo what you say is an outright lie. "Homosexuals have just as much rights as us and would like more."
For the upteenth time, to those who may be deaf to equality, here are some of over 1,100 rights denied same gender couples. 1.Access to social security after a spouse's death.
2. Access to health insurance through a spouse's workplace.
3. The right to custody of children after divorce.
4. Visitation rights for nonbiological children.
5. Joint parenting rights such as access to children's school records.
6. Bereavement leave after the death of a spouse.
7. Burial determination after the death of a spouse.
8. Domestic violence intervention.
9. Sick leave to care for a spouse or nonbiological child.
10. Legal validation of a long-term relationship.
11. Ability to live in neighborhoods deemed "families only."
12. Access to life insurance in a spouse’s workplace.
13. Access to survivor benefits in case of emergency.
14. Access to spouse’s benefits in case of emergency.
15. Ability to file wrongful death claims.
16. Right to shared property, child support and alimony after divorce.
17. Ability to file joint home and auto insurance policies.
18. Joint rental leases with automatic renewal rights if spouse dies or leaves.
19. Automatic inheritance of retirement savings tax free after spouse's death.
20. Automatic exemption of property tax increases on shared assets gained after spouse’s death.
21. Ability to file joint tax returns.
22. Access to tax breaks for married couples.
23. Veterans' discounts based on spouse's armed forces status.
24. Assumption of spouse's pension after death.
25. Ability to file joint bankruptcy.
26. Ability to collect unemployment benefits after leaving a job to relocate because of spouse's job move.
27. Ability to transfer property from one spouse to another without transfer tax consequences.
28. Access to fostering children.
29. Automatic next of kin status for emergency medical decisions and hospital visitation status.
30. Immigration and residency priority for spouses from other countries.
31. Ability to invoke spousal privilege in a court of law.
32. Access to reduced-rate memberships at health clubs, social clubs, and other organizations.
33. Prison visitation rights.
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jojolou writes: "... you live your life the way you want and we will live ours..." This is exactly what No On 1 is trying to accomplish. Because gays and lesbians DO NOT have the same rights as everyone else, this law is about allowing them to live the way they want --- having the SAME benefits of civil marriage that heterosexuals have. You can retain all your marriage benefits, while gays and lesbians can finally be granted theirs. You can continue to live your life unhampered by marriage equality.
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Mary;.
Do you really think that Gay people choose to be gay? At some point in childhood, they think to themselves,"I wanna be gay when I grow up. I want ignorant, hateful people full of irrational fears to use me as a target for their own shortcomings." Really?
It makes as much sense as saying black people must also choose to be black, handicapped babies choose their infirmities, and so forth. Very few people choose to subject themselves to such a hard life.
Religion is a choice (usually not a very good one, as history teaches us), and so is mindlessly following the words of others.
If you do not like homosexuality, then don't have sex with a gay person of your own gender. Otherwise, butt out of other people's lives. You obviously do not have enough information to have any business telling others how to live. If you think that the upright Christians have a moral lifestyle, you really need to re-examine society. Being a Christian has been no impediment to divorce, cheating, lying, murder and yes even homosexuality, (if you wish to continue to think of it as a moral issue) for thousands of people. In terms of moral behavior, Christians are no better than any other segment of society. In terms of hypocrisy, probably worse.
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Wow, you Vote No people really make me want to be on your team. So full of love, and desire to just make peace. These are the comments that will make me vote Yes. If this is how it is now, I hate to think of how things will be when it passes. As I have said before, you would help your cause more if you just kept quiet. These comments weren't that difficult to find, are just a few--there are tons more--again I have taken the bait and responded, when I have said I will respond in the election--have a nice day
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Mary - you're a hateful bigot.
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Wow looky here another letter from a bigoted ahole. Making Maine proud.....riumph says new
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I read the bible once. Too much sex and violence.
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triumph says new
maddad, don't flatter yourself. No one gives a crap about YOUR acceptance.
gdls1 says new
Your god does not run this country; the people do.
Paris Patriot says
I just read down through the comments and am shaking my head at the typical buffoonery of the overly religious.
Have any of you morons read the actual same-sex marriage law here in Maine? I bet you haven't.
gdls1 says
This is another fact that gets ignored by the homphobic religious zealots.tron's picture
tron says
I gotta commend you for using your name and address. Most of the bigots that voice your opinion hide behind alias.'
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Why didn't you post the Yes On 1 vitriol?
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This entire letter is pathetic, but the line that reeks of true ignorance is this:
" During adolescence they associate with those who are living that way and adopt that practice." If only! I'm willing to bet that there's not a gay/lesbian soul in this world who could say "Oh, yes, that was my experience!" Most gay people I know felt completely alone during their teen years.
There's nothing you can say to someone like Mary M. Roy that will change her way of thinking. She has chosen to lock herself in a dark closet of ignorance. (And she probably swallowed the key.)
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Mary- What are your credentials? Where do you base your claims? You need to get your head out of the sand and quick judging. You need to leave that to the man upstairs. How hateful?!
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Mary, what you call "courage" is merely denial of an addiction..."the family drunk," as Dr. Robert Minor calls it. Check it out yourself: http://www.fairnessproject.org/downloads/Bob%20Minor%20Ixa.mp3
"Religion has the same function as alcohol for some people, causing them to do irrational thinking, the "high" of righteousness, and is the same high as cocaine." His book addressing this is "When Religion is an Addiction." "To a religious addict, these victories at the polls are like New Year's Eve to an alcoholic."
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