What terrible thing has the church done?

The Roman Catholic Church, in general, and Bishop Richard Malone, in particular, have been verbally abused, vilified, and denounced during the Question 1 campaign.

What terrible thing have they done? They have asserted that marriage is an institution established and based upon the principle of a union of one man and one woman, and that such an institution is essential to a healthy society and should be defended and maintained.

Is this a new idea? The same-sex marriage advocates and their media allies have managed to recast this campaign as an effort by religious leaders to take away the equal legal rights of persons of the same sex to marry in Maine. But same-sex marriage is not now, and has never been, ever, the law in Maine. After 400 years in which marriage between one man and one woman has been unchallenged, the Maine legislature proposed to change the law in 2009. On Nov. 3, the voters will decide whether the law will be changed to allow, for the first time in Maine, same-sex marriage.

As of the year 2000, there was not a single country, anywhere in the world, and not a single U.S. state, that recognized same-sex marriage. There are now six countries, representing fewer than two percent of the planet's population, that allow same-sex marriage; 98 percent of all people live in countries that do not.

Today, in this country, 45 states, with 95 percent of the population, do not recognize marriages between persons of the same sex. Yet, the Catholic Church and its bishop are attacked mercilessly for defending this universal principle.

What would one expect a Catholic bishop to fight for? Excise taxes? School consolidation?

In 1999 and 2000, the Roman Catholic diocese spent months working with advocates for gay rights and negotiated a mutually acceptable bill prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation in employment, housing, and credit, that was jointly submitted to the legislature, passed, but rejected by the voters. The church has fought against invidious discrimination and worked for ensuring all people are treated with respect and dignity. The church has supported laws guaranteeing health insurance benefits and other rights for "domestic partners." But, the church views marriage as something much greater than a contract or collection of legal rights, and it is obligated to speak up and defend the institution regardless of the consequences.

In 1995 and 2000, during debates on proposed laws to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation in Maine, some opponents (who attacked the Catholic Church and its bishop for supporting gay rights) argued that it would lead to same-sex marriage. Those arguments were dismissed as silly, and the opponents were personally ridiculed by the same advocates and their media allies who now are pushing for same-sex marriage.

If a homosexual person has a right to marry someone of the same sex in order to be happy and equal, what about a bisexual person? It would be unfair to force bisexual persons to choose a spouse of one gender, so the law must be changed to allow them to have two spouses.

But why stop there? Many individuals cannot be truly happy married to only one person, when they love two or three. If we abandon the principles on which societies have based marriage for more than 2000 years, what reason would there be to stop at this or to prohibit polygamy? Is anyone really surprised that the church and its bishop would raise these issues and stand up for marriage?

Michael Poulin, of Lewiston, is a lay member of the Public Policy Committee of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland.

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FeloPrergoHok's picture

To Ares - who stated: So

To Ares - who stated: So funny to see Sammie talking about what the "USA once was". The USA once was a place to escape religious persecution and prosecution, where religion would play no role in a person's daily life unless they wanted it to, a place where religion did not figure into the law making of the land. Before you post or print or litter the discussion with comment make sure your asserions are based on facts not wishful thinking or the misrepresented commentary of the uninformed and out of touch.

Your revisionist history is a travesty and a joke. The records are clear that the USA was founded on Christian principles. Almost every founding father of this great nation was a committed Christian. This country was founded by people who came to worship freely not to escape religion. It is truly sad that our country has deterioated so much. You my friend are a lost soul. Read and study the Word of God and the truth will set you free. Quit cherry-picking and showing such abject ignorance.
In PSALMS it states - "you (God) magnifies your WORD above your very name."

You and your liked-minded haters (like the Roman Empire that was perhaps the most powerful every - lasted 1500 years and tried to stamp out Christianity) can do all you want to the end of time but God will prevail.
LOVE IN CHRIST, Sammie

Ares's picture

Ooo, that stings... Sammie,

Ooo, that stings...

Sammie, same sex marriage is not a question of religion it is a question of law. Religion has no place in law or government and contrary to your claim that the "USA was founded on Christian principles", Christianity was more often rejected as a building block for our Country. This is not to say that Christianity had not place to the contrary it played a vital role in the earliest settlement of this Country but not in the founding of what we now call The United States of America. History is the key to this argument not religion. You continue to talk about the laws of Christianity which are far removed and were intended to be far removed from the government and laws of this Country.

Here are some pretty indisputed facts...the Declaration of Independence does not once mention or reference Jesus Christ nor Christianity.

"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation".

The reference to "of nature's God entitle them" is generally accepted by scholars to be a Deist point of view not a Christian point of view.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed".

Again, generally the reference to "their Creator" is accepted as a Deist reference and not a Christian reference.

The lack of any reference to Christianity and religion of any kind leads me to believe that the founding farthers intended and believed that Christianity and religion as a whole had no place in government. I don't belive the founding fathers intended to exclude religion from our Country just from our law making decisions.

The Constitution of the United States also makes no reference to Christianity or God. The word God or Jesus or Creator show up nowhere in the Constituion. You would think a nation built on "Christian principles" would have featured religion in the two most important texts relating to it's creation, existance and sustaining laws. But, neither do. The constitution seems to spell out that religion has no business in government or law except that government stay out or religion and religion stay out of government. Here from the Constitution of The United States of America

Article 6
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States".

I take this to mean that religion, Christian or otherwise has no place in determining who leads the Country and as an extension no religious moral value shall be used to determine the government.

Some supporty materials regarding the attitudes of religion in the formation out the US of A.

Are you familiar with The Treaty of Peace and Friendship ratified by the United States Congress and singed into law in 1797 by the second President of the United States John Adams contains these words in article 11 of the Treaty.

ARTICLE 11.
"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries".

Here is a quote from James Madison 4th president of the US of A, father of the Constitution and slave owner.
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

Here is a quote from Thomas Jefferson 3rd president of the US of A and slave owner
"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
all over the earth."

Thomas Paine-Patriot
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."

Let's not pretend that our founding father's were church going Christians that walked in the shadow of God. They were slave owners, they were philanderers, they were law breakers, they were theives but above all and most important they were human beings. Full of hypocrisy, idealism, faults, love and the whole range human emotion and beliefs.

Thomas Jefferson-author of the Declaration of Independence. Though raised in and Episcopalian/Anglican household most experts agree he was a Deist and there is evidence that he may have actually been an atheist. The D of I mentions the word God one time and it is generally accepted that the mention reflects a Deist point of view. I tend to believe that Jefferson was a free thinker free from the bondage of any religion Christian or otherwise. He adopted the very Christian principle of owning over 150 slaves.

George Washington was a member of the Episcopal church though he was not a dedicated member of the church. It is believed that he never took communion so he was not considered a full fledged adult member of the church. It is generally accepted that Washington was a Deist and has been pegged in many circles as a non-Christian. Also a slave owner.

John Adams-Unitarian and most often described as a liberal Unitarian, not exaclty a heavy Christian adherance going on here. There may be more non-christians identying themselves as Unitarians than Christians.

Benjamin Franklin-grew up Episcopalian but as an adult identified as a Deist.

James Madison-Episcopalian on paper Deist in practice.

The reality is that nearly 50 percent of our founding fathers were Episcopalian on paper but were Deists in practice. As a scholar of Christiantiy you surely know that Deists are Desits because the found themselves wanting to belive in a single God, refuse the idea of the trinity and could not and can not accept, belive or follow what they belive to be the absurdity in much of the Christian doctrine and Church. Though both belive in God. Christianity is based on the worshiping Jesus Christ. Deists worship God and god alone.

Your assertion that the Roman Empire tried to stamp out Christianity is missing the part where they adopt Christianty as the official religion. There were certainly those who were not fans of Christianity. Christianity went through a few hundred years of being tolerated, persecuted and favored by various Roman governments. And 300 years after the crucifiction of Christ it is the Roman Empire that adopts Christianity as it's official religion creating an atmosphere of worldwide (of the known world at the time) reinforcement and growth.

Your comment regarding "cherry picking" is amusing because the cherry picking is exactly what opponents of same sex marriage do regularly and I agree, so do those who favor same sex marriage.

There are facts that can not be disputed. Christianity in this country is in decline. Why? Is it because the old die and are not replaced by the young as is necessary to grow any organization or is it that Christians are leaving the faith? I don't know. I tend to believe it is a bit of both. The inability of the church to recruit new members due to it's many exclusionary practices, that also drive the faithful towards other practices or away from religion completely.

The truth is the bible can be quoted from now untilt the end of time it doesn't make it true. Christianty is a religion and by definition a religion is a belief, not a fact. From the oldest organized religion, Hindu, to a newer religions like Christianity or Islam the foundations lie in the belief in something unseen, something super natural, something believed to exist.

What I believe is, I do not have the right to tell another consenting adult that they are not entilted to love another consenting adult of the same sex and to have that love recognized as equal to that of the love of a woman who loves a man. If god exists as he is described then to the best of my knowledge it is up to god to cast judgement, not me, nor you, nor any other living being.

FeloPrergoHok's picture

Interesting that you

Interesting that you denigrate the holy-inspired Word of God o ye of little knowledge and much ignorance. Some facts to consider as you pompously spout off about something you probably have never studied . . . THE BIBLE:
1. The best selling book of all time and currently is the best selling book by far.
2. Despite almost 2,000 years of attempts to destroy the WORD it not only survives but proliferates exponentially.
3. The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered when? - the 1950s - original manuscripts.
4. There is 500 times more proof of the historocity of Jesus Christ walking the earth than of Julius Ceasar walking the earth yet you never hear Ceasar being questioned.
5. I could go on and on but will end with Jesus' comments paraphrased: The world (you nonbelievers) will hate you because they hate me!

You "the world" are against the teachings of Jesus and the Holy World - thus you hate Him and you hate His followers.

onlyyaya's picture

I do do not promote multiple

I do do not promote multiple marriages but need to point out that Solomon had 1000 wives and concubines, Moses married outside of his faith , and David was an adulterer and murderer who stated that he loved a man with the love that surpasses that of a woman.. Christ said it was better to marry than to burn with lust. Perhaps if priests were allowed to marry one person, They would not" burn "with lust and Catholics would not abandon their faith in droves.

Ares's picture

Ah the bible, what a great

Ah the bible, what a great book of stories and tall tales. Look around catholic friends, fewer young people know the stories of the bible than do the stories of Harry Potter. You have only yourselves to blame. It is because the Catholic Church has alienated so many. The Catholic Church has become a dysfunctional array of splinter groups. I have said this before and I will say it again The Catholic Church is a franchise business and it is becoming very obvious that the franchise is in big trouble with a dwindling customer base, franchise closings and a marketing campaign that is relying on a outdated schemes and ideas. If The Catholic Church wants to survive it needs to EVOLVE. The Church needs to be inclusive not exclusive, it needs to grow its base; it needs to love all men not just the ones that drop money into the basket on Sunday. Quoting the bible, though very in vogue has little meaning to most of us.

Why do Catholics continue to think that they have the right or responsibility to tell anyone anywhere who to love or how to live? Here are a couple of bible quotes for Joe...

Matthew
7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

(7:3-4) "A beam is in thine own eye"
Avoid hypocrisy. Consider your own faults rather than criticizing others.

Luke 6:37
"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned, forgive, and ye shall be forgiven."

The bible is riddled with contradiction and hypocrisy it stands to reason that the people who hide behind it or attempt to use it to control others or dictate how others live are riddled with contradiction and hypocrisy. For those people here is a quote from that very wise black man "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do".

So funny to see Sammie talking about what the "USA once was". The USA once was a place to escape religious persecution and prosecution, where religion would play no role in a person's daily life unless they wanted it to, a place where religion did not figure into the law making of the land. Before you post or print or litter the discussion with comment make sure your asserions are based on facts not wishful thinking or the misrepresented commentary of the uninformed and out of touch.

logoposition's picture

Arse said - "Why do

Arse said - "Why do Catholics continue to think that they have the right or responsibility to tell anyone anywhere who to love or how to live?"

Because we love you. Because we don't want anyone to live a self-destructive lifestyle. Because we want you to be happy. Because we believe in heaven and we want you to go there too.

Although your distain for the bible and the Catholic Church is evident in your post, perhaps you could see through your anger and realize that because the Church believes as she does, she will tell you what she thinks is best for you. Is anyone else different who truly loves someone? Does a mother who loves her child say "go ahead and play in the street. It's your choice, I want to be inclusive." Does a man who cares for his buddy say "go ahead and drink and drive. I respect your choices." Do we teach our kids in school that smoking is the same as breathing fresh air? Do we tell them to take drugs if they are "oriented" to them? No we don't. and it's because we love them.

Even if you reject what the Church believes, you should respect the fact that the Church's motivation, as well as the motivation of all authentic Christians, is wanting what she believes is best for individuals as well as society. She is motivated by authentic love. The proof is how she is willing to be attacked and persecuted for those beliefs rather than become "inclusive" as you put it and focus her efforts on being liked. In this she followes the example of Jesus, who was crucified for speaking the truth.

Ares's picture

Devout, I don't have distain

Devout, I don't have distain for the catholic church or the bible, though I do question both and am skeptical of both. I view it like I view all legitamate religions, they serve to give those who otherwise may feel lost, direction; they provide a way to obsolve oneself of the wrongs they have committed; they allow groups to wrap bigotry in the cloak of religion and so on. I believe that all legitimate religion brings aspects, teachings and beliefs that are good for society as a whole, as well as bad.

I do have uneasy feelings about any one group of people through religion or otherwise that contend that their belief system is the only right answer. My uneasiness with all religion is not that it is willing to be attacked or persecuted for it's beliefs but that it is so comfortable with attacking and persecuting others in it's name.

I do so very much respect your right to believe what you choose to believe for yourself and yourself alone. I want to believe what I want to believe for myself and myself alone. It is each person's right to do so, until I believe it encroaches upon another's right to do the same.

I do have a small issue with your examples of what is right for you...all of your examples rely on science to prove they are detrimental to ones well being and saftey. Religion is still a belief not a science. I believe that Jesus was not crucified for speaking "The Truth" but rather he was cricified for speaking "His Truth". The ever expanding denominations under the umbrella of Christianity speaks quite loudly to the unrest and ever evolving "belief" that is Christianity.

Your reference to "authentic christians" is enough to infer that even you, devout as you may be, question the motive of some if not all sects of christianity that do not conform with your specific sect of christianity. It implies that you believe that your christian belief is the only "authentic belief", and you are entitled to that.

Christianity is a relative new religion in the history of the most practiced religions in the history of the world. I think it ranks 7th or 8th in rank of oldest religion when looking at the top 10 most practiced religions. It is of course the most practiced religion in the world and most probably because it is the most marketed religion in the world.

I am happy that you have found something that works for you in helping to maintain whatever it maintains in your life. Likewise, I am happy that I too have something in my life that helps me to maintain balance in my life. It just doesn't happen to be christianity. The same way I don't identify myself as a Liberal or a Conservative, a Republican or a Democrat or a Communist or whatever is in vogue. I consider myself a human being with the repsonsibility to be a good human being without bias or descrimination, without a belief that my way is better than your way. My way just works better for me, right now. Perhpas I will think differently at some later time in my life but for now it is what works for me.

gdls1's picture

Ah, an intelligent,

Ah, an intelligent, thoughtful and welcomed post. Thank you.

veritas's picture
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Evidently Michael Poulin and

Evidently Michael Poulin and the rest of the Catholic Diocese is so concerned with the 'Speck in the Eye' which Gay Marriage represents to them, that they think we bystanders are also not aware of the 'Log' which necessitated their recent closing down of five Catholic Churches.

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

John 28's picture

Micheal, The church has done

Micheal,
The church has done SO MUCH harm to it's faithful worshipper, that we are now split. I blame it all on that very hypocrit and hateful Irish bishop. While he is very confortable in his multi million dollar mansion, with the shortfall of $100,000 in the Prince of Peace Parish alone and spending church funds even more, by sending in another $156,000 to defeat the equal rights of ALL of GOD's Children. He should be extremely shameful of his action and will have to answer to the upper up on that one. Some priest I've talked to quietly reject his hatred, but are force by him to tell lies, like he has for so many years of brainwashing. That's whay he is so bad. Ship him out to Irland!!!

verified

Let us see how well we are

Let us see how well we are doing in keeping God and his commandments pure and clean within the United States; Leviticus 18: 22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination." Or as with Jude 17-19 "But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Thee be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit." We as Christians have had the danger markers in society and seeing what will bring about the end times and we continually ignore it. All the while it seems that the growing tide of militant energy is slowly wearing away at the very seems of Christianity. Again I have noticed several of those who vouch the Golden Rule Matthew 22: 39 "And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." And, again in Matthew 19: 4-6 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, for this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore GOD hath joined together, let not man put asunder." And, Matthew 5: 17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

This is from the KJV and it sickens me as a Baptist that so many fall away from GOD simply to fulfill their own passions, lusts, and desires. Is it correct then to have those emotions as a Christian toward the homosexual community and the newly formed gay agenda? Yes, that is what the scripture teaches and what many seek to avoid and look at how many civilizations have fallen into disarray? We have simply fallen into no longer believing what more can be said other then that true Christianity may have failed yet there are still Christians who believe in the word of GOD and see through the overpowering dimensions of those who mislead the public and probe to destroy what has been printed.

Joseph Ziehm
Lewiston, ME
"Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a master in heaven. Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;" Colossians 4: 1-2

FeloPrergoHok's picture

Well put Tulip. The Gay

Well put Tulip. The Gay Rights national effort is hinging much on the outcome of this vote. They have done a good job I must admit. Our children and young people are either quite confused or misled. I ask some of them about the statistics involving gays, i.e. promiscuity, exponential increases in diseases, gay marriage stats in countries that have established Gay Marriage, etc. and they haven't a clue.
When will it stop! They will not stop until any resemblance of what the USA once was is gone.
Let's not be the very first state in the union to vote in Gay Marriage.
Mainers are coming around realizing the wook has been pulled over their eyes on this issue.
Gays do not want just RIGHTS; they now want PRIVILEGES way beyond basic rights.
Please vote YES ON NUMBER ONE on Nov. 3rd.

LewistonNative...'s picture
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Hrmmm Sammie what about the

Hrmmm Sammie what about the stat in which 1 out of every 2 marriages end in a divorce? Wasn't marriage supose to be life long? I think the Catholics should worry more on bringing in people to their churches, worry about recent closing of 2 churches that had been around 100+ years and lastly worry about Priest sexually touching young BOYS. Seems to me those would be more pressing matters. Alas marriage is no longer a religious unity, but a government one. Last I checked if I want to be married I'd have to get a license from the COURT and I wouldn't need a Priest or Pastor to do the ceremony. Then again I'm just misled, as you so politely put it. Like the buttons say "Straight, but not narrow."

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"sammie what about the stat

"sammie what about the stat in which 1 out of every 2 marriages end up in divorce?" The parrot wants to know what that has to do with same sex marriage. Is one to conclude that allowing same sex marriage will reduce the divorce rate? And the Pirate says, unless one is a Catholic, he or she shouldn't really be concerning themselves with what the Catholic church ought to be "worrying" about. Same sex marriage and Catholic Church bashing just seem to go hand in hand don't they? You've perverted natural law and are trying to convince the rest of us that it's a civil rights issue. Fat chance of that. You think the Church is divided? Wait'll you see how divided the whole state of Maine is on this issue. It ain't over till the bearded lady does a double back flip and she hasn't even hit the stage yet.

LewistonNative...'s picture
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P.S. "Straight, but not

P.S. "Straight, but not narrow ." Means while I maybe straight I'm not narrow minded. FYI. Also, I'm Christian so what the Catholics do reflect negativity towards all Christians.

LewistonNative...'s picture
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Well parrot the Catholics

Well parrot the Catholics aren't gay so why should they worry about it? Just saying

news4u's picture

Pirate writes: "And the

Pirate writes: "And the Pirate says, unless one is a Catholic, he or she shouldn't really be concerning themselves with what the Catholic church ought to be "worrying" about."

When innocent children are being molested by pedophile priests it becomes everyone's worry!

nikita80's picture

Pirate, you and that bird

Pirate, you and that bird certainly come up with some thought provoking points!

John 28's picture

Ok Sammie, now just remove

Ok Sammie, now just remove the word marriage from your married life is you are, and call it civil union, THEN you will loose over 1,000 civil rights that you now have and deny the gays. VOTE 'NO' on 1 to be on Jesus loving side!!!

Scotty_O's picture

Michelle, prepare for a

Michelle, prepare for a barrage from the "lovin' left"

VeleNapse's picture

Excellent piece Michael.

Excellent piece Michael. Sometimes political issues are so important and fundamental (as with abortion and SSM) that it would be evil for Church leaders to not take an active role in speaking out.

With the greatest respect and deference, however, I have to mention that I believe the Catholic church should not have, even with the good faith it displayed, spent any time trying to assist "gay-rights" advocates in the past. I believe the Church was deceived into not taking an active role in opposing special rights legislation , which only served as a prelude to SSM, and much more to come.

Anyone who wants to see what the intellectual movers and shakers of the "gay-rights" movement have in mind for society should go to "beyondmarriage.org" and read the document- "Beyond Same-Sex Marriage".

gordonandpepper's picture

I went to the website

I went to the website "beyondmarriage.org" and read the document you suggested. I thought it proposed some good ideas.

nikita80's picture

Wow! I sincerely hope this

Wow! I sincerely hope this agenda is a hoax. If it's for real, it will be an "anything goes free-for-all" all around the globe. Multiple husbands, wives, or a mixture, throw out "congugal" and you've got legal incest, legalize sin and no one will be less spiritually worthy, illegal aliens will be legal, yup, legal and economic equality for all. No one will have to work because we will all qualify for all government programs. And God, Himself, had better not dare take a step outside of the church building. Maybe we can stick the conservative right in a rocket to outer space because they really won't have a place on this planet.

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