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Abuse of power

The Catholic Church is facing a dark time, with abandonment of the church or the faith by untold millions, ranking of celibate male patriarchy over availability of the Eucharist and pastoral services to hundreds of millions, and the loss of many millions to evangelical sects.

Maine church officials' empty, deceitful, abusive and bullying campaign against the Marriage Equality Act has made this the darkest hour for the Church in Maine — worse than the 1851 tarring and feathering of Fr. John Bapst on order of the Ellsworth Town Council.

The state properly provided same-sex couples the legal rights of heterosexual couples which only marriage assures. Heretofore, Catholic officials have never supported providing those rights, otherwise. So their only honest argument was that marriage has always been heterosexual.

The projection that the law leads to "teaching same-sex marriage" was a blatant appeal to homophobia. The claim that the Church required opposition to same-sex marriage was baseless; the Second Vatican Council affords primacy to informed conscience.

Command petition circulation, eight bulletin inserts, sermons, and a collection have abused and misused authority, angering and alienating those who resent introduction of bigotry into Sunday liturgies, coercion of freedom of conscience, and misuse of church funds.

Banning Pamella Starbird Beliveau as lector and Eucharistic minister for her conscientious exercise of her rights — as Catholic and citizen — was bullying and an abuse of power. (Not one bishop guilty of moving child abusers around banned himself from Mass roles.) It is intolerable.

William H. Slavick, Portland


Comments

devoutmainecatholic says

There is nothing quite so predictable as Catholic Church haters. Throughout the long history of the church, the attacks always follow the same pattern. Take half -truths, mix them up with a healthy dose of urban myths, impugn bad intention to every action, bake with vitriol, and serve to anyone who has a bone to pick with the Church's teachings - usually someone with a bad conscience.

This site is full of such people - "the pope is a former hitler youth who hates jews" "the church burned joan of arc" "the church protected pedophophiles" blah blah blah. All based on a misunderstanding of the what the Catholic Church is. All bunk. But anything will do if it justifies their opposition to the Catholic Church's teachings on sexuality and marriage!

The teachings of the Catholic Church on faith or morals has never changed and will never change. People are free to accept the Church's teachings or reject them. Those who knowingly and willfully reject them automatically excommunicate themselves. Is that such a surprise to anyone? To complain when public dissidents are removed from a position that no one has a right to is ridiculous. Faithful Catholics all over the state cheered when beliveau was removed. That needs to happen more. Such a person has no business receiving communion, much less assisting at the distribution of communion. To accuse the Church of acting in this regard out of a political concern is quite ridiculous. As are all the other charges leveled by this clearly ignorant and bitter, writer. Anyone who is privy to the effort the diocese has made over the years to placate the gay activists knows that all too well. It's just that with their assault on marriage, they finally pushed too far.

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Scotty_O says

Did the vote yes people shout "Allah Akbar" as they approached the voting booth? I think when the final vote was reported, the catholics went into the streets and fired their AK-47's in the air. Yup, were real wacky.

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veritas says

They probably said their Hail Mary's and Our Father's - and within an hour or so went into a washroom somewhere and passed some holy water.....

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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stangi says

Sorry for all you Catholic haters, but this Church will never die. Jesus said the the gates of hell shall never prevail against it. Bill Slavick has been doing Satan's work for decades, poisoning the minds of Catholics against their own faith, and thinking he is doing the right thing in the process. He'll never get his wish of seeing Catholicism changed to suit his fancies. The teachings of the Catholic Church are the teachings of Jesus and his apostles, and they will never be contradicted in a logical manner. They'll be contradicted in an emotional manner, over and over again, until Jesus comes again, but the Church will never fail. For those hoping for Catholicism's demise, be prepared to be disappointed until the day you die.

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veritas says

stangi writes:

"The teachings of the Catholic Church are the teachings of Jesus and his apostles, and they will never be contradicted "

- But if you wait long enough, the Church itself changes them for one reason or another. So are these 'teachings' really the original ones???

Like the Church first burning Joan of Arc as a heretic, then deciding she's a Saint.... What is it, Guys? Can you make your mind up about women who wear men's clothing, cut their hair short, and claim to hear the voice of God?

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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momof4 says

I heard the No on 1 supporters are petitioning to ban heterosexual marriage.

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rstonge says

Found this online, it was started in 2004.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/banhetero/

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John 28 says

What a great idea momof4. Where do I sign?

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Big Love says

_just follow your nose...You're searching for the fire and brimstone room. Or try Dante's second circle. _____________
"A liberal is a person with two perfectly good legs who develops bed sores while waiting for a conservative to carry her around."
Big Love

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John 28 says

ooooo, you sound exciting, want to do it?

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Scotty_O says

Depends, which bathroom do you use at Denny's?

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Arse69 says

The Catholic Church has stood up for Godly principals. I would rather see one Catholic Church full of true believers, than a hundred churches filled with people who want to get ther ears tickled with lies.

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news4u says

"The Catholic Church has stood up for Godly principals"

There is none so blind as he who will not see. So, continue to turn a blind eye.

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Bob67 says

new4u You are so right!

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joeziehmer says

Then you agree with those of the Jewish faith and other Christian sects being murdered to fulfill and bring the Catholic church into a mass operating mind control of religion? Which restricts the freedoms of speech which was so offered when the United States came into creation? You are stating true believers and many true believers would see other Christian sects and Jewish sects as heretical so get the spears and tying stakes ready. If that is how you feel then maybe a Neo-Nazi recruitment officer can help you in your efforts. How is that for your packed house full of believers and how they really feel toward others?

Joseph Ziehm
Lewiston, ME
"Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a master in heaven. Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;" Colossians 4: 1-2

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Arse69 says

If you don't want to hear the truth, go some place else. Christianity isn't a feel good way of life. As Sons of God, we are to be obeidient to his word. Teachers in the Church are accountable for what they preach. The Word of God is the same today as it was yesterday,it never changes. For those who try to change it or twist it, they will be judge accordingly. Any Christian that does not have love in his heart does not know Christ. Having love doesn't mean going with the flow.

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joeziehmer says

The Word of God is the same today as it was yesterday and the Old and New Testaments state together perfectly that priests married, had sons, or daughters, and trained them both for the ministry Catholicism however perverts that word of God and has done so for so long it has become a great hideaway for pedophiles. Which is why the church now seeks out disaffected Angelicans and Baptists though married to perform in the priesthood are we seeing again that priests will marry?

Joseph Ziehm
Lewiston, ME
"Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a master in heaven. Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;" Colossians 4: 1-2

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John 28 says

Then why is the Catholic teaching hate and injustice for ALL of God's children? I just wonder if you can truely answer this, but I'm sure you will find a way around it.

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Arse69 says

I'm not Catholic, but the Catholic Church did christianity good by leading the fight against gay marriage. Its not hate to stand for the truth.

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Lil says

And the pope, a former Hitler youth, lifts the excommunication on bishops like this:" Richard Williamson, a British bishop, was shown in a Swedish state TV interview this week saying that historical evidence "is hugely against 6 million Jews having been deliberately gassed."
Williamson has said that only 200,000-300,000 Jews died during World War II and that gas chambers were a fiction. He has also endorsed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious anti-Semitic forgery used since the late 19th century to fuel anti-Jewish violence." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1232643736866&pagename=JPost%...
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joeziehmer says

They knew that when they had elected him Lil it was merely more of a ploy for the Catholic church in its whoreish nature to lift itself to a new level of anti-Semitic behaviors. Let us see the Catholic church treated the early Baptists greatly, stoning, beheading, burning at the stake, raping women, and destroying entire towns and cities with its militaristic stances. Look at all of the congregations and how they have been treated and the different theological thoughts, Jewish, Baptist, Congregationalist, and other Christian sects. If you expect mercy from the Catholic church this is not Pope John Paul II it is Pope Benedict XVI the differences one escaped from the Nazi's while the other freely joined. The Catholic church is a great hide out for anyone with anti-Semitic thoughts or someone who despises other Christian sects so deeply they can simply latch on and attack.

Joseph Ziehm
Lewiston, ME
"Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a master in heaven. Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;" Colossians 4: 1-2

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Taxpoor says

WILL YOU PEOPLE STOP CRYING AND GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE. Lots of People are sick of hearing about this subject. I voted NO but wish I had voted YES

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news4u says

Simple Solution Taxpoor: If you are tired of hearing about this subject then stop reading the posts! Otherwise, join in on the lively debate.

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crash694 says

I too agree with William, The church for years has spoken many time of it staunch ways, Its this way or the high way. Well this is not the nideval dark ages nor is it the 2 da, This is the 21 century, and time has changed and peoples needs have changed. So time for the church to also change. But we all know that will not happen. For years lay people have been trying to get the woman to be ordane as priece, Not in our church. as they are not true representative of God. So people leave, and leave, and now with this also act of betral, they will all leave, and they will have to sell off there churches as no one want to be part of the back stabing, lieing hypocrotical church.
I left the church many years ago cause i could not deal with their Bull crap of lies, and half truth.

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Jami says

It seems the Catholic Church is condemned when it makes a mistake, and it's condemned when it takes a stand on Godly principles. It seems the Catholic Church is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. Come on now, even a stopped watch is right twice a day.

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news4u says

"It seems the Catholic Church is condemned when it makes a mistake..."

Mistake: 1. an error in action, calculation, opinion, or judgment caused by poor reasoning, carelessness, insufficient knowledge, etc.
2. a misunderstanding or misconception.

Priests who molest innocent children have not made a mistake. There was an intentional wandering or deviation from right conduct. They willingly chose to break the law by committing a crime-both in the eyes of the legal system and in the eyes of God.

"and it's condemned when it takes a stand on Godly principles"
How did it choose to take a stand on the Godly principles when they were finally exposed (pun intended)? The Catholic Church turned a blind eye and chose not to be forthcoming when it found out about the "mistakes" (your word- not mine) committed by its own. They transferred priests to other parishes or allowed these child molesters to quietly retire. Yet, the church knows what is the rest of mankind?

"Come on now, even a stopped watch is right twice a day."
Yes, but it's wrong the other 1438 minutes!

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Jami says

You actually got out your dictionary because you didn't like my use of the word "mistake'. And it looks like you got out your calculator on the "watch" thing. I am totally against the way the Catholic Church has handled some things. But I don't think "everything" they do is wrong. Let the tearing apart of Jami begin.

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news4u says

Getting a little defensive Jami. I'm not sure why you are so upset with the dictionary definition that I used. As for the number of minutes in a 24 hour period- I remembered that from elementary school. Please recognize the difference between debating an issue and personally attacking an individual. I am debating an issue- not attacking you.

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Jami says

Oh, gee, sorry if you thought I was personally attacking you with the dictionary and and calculator thing. I was merely making an observation. Is that allowed?

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news4u says

Certainly! :-)

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joeziehmer says

So, Jami tell me why does the Catholic Church breech the law of God in not allowing priests to marry? Inquiring minds want to know.

Joseph Ziehm
Lewiston, ME
"Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a master in heaven. Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;" Colossians 4: 1-2

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Jami says

I think they may have gotten the idea from Paul who thought this would be best. I'm not sure. I'm not Catholic, so I'm not really up on their particular laws. I didn't know God said a church was breeching his law by doing this. I just stated that basically they get condemned when they do something wrong and they get condemned when they do something right.

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John 28 says

BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! Willams for exposing the chuch for what it is. No need to say our family (straight) have also joined thousands of others in leaving this hypocrotical church. But they will NEVER take away our rights to have Jesus Christ as our church in our hearts. Nor will a penny ever be given to that 'no concisous' church. May it crumble to it's last drop!

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the_poorman says

The day the Church dies will be a great day. It is a useless relic that provides nothing but a bastion of bigotry and 15th century "wisdom."

Any problem that can't be solved with taxcuts, republicans pretend doesn't exist.

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