For the third time, Maine voters have made it clear that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Now, if voters can only unseat some of the perverted legislators who chose to ignore, again, the majority of Maine citizens.
Question 1 had utterly nothing to do with equality or marriage. The Vote No ads were sick jokes full of lies and deceit. The gay marriage movement has everything to do with individual and familial dysfunction, adulterous sex, companionship and the perversion of God's design for gender identity and its natural function.
Any so-called church or synagogue that promotes gay marriage practices selective reduced Christianity or Judaism. The concept of a gay Christian is oxymoronic. Real Christians and their God do not hate any individual homosexual, as gay activists like to believe. (They use this falsehood to lend validation to their cause.) They hate their chosen behaviors and efforts to protect their immorality through media guile and cheap legislation. The God of Abraham will lovingly accept any persons who will turn from their corruption, and his children can do no less.
Gays will try again. When the number of immoral and amoral voters surpasses those with eternally true, transcendent normative standards, they will sadly get what they desire.
William Van Tassel, Turner
verified Well, that's very Christian of you, Van Tassel. I wish I could have a front row seat when you pass over .... I just want to see the look on your face. Priceless!
It is the undauntable thought, my friend. The one that says, "I'm right!" ~Bobby Sands
""Parallel"
sleeping on a time bomb, staring into space
there's an ocean of unpleasantries we are not prepared to face
sitting on the fence post to watch the storm roll in
and terrified of the damage it will bring when it begins
it will begin
splintered dreams of unity (our lives are parallel)
so far from reality (our lives are parallel)
independent trajectories (our lives are parallel)
separate terms of equality (our lives are parallel)
our lives are parallel
is there no redemption? no common good?
is there nothing we can do for ourselves? or only what we should?
comes the hard admission of what we don't provide
goes the insistence on the ways and means that so divide
they so divide
side by side suffering loneliness (our lives are parallel)
phony collective progress (our lives are parallel)
accepting that it's all such a mess (our lives are parallel)
gesturing without hope of redress (our lives are parallel)
our lives are parallel
forging little plays of deception and pain
as we watch our foundation crumble away
staggering like birds against a hurricane
and trying all the while to stay out of each other's way
broken dreams of unity (our lives are parallel)
independant trajectories (our lives are parallel)
screaming out for understanding (our lives are parallel)
turning inward and suffering (our lives are parallel)
-----Bad Religion, off their disc The Gray Race
I think it's fitting.
there are more letters to the editor and blogs about this now then there were before the vote...when will you idiots....GIVE IT UP FOR AWHILE?????
Richard Cote (rich1951) why use such words? Are you the guitly one?
Mr. Van Tassel is what appears to be a walking, talking oxymoron.
No matter what argument I may try to make, his head is obviously firmly implanted in his own @ss.
With voters like him, God Help Us!
Mr VanTassel lost any credibility with his opening statement of: "For the third time, Maine voters have made it clear that marriage can only be between a man and a woman." This is the first and only time there has been any vote in the State of Maine regarding Same Sex Marriage. Admittedly, there were two votes regarding anti-discrimination laws but marrige wasn't mentioned in either of those issues.
Considering his opening statement was a falsehood to relay misinformation, I didn't bother to do anything more than skim his letter. When one starts a statement with a bald faced lie, I can only expect them to go hill down from there.
actually I do beleave in the 2005 vote the stand for marriage people were saying that vote would be about ssm.
Disagreeing with something obama does or says makes you a racist.
Disagreeing with something a liberal or homosexual does or says makes you a bigot.
Oh, well. Sure glad I'm a Pirate.
Y'know, Pirate, if this sh*t keeps up, I may just sign upon to sail with you and the Parrot...
"The democracy will cease to exist when the government takes from those who would work and gives to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson.
Good bye to both of you. We need more tolerance in this state and less of what you guys offer.
'marriage can only be between a man and a woman'-Who has the RIGHT to dictate that!?! You use terms like perverted-shows that you chose to ignore what this country/state should stand for.
This has GOT TO BE one of the most discriminating remarks I have ever read on SJ... 'Question 1 had utterly nothing to do with equality or marriage. The Vote No ads were sick jokes full of lies and deceit. The gay marriage movement has everything to do with individual and familial dysfunction, adulterous sex, companionship and the perversion of God's design for gender identity and its natural function.' I think that there is no question or doubt that NO on 1 supporters want equality for everyONE in Maine. I bet that there are more homosexuals that got the sh*t together-home, education/career, monogamous relationships... how can one who chooses to use 'GOD' be so stereotypical of ALL homosexuals OR NO on 1 supporters???
'Any so-called church or synagogue that promotes gay marriage practices selective reduced Christianity or Judaism. The concept of a gay Christian is oxymoronic. Real Christians and their God do not hate any individual homosexual, as gay activists like to believe. (They use this falsehood to lend validation to their cause.)' HOW CAN THEY NOT when you use words like perversion and sickness!?! Now I'm not stereotyping-cuz I know some religious people or wanna bes don't share the same views as you... but many do and no matter how you say it/spray it-still sounds like discrimination and fear to me. 'They hate their chosen behaviors and efforts to protect their immorality through media guile and cheap legislation.' Another prejudiced comment... I think that has got to be one of the most ignorant letter in SJ history. 'The God of Abraham will lovingly accept any persons who will turn from their corruption, and his children can do no less.'-Take your own religious rhetoric advice.
'Gays will try again.' AND RIGHTFULLY SO! Everyone deserves the same rights.
EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE!
"...eternally true, transcendent normative standards....." Mr. Tassel. How can that be true when conservatives (Conservapedia) are right now re-writting the Bible removing anything they think is "liberal" like charity. Or are those eternally true, transcendent values only eternal for as long as you believe them.
Jon Albrecht Dixfield
I'm pretty sure that's just a hoax.
Even so, they can rewrite THEIR version of the Bible all they want to. That doesn't make the Word of God irrelevent. There are still plenty of good translations out there that remain faithful to the original manuscripts.
John A. Chick
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)
There is only one true interpretation of the bible and that is the King James Version which has been marked with so many notes and references to common thoughts that it makes little sense when the New International Versions or others alter and delete paths. The Christian Civic League of Maine would have others believe that Gideon hid, however in the wine press he created wine for Israel, while fearing death, and hid not but the angel of the Lord commanded him to do. If that is what is coming out of Conservapedia to be altered and relayed to the public that it is truly a sad day for all of Christiandom. Another which I have seen to rise up antisemitism in the ranks is when Pastors use the declaration of Moses' anger concerning the gold calf when God had in turn blotted out their names when those who truly worshiped it were delivered into the blade of one of the tribes of Israel. Thereby, it was not the anger of the Jews as that Pastor had pointedly tried to remark but it was the anger of God for a people gone away into their own desertion of God. Gee, think if there is a Conservative Bible for all the alterations there will be a book burning of the Conservapedia bibles for the words which they hope to spread and the divisions they now hope to create.
Joseph Ziehm
Lewiston, ME
"Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a master in heaven. Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;" Colossians 4: 1-2
Rinolast, you need to understand that this was the third opportunity that bigots in Maine got to harm gays and their children. The issue was never marriage to them. Its always been their way to eliminate gays.
Jon Albrecht Dixfield
Paranoia strikes deep; into your life it will creep....
Well the Yes on 1 crowd continues to prove that they are motivated by hate, bigotry, and institutionalized fear. They have never provided a single reason to vote yes on 1. But they are right on one thing. The Gay/straight movement for human rights will be back again. Blacks finally won their freedom more than one hundred years after the civil war. So the human rights movement isn't about to be discouraged by a few bigots.
Jon Albrecht Dixfield
You couldn't be more wrong. The "Yes on One crowd", as you put it, presented many reasons to vote Yes on Question One. You just chose to not pay attention.
"The democracy will cease to exist when the government takes from those who would work and gives to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson.
You want a reason for voting yes on 1, Jon? We don't want same sex marriage just as much as you all want it. We are even. Makes you think a little, doesn't it?
LEWISTON NATIVE - you are quite confused. You can participate in all your unnatural behavior you want - you have that freedom. You and your ilk want special privileges - you want to do whatever you want to including such bizarre behavior as homosexual behavior (remember - only about 3% of the entire population does that) and call it "marriage." You sir/m'am = distort the truth. You want us to say you are O.K. and you want us to put a special "stamp of approval" on your choice of odd behavior. Sorry, you will never get it.
CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE - choose not to get caught up in such behavior as it leads to problems galore!
Ilk? What you think we are anyway? We're not bizarre or anything else like that. Stop your nonsense and treat us with the humanity and respect we deserve. Furthermore, I chose nothing. And neither did you when it comes to your relationships. I can no more be straight than you can be gay. My sexual orientation is just as much of a given as being left-handed or right. And yet you still rant and rave about choice; and unnatural acts; ilk and the like. You're sounding pretty superior in your convictions and clearly at the expense of simple human kindness. So YES "Sammie" I do. I want you to say we're OK. Because we are. We deserve civil equality, justice and respect. Nuff said!
AHAHA. Someone is a little confused themself. I didn't know that I had to be gay to believe that they should be granted the same rights as every other American citizen. If you are still confused Sammie, I am not gay. I am VERY much straight, but unlike most Mainers I very much so am also an American and believe in the Constitution. By denying gays/lesbians their RIGHT to be married, you are pretty much spitting on every person who died for this country to protect the Constitution and the RIGHTS of ALL Americans. I guess giving women the right to vote, letting "black" people marry "white" people and allowing everyone to go to the same school are special rights. You can deny it, but truly that is what you are saying. There is nothing special about allowing to loving adults the right to get marry under the law. They don't care to get married by priest or even want to get married in churches. What they do want is the same rights as myself and every other straight individuals. They want to know that if/when their spouse is sick that they are covered under their healthcare, if/when they die their husband/wife is the power of attorney, etc... To allow the MAJORITY to vote on something regarding the MINORITY is ludacris and shouldn't have been allowed. Seperate, but equal is not equal.
Sammiesays-you are the one who is confused. And immoral. People like you disgust me. I just want to know one thing-when was the last time god told you personally, that you were right? People like you lead to problems galore. Arrogance comes to mind when I read your posts.
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When was the last time God to you personally that YOU were right? Dreams don't count.
That's exactly my point, Pirate. I'm glad it got across.
The most problems come from your side...acceptance and love? You have NO idea what that is.
And you know that because???
I believe in it, and you can't take that away, can you Pirate? My beliefs are my own, and my opinion matters..I believe that too. How do you know anything you claim to know? Is it because you believe in it? I don't claim to be right in your or anyone else's mind, but I am in my own mind, and you can NOT change that. In fact, no one can.
EQUAL rights/same rights/equality... nothing 'special privileges' about that.
...and you, too, deny being a bigot?
Hrmmmm. You say it's immoral to allow someone their Freedoms which are granted to them by being in America. I'd say it's immoral to take away those Freedoms. Also, the only thing that the Yes on 1 had for an arguement was religion. Last I checked religion is supposed to be separate from state. I guess most Mainers forgot that.
If by "freedoms" you mean "rights", then you are mistaken. Rights are not granted by living in a certain place. They are "endowed by their Creator" (according to Mr Jefferson and the ohter founding fathers.) The government does not grant rights. The purpose of government is to protect our rights and not to take any of them from us.
If by "freedom" you mean "liberty", you are also mistaken. Government does not grant liberty or freedom, per se. On the contrary, if anything, governments are more apt to pass laws that deny or infringe on true liberty and freedom.
The 1st Amendment protects religion FROM government interference. Nothing in our founding documents prevents relious people from participating in government, quite the contrary. You cannot separate a man (or woman) from what they believe. Their beliefs will influence every thing they do in every aspect of their lives. That is not necessarily good or bad, it's just a fact.
It makes no difference what the Yes on 1 people based their motivation on. The State of Maine did not invent marriage, nor did the US Government, or any government for that matter. Government has no authority to redifine marriage. The bennefits, privileges and "taxes" that government has bestowed on the institution of marriage, can easily be extended to include same sex couples, heterosexual couples that live together but are not married, and single parent households.
I can understand why government has seen to protect the traditional family. It is the foundation of all society.
What is immoral is to keep extending special privileges and protections to gay people in the guise of non-discrimination and/or civil rights. Yet at the same time, you would be ok with infringing on the equal rights of religious people in the guise of "Separation of Church and State."
John A. Chick
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)
"The purpose of government is to protect our rights and not to take any of them from us."
I am pretty sure not allowing two loving consenting adults to marry would be taking rights from them. Just saying.
"Government has no authority to redifine marriage."
Why not, when words are redifined daily? Last, I checked if I wanted to get married I'd have to go to a COURT to get a Certificate of Marriage and if I really wanted I could just simply get a Justice of the Peace to do the ceremony. Marriage is no longer a religious union of two people, it is a union threw the State. So, why are you saying that they can't redifine the word? Also, if governments done have authority how did 5 other states already redifine the word to include same sex couples?
Whether or not you agree with it, it will be allowed sooner rather then later. My guess is that it will eventually be brought to Maine Supreme court where they over turn it for being unconstitutional. If not then the younger generation (including myself) will wait till the older generation dies off because our generation is more accepting and seem to interpret the Constitution differently.
p.s. I think the U.S. has been ignorant to minorities long enough, but thanks for the quote.
I propose any religious institution engaged in political fundraising have their tax exempt status taken away. I am so sick of the church this and the church that, you need to realize that you're making excuses for being a bigot. Just once, try to leave the church out of it. I bet you can't, because instead of being worried about the state of our nation and other countries, or the starving millions, or those who suffer immeasurable hurt and sadness, you, are complaining about something that can't be proven. Unless you talk to god regularly. Well, do you?
The problem is people like you spouting off at the mouth like You are god's prophet. Just because you read the book. Why are you so high and mighty?
Hey Jressica Johnson, not foaming at the mouth yet, but it seems you are!
I enjoy sharing my opinion, and sometimes can get aggressive. That's a good quality to have.
Why, John Case, do you have to bring my name into it? I use a screen name for a reason :)
It's in your file Jessica Johnson, as mine is and I already sign many blogs with my real name. Is your real???
Yes, it is.
Sorry Jchick, that was meant for for the one below you. And Mr Van Tassel himself.
You were cogent and clear William. There is no gay gene - there is a genetic predisposition to be more feminine or more masculine but that does not excuse the sin. Just like someone who is born with a genetic predisposition to be an alcoholic . . . should avoid bars and liquor. One with a genetic predisposition to be angry is not excused if he gets angry and beats someone. We do not excuse a host of genetic predisposition behaviors yet you try to pull the wool over everyones' eyes about homosexual behavior. You do have a CHOICE. Don't force your bad choices down the throats of our children and those of us who choose not to be fooled.
We are all really fed up and digusted with the hypocritical comments about hatred and bigotry when you spew the vituperative, vile hatred comments every time someone mentions God and our choice not to believe the trope and tripe.
There is help for those of you caught up in the destructive gay lifestyle and the lies they perpetuate. You do not have to enter in such a spiraling-out-of-control life that leads to early death and increased mental and health problems.
Oh, I can't stand it. You're such a ranting cluck! In my case, (you garrulous crank) I'm healthy, well adjusted and the furthest thing from a life spiraling out of control. I have no mental health issues and short of being diabetic as my family is genetically prone, I'm as normal as you are. My life is in not destructive in any way, shape or form. You want to know what the "homosexual agenda" is? I'll tell you. It's REALLY EASY to remember. It goes like this: Breakfast; Work; Lunch; More work; Early dinner; Movie maybe; Read; Floss; Leno. That's it pal. It's called "life" Sammie and it's pretty average as compared to everybody else. So the next time you want to start spouting your venom and disgust over homosexuality just remember one thing. Simple human kindness goes a long way. And you sir, don't appear to have any.
There is also hope for love and peace, something you obviously know nothing about. You spew vile rhetoric, molded to make YOUR beliefs shine through. I truly feel bad for you.
You are a truly disgusting person. Maybe you should stop pushing your beliefs of god on everyone. I don't believe god would appreciate your arrogance, or ignorance..but like most, I don't speak to him. Who made you the decision maker on moral issues?? Straight lifestyles are just as "destructive" as gay relationships. How many times have you been married?? And how many times has god said to you...well, anything? You seem to twist the bible to support YOUR beliefs, why? If a moron like you can get married, why shouldn't anyone? Including dogs..because they, sir, are better citizens than you.
Oh, gaaaawd!!!!
This letter is oh so true. Well written and right on the mark. Cranky, a person may be born gay, but then that person CHOOSES to commit homosexual acts, which are against the commandments of God. A gay person is called by God to either remain celibate, or to overcome homosexual attraction and marry a person of the opposite sex. To say that neither can be done is to disparage the grace of God. God gives his grace to all of us, and his grace is more powerful than the human will. We can accept or reject it, but sadly, a large number of people reject it, giving preference to personal pleasure above the desire for salvation of the soul.
Never in my 78 years of life would I think I would hear such fillth and complete lies from you, but then again, I do understand the sickness in your brains, that certainly you were so well brainwashed by the churchs, mainly the catholic church and it's worst Biship in Maine leader it's ever had.
Again, pundits and bigots will continue to lie and lie and lie. John Case of Livermore Falls, Maine
KEEP CRYING AND CALLING NAMES your only hurting your cause. Homosexuality will always be considered a sickness and Gay Marriage will always get voted down at least in your life time.
I forgive you for your vile insult and may God be with you to open your eyes and see the truth.
Your arrogance shines through.
two wrongs don't make a right... its funny how people overlook their own actions... maybe they're just NOT reading what they write.
The whole letter is void when the author states "For the third time". This is the FIRST time Mainers have voted on Gay Marriage...
Your whole diatribe is predicated on the false conclusion that being gay is a choice. It is no more a choice than being heterosexual. Unfortunately, your mind and eyes are welded shut and you have relied on others who have indoctrinated you into this belief. Is there a "gay lifestyle?" Sure, just like there's a heterosexual lifestyle, an African-American lifestyle. That part is the choice. Being born that way is not.
Let me reverse the picture and suggest that your religious beliefs are a choice. A sginificant number of people don't like your choice so they craft legislation to ban it. How do you think that would make you feel? Just food for thought.
skullbones Mainers will be voting on this issue every year from now on

William it appears you made a mistake with your last graph. You wrote"Gays will try again. When the number of immoral and amoral voters surpasses those with eternally true, transcendent normative standards, they will sadly get what they desire."
What you meant to write is "Gays will try again. When the number of understanding and non discriminatory voters surpasses those with irrational fear and hatred, they will finally get what everyone else has - equal treatment under the law."
There all fixed! Your welcome.
Any problem that can't be solved with taxcuts, republicans pretend doesn't exist.
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