Gustin son reacts to possible camp sale

SABATTUS — In the 1930s, Charles Gustin sent his two sons to a Boy Scout camp in Raymond in hopes that they would learn about the land and have fun doing it.

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George Gustin of Wales holds a picture of his father Charles Gustin, who bought and gave the land on Loon Pond to the Boy Scouts of America.  

It turns out that Gustin, who worked in lumber and delivered mail, learned plenty himself.

"He fell in love with the idea of camping and the Scouts and what me and my brother were being taught," said George Gustin, now 77 years old. "That's when he became interested in getting some land where kids could have a camp and learn the ways of the wild."

The elder Gustin set his eyes on a tract around Loon Pond in Sabattus. He bought it and later turned it over to the Boy Scouts of America. For more than 60 years, Scouts have been going to what became known as Camp Gustin to learn those ways of the wild.

That long tradition could come to an end: The Pine Tree Council, the Maine chapter of the Boy Scouts, intends to sell the camp and the land upon which it sits. The reason? Financial woes. They say selling the camp could bring in as much as $350,000 to help pay bills and invest in other things.

To current and former Scouts, the idea of selling Camp Gustin for that amount is a travesty.

"That's not a lot of money in today's market," George Gustin said. "Sooner or later, all of it will be gone."

And so will Camp Gustin, if the Pine Tree Council plows ahead to sell it to the highest bidder. A meeting on the matter is scheduled for next week.

Gustin, whose father bought the land in 1933, was never notified by the council that the camp might be sold. He heard rumors of it and tried to get answers on his own. He called council offices in Portland and could not reach anyone with information.

"We even went down and stopped into their offices a couple of times," Gustin said. "It was closed. We didn't get any answers there."

Now Gustin, a former Scout with Troop 111 of Auburn, is like hundreds of others who have enjoyed the camp on Loon Pond: He is waiting to see what will happen next. He is sure of one thing: His father would not approve of the sale.

"He wanted it to be developed for camping," Gustin said.

At an Abnaki District meeting Wednesday night, dozens spoke out against the sale. They were Scouts, former Scouts, parents of Scouts and Scout leaders. A day later, after news spread further, others came forward to voice their displeasure.

"What an awful development will be the sale of Camp Gustin," said Don Goulet, a Lewiston man who went to camp at Gustin in the late 1950s and early '60s. "I learned how to hunt there, how to cook in the outdoors, and I lost my fear of the woods in that wonderful place. I made lifelong friends."

Officials from the Pine Tree Council have said that Gustin is used less than any of the four camps operated by the Boy Scouts. But the people who use the camp as part of scouting events — and those whose children attend day camp there — are doubtful of those numbers.

According to numbers provided by Troop 109 Scoutmaster Allen Ward, more than 100 from that pack alone attend the Camporee every Father's Day weekend and similar numbers attend the Cub Scout Day Camp.

Gustin is available for camping for any leader's family for any given weekend, Ward said. Canoe training and countless other water events for troops are assembled every summer.

Were Gustin to be sold, Scouts from this area would have to make the much longer trek to Camp Hinds in Raymond.

"Camp Gustin is there for a lot of boys who may not have the ability to travel that far," said Andy Beaudoin, who attended Wednesday's meeting with his Scout son.

Officials from the Androscoggin Land Trust, in a memo circulated at that meeting, cautioned the Pine Tree Council about keeping maximum profit as a priority.

Ed Desgrosselliers, chairman of the Abnaki District Council Committee, said Thursday that the next step may involve forming a specific committee to address the matter.

Those with memories of the camp can only wait and see, barring alternatives that have not yet been discussed.

"Were I a rich man, I would buy that land and immediately deed it back to the Scouts with a perpetual provision on nonsalability," Goulet said. "Once the land is gone, it is gone forever. Shameful!"

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Robert61's picture

Stay tuned! We are working

Stay tuned! We are working on a rally at camp GUstin for November 15th! Fun and with press invited..details to come, but if your on facebook you can join the new group Save Maine Scout Camps http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=323022840617

Please join the group so we can keep you informed and show council how widespread the support is - invite friends and ask that they invite others. This is a true grassroots campaign that needs your help!

Tina46's picture

Sadly the intentions of our

Sadly the intentions of our forefathers are often brushed aside…is this probable sale a reaction to alleviate a temporary financial situation or one that signifies deeper issues?
Downsizing or re-appropriating dollars may be necessary, but is losing a natural asset that represents and illustrates the ‘rustic’ outdoor experience, true values and heritage of scouting warranted?

LAL's picture

My son is a new cub scout

My son is a new cub scout this year and has only been to Camp Gustin once but he still talks about what a great time he had there and how he can’t wait to go back! It is going to be a huge loss for all Scouts and Scout families if this camp gets sold. I know for me, personally, the main reason I want my son in Scouts is because of the outdoor and camping activities that are (well, are supposed to be!) so important in Scouting. Kids these days are indoors WAY too much as it is and do not have enough opportunities to really be out there in nature to learn outdoor skills, and Scouting camp is one of the only chances many kids will ever have to get out there and participate in these kinds of activities. Take that away and you will be taking away a wonderful thing for many kids who will not have access to these outdoor activities elsewhere.

Ernest's picture
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I have to agree with

I have to agree with tpellet. Sell that fancy building sitting on some of the most expensive land in the northeast. That would surely bring in way more than a chunk of land in Wales.

DR's picture

Just one more thing. Here's

Just one more thing. Here's an email address "for reporters working on national stories".
MediaCenter@scouting.org

My brothers were Scouts, and my parents once served as dedicated Scoutmasters who put a lot of time and effort into giving kids a chance to gain knowledge, practical skills, and conduct themselves honorably. Yeah, I'm disgusted by PTC's actions and sympathize with Mr. Gustin's family 100%.

DR's picture

P.S. According to the Pine

P.S.
According to the Pine Tree Council's website, their email address is scoutinfo@pinetreebsa.org.
They have only 5 camps in total and have a long 'wish list' for donated equipment and supplies, including their Gifts-in-Kind program which includes "monetary contributions that would offer the donor a named opportunity ". Oh really? Like Mr. Gustin's gift of land, which PTC is not honoring at all, but simply discarding in favor of more interesting investments?
Check out the list of requested donations at http://www.pinetreebsa.org/support/wishlist.html.

I'm wondering how many other people and businesses donated time, materials, and money to help maintain Camp Gustin, believing it would continue to serve Boy Scouts in time to come. How pleased are those donators now, knowing they've been basically mislead into believing that their donation had lasting consequence?

DR's picture

Too bad the elder Mr. Gustin

Too bad the elder Mr. Gustin didn't specify that the property would have be returned to his family or turned over to another charitable group if the Boy Scouts didn't want it anymore. The people on the Pine Tree Council are apparently concentrating on making more money, not preserving what they already have. Let this be a warning to anyone who wants to donate any kind of property to any kind of organization. Don't trust your gift to the future. Put legal strings on it that prevent greedy people from selling it in future. Shame on PTC.

This reminds me of some valuable artwork that was auctioned to raise money, after being specifically donated for the purpose of remaining on public view in perpetuity.

big daddy's picture

The council is so out of

The council is so out of touch with troops in there district that you can't get a straight answer from them.There is around Camp Gustin at least 10 troops close by who use it frequintly that they would have to travel at least 30 miles to do any scout training.The council puts money into their pet projects around their headquarters and leave us in the north with no support.The troops that use it should band together and buy it and make the council look like SCROOGE'S!!!!

Robert61's picture

ouncil makes around $5,000

ouncil makes around $5,000 profit on Cub day camp alone each year at Camp GUstin -one of the biggest day camps in the state..and yet they want to throw it away...time to weed through the financials that are hidden.

CharlieBrown's picture

If the Pine Tree Council has

If the Pine Tree Council has financial woes they need to cut paid psositions and get more volunteer assistance. Selling this land is insane and needs to be stopped. This is not what the BSA is about and the PTC should be ashamed.

skippy's picture
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Camp Gustin may not be

Camp Gustin may not be "officially" used many times a year, but when I was on the scout committee we brought the boys there for a fun weekend many times. It may not have been part of an organized event with other troops, but our troop had fun there and learned from it.

If inline4nut or others organize a drive to buy it from the council with the stipulation it will be given back with a clause reading that it is only for use of boy scouts and not to be re-sold I would be in line to donate to the cause.

It is a shame that organizations like the Scouts get leaders who have no idea of the groups resources and squander the funds to build themselves fancy offices at the expense of the kids they are supposed to be serving.

Virgil Sampson's picture

vink80 FROM A DISTANCR

vink80
FROM A DISTANCR THIS STORY SMELLS REAL BAD ------- WHAT DEVELOPER WANTS IN ??????

Elaine Morency's picture

How sad. Boy Scouts has

How sad. Boy Scouts has always been a program where boys of all ages and backgrounds were welcome. It was a great program thay wasn't 'commercialized'. You didn't need to have money to pay for expensive equipment. It taught values, compassion and a great love and appreciation for the land. Where boys were active and not stuck in front of video game. I look around now and I see an expensive and elaborate 'office' in Portland that never seems to be open. And seems to be out of place and not in alignment with what Boys Scouts has always represented. I wonder if that piece of fancy real estate is used more often and by more people than Camp Gustin? I'm sure it would fetch a nice price. I'm still shocked to learn that there are large salaries being paid. At my level, all I've seen is dedicated people volunteering and fundraising being done.

mjanderson09's picture

I'm not a legal expert, but

I'm not a legal expert, but check out www.androscoggindeeds.com, the county's online deed registry. Login under the "free acess" and search for "Recorded Land by Book and Page". Enter Book 618, Page 259. This is the original deed from Charles Gustin to the PTC. Gustin sold it for $1.00 to PTC with a clause that says:

"This conveyence is made on the condition that camp site to be used thereon by the grantee shall be named and called Camp Gustin". That was July 15th, 1948.

I guess if you have a good enough laywer you can do whatever you want, regardless of Mr. Gustin's conditions.

exoggensani's picture

I think that's pretty bad

I think that's pretty bad that your GIVEN this land with the intent on it giving forever for youngsters to learn and then you want to sell it?? The people in charge should be ASHAMED! Find another way to make money.... SHAME SHAME!

robinstjean's picture

Thank you Mr. Gustin for

Thank you Mr. Gustin for going to the Sun Journal to have them print your story. As a Boy Scout mom, I am grateful that your dad donated this land to the Boy Scouts. I truly believe it will do our boys (past, present and future) a great disservice to sell this land. They will sacrifice not only the land but the TRUST that our current and possible future supporters have in the leaders of the program.

Chuck Dale's picture

msmane If the Boy Scout

msmane

If the Boy Scout Council succeeds in selling this property, it will discourage anyone else from ever making a similar donation !! I agree w/ the other two comments a/b making sure the sale does NOT happen and changing council leaders. It appears to be poor management on the part of the coucil. Wild land like this camp is to be treasured, not be bartered to the highest bidder.
Shame on those considering this action!!

INLINE4NUT's picture

All former Scouts should ban

All former Scouts should ban together and pay them off and make sure the Land can never be sold !!

fixit001's picture

Get rid of those in charge

Get rid of those in charge of the council as they are over paid and the only real reason is they want to be paid like the teachers now!! the money will not go to the debt but like Citi it will go into the pockets of the admins!!!!!

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