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House passes health care bill

WASHINGTON -— The House of Representatives Saturday passed, by a 220-215 vote, historic health-care overhaul legislation that would require virtually all Americans to obtain health insurance and create a government-run health insurance plan to help them do so.

If passed by the Senate, the bill would bring about the most sweeping changes in the American health care system since Medicare was created 44 years ago.

Supporters of the measure burst into cheers and applause on the House floor as it became clear the measure had won, but the vote was excruciatingly close, just two more than the bare minimum needed. One Republican, Joseph Cao of Louisiana, voted for the bill; 39 Democrats voted against.

President Barack Obama made a personal plea for passage before the all-day debate began.

"Now is the time to finish the job," Obama said in brief remarks in the White House Rose Garden after meeting with House Democrats.

The job is far from finished. The Senate hopes to act by the end of the year, and if successful, the two Houses would then craft a compromise that would need approval of each chamber.

The House vote came with a warning: Getting enough votes later this year or early in 2010 will not be easy. Thirty-nine Democrats, most from conservative districts or freshmen who narrowly won their 2008 elections, voted against the House bill, joining all 176 Republicans. In the Senate, eight to 12 moderates have expressed reservations about that chamber's proposal.

In addition to creating the so-called public option government-run insurance program, the House-passed bill would bar insurers from denying people coverage because of pre-existing conditions and set up health care "exchanges," or marketplaces, where consumers could easily shop for coverage.

The changes are expected to mean that by 2019, 96 percent of eligible Americans would have health insurance, up from the current 83 percent.

During his half hour appearance on Capitol Hill Saturday, Obama took no questions from lawmakers, but his presence was a vivid reminder that the president has put health care overhaul at the top of his domestic agenda — a change that has eluded presidents for nearly a century.

"He came here to say, 'This is what we said we would do in the campaign. Let's do it,' " said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md.

On the House floor, Democratic leaders appealed to members' sense of history, reminding them this was one of the most significant votes, short of war, that they were likely to take.

"There are few moments when we have the opportunity to do so much good with one vote. This is one of those moments," said Hoyer.

Republicans countered with arguments that the health-care plan did little to improve coverage or affordability.

"Astoundingly, Democrats are bringing to the floor a bill today that will not reduce the costs of health insurance, it will grow the size of government," said GOP Conference Chairman Mike Pence, R-Ind.

Democratic leaders said that they doubted Obama changed many votes, but "the energy he brought to this debate will be helpful," said Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C.

A bigger boost may have come from a deal to bar coverage by government-subsidized insurance policies of elective abortions.

As originally written, the measure would have required insurers to separate public and private money, so that only private funds could be used for elective abortions. Abortion opponents were concerned that such a policy would effectively expand the government's role in improving access to abortion, and as many as 40 Democrats threatened to withhold support from the health care bill unless changes were made.

After tense negotiations Friday night — with White House officials and representatives of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops as well as key Democratic members of Congress — House Democratic leaders agreed to allow a vote Saturday on sweeping changes to the abortion provision.

The measure was approved, 240-194, as 64 Democrats joined 176 Republicans to back the change.

The change would permit abortion coverage for people receiving federal aid for their insurance only in the case of rape or incest or when the mother's life is endangered. That change is consistent with a 1970s-era federal law governing public funding of abortion.

Under the new provision, only people buying private insurance with their own funds would have an elective abortion covered.

Many abortion rights advocates were angry, and the brief debate often pitted Democrat against Democrat. "This amendment is government interference in the decision between a woman and her physician," said Rep. Lois Capps, D-Calif. "Unnecessary and reprehensible," added Rep. Nita Lowey, D-N.Y.

"Today we're on the brink of passing health care reform that honors and respects life in every state," countered Rep. Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind.

With that agreement, House Democratic leaders were assured they would get the 218 votes needed to pass. Democrats control 258 seats.

Republicans tried throughout the day to create more doubt and delay, loudly shouting objections to routine parliamentary requests by objecting when Democratic women tried to discuss their concerns on the House floor.

GOP members then pushed their own plan, which would make it easier for small businesses to band together to purchase competitively priced coverage, allow consumers to buy policies across state lines, and effect strong medical malpractice reforms.

It was easily defeated on a largely party line vote, 258-176.

The bigger obstacle for Democrats was fellow Democrats, as dozens of members continued to express reservations about the bill.

Some were freshmen elected by slim margins in conservative districts.

Rep. Walt Minnick, D-Idaho, wanted to see more cost-cutting. "Unfortunately, the new health-care bill in the House does not adequately meet those goals, so I will vote 'no,' " he said.

Some were veteran members of the Blue Dog Coalition, a group of 52 Democratic conservatives. Many objected to the bill's price tag and worried it would increase the federal deficit.

"The House bill misses a critical opportunity to address access, quality and costs on the one hand, and solidify our fiscal future on the other hand," said Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, D-S.D.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated the bill's net cost would total $891 billion over 10 years and reduce the deficit by $109 billion. But many Democrats were wary.

"While the Congressional Budget Office predicts this bill is paid for over 10 years, there is no mechanism in the bill to force spending cuts if those complicated projections turn out to be wrong," said Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Texas.

But enough Blue Dogs and freshmen backed the leadership - which was stressing how the bill could be changed later — that passage seemed likely.

In the Senate, where moderates' concerns have stalled progress, Democratic leaders are hoping for a debate and vote before the end of the year.

"My vote is not an endorsement of all the provisions of the bill, because I find much of the bill to be deeply flawed," said Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., a Blue Dog who backed the measure. "My reason for voting 'yes' is to advance the cause of health care reform by forcing the Senate to act."



Comments

maineguy207 says

This will prove to be the begining of the end.......... wait and see.... GOD BLESS AMERICA
People think it's "free health-care for all" Who will pay for it??????? I earned my health-care and I like it... It's a privelage not a right

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man says

"Change We Need" and we will see old Congressman and Senators get replaced by new ones.Change creates oppurtunity so get out to vote!!!

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

mainexile says

Don't start popping your champagne corks, liberals. This still has to be passed in some form by the Senate, where more rational heads prevail, AND then go to conference committee in order to iron out any disputed provisions. Let's see how this fares in the upper chamber.

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Big Love says

And then there will be the court challenges and 2010 elections. I can't wait to see which lobbying firm Harry Reid has to take a job with. Hey, where was he hiding yesterday, anyway?
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Winterbear98 says

TRY AND SEE YOUR DOCTOR SAME DAY AFTER THIS LONG WAITING LINES FOR SURE

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nmcssc says

See who get the last laugh when you end up paying more and more. Oh that's right it will be you children and their children for many more generations to come that will be paying for all these so called helpful programs. You all think you are getting something for nothing, not going to happen.

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Bobcat115 says

Maine 2008 results for president- Obama 421,923 - 58% McCain- 295,273 -40% Looks like the people of Maine want Health care reform since Obama campaigned on it. Once again the right wing whackos are in the minority.

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Susan2 says

Bobcat115 says
newI bet you have no idea what it's like not to have health insurance do you? This bill will allow you to keep the coverage you have now if you so choose. Bet you had no idea did you?
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LOL you don't seem to know what got voted in idiot! There is no choosing! The private companies are ALL squeezed out in 2013. By then EVERYONE HAS to be on the government option. Please try to be informed BEFORE you post!

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Lil says

If only 8 or 9 million qualify for the public option, how does that force private insurance out of business? Seems Faux News is doing a good job of keeping the teabaggers uniformed.
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rstonge says

Lil, the President himself admitted that the public option would take 10-15 years for eliminate private insurance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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iangol says

WAIT! I did NOT vote for Obama! I knew how to read between the lines.....

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

BobStone says

Mike Michaud voted for the Pelosi-Obama bill. The bill included a provision that will cost the paper making industry $24 billion a year. Does Mike think that this will help his fellow union brothers who are desperately hanging on to their jobs in Maine? He threw every paper maker under the bus.

Mike would be in East Millinocket, waiting for the mill to start up, if not for his union brothers. He screwed them hard last night. Of course, union leadership will tell their members that it was all the Republicans fault that they lost their jobs.

The undeniable fact is that a vote against the company that employs you is a vote against you, as an employee. Michaud MAY understand this, but he is counting on the Maine media to carry his water and union leadership to keep this from the members.

Time to send Mike into retirement.

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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deimos says

he won't retire he will stay in DC with his chubby little boyfriend

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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iangol says

Michaud, & Snowe need to be replaced... they all turned on us :( How did Collins vote? Did she turn her back on Maine too?

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Brian_L says

First of all it is the House that voted on this bill. Snowe is in the Senate and the Senate hasn't voted on a bill yet. Second, I don't see how voting for something a majority of Mainers want & need "turning their backs on Maine."

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iangol says

Brian_L - I know this information about the House voting and now it goes to the senate...

Michaud voted for this, according to the news.... they also said that he signed to go this far but might not for the final vote because he wanted to see a few things change. Follow Michaud @ http://twitter.com/RepMikeMichaud and you can see his comments on facebook here:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=168785681667 He says on his facebook page he DID sign for this and it is a step forward.

Snowe (http://www.mahalo.com/olympia-snowe) voted yes recently and Collins ( http://twitter.com/senatorcollins) said she might follow in Snowe's footsteps.

Michaud said he was going to help the senior citizens and our military, I don't see that happening with this health care plan?? If you do please be so kind to direct me on where to find this information.

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BobStone says

Could you explain to me and the group how this is 'affordable'? How much will you pay for this insurance they passed last evening? I'll bet you have no idea, do you?

All the best,

Bob

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Bobcat115 says

I bet you have no idea what it's like not to have health insurance do you? This bill will allow you to keep the coverage you have now if you so choose. Bet you had no idea did you? From reading a lot of these posts it's not surprising our country is in such a mess.

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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Gil says

What you have no idea of is how this bill will be paid for. Do you really believe that the messiah can wave magic pixie dust and pay for millions of new insurance enrollments and it won't cost a dime? What you have no idea of is simple economics. Like the fact that when a good or service has a price that reaches 100% free, the supply of that good or service is diminished and needs to be rationed. What you have no idea of is good old common sense. The reason this country is in a mess is non-producing moochers thinking that those who do produce owe them. And the POS Congressman who use them to gain and retain power.
"Reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. " Pirate

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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iangol says

So one of my questions is this, if you don't have medical insurance are you going to be put in jail or? How are they going to decide on how much each person has to pay?

I think employers should increase workers pay to counter act this dumb decision the government just did.

I thought this was the USA and not a communist country?

Obama, is this REALLY the change YOU people voted for? I DIDN'T!

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

rstonge says

That's right. If you don't pay have health insurance you can face fines and jail time.

Remember, President Obama said he was in favor of spreading the wealth, so I guess we are heading to a socialist-like economy.

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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Big Love says

Semantics works well here for Obama. Calling it a tax, which would hit only the middle class as the poor would be exempt from paying it and the rich can afford health insurance, helps keep BHO from breaking another campaign promise. You remember. No tax increases for those making less than 300,000 dollars? Or was it 200,000? Or is it 50,000 now? Oh well, who knows? Does it matter? It's just a number, like 1.8 trillion.
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Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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tron says

however, you STILL have not mentioned where it says someone could be jailed for failute to get insurance. Small point, but I'm sick of your lies, show where it is, or shut up!

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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Gil says

Dan, you don't get to ask someone for proof until you provide the proof you were asked to before. You throw out a comment, knowing it to be a lie, and then run and hide when asked to prove it. Hypocrisy and the libs, hand in hand.
"Reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. " Pirate

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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tron says

Actually I think a person not having health insurance would incur a tax penalty, but I'll let you get away with calling it a fine since that would all be semantics.

However nowhere have I found any instance that someone could be jailed, so please point out that section of the bill for us, or stop making things up.

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

rstonge says

Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year. The word fine is what is used in the bill.

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

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tron says

nice try, this has NOTHING to do with this bill. Good bluff, tho.

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

rstonge says

This is where I got it.
http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?Docum...

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rstonge says

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.”

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Lil says

That's why your side lost.
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fixit001 says

HEy I see many complaints by those who are having US PAY THIER INSUANCE AND MEDICAL BILLS NOW THEY WILL BE FORCED TO PAY FOR THEMSELFS FOR A CHANGE INSTEAD OF BEING A BIG PIMPLE ON MY PAYCHECK!!!!

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

jayla says

Great! I'll be paying for my own healthcare, as well as my childs, and the rest of the country! I'm so excited!!! *sarcasm* Guess I'll have to get a 2nd or 3rd job just for that.

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Susan2 says

Our ONLY saving grace BESIDES The Senate saving America, is that The HealthKill Bill is Unconstitutional!
Lawyers are going to court on the issue as soon as it really passes.

I wish I knew how many people reading this DIDN'T KNOW that it doesn't take effect until 2013. (Obama doesn't want it to ruin his second attempt at overthrowing America) YET we start paying for it IMMEDIATELY!!!

If you didn't know the healthcare doesn't take effect until 2013 you have been way to ignorant to be allowed any say in the issue. If you think anything is free from the government then you MUST be watching channel 6, 8, 13, CNN, or MSNBC to get your news!

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

mad dad says

Only passed by 5 votes, big majority there!!!! Another government program to join others as a big give away social program that will cost trillions of dollars we don't have. We don't have to worry about foreign enemies, we are destroying ourselves from within.

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Susan2 says

It calls for: (As Seen on Huckabee last night....)

1. NO Charter schools - because kids get an education there and they will know that the people who did this were freakin fools!

2. No Homeschooling! They want control of your EVERY action!

3. The INTERNATIONAL Courts will tell you how to raise your kids and set the law for consequences! They come INTO your house and check on YOU!!!

So there's NO Torte Reform
Congress and Senate doesn't have to have the same LOUSY insurance! What's that tell you!!!
Wait until the Democraps thinking they will get free healthcare get their MANDATORY Healthcare Bill!!! Fill up the prisons with people who won't buy it! Fine everyone poor or send them to jail too!!

I'm 55 so I have to now die of something that could have been cured ... thanks Liberal losers!
Don't start whining when your forced to wear a Burkka with Chinese slippers, and forced to eat Taco's!!! It's either Muslims, Chinese or Mexicans that will overtake our country.

Goodbye America you were once loved and cherished by us Patriots but now you have been overthrown by trailer-trash. Forgive them for they know not what they do because they are ignorant slugs.

I have no doubt there are many more losses to our freedom. Hail Commandant!

Time For The R3volution!!!

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

normbl says

I guess the American people don't count anymore, majority of which do not want this plan. I spoke to a Health care individual and she was terrified that this would pass.
Listen to us, we do not need a 1990 page bill full of special interest to be signed into law.
Our children will be strapped with this for all their lives.

I will not vote for anyone in my district that voted for this bill, in fact the entire Congress should go and we need to start with new people.

They caved to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. How Sad.

Posted 1 week ago (permalink)

Gregg says

The government now runs health care for veterans. When a vet has to wait a year for treatment or to even see a doctor, it should be obvious that this is what will be in store for the rest of us. I've seen first hand what socialized medicine does in Canada. It's not pretty or something any of us would want for ourselves. With faults, we have the greatest health care system in the world. Under rationed health care, our options will certainly be curtailed. The lawyers who we see incessantly on TV, pleading their case to sue this pharmaceutical company, health care facility or industry, in order to stuff their own pockets, have been given a reward in this bill preventing States from passing laws that would address Tort reform. I can't help but wonder what back room deals were made to have this issue added to Madam Pelosi's bill. We can only hope that the Senate will have enough time to really read this 2000+ page work of pork and digest it. It was rushed through without being read or understood by most who blindly voted for it, because of the us verses them, prevailing attitudes. I'm sure that once even the most liberal of senators fully understands what Madam Pelosi just crammed through The House, they will have second thoughts. Yesterday, certainly was not the finest hour for the House.

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Old Bill says

This vote only proves one thing; that there are a lot of lemmings in the House, all following Pelosi.
"The democracy will cease to exist when the government takes from those who would work and gives to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson.

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tron says

Hate to burst your bubble old bill, but it looks like the lemmings are on the other side following John Boehner. If you'll notice the final vote some Democrats voted against this bill, yet virtually all the Republicans goosed step with Rep Boehner and voted against. So who accurately defines the lemming analogy?

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rstonge says

Fact check: "yet virtually all the Republicans goosed step with Rep Boehner and voted against. " is completely false. Rep. Anh Cao of Louisiana a Republican that vote with the Democrats. So "virtually all" is false.

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tron says

According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary on line

virtually
1 : almost entirely : nearly
2 : for all practical purposes

So you see,rstonge, the since ONE republican voted for the bill, VIRTUALLY all the republicans goosed stepped with Rep Boehner. So, you see, the fact is that I was correct and like a typical right wing wacko you failed miserably again to make any correct point.

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rstonge says

all -pronoun :
a) the whole quantity or amount: He ate all of the peanuts. All are gone.
b) the whole number; every one: all of us.
c) everything: Is that all you want to say? All is lost.

not all since one did not it is not a whole.

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to be or not says

All I can say is we will see what happens .dont cut medacare !!!!!!![[[STOP WASTE AND NO ILEAGLES HIRE PEOPLE TO W WATCH FRAUD OF COMPANYS BILLING MEDACARE FOR NOTHING]]]] give back the raise for the elderly Please Pres Obama/Collins/Snowee.they need it .ALSO TAKE AWAY THE RAISE MAINE LAW MAKERS TOOK LAST SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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robert says

I have the misfortune of reading your pathetically myopic and misguided views of politics, country and fellow citizens. All you done is give such superficial and unfounded reasons for why you believe things should happen. If "this is what's going to happen" can you explain why the republicans won the last round of elections in NJ VA etc? This health care nightmare of a bill will kill small business and will force people to stand up because the politicans are not listening to the will of the people. Your forum name is exactly what this country is. I'm amazed how the lemmings of this country are willingly leaping off the edge.

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the_poorman says

Conservative projection example: "lemmings of this country are willingly leaping off the edge." Yep Republicans will blindly follow Rush wherever he leads them without question. Congrats on making the point better than anyone else - Republicans are unthinking morons who believe whatever they are told by Rush or Fox. Pathetic. This is why Republicans have been spanked so emphatically in the last few election cycles - more and more people realize they are just loud mouthed idiots.

Any problem that can't be solved with taxcuts, republicans pretend doesn't exist.

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Lil says

Republicans won the last round of elections? How about that NY-23? Or the California special election? Wow, the repubs picked up 2 governors, who, by the way, have no vote on health care, cap and trade, etc... Dems pick up to congressmen who CAN! But, as always, that's good news for republicans!
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the_poorman says

Awesome - cue up whining Republicans, who the American public overwhelmingly rejected last fall asap. The Republicans when in complete powerfor 6 years from 2000 - 2006 never passed a single piece of legislation like this, i.e. designed to help Americans live better lives.

Bleat all you want Gil - you got pwn3d!!!!!!!!!! And it will happen over and over in the coming years as Republicans are as popular as yeast infections.

Any problem that can't be solved with taxcuts, republicans pretend doesn't exist.

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maineguy207 says

You need to stop being so ignorant!!!! Listen to yourself.......... Who will pay for this??????? Do you feel everyone deserves goverment healthcare???????? Where is the money coming from?????????? I think we have enough social programs going already.... GET A JOB!!!!!

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