During the election season, I found myself cringing at the terrible language in the letters printed in the Sun Journal from individuals opposed to gay marriage. I read letters that described homosexuality as perverse, immoral, against God's design, etc. On Nov. 9, William Van Tassel wrote, "The gay marriage movement has everything to do with individual and familial dysfunction ..." David Gilchrist, in a letter Oct. 28, wrote, "... Homosexual marriage is the bastardization of the law of God ..." Yes on 1 centered its arguments on the children of this state. I must ask, what kind of example was set for the children by publicly using spiteful language?
To me, it is impossible to separate religious conviction and the Yes on 1 campaign. I have the utmost respect for the religious folks who recognized that everyone has civil rights, and I applaud them, but I am disturbed by those individuals who do not recognize that fact.
I am disturbed by those individuals who use fear to control public dialogue.
I am disturbed by those individuals who don't recognize that there is a separation of church and state for a good reason.
I say it's time to say no to fear. I say it's time to say no to irrationality. Most importantly, I say it's time to say no to the religious right that wants others to be controlled by their religious beliefs, which not all of us share.
No to fear. Yes to reason.
Matthew D. Pettengill, Portland
verified Great letter Matthew! I LOVE it!
"Government is prohibited from establishing a "State" religion and from making laws that prevent people from exercising their religious beliefs. It DOES NOT prevent religious people from participating in government." Strawman alert. jchick is at it again. Now no one will convince him/her to use reason as the author of the letter suggests. No one including jefferson has ever argued that religious people should not participate in government except religious people. Some religious groups think that participation in government is to worldly. But chick is trying to sell what only the extreme far-right religious groups try to sell. That government should follow religious law whether it be sharia or old testament. Rev. Emrich, Republican Senate Chief of Staff, Jeramiah Project leader, and Pastor is such a theocrat as jchick is. They wish to imprison all of us in an out-dated, dysfunctional, irrational set of eternally true and immutable laws which they are right no in the process of changing (see Conservapedia project to re-write the bible by removing "liberal" concepts like charity).
No respectable politician or lawyer has every supported jchick's mis-interpretation of the 1st Amendment. This is strictly an invention of a right wing nut who has spent his career inventing quotes from Jefferson and writing books that have to be re-written because fact-checking the book discovers that almost nothing in the book is true. First of all "establishment" here means building (the definition in 1759 and usage then referred to a tavern or building) not "to create" which gives the clause much wider meaning than just create a state religion.
Jon Albrecht Dixfield
That is not what I said Jon. Don't put words in my mouth.
You are the one distorting the meaning of words. Establishment, like so many other words in the English language, can mean many things depending on the context in which it is used. But you know that. In the case of the 1st Amendment, the word "establishment" means "The act of establishing; a ratifying or ordaining; settlement; confirmation." that much is pretty clear from the context. All anyone has to do is look up any comentary on the Bill of Rights and/or the First Amendment to see how you completely distort its meaning.
The letter in which Jefferson mentions the "wall of separation" between Church and State is not a contrived quote. It is available online at the Library of Congress and numerous other web sites that are dedicated to preserving his writtings. His letter was in response to a letter from the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
John A. Chick
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)
"Yes to reason" Absolutely right, which is why the Yes vote carried on election day.
"Reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. " Pirate
The parrot noticed that Mr. Pettingill used the word "I" eleven times. Also, that he was disturbed by too many things. Attitude adjustment is in order. The votes have been counted, Yes on 1 won. Let's move on.
2Co 7:1
Paul exhorts the Corinthians to purity of life
1 Having therefore these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
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Traditional Christianity held statements attributed to St. Paul in I Timothy 2--that women were created second, sinned first, and should keep silence--were the universal consensus of the early Church.
Now does that still float??
Not if you don't want to make an arse of yourself.
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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.
You must have missed the comments from No on 1. From vocalizing hopes that only once the elderly are gone that homosexuality will be accepted, to the the continuous use of the term bigot, and assumptions and finger pointing, the No on 1 people behaved no better.
One you fulfill the definition of bigot, it's yours. Embrace it, since you live it.
Marriage is not a civil right.
And you will not find the phrase "separation of church and state" anywhere in our founding documents. It is a phrase Thomas Jefferson used to assure people that the government had no authority to tell people what to believe.
The first amendment begins: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
Government is prohibited from establishing a "State" religion and from making laws that prevent people from exercising their religious beliefs. It DOES NOT prevent religious people from participating in government.
John A. Chick
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)
Well said, MR. Chick.
Fear has historically been an integral part of religion. By the application of fear, Churches have been able to abuse power, manipulate behavior, coerce the transfer of wealth from both poor and rich to its own coffers, and psychologically harm untold millions of unwitting and susceptible victims.
I can't imagine that this is what a loving God intended.
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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.
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