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Obama manipulating the nation

Jared Bristol
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Friday, November 20, 2009 at 3:03 am

Here's how I'm feeling today ...

I believe President Barack Obama instructed his attorney general, Eric Holder, to bring the 9/11 conspirators to New York for trial. The country should be outraged.This was done on purpose. Where's Obama? In Japan. On purpose. The timing is convenient. (He was out of town on 9/12 as well.) He can disavow it, you see. "Holder did it." In the bargain, he can also create yet another "crisis" to divert the public's attention — divide and conquer.

More diversions are imminent — cap and trade, the one-world government treaty conference in Copenhagen on Dec. 7, health care, Afghanistan delay in troops — you name it, he is manipulating it.

These manufactured crises are exactly what Obama wants to get the American people trying to deal with so many threats that they cannot effectively deal with any of them. The public is overwhelmed. On purpose.

With Holder out there touting that he has such faith in the nation's justice system to bring in the proper verdicts, did anyone else but me start feeling outraged? Why even take the risk of giving those vermin a jury? Remember, a jury exonerated O.J. Simpson. 

The American people are in such trouble.

I could go on and on about each of those threats, of course, as I'm sure most people could as well. So, I wonder how other people are feeling? I'm almost maniacal.

May God help us.

Jared Bristol, Hebron

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He's went to Japan???

By Melissa Dunn, verified user — Sat, 11/21/2009 - 03:11

He's went to Japan??? Far-fetched conspiracy theory... psycho!!!

Pirate's picture
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He's did go to Japan. Him's

By Paul St. Jean, verified user — Sat, 11/21/2009 - 10:00

He's did go to Japan. Him's back now, us think.

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God I really didn't want to

By Melissa Dunn, verified user — Sun, 11/22/2009 - 03:16

God I really didn't want to do this...

I have to be more specific apparently. Sarcasm in response to "Where's Obama? In Japan. On Purpose"

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The only thing I see wrong

By 98civb18c, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 20:53

The only thing I see wrong with having a fair jury trial is the jury. I dont think anywhere in America you could find enough people for a jury that dont already have an opinion on the terrorist's guilt. Any lawyer will drag this trial out for years costing America millions of dollars. Another thought what will happen to the terrorist if they are released on the streets of New York. I dont fear that they will walk around to long but what message does that send to the world

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Strange how so many

By RpsNoMore, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 19:45

Strange how so many Republicans were on the record in the 1990's saying how New York City was the right place to hold terror trials. For Republicans the only thing that ever matters is their fetish for their own party. Military tribunals would actually present a much greater risk of acquittal. Republicans conveniently forget that the track record of terrorist convictions in our Federal Courts is very good. Plus, why not show the world that America is actually a tough nation and won't be intimidated, we'll bring the mastermind of the 911 attack right back to the scene and try him. That's toughness. Republicans are not only irrational, they are cowards.

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Auburn Patriot writes, "My

By Paul St. Jean, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:47

Auburn Patriot writes, "My biggest concern is with my fellow Americans believing that these people are not worthy of the same "unalienable rights...that all men are created equal" as our own people."
Is the Patriot referring to the same "unalienable rights" that these ungodly, unwashed heathen bestowed upon the 3000 Americans that were massacred on 9-11-01? Those rights?
And, you really upset the parrot...he happens to be one of those "goony" Fox News viewers. He had a name for you that made goony look like a compliment.

Fear not the enemy at the gate, for it is the enemy within that will devour you.

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If we compromise our

By Rinoblast, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 17:35

If we compromise our democratic principals and refuse these men their right to a fair trial where the crime was committed, we give their supporters more ammunition of "American hypocrisy," and in affect (and I know it's become a superfluous statement by now, but I mean it in all seriousness) the terrorists have won. They beat us. Game over. We might as well become a police state. It's just like how if a Neo-Nazi wants to hold a rally, we have to let them. We can;t compromise our values just because we don't like someone.

On another note, if a German citizen murders a man on US soil, is he not granted a fair trial in the place where the crime occurred? This is no different.

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AP, many good points! I have

By JohnBerry, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 14:45

AP, many good points! I have faith in our justice system and I think that a fair and public trial for these savages will show the world what a deluded and hateful bunch they are. Our system is strong enough to try them, our people are intelligent enough to judge them, and our prisons are secure enough to hold them and segregate them and their evil not only from the public but also from other prisoners. In many ways we should not fear what they may do while incarcerated in our prisons, we should fear what might be done to them. Odd as it may sound, I am sure that we have inmates who would like to take revenge for 9-11. They may be criminals but they are our criminals ; )
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"By contrast, there is no

By Mark Wrenn, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 13:30

"By contrast, there is no question about the legitimacy of U.S. federal courts to incapacitate terrorists. Many of Holder's critics appear to have forgotten that the Bush administration used civilian courts to put away dozens of terrorists, including "shoe bomber" Richard Reid; al-Qaeda agent Jose Padilla; "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh; the Lackawanna Six; and Zacarias Moussaoui, who was prosecuted for the same conspiracy for which Mohammed is likely to be charged. Many of these terrorists are locked in a supermax prison in Colorado, never to be seen again." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/19/AR200911...
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If I'm not mistaken, they

By Paul St. Jean, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:12

If I'm not mistaken, they were all Americans, except for Moussaoui. That makes a big difference.

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Reality, Reality, Reality.

By candiceanne, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:25

Reality, Reality, Reality. 9/11, 9/11, 9/11. World Trade Center, World Trade Center, World Trade Center. Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta. Chicago, Chicago, Chicago.

Never have prisoners of war been held on US soil with the exception of the civil war and then most where on prison islands off the coast such as Ft. Jefferson on Garden Key, Dry Tortagus, 70 miles from Key West, Florida. Even during the Revolutionary War, prisoners of war where kept on prison ships. You do not host your enemy among your people. You do not try war crimes in civil courts.

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"Never have prisoners of war

By Old Bill, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 17:30

"Never have prisoners of war been held on US soil with the exception of the civil war and then most wher on prison islands off the coast such as Ft. Jefferson on Garden Key, Dry Tortagus, 70 miles from Key West, Florida." Your history is faulty. In WWII, German POWs were held on US soil. In fact. there were prison camps in northern Maine. The prisoners in Maine were used to harvest lumber.
"The democracy will cease to exist when the government takes from those who would work and gives to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson.

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What an astounding lack of

By JohnBerry, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 14:31

What an astounding lack of historical fact and perspective. If you got this very large and easily investigated point wrong you should ask (as a thoughtful and reflective person) what else have I gotten wrong?
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Candiceanne writes: "Never

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:53

Candiceanne writes: "Never have prisoners of war been held on US soil with the exception of the civil war "

You're full of it as a Christmas Goose.

German POW's from WW-II were held right here in Maine, along with a number of other states.

When are you going to start dealing with the truth rather than lies, emotion and fear-monngering??

http://allthingsmaine.blogspot.com/2006/10/camp-houlton.html

"Camp Houlton

German POWs were held in several Maine locations during World War II. Camp Houlton, built on the site of a U.S. Army airfield, was the main site.
The former German POW camp is on the grounds of the town's industrial park. The camp was operational from 1944 to 1946 and once housed thousands of prisoners who picked potatoes, chipped ice and harvested wood to support the Allied troops.

Today, there are just a few relics on the site - mostly concrete foundations that once supported the buildings. A World War II airport control tower, one of the few still standing, is also in the park. [Link]
Branch camps were started at Stark, N.H., Caribou, Seboomook, Spencer Lake (south of Jackman), Presque Isle, Bangor, and Augusta, also at Princeton, Baileyville, Crawford, Dyer Township, and Talmadge in Washington County. POWs in Northern Maine helped with the potato harvest, as these photos from the Maine Memory Network show. In other locations they worked in lumber camps and on road crews. Some prisoners were allowed to take extension and correspondence courses through the University of Maine.

Former POW Hans Kreuger recalled his limited interaction with the townsfolk of Houlton:
There hardly was any direct contact with individual townspeople. Main contacts were, when the POW's were transported to and from. their jobs by open truck through the Town of Houlton. As it is often, when you have a bunch of people together [like POW's who had a kind of happy disposition] they would joke from the truck, make comments or gestures, - especially towards girls. Very often, you got a smile back, or people would wave back, - or others would just ignore the passing truck with a bunch of POW's. However, we never ever noted any hate or condemnation on the part of Houlton people. I personally think, that they are in Houlton, - as all over the United States, - good people, who think fair and are outgoing and friendly. [Link]
Kreuger could remember no escapes from Camp Houlton, but prisoners were known to walk away from the branch camps. One POW, Heinz Jacob, had escaped from Fort Devens in Massachusetts in 1944, and was captured on Boston Common by the FBI after the girl he had arranged to meet turned him in. He tried to escape twice more without success, the third time from the camp at Spencer Lake. He was picked up by a border patrol inspector within a day.

Four POWs returned in 2003 to share memories of their days in Maine. Students at Caribou Regional Technology Center produced a film about their visit called Don't Fence Me In, which was broadcast on MPBN stations in 2004."

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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Veritas speaks the truth

By Paul St. Jean, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:59

Veritas speaks the truth with accuracy. My father was stationed in Houlton as an MP during WWII. They guarded over the German prisoners in the potato fields during the workday. Not aware that any of them were ever tried in U.S. civil courts, though.

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Very well said, I withdraw

By Gil, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:48

Very well said, I withdraw my earlier "door" comment.
"Reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. " Pirate

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Gil; Sorry, Lad - you didn't

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:58

Gil;

Sorry, Lad - you didn't catch me the other night. http://www.sunjournal.com/node/511012/

Poor reading comprehension on your part.

I had already written that they had indicated that they may want to plead.

But a plea doesn't occur until the judge accepts it. He didn't.

So they couldn't have 'Plead'

You were hoist on your own petard!!!

Now go find some work......

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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Reality check - they are NOT

By Mark Wrenn, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:34

Reality check - they are NOT prisoners of war, remember? Cause you can't torture prisoners of war, that would be a war crime.
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"So, I wonder how other

By Unfonanvamp, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:24

"So, I wonder how other people are feeling?" - I feel it is time you adjust your tinfoil hat.

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"The Prisoners will be set

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:08

"The Prisoners will be set Free!! They will be released among us and wreak havoc!! Our Legal system can't handle it!!!"

Brought to you by the same group of fear-mongers that brought us:

"Saddam aided the terrorists on 9/11! Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction! Saddam has an advanced program of Nuclear Weapons!"

Now there's some real credibility for you.............

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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What makes me woozy is

By Mike LeBlanc, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 09:17

What makes me woozy is contemplating the real liberal subtext of this issue. You couldn't care less about KSM or the American legal system. You want to put on trial the usual suspects who have always caused you to leave nasty deposits in your Depends: Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, ... Before you and the ACLU get finished, you'll give the terrorists a ticker-tape parade and send them back to butcher again.

Lil, I'll take my bunker every time over your asylum.

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"Bush, Cheney, Halliburton,"

By Mark Wrenn, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:25

"Bush, Cheney, Halliburton," if they didn't do anything wrong, they have nothing to hide, right?
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Lil's 'Asylum' appears to

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:10

Lil's 'Asylum' appears to have a much better track record than your 'Bunker,' Archie.....

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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Funny how conservatives get

By Mark Wrenn, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 08:30

Funny how conservatives get all woozy and wet their pants at the thought of the American legal system doing its job. Why do you hate America? "Where's Obama? In Japan. On purpose." Yes, on purpose. I think Air Force One probably uses gps. "the one-world government treaty", not until after the dollar is replaced! "I'm almost maniacal." You've passed that point. Now, back to your bunker and watch out for the black helicopters.
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"The thought of the American

By Paul St. Jean, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:06

"The thought of the American legal system doing its job"? Trying terrorists whose sole purpose in life is to die for Allah killing Americans, in civil courts on American soil with all the rights of American citizens, is "the legal system doing its job"? Come on Lil; even you aren't that blind.

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President Obama is pressing

By candiceanne, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 07:51

President Obama is pressing to close Gitmo. He is also causing terrorists currently housed at Gitmo to be tried, against the will of the Govenor and People of New York, in public civilian courts in New York City by jury trial. Disgraceful and disrespectful! Outrageous!

The Obama Administration is seeking to release several Gitmo detainees without trial. Gratefully these terrorists are still at Gitmo or, without a doubt, they would be free, roaming the United States among our citizens as they chose to commit more acts of terrorism. No one wants these people, they have been refused entry to there nation or origin even. If they were being held on US soil they would have been freed under US law within our boarders since the government has decided not to proscecute.

Obama is looking to move ALL Gitmo detainees to US soil. That will entitle them to ALL the protections of US law icluding reasonable bail, speedy trial, immediate release if found not guilty and after serving time if found guilty immediate release which will set them free in the United States, among US citizens to commit and incite more acts of terrorism.

I oppose bringing terrorists onto American soil. I oppose trying terrorists in civilian courts; they belong before a military tribunal for these crimes. I oppose releasing terrorists among the US population before, during or after trial and/or serving time. This is a dangerous game of Russian Roulette Mr, Obama is playing with the life of every American.

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Jared, CandiceAnn, and

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 10:58

Jared, CandiceAnn, and MomofTwo -

Bush established Gitmo because he feared the U.S. Constitution and sought an "End Around" play to avoid it.

And your reasons for hating the U.S. Constitution???

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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I seek enlightment...where

By Paul St. Jean, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:10

I seek enlightment...where does the U.S. Constitution grant enemy combatants civil trials on U.S. soil in times of war?
BTW--How've you been Veritas?

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I've been good. BTW - Got

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:13

I've been good.

BTW - Got the background on "Enemy Combatants".....

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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Wasn't "enemy combatants"

By Mark Wrenn, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:22

Wasn't "enemy combatants" Bush-speak for evading obligations under the Geneva Convention and that torture agreement Reagan signed?
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For Pirate and Lil Go to the

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:46

For Pirate and Lil

Go to the internet on that one - it's gone back and forth as far as al Qaeda and the Taliban goes.

But fore the purposes of what we're discussing here - the 'Military Commissions" Vs. Civilian Court - the deciding factor is the Supreme Court Decision: Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U.S. 557 (2006),

It appears when congress passed the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, which authorized the Military Commisions, it also included language which prohibited detainees the right of habeas corpus; in effect, denying them the right to have any of their proceedings appealed at the appellate level or Supreme Court.

Hamdan v. Rumsfeld overturned the Detainee Treatment Act as Unconstitutional, and as a result, Military Commissions are no longer being held.

So where do you try these people? In the jurisdiction where the crime occured, by the proper authority. That leaves Federal Court in the District for New York.

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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There is one more defendant,

By Mark Wrenn, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 12:31

There is one more defendant, Mohammed Kamin. There was a hearing yesterday at Guantanamo.
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Jared Bristol...YOU ARE NOT

By MomOfTwo, unverified — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 07:35

Jared Bristol...YOU ARE NOT ALONE!! You have put my feelings onto paper.

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"Fear, Fear, Fear!!!!" The

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:00

"Fear, Fear, Fear!!!!"

The Cheney/Bush Administration taught you well.

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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