Bates Mill No. 5 eyed for Lewiston casino

LEWISTON — Lewiston city councilors met behind closed doors in a 40-minute session Tuesday to consider a proposal to build a casino on the property at Bates Mill No. 5 after the mill is razed, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.

Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Bates Mill No.5 is scheduled to be demolished next year.

Bates Mill No. 5

Location of Bates Mill No. 5

In the meeting with councilors and Mayor Larry Gilbert were acting City Administrator Phil Nadeau and Finance Director Dick Metivier. The council took no action after the meeting and Nadeau said he did not anticipate any.

Nadeau earlier confirmed the executive session was set up to discuss a proposal for the 8-acre property, which is the portion of the Bates Mill complex on Lincoln Street closest to Main Street.

Nadeau would say only that proposals by some individuals interested in the land were to be discussed; he declined to comment on details.

The council's agenda listed the session only as "real estate negotiations."

Another city official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the negotiations involved an offer from a local businessman that includes the city selling him an option on the land for potential casino development. That option would allow the proponent to gather signatures for a statewide referendum on allowing the casino.

Former City Councilor Stavros Mendros was also seen at City Hall on Tuesday.

Mendros worked on the last casino ballot initiative in Maine, organizing the gathering of voter signatures. That measure, launched by Rumford-area lawyer Seth Carey and backed by a Nevada gambling company, was defeated in November 2008.

Like the measure coming to voters next year, it would have sited a privately owned casino in Oxford County.

Also at the meeting Tuesday was Peter Martin, a principal with Black Bear Entertainment, the proponent of the current Oxford County ballot measure.

The first likely chance for a statewide vote on a Lewiston casino wouldn't be until 2011, according to both casino advocates and opponents, because the January deadline for ballot initiatives is fast approaching and gathering the more than 50,000 voter signatures needed to put the measure on the ballot would likely take more time than that.  

A prominent Maine businessman also told the Sun Journal on Tuesday that he had been approached about two months ago by an intermediary for a group of Lewiston-based investors who were interested in building a casino on the site of the former textile mill.

That individual said he declined involvement in the group, not because he was for or against the idea, but because he was too busy with other ventures. He said the idea made sense to him, given the ongoing redevelopment efforts in Lewiston.

Former Lewiston City Administrator Jim Bennett said Tuesday it would not surprise him that a push for a casino at the mill property was being presented. He said several members of the council had pitched the idea to him in the past.

Bennett said he disagreed with them over the economic benefits a casino would bring to the city, so they stopped discussing the idea with him.

"I told them I didn't think a casino was all it was cracked up to be for a be-all, end-all for economic development," he said.

Those attending the closed-door meeting declined to comment afterward.

Sun Journal staff writer Scott Taylor contributed to this report.

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queenhoneeybee's picture
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I wonder when they tear down

I wonder when they tear down the building-what happens for them to take the precautions about the asbestos???

"Small minds discuss people, Average minds discuss events, Great minds discuss ideas"~E. Roosevelt

johnshaven's picture

On Dec. 14th DOT has

On Dec. 14th DOT has scheduled another public hearing on their state rail plan, where they will again attempt to publicly justify their bigotry toward the voters of Lewiston and Auburn.

LewistonNative...'s picture
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I, for one am not going to

I, for one am not going to complain about a possible 800 new jobs in the L/A community, property taxes and other associated taxes. Also, apparently I am the only one who has faith in the officers of Lewiston and Auburn to not let crime rate increase. To those who complain about those "addicted" to gambling, I see no difference in going to a casino then paying 5-10 dollars for a lottery ticket at the local store. Yet, we still have the Maine Lotto and such.

sthistle's picture
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I set up a non-scientific

I set up a non-scientific poll for folks who would like to vote. 

http://twtpoll.com/kuaxol

MichaelRainbow's picture

A casino in Lewiston. Can't

A casino in Lewiston. Can't wait to hear about all the BS and red tape that will follow this one. Never mind a strip club or a new liquor license club but a casino ? Do not waste everyone's time please.

candiceanne's picture

Why not save no 5 as

Why not save no 5 as historic building and convert it into the casino instead of going to the expense of knocking it down and building solmething that does not fit in with the rest of the local architecture?

Hymn's picture
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Candice Please be real. The

Candice Please be real. The building is crap. It needs to go. Even a park would be better then that ugly dinosaur.

Rinoblast's picture

Where were you on this

Where were you on this debate over the last two years? Mill #5 has been commitee-d to death, and the results are always the same: The building is in shambles, literally. Concrete regularly falls off the walls, and to walk in it you need a hard hat. There has yet to be a developer step forward who says they'll pony up the cash to preserve the building. There is more value to the land as an empty lot than an albatross. And for the record, it's not THAT historic. Sometimes I feel like we believe we're more important here in Lewiston than we actually are.

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candiceanne's picture

Yes but that is how things

Yes but that is how things are done in Maine, preserve the unpreservable, keep every square inch "pristine," no development, don't allow anything that might mean someone will get paid and pay taxes whether they are local people or people moving in who will buy the distressed property and do business with the businesses already here most importantly pay taxes not collect welfare.

FeloPrergoHok's picture

Here is what Casinos bring:

Here is what Casinos bring: Increased crime; increased traffic accidents including fatalities; increased incidents of illegal drug abuse; increased drunk driving incidents; increased problems with gambling addictions; the poor getting poorer because a large percentage of gamblers are poor; broken families, and on and on. Ask the poor mother with children whose husband gambled the month's check away within two hours as the casino.
States who have gambling voted in were told that the education funding problems would dissipate yet they have the same old problems.

Centarie2000's picture
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Bangor Baldacci will never

Bangor Baldacci will never allow it. How many times has Oxford County and various Native American tribes tried to build? Baldacci has already promised that he'd veto any competition to The Queen City's casino...i mean Hollywood Slots off track racino with thousands of slot machines, and soon to be added card tables.

ferryd's picture

All you people have are

All you people have are opinions!! Where are your facts about the quality of life in areas where casinos are built??? I'm not worried about other people becoming gambling addicts because I'm not other people!!

TimmyD's picture

Wouldn't this need to be

Wouldn't this need to be voted on?

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Awesome – Now we can

Awesome – Now we can create about 800 jobs that out-of-staters will come up and steal, which will result in us having to build more subsidized housing…for the out-of-staters to steal… Our crime will go up, our quality of life will go DOWN (if it can get any worse) and all of our respectable residents will move away.

Just look at Uncasville. The area surrounding Mohegan Sun is an effing PIT

Forfun's picture

My Somalian friends can

My Somalian friends can hardly wait for their casino to be build. America is great!

lead dog's picture
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The area surrounding most

The area surrounding most casinos is a pit. Casinos didn't save Atlantic City. I don't know anyone from Ledyard who has anything good to say about Foxwoods. Casinos bring gambling addicts to a community. Gambling addicts are broke, desparate people. Is that who we want moving into Lewiston? Or Oxford?

Centarie2000's picture
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Ya, Bangor is such a hole

Ya, Bangor is such a hole now! They have such a high rate of crime and poverty and Lewiston is such an untarnished gem. Ever drive to Foxwoods? The surrounding community is such a trash strewn shambles.

007's picture

Hmmmm, A new city

Hmmmm, A new city administrator from Bangor and now a possible Casino for Lewiston. I see an International Jet Port in Auburn,removal of all dams on the Androscoggin and joint services with Brewer....ooops, I mean Auburn. I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see REAL changes for the good. A new council and a new city admin is the fresh blood we need. Good job!!

bud aiken's picture

mendros involved......wow

mendros involved......wow the city should run from that deal. Everytime he's invoved in something there is some kind of scam going on. He must be leading the lambs to slaughter on this one. Interesting to see what is going to happen, the Oxford Proposal will be decided first. They win, Lewsiston looses, they loose the public will have had enough and Lewiston looses again. It is a no win for Lewiston along with Mendros and his cronies.

to be or not's picture

Your like a lot of town in

Your like a lot of town in ;mass; tear it down .all the people down and out.fix it up .Dou you know how many jobs this would creat Resulting in new taxes/money comming into auburn/leweston/.all I CAN SAY WHAT A DAMM SHAME TAKEING IT DOWN......

Centarie2000's picture
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This is Maine. Here, we

This is Maine. Here, we punish the local VFW for holding a cribbage tournament without a gaming license. We tell some Native American tribes that they can't have gambling on their own land, yet allow another to have high stakes bingo. We let one town have an off track betting facility with thousands of slot machines and soon to be added card tables (the law is being altered to allow the "small business" to expand), yet no other town can consider it.

Forfun's picture

Your paper mills and shoe

Your paper mills and shoe making companies are really pulling the load for employed people aren't they? Your biggest employees are defense contracts and destinations for immigrants from Africa and Mexico.

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