RUMFORD — Black Mountain of Maine ski resort got an early Christmas present Thursday from Oxford County Superior Court Justice Robert W. Clifford: $51,000 that had been held up since mid-October by a lawsuit against the town.
Clifford ruled against plaintiffs Alan Gerace, Frank DiConzo, Paul Lowell, Selectman Mark Belanger and Ronald Theriault, saying Black Mountain didn't violate Rumford's charter as the five Rumford residents contended when resort officials used the petition process to circumvent their funding-request defeat at town meeting in June.
“Contrary to the contentions of the plaintiffs, the court concludes that the provisions of the Town Charter have been complied with, and that Article V, Section 6 allows the previous votes of the town to be reconsidered if there is a valid petition with the requisite number of signatures,” Clifford said in his ruling.
At the June 8 town meeting, 657 residents voted to give Black Mountain no money; 420 voted to give the resort $56,700; and 637 voted to give it $51,000.
“Even though more people voted for donating money to Black Mountain than against, because the third option — donating nothing — received the most votes, the request for funding was denied,” Clifford said.
Pursuant to Article V, Section 6 of the charter, Black Mountain supporters asked selectmen to call a special meeting, arguing that the lack of funding created a critical circumstance.
Selectmen decided otherwise and voted to deny the request.
Resort officials, following the charter, then submitted a petition signed by the required 500 voters, asserting the critical circumstance: Without the donation, they'd be forced to close Black Mountain.
They requested a special town meeting, which selectmen scheduled for Aug. 27. But the plaintiffs prevented that when they asked the court to intervene.
However, the court denied the request for a preliminary injunction against the town vote on the funding issue. In its Aug. 19 order, the court concluded that the vote should be preceded by a formal town meeting with notice to the public, a reading of the warrant and debate consistent with the charter.
That was done on Sept. 27. By a secret ballot vote on Oct. 13, a tally of 405-370 approved donating $51,000 to Black Mountain.
The town, however, couldn't give the resort the money until Justice Clifford ruled on the pending lawsuit.
In the second part of the court's decision, Clifford said the charter doesn't require a vote on whether there is a critical circumstance to be conducted separate and distinct from the vote on the funding itself.
“The one vote on the funding is all the charter requires,” he said. “Because that vote authorized the town to provide funding for Black Mountain, the complaint of the plaintiffs must be dismissed, and their request for relief denied.”
After learning this on Thursday, Rumford Town Manager Carlo Puiia was as elated as Black Mountain Board of Directors President Roger Arsenault.
“We've got a Christmas present for Black Mountain," Puiia said. "The judge ruled in favor of the town. The good thing is that the town is exonerated for following procedure.”
On Thursday morning while working to get the resort ready for its season opening the day after Christmas, Arsenault was dejected.
He'd called the Paris court to see whether a decision had been rendered and had learned court was closed for the holiday until next week.
“It broke my heart when I learned that this morning,” he said.
And then Puiia called with the news at about 3 p.m.
“It's behind us now,” Arsenault said. “The most important thing is the staff up here. It's taken the pressure off them. And financially, we're going to be getting a pretty hefty snow-making bill, so this is pretty timely."
“We basically held off spending any of the season pass money or any of the pre-sale money in the feeling that we weren't going to be open," he said.
Because the Town Office is closed for Christmas, Puiia said the money won't be released until Tuesday, Dec. 28. That didn't worry Arsenault.
“We got the green light now, so we're off and running,” he said.

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I meant armymom not T sorry ... are you on pills armymom..
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I can hardly wait for the SJ changeover when the gutless faceless anonymous posters will disappear and everyone will be accountable for what they say. You people make me sick.
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If people like "armymom", "Candice Ann", "watchdog" etc., really want people to listen to their ideas and opinions to effect change, making unrelated, snide remarks and insulting comments like those listed below, do not help your cause. Most people immediately turn you off and your good ideas fall on deaf ears. Or maybe you really don’t care and are more interested in wining the argument.
These comments were taken from this one, very short “discussion”. If I were to scour the SJ blogs for such, I could fill volumes.
F***ng Right! More of your tax dollars at work for BMOM.
The town of Rumford would not fall apart if this ski area were to close
Kevin you nitwit
the users shouldn't have a problem with picking up the tab for operating their luxury playground.
Black Mountain does nothing for the town of Rumford.
Rumford needs to get those "yahoo" selectmen out of office as well.
did I hear the sound of flourescent bulbs coming to life inside people's heads?
Taking money out of their pockets so a few selfish, greedy, SOBs can have their rich man's playground ticket for less well, that does make me very agree [sic]. Merry Christmas and hit a tree.
Use your head man for something other than a hat rack.
The library trustees cannot print money like your messiah OBAMA is to cover spending at will
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While we read SJ daily, we rarely comment. T’s comment necessitates the response of a neutral party. CandiceAnn has not been on since early November, she made it clear she wasn’t coming back, her sister told you she wasn’t coming back, her friends have said she isn’t coming back, insisting on making comments like this only reflects badly upon you, T and anyone else that does this.
The quotes you took out of context from Armymom, are just that quotes taken out of context. There are three common themes among these out of context quotes you took from a few of Armymom’s many eloquent, very informed, and informative postings which are always truthful, honest, and disclosing information that has been kept hush-hush. The first theme is making known what is not generally known but needs to be and should be, like that the town crew did BMOM’s blasting . These things have been kept hush-hush to control public opinion and voters. Secondly, she makes common sense statements that offend those who either have none or if people up there used common sense on the issue they would be raising all hell like and they would lose some benefit, and example pointing out the users of BMOM shouldn't have a problem with picking up the tab for operating their luxury playground. Thirdly, after repeatedly with the patience of Job explaining the circumstances in detail, like the library hours, she runs out of patience with someone like Kevin who either is or chooses to be stupid ignoring what she wrote inter-library loan courier deliveries to the library every weekday morning requiring the library be open and insisting the library didn’t have to be open in the morning the “mail” could go to the Town Office. Personally, we don’t know how she shows such patience explaining over and over as long as she does; must have been a great mom.
T, the Frank DiConzo’s (Watchdog) quotes even taken out of context make perfect sense and are absolutely true. “The town of Rumford would not fall apart if this ski area were to close.” Absolutely true, the town would gain with no more need to send the police there to deal with unruly snowmobilers, skiers, and drunks in the lodge or bar none of which pays taxes. The town would not be paying for blasting of ledge or housing coaches and skiers in out of town motels or feeding them during events. The town would not be paying for an ambulance to be on going their regularly when a skier falls, hits a tree or whatever, and they would not be sitting up there on standby for snowmobile hill climbs and “events” that only cost the town money. Frank could have gone so far as to say “The Town of Rumford would benefit if this ski area were to close.” As for “Black Mountain does nothing for the town of Rumford,” after thinking this over he is wrong on this, BMOM does do “something” for the town, it sucks it dry stealing from the poor to give to the rich and dipping into money that should be going to things like education. “Rumford needs to get those "yahoo" selectmen out of office as well,” this has been the rallying cry for years and is one of the reasons many of us leave Rumford. If Rumford had decent government there would be decent jobs, the community would not look like a slum, our children would stand a chance at getting a decent education, and there would be reasons for good people to stay.
T, people are reading Armymom, Watchdog, and writers like them. They are listening to CandiceAnn when she speaks at meetings and other settings; they are reading what is printed of what she has said in articles. People are reading, listening, paying attention, finding truth, and more and more are agreeing. We are almost 2 thousand miles away and we hear it from our River Valley friends and family on Facebook, MySpace, in emails, letters, and in our phone conversations. We also read it in the comments here. This very comment of yours tells us you know these people speak the truth, are getting the work out, and you are threatened by it.
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All I'm recommending is civility. Your reply, for the most part, was civil.
Whether you agree or not, when such comments as I pointed out are made, people are turned off to good ideas. Take or leave my advice, it's your choice...it's their choice. But, if they want to get things done, I'd take it.
Though I was born there, I don't live in Rumford and haven't for over 30 years. I am not threatened. I have no vested interest.
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Dialog involves a series of questions and answers, each delving further into a topic. A question/comment about hours leads to discussion about the inter-library loan program, which leads to discussion about its requirements, and then to discussion of other facilities that do not participate. It is all very logical and sequential. Your comment regarding someone having to constantly repeat the same answer is not relevant to what actually occurred. I am sure that your name-calling directed toward me was merely a reflection of insecurities you may have in communicating with someone who thinks things through, rather than making knee-jerk responses. If the discussion is too intense for you to follow, please do not participate. I do hate having to explain things out to people who are too lazy to think.
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Kevin, Armymom can't delve further into a topic with you cause even after explaining anythinig to you in the simplist terms you don't get it. She explained the personnel situation and the hours so simply an 8 year old would have understood. Yes she was very logical and sequential, so what happened on your end? She's had to repeat the answers over and over in various ways to try to find a way that is within your capacity to understanding. Obviously even after she digressed to extreme simplicity you still have no idea how many people are working at the library, how many hours it is open or about the Rumford Library's participation in the inter-library loan program. We didn't call you a name, we described your behavior and we didn't go near far enough at stupid. As for the discussion being too intense, hehehe, have you read Armymom's latest attempt to explain the library to you in terms and language at a level you might be able to grasp if you have achieved the mental capacity of a 3 to 5 year old? Nope it isn't us with the intensity issue, we understood it the first time around, suspect you may not get it even after a go at Armymom's latest attempt. Instead of trying to explain things to people who already understand them Kevin when you clearly do not, you might try stopping to think and remaining silent. Kevin, we are reminded of a wise saying, "Better to remain silent and appear stupid, than to speak and remove all doubt," in your case you shouldn't type either, silent and keystrokeless would be our advice, at least until after Feb 1 or all the quality contributors like Armymom leaves taking all the intelligent readers with them, which ever comes last.
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I am fully aware of the various positions at the library, and their functions. I was less than fully aware of the requirements of the Inter-Library Loan program, but through a long process, I have been able to glean the pieces that I was missing. It would seem that the Inter-Library Loan program, while valuable, forces libraries to make very tough decisions when budgets are cut. I would hope that those who complain that the library is closed on the weekends would come to understand why this decision was made.
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is not a lot of money. It shoudn't even be an issue. I think it's all a reaction caused by our economic
crisis. That people are looking for someone /something to blame . Some misguided folks blame Obama-- some immigrants -the list goes on.
Here in Rumford we have Black mtn. What could be more horrible than have a place where people could have fun. Doesn't the High School use BM
for students. Do sports bring something to a community? Could it be possible that some problem kid could really gain from a ski program. Why don't
we cancel High School Football or all Sports .... they wouldn't have to hire a coach . Think of all the money the town would save.
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comes at a cost. The schools pay for using. Again out of taxpayers pockets. Why don't you ask why they are being charged. They are for profit organization. It's poor management that has caused their problems. Libra made the mistake of allowing such a board to stay in tacked.
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half a day to ski at BM is $16.00 full day is $25.00 . To ski at Sunday River the cost is $70.00 and you have to buy a full day ticket.
I think BM prices are affordable. I think if the town gave BM 50 cents people would get mad. I still think it's not just about Black Mtn and the donation . I think people are lumping this issue with all the political issues like immigration , welfare ,social services.
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@Kevin....I really don't think the Librarian or The Board of Trustees would make such drastic cuts without there being budget cuts. Having the Library open is an important necessity to area students. If I were one of Rumford's tax payers, I would be livid knowing my tax dollars were going to Black Mountain. The town of Rumford would not fall apart if this ski area were to close as they cried they would without the money. The tax payers should not have had to give them any money. Black Mt. should have planned better when they did their little face lift. And where is the "critical circumstance"? Black Mountain does nothing for the town of Rumford. They have taken advantage of the taxpayers, used money that could have gone for real "critical circumstances". Rumford needs to get those "yahoo" selectmen out of office as well.
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I never said I didn't support the library. I just pointed out that the weekend cuts were a choice that they made, not something they were forced to do. I would rather see money go to the library than to an outside entity.
Did anyone else realize that during this financial crisis, BMOM spent money to blast ledge, expand trails, build a new timing shack, and convert the old lodge (which was full of code violations when it was closed) into waxing suites for skiers to rent? That sounds like much more than $51,000 worth of improvements, but they still couldn't open without the "gift" from Rumford.
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Take a guess who did the blasting for BMOM? HINT HINT it takes special training and licenses and their people didn't have them. Now wait, did I hear the sound of flourescent bulbs coming to life inside people's heads? Could it possible be? Were town employees used, at no charge to BMOM to do the blasting? F***ng Right! More of your tax dollars at work for BMOM. Want another shoker check out Black Mountain of Maine's 990 and docs http://www2.guidestar.org/organizations/55-0831957/black-mountain-maine.... to find out what they are really doing or at least what they are reporting.
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Pidacks and his crew and equipment removed 8,000 yards of ledge to widen the Nordic competition stadium by 75 feet to enable mass starts of 250 skiers, Arsenault said.
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I remember them discussing using the town workers, but at the last meeting, I thought I heard Roger Arsenault say housed someone else who did more than they had expected for the cut rate fee they paid. I may have remembered it wrong.
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I think the Library was never a priority to the town even before the downturn in the economy.
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The Library and Education left the priority list of Rumford along with Chishom's ownership of the mill and the exit of Research and Development in the late 70s.
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getting a break... I doubt it... sounds like sour grapes....
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Not in the sense that I am excluded due to income, far from it. My husband and I both have excellent incomes. If I wanted to ski, I would go to Sunday River, Sugarloaf, or Mt. Abram and pay my own way not expect the taxpayers of Rumford to subsidize my ticket. I do resent the fact a majority of the citizens of this community are forced to subsidize this luxury for the wealthier few while have no possibilty of participating. As I have stated before along with others, you won't see folks from Strathglass Park, Hancock Street, Waldo Street, Cumberland St., Falmouth St., and countless other streets in Rumford enjoying BMOM, they don't have the money for the clothing, equipment, or the subsidized ticket. The majority of Rumford citizens are struggling to keep a roof over their families heads, food on the table, and a warm coat on their kids backs. Taking money out of their pockets so a few selfish, greedy, SOBs can have their rich man's playground ticket for less well, that does make me very agree. Merry Christmas and hit a tree.
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I do agree that having grown up in Rumford that skiing was a rich mans sport. It was foreign to me. I use to ice skate.
I think today though its more accessible to all incomes and you don't have to drive far to get there . I would have no problem going to Black Mtn and trying something new- cross country skiing . Also don't they have tobogganing.
I think of Black Mtn as being an extension of Parks and recreation. Its important for a community to have a place to go. I don't see it as a rich mans playground . $51,000 is not a lot for what the community gets back .
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The Charter reads that the critical circumstance must be related to municipal affairs or the welfare if its citizens.
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"Special Town meetings shall be called by the Board of Selectpersons to fill vacancies in elective
offices as provided in Article XX of this Charter, and for no other purpose unless in the opinion of the
majority of the Board a critical circumstance exists relating to Town affairs or the welfare of its citizens
is deemed to be presented and which requires prompt action by the voters in special meeting."
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Yup, and not being able to get a subsidized ski ticket aint a critical circumstance. A busted fire truck, yes. A downed bridge, yes. A collapsed roof on town hall, yes. Not having subsidized ski tickets for the wealthier citizens in the area who can afford all that expensive equipment and clothing, NO
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Let the crying resume with the Doom and Gloom crowd. This lawsuit was yet another attempt to circumvent the voters and Town Charter of Rumford. This is further proof that a current and former selectman need to read (and more importantly, understand) the Town Charter that they claim to know so much about. Similar to the time these two illegally hired the town attorney to dissolve the volunteers on the Charter commission. Pathetic.
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Clifford ruled against plaintiffs Alan Gerace, Frank DiConzo, Paul Lowell, Selectman Mark Belanger and Ronald Theriault, saying Black Mountain didn't violate Rumford's charter as the five Rumford residents contended when resort officials used the petition process to circumvent their funding-request defeat at town meeting in June.
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From what I heard, both sides had really good arguments.
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"resort officials used the petition process to CIRUMVENT their funding-request DEFEAT at town meeting in June."
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At least we don't have to worry about it happening again. Thanks to the dilligence of the Selectmen and the voters in November, when the people vote NO next June, BMOM will NOT get another bite at the apple, PERIOD! That little inadvertent loophole, if it was there in the first place, (Maine so needs a municipal law judge not just someone who calls MMA to get the same thing the town was told) has been CLOSED!
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a picture of yourself rumforddude. Are you ashamed of what you look like or is it you don't want people to know who you really are? Unfortunately Judge Clifford must have went to MMA for guidance to render his decision. We know that this organization was wrong in the past and cost the towns monies and they've done it again to the tune of $51000.00. So if this decision was made in this manner then so be it. The $51000.00 could have been better used for new windows at the Library. I hope the people do the right by the town again when June roles around.
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So Frank now that you lost and cost the tax payers money for legal fees. Are you going to pay them back? Your group should pay back EVERY dime you cost us tax paying citizens. Remember the recount?? Pay us back for your arrogant ignorance!! Let's find out how much you fools cost us? Loser pays!!
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Obviously the claim that BMOM would close or even not open at all was a lie. It is open, has been open without the money, and last weekend had such a huge turnout for the Snowmobile Hill Climb they turned people away. What not getting $51,000 of taxpayer money would have meant is that BMOM would have had to charge those snowmobilers, the skiers and all the other users what it costs to operate BMOM instead of sliding some of the cost off onto the Rumford Property Tax Payers Backs.
Our library on the other hand, the library our children depend on to do their school work has had to reduce hours have had to cut the staff in half with a 20% cut in the budget. No offer to we voters of the full budget in June and no offer of a re-vote. If a child is given an assignment on Friday due on Tuesday they are S**t out of luck if they need to use the library, it wont be open when they aren't in school until Tuesday; no more open on Saturdays, closing at 2 on Monday, 3 on Friday and 8 Tuesday - Thursday. The whole community looses on the FREE library. $51,000 would have rehired the 4 part-time staff and kept the library open until 8 every week day and on Saturday. What's more important a few wealthier kids and their parents many not even Rumford residents getting a subsidized ski ticket for a day of fun or every Rumford citizen having access to knowledge FREE of charge they can use their entire lives to take care of their families and homes, even get a JOB or start and run a business which employs others as well along with paying taxes? $51,000 would fix the library problem for an entire year. BMOM had the hill climb last weekend, opens for skiing today and it will all be melted away by the first of April, $51,000 gone in 3 months at best. Didn't produce any real jobs, didn't produce anything that will help with life or jobs, didn't produce tax revenue, didn't produce one single thing of lasting value. We would have gotten more out of that $51,000 if we had used it to start a bonfire in the middle of town on New Years for the whole community to gather around.
Maine Winter Sports is already picking up the capital equipment and facilities tab, the users shouldn't have a problem with picking up the tab for operating their luxury playground. In June we get to have more people say no than either of the other two options on the ballot and have it stick; thank you selectmen for the ordinance change.
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The Librarian and Board of Trustees have the authority to decide when the building is open. The cut in budget did not force them to decide to cut the weekends.
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The library budget was cut 20% Kevin, that meant cutting 4 part-time positions leaving only 4 full-time positions; the Library Director, the Circulation Librarian, the Research Librarian and the Children's Librarian. The library has to be open every weekday morning to receive inter-library loan deliveries and have their outgoing picked up. There is no way with only 4 full-time staff and having to be open every weekday morning for them to be open Satrudays or to be open until 8PM ever weekday as they were with the 4 full-time and 4 part-time staffers. The library trustees cannot print money like your messiah OBAMA is to cover spending at will; they can only spend what they have been authorized and provided by the town and that is 20% less than last year which was less than 4 years before that. No money, no Saturdays, Monday and Friday afternoons or evenings.
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All mail can be handled through the town office, permitting them to open later on certain days and provide hours on the weekend.
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Kevin you nitwit, it is not MAIL as in US POSTAL, it is the COURIER FOR THE STATEWIDE INTER LIBRARY LOAN PROGRAM. Every morning a van pulls in with pouches full of books, DVDs, cassettes, records, vhs cassets, periodicals, all the nifty things libraries have for us to borrow from all the other libraries in the state that had things Rumford Public Library did not have that patrons requested. The Rumford Library has stacks of pouches one for each of the states libraries they either are returning things to or that has a patron requesting something that library didn't have that Rumford Library did and is lending to them. Kevin you can go on your home computer, a computer at the library, as one of the librarians for anything and they will find it for you and have it brought in. http://www.rumford.lib.me.us is the library website that those of us who take the pursuit of knowledge rather than the boob tube seriously even have saved under favorites in our browsers. You can not only find what ever you are looking for anywhere in the state, you can find out if it is available now, if not when it is due to be returned, if you ordered something you can see if it is in transit or delivered to Rumford, and OMG you can even check to see when what you already have out is due back or is already late, you naughty child. If it can't be found within the state, they will even have things brought in through the NEW ENGLAND REGIONAL INTER LIBRARY LOAN PROGRAM. You can even get books from MIT if necessary. The BONDED COURIER aint going to deliver this stuff all over hell only to the LIBRARY it is assigned to and even if they would no one is going to drag the libraries outgoing to town hall and hope it doesn't get damaged or misplaced, not to mention where would they put it, and then chase back after the incoming shipment every day. Use your head man for something other than a hat rack.
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I am aware of how the library inter-library loan program works. However, there is no reason why those items cannot be exchanged at the municipal building.
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Are you bonded or willing to become bonded and volunteer to transport all those cases of coming in and going out between the library and town hall every day? Didn't think so. Not to mention it would violate the conditions of the state run program.
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How do libraries such as Jay handle the issue? They are only open a few mornings a week.
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The Niles Library in Jay, like Mexico Public Library is not part of the Inter Library loan program. Not every library in the state is a participant. You cannot go to the Mexico Library and order from other libraries or get things from Mexico's Library that your library doesn't have.
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Okay, well that explains it then. Our children are being deprived of weekend library services so that our library can serve as a central service center for most of Northern Oxford County in the Inter-Library Loan program.
I believe that the Librarian is a full time employee receiving a set salary. What prevents him from being available to receive the books, leaving other employees to cover weekend hours? I understand that there would need to be another person there for the Library to be open for business, but if the administrator is present to handle administrative duties and handle the inter-Library delivery, wouldn't that free up some weekend hours?
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Kevin, you have our permissin, in fact you are encouraged to absent your self from participating in the forum until such time as ALL of the rules changes in Rex Rhoades December 22, 2010 announce go into permanent effect and ALL the wise participants have departed. Please read the previous statement very carefully, it says All the rules changes into permanent effect. So when none of them take effect because the advertisers express their unhappiness along with the serious contributors you can stay gone.
Now, Kevin, one more time, (I can't believe I am doing this, it has to be because I took care of my grandfather-in-law with alzheimers, taught the severly mentally challenged, raised such a big family and have the little grandchildren and you know what it is like having to repeat the same thing over and over and over and over for someone has alzheimers, is mentally challenged, or is under the age of 5) ah yes back to you Kevin. There are only 4 count them 4, 1-2-3-4 employees at the library that includes the administrator whose title is Library Director. The Library Director is one, count it Kevin, the Library Director is 1 employee at the library. The Research Librarian is 2, are you counting, Kevin? The Circulation Librarian is 3. Kevin, pay attention, the Circulation Librarian makes 3. The Children's Librarian is number 4. That makes 4 people working at the library Kevin. That's all, just 4. Have you got that? Say it with me there are 4 and only 4 people working at the library. All of the people working at the library work 40 hours every week Kevin. The library is open 44 hours a week. The Library is open more hours each week than any one can work. No one that works at the library can work at the library all the hours the library is open. The library is open Monday and Friday 9-3 and Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday 9-8. The workers do not work all the same hours because the library is open more hours each week than any worker can work. The children's librarian must be in the children's library whenever there is a children's program going on and during hours when children frequent the children's library. Children cannot be left unattended because bad things can happen to them. There are bad people in the world, Kevin,who hurt children and the could come to the children's library to try to hurt a child so the children's librarian must be their to help protect them from the bad people. The Children's Librarian arranges all the programs for all the children. Mrs. Todd is the Children's Librarian. She checks out the books and helps the children find things. She puts the books away when the children bring them back. Mrs. Todd keeps the children's library neat and tidy. The research librarian helps people find things for school and their work. She can get books and journals with important stuff in them from far far away, MIT even. MIT is a very important school far away in Massachussetts where smart people go to learn important things to do important jobs. The Research Librarian is a very nice lady, her name is Mrs. Reynolds. If you need help with learning something you can ask her for help. Mrs. Reynolds also does all the maintenance on the computers. I know how you like to play on the computers when you visit the library. Miss Susan is the circulation librarian. She is the nice lady at the front counter. She helps find things in the stacks, checks out your DVDs, I know you like to take home movies. She helps when you have trouble with the computers too. It is also Miss Susan's job to put away all the books, magazines, DVDs, and CDs that people bring back. She has to keep the library neat and clean. If your mommy or daddy need an important paper copied or faxed like their income tax Ms Susan or Mrs Reynolds will help them by making a copy on the big copier or sending it out for them on the fax machine so they don't have to wait for days and hope the mailman gets it where it needs to go on time. Lots of times Mrs. Reynolds has to help Miss Susan because the town cut the budget and the Library Director had to fire 4 people who used to help. Kevin, the Library Director is Mr. Luke. He is a very busy man. He has to keep all the library records. He has to figure out how many books he can buy for the library and how many new DVDs he can get so you have new movies to watch. He picks the books and DVDs and orders them for the library. He has to take care of ordering the newspapers and magazines the grownups like to read. He has to make sure to allow for updating the computers. He has to make sure that the people that work at the library are there when they are supposed to be and if they are sick or on vacation he has to figure out how to make sure that there is someone there to help you and the library is open when it is supposed to be even though there are not 4 people available to work that week. Mr. Luke has a lot of responsibility. I hope you understand now Kevin that with only 4 people who each work 40 hours and the library open 44 hours a week to help people the library can't be open on Saturday. I know it used to be open until 8 every night and all day Saturday Kevin. But back then there were 4 more people, yes Kevin twice as many people, working for the library. Those other people worked part-time. Do you know what part-time is Kevin? Part-time is when it takes two people to work as many hours as one who works full-time like Mr. Luke, Mrs. Reynolds, Mrs. Todd and Miss Susan. Before there where 4 part-time people which is like 2 full-time people so it was like the library had 6 people working instead of the 4 they have now. So you see to have the library open until 8 every night and on Saturday the town would have to give Mr. Luke enough money to hire half as many people than he has now to work with the people he has or twice as many for part-time. I know Kevin it is hard to understand.
Now Kevin, I tried to explain to you before about the Inter-Library loan program. In Maine there is not much money. There are lots of poor people and there are not many good jobs for the people who want to work. There are not many people left in our town either. A long time ago there were 13,000 people living in Rumford. I know that is very hard to understand. I will try to explain. You know that box of toothpicks daddy keeps by his chair, the one you dumped the other day? Yes, Kevin, it was a terrible mess. There were 1000 toothpicks in that little box. It would take 13 boxes to make 13,000 toothpicks. Yes, Kevin, that would be a really, really big mess. Well, a long time ago there were 13,000 people in Rumford, like 13 boxes of daddy's toothpicks. Now Kevin there are only 4000 people which is 4 boxes of toothpicks, a big mess but no where near as bad as 13 boxes dumped on the rug your right. Well Kevin, back when there where 13,000 living in Rumford the mill would give lots of money to the library, to the schools and for lots of other things. Back then the Library Director, the man before Mr. Luke yes he is very young, had lots of money to buy books and yes DVDs for you. If someone wanted a special book, the Library Director would just buy the book and then it would be at the library for everyone. Well that was a long time ago and Mr. Luke does not have the money to buy a book because one person needs it. It is the same all over the state. So the state made a plan. The state said, we have lots of libraries, and all those libraries have lots of books, and yes lots of DVDs Kevin and the books and DVDs are different at every library, how about we make a plan so that all the libraries that want to can share what they have so that if someone wants a book their library doesn't have and another library has it, the library that has it will send it in a special van in a special pouch, to that persons library where they can pick it up. And they did. To be in the plan the library has to be open when the man in the special van comes with the pouches from all the libraries that had books that people at our library wanted. And our library has a big pile of pouches with books that have been returned and need to go back to the library that let us use them and with books that people want at the other libraries that liked the plan and said we want to be in the plan that we have at our library. Every day Mr. Luke, Miss Susan, Mrs. Todd, and Mrs Reynolds gather up the books, the DVDs, CDs and anything else our library has that people at other libraries in the plan want to borrow from our library. Mr. Luke, Mrs Reynolds, Mrs. Todd and Miss Susan pack them up in pouches one each for each of the libraries that want to borrow from us or that we have borrowed from and have things to go back. Yes, our librarians also pack up all the things that have been returned that don't belong to our library that have been borrowed from other libraries.
Kevin, we are not serving as a central service center for most of Northern Oxford County in the Inter-Library Loan Program. The only people that can get things from other libraries at our library are the people who have a library card at our library. Do you remember when you got your library card? To get a library card you have to prove that you live in Rumford. Only people who live in Rumford and therefore support the library with their property taxes can get a library card. There is one other way to get a card and that is to pay a fee to join the library. The last I new it cost $35 each year to use the library if you do not live in Rumford, that includes the Inter-Library loan program. You also asked aabout ay library because you knew they are not open every day so how could they get their deliveries. I explained that not every library wanted to be part of the plan some wanted to be but because they are not open every day for the courier to bring the pouches they could not be. I explained to you that the library in Mexico is not in the plan. The people in Mexico cannot go to their library and ask to have a book from our library or Orono's or Auburn's or any other library in the plan sent to the Mexico library for them to borrow. They cannot have the book sent to the Rumford library either unless they are a member of the Rumford Library by paying the fee. Kevin, people from Jay are not coming to Rumford to get books through the plan and Rumford is not getting books through the plan and sending them to the Jay Library. If you live in Jay you can only get books that the Jay library has or will by for you to borrow. Do you understand the Inter-Library Loan Program now that only what is for Rumford library patrons comes to Rumford and that the library has to be open for the man in the special van to deliver and pick up every weekday?
Kevin, if you have any other questions you should ask Miss Susan, Mr. Luke, Mrs. Reynolds or Mrs. Todd. Please Kevin, the SJ forums are for grownups so give the grownups a break.
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Why couldn't the library be open on a split shift (8am to 12 noon and 3 pm to 8 pm) saving three hours each day for weekend hours?
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Based upon what has been posted, I understand that the Library is open 46 hours per week. It has four full time employees, each of whom work 40 hours per week. Every open hour requires at least two staff to be on duty. Now, I am no mathematical genius, but it would seem that the building could be open additional days based upon this information. As a matter of fact, based upon staffing, it could be open as much as 80 hours per week.
Let's take a look....
Day Staff #1 Staff #2 Staff #3 Staff #4
Monday 9-5 (8) 9-5 (8) off off
Tuesday 9-5 (8) 9-5 (8) 1-8 (7) 1-8 (7)
Wednesday 9-5 (8) 9-5 (8) 1-8 (7) 1-8 (7)
Thursday 9-5 (8) 9-5 (8) 1-8 (7) 1-8 (7)
Friday 9-5 (8) 9-5 (8) off off
Saturday off off 8-6 (10) 8-6 (10)
Sunday off off 9-6 (9) 9-6 (9)
40 hours 40 hours 40 hours 40 hours
Of course, you would want to adapt the shifts adjust for vacation and sick time coverage, but with four hours of overlap, it is possible.
Not bad for an idiot, huh??
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And I am going to take a shot since poor Armymom does not deserve to have to try again. I haven't seen her on all day, hopefuly she is having fun. For starters 9-3 is 6 hours X 2 days (Monday and Friday)=12 hours plus 9-8 is 11 hours X 3 days=33 hours 12 hours plus 33 hours=45 hours not 46. hours Maybe Armymom is home with a migraine. Kevin 1 of those 4 people that are left working at the library is the children's librarian. That person doesn't get assigned to the upstairs so you are down to three upstairs people and you are hamstringed right of to bat with the hours since you are 1) down to three people upstairs and 2) only have one to work the children's room. You know what people, you can't blame this on the fact Kevin is male, cause I am a man and I get it. Ginny Todd runs a number of programs during the day for the preschool kids like mommy and me story time so don't go getting the idea you will just do away with the children's room hours during the school day and save up those hours sticking her to work every evening and weekend. Not to mention that would be the perfect way to get a wonderful employee to quit. Next, anything over 8 hours is time and a half on a weekday or Satruday, double time and a half on Sunday. You have a bunch of overtime built in, not in the budget. Some days you have two people working, how is that going to work at lunch time? You don't have anyone to cover the upstairs or the children's room. Other days you have all four people working but you still have lunch screwed up with this schedule. Then the library isn't open Sunday, that would be double time. You have overtime built in to Sunday on top of that which is double time and a half on anything over 8 hours. You paying? Vacations are a week, that's seven days off. You mention, "adapt the shifts adjust for vacations and sick time coverage, but with four hours of overlap, it is possible" only three days a week, what about the other 4? Are people only allowed to get sick Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday? What about the other 4 days they will be on vacation? Do you expect them to take their vacations three days at a time on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday only? In total you are up to 68 operating hours which is going to add tremendously to the operating costs for heating and cooling, electricity, cleaning, water, sewer, and all the other things that go into having a building open in addition to the huge increase in payroll. What you just proposed would probably increase costs double what was cut from the budget. If you want these hours, you better tell the selectmen and town manager tomorrow morning when you stop in for your daily 30 minute visit, they need to put twice what they took out back into the library budget.
Just a suggestion, Kevin, don't put in for a position as a manager or try to run your own business.
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I wasn't advocating that the schedule be done as posted, just showing that more hours are possible with four people. Obviously, if you reduce the 10 hour shifts to 8, the o.t. Is eliminated. In all of the jobs I have worked, I have never heard of Sundays being overtime. Even the one union job I had only paid a small differential.
As for the children's room, there doesn't need to be complete coverage during school hours as most pre-school children don't use it alone. The programs can be scheduled when the appropriate staff are working. If coverage is needed on other days, one of the workers can work at that desk.
I have never worked in any job where the hours of operation were decided based upon the preferences of the workers. I take that back, when I was 11, I had a bottle redemption business where we picked up bottles at peopl's homes. The three of us scheduled our pickups as we wanted. But, in the real world of employment, all of the jobs have decided their hours of operation before asking my availability.
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Kevin as I said last night I give you credit for acknowledging the fact you are ignorant, no doubt about it. I also don't think there is any hope that will change. You have to rank a very close second to Tron on this site for lacking in mental capacity. Even a cancelled flight leaving me with hours if not a day or more on my hands is not enough to enduce me to make another attempt to reach into that fog filled void in your head. Love the "mug shot" photo of yourself you have posted for your logo by the way, very inspiring, really gives readers an idea of what to expect. For the next month the intelligent participants will remain pending the implementation of the "VERIFICATION" full name requirement Feb 1, should it actually take place, if it does you will be left alone here with those of your kind to fill the space with rediculous, boring, pointless, rambling, idiocy.
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If disclosing who you are is all it takes to scare you away, then I have little respect for you.
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I came on to quickly post a realization I on what BMOM of really cost to the taxpayers of Rumford of the $51,000, in particular the folks of Strathglass Park, the poor in the apartments that are not up to code and their landlords when I read this. KEVIN you are truly amazing. As was explained to you in minute detail repeatedly over the course of the entire day yesterday, there are now only 4 full-time employees at the library. There are no part-time employees to work split shifts and no full-time person worth a damn is going to screw up an entire day and evening every day of the week plus this would really mess up the patrons going to the library, look what has happened with the court! No one going to the court, even good honest citizens that have to deal with the court because of criminals and thugs has a clue from day to day what the hours are. Common sense man, please, try a little common sense, would you work five days a week 8-12 and 3-8 so you could not see your family, have appointments, basically have any life? Well maybe you don't have a life already, but most people do. And Kevin, going to Town Hall every day constitutes frequently and spending even 30 minutes there every day is spending a lot of time at town hall. I dare say that no person, who is not an employee of the town spends as much time at town hall as you do.
For everyone else apologize for any typos or incoherence I just woke up and must like everyone else take the shovel and start digging. At least I am home so the wife isn't having to do it this time around.
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I have tried, ad nauseum, to find a solution to the weekend hours problem that was presented. Every suggestion I made was shot down. Unfortunately, it seems that this is how the town runs too, which leaves no question as to why it is in decline.
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Yes, Kevin, screwed up priorities. Had the library been properly funded so that the staff was not cut in half, everyone would have the afternoon, evening and Saturday hours they not only want but need. You should take this up with the Town Manager when you stop in tomorrow morning and the selectmen the next time you talk to them.
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Okay, so you are saying that the library has to be open when the truck arrives. Well, that does make it more difficult.
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Don't think he'll get it Armymom but you gave it the old college or is it the pre-school teacher try.
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can't believe you would bring Obama up with this issue..... turn off Fox
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In order to TURNOFF FOX, I would first half to TURNON a TV something I haven't done in years. They don't call TV the BOOB TUBE for nothing. Open a book why don't ya.
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well maybe all your friends listen to the Fox channel and feed you lies
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hmmm Im sure if you all put your heads together you can think of something else to get your name in the paper , maybe you could go cut down the town christmas tree , I think I saw some people over there enjoying it , the only thing you people succeeded in doing was making yourselves look like MORONS
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