Schlafly cranks up agitation at Bates
By J.T. Leonard
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Special to the Sun Journal
Thursday, March 29, 2007
LEWISTON - For four decades, right-wing icon Phyllis Schlafly has been an anti-feminist spokeswoman for the national conservative movement.
Schlafly, now 81, brought her long-running campaign to Bates College on Wednesday night in a lecture titled "Conservativism vs. Feminism: The Great Debate," which played to a near-capacity crowd of more than 135 students and visitors at Chase Hall.
The event was sponsored by the Bates College Republicans.
For nearly two hours, she belittled the feminist movement as "teaching women to be victims," decried intellectual men as "liberal slobs" and argued that feminism "is incompatible with marriage and motherhood."
Disappointing none - especially the gaggle of women students who showed up sporting T-shirts reading "This Is What A Feminist Looks Like" - the presentation brought several moments of high agitation.
One came when Schlafly asserted women should not be permitted to do jobs traditionally held by men, such as firefighter, soldier or construction worker, because of their "inherent physical inferiority."
"Women in combat are a hazard to other people around them," she said. "They aren't tall enough to see out of the trucks, they're not strong enough to carry their buddy off the battlefield if he's wounded, and they can't bark out orders loudly enough for everyone to hear."
At one point, Schlafly also contended that married women cannot be sexually assaulted by their husbands.
"By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape," she said.
It was not a popular proclamation. But it was nothing out of the ordinary for the St. Louis homemaker who portrays her political stance as "pro-family" and has made a career of denigrating women who aspire to go beyond that role.
Schlafly herself holds a law degree from Washington University in her native St. Louis, as well as a master's degree in political science from Harvard.
During the 1970s and 1980s, Schlafly played an integral role in defeating the proposed Equal Rights Amendment.
"The ERA was a fraud," she said, comparing it to the absurdities of the political correctness trend of the 1990s, which also preached gender neutrality. "(The ERA) pretended to benefit women, but it didn't. It was just the nuttiness of feminists who were promoting an androgynous society. They didn't put 'women' in the Constitution, they put 'sex' in the Constitution."
While Schlafly said she has no problem with women raising a family and pursuing a professional career, she said they can't be done at the same time.
When asked if she could recall a particular issue about which she had changed her mind since taking on the ERA 40 years ago, Schlafly said she couldn't.
"I've always been a conservative," she said.
The admission outraged Tamara Wyzanski, a sophomore women and gender studies major.
"I was appalled," said Wyzanski, a co-leader of the Feminist Action Committee, a wing of a national group. "We're an educational institution and we're supposed to be teaching people to think critically, with an open mind. Not necessarily to be liberals, but at least to have an open mind." |
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Posted By:gunslinger at March 29, 2007 7:20 AM (Suggest Removal) The only valid point she made last night was about physicaly-limiting jobs. Police forces, firefighters, and some military branches have had to lower their physical standards to let women be employed. The original standard for fire fighters used to be that you had to drag a 160 lb person 100 feet. It has since been dropped to a 100 lb person 50 feet. I'm sorry, but I don't think a 120 lb woman (or man for that matter...) carrying 40 lbs of equipment can drag a 200 pound man (or woman for that matter...) out of a building. The standards should not have been lowered.
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Posted By:Sarah at March 29, 2007 8:40 AM (Suggest Removal) This is just appalling. People are entitled to their opinions, and speak them freely, but why-oh-why does this woman feel the way she does? I can't imagine being told I shouldn't or can't (other than biologically) do something because I am a woman. As far as physical limitations are concerned, that's crap...I know plently of women that could easily out match men.
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Posted By:Jeff at March 29, 2007 10:08 AM (Suggest Removal) It is about time we get a much more conservative view at Bates College. These students will learn as they grow up and gain experience in their lives, that what this speaker says makes lots of sense.
She sees how difficult it is to raise a family when a pre-school or day care personel are raising your children. With a parent at work all day, others are raising your child to their values!
In response to women in predominant male jobs, again she's right. Women are not physically strong enough (in most cases) to handle fire fighting, combat and police work as examples.
Just face it, this women has lived 81 years and probably can back her comments. With her education as well as her life experiences, her comments are valid. Good job Bates Repubicans.
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Posted By:Dennis at March 29, 2007 10:20 AM (Suggest Removal) I'm happy to let Ms Schlafly rant all she wants. It's good to remind modern day voters what the conservative movement is all about. Of course she is a right-wing nutcase, has been for years, way before it was popular or commonplace. She reminds me again of why I am proud to be a Democrat.
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Posted By:Sally at March 29, 2007 10:53 AM (Suggest Removal) A big thanks to the Bates Republicans for bringing Ms. Schlafly to campus. No one can better articulate the absurdity of the anti-feminist position than Ms. Schlafly. Bravo to the Bates students involved in the Feminist Action Committee and the Women's Resource Center. You are a beacon of light in a sea of fear, and what is more beautiful than that?
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Posted By:steph at March 29, 2007 11:06 AM (Suggest Removal) Sally No one can better articulate the absurdity of the anti-feminist position than Ms. Schlafly. Bravo to the Bates students involved in the Feminist Action Committee and the Women's Resource Center. You are a beacon of light in a sea of fear, and what is more beautiful than that? What fear????????
The fear of admiting that woamn are not phyically or mentally able to do what men do? We give birth. Is that enough control.. I think so. The Feminist Action Committee is a joke. The Feminist movement is killing America slowly. Just watch... Hillary is a feminist need anything else be said.. I mean look at her & her "marriage", scary..
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Posted By:JulieL at March 29, 2007 11:31 AM (Suggest Removal) A WOMAN CAN NOT BE RAPED BY HER HUSBAND!!!!! Are you people serious? OK Hedi, don't get an eduacation, stay home and have babies and cater to your husband and if your marriage doesn't last, (50% don't i.e. Gulliani on #3, Ginghrich on #3 etc), try and support them by getting a job with nothing more than a high school education, and what happens when one of the kids gets sick and you have no place to take them so you don't go to work and see how long you keep that minimum wage job. Women are not less than, women are equal to their male counterparts in the job force. I know many an overweight, chain smoking fireman/policeman who couldn't run up a flight of stairs to save their own life!
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Posted By:Sarah at March 29, 2007 12:22 PM (Suggest Removal) Hedi: women are not physically or mentally able to do what men do??? Albeit, men do tend to be physically stronger, but what do you say to the 6'2", 200lb. women? Or the 5', 100lb. men that are out there?? How could men be mentally capable of anything if they weren't raised by their very capable, in all forms, mothers??
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Posted By:SAM at March 29, 2007 12:33 PM (Suggest Removal) Let's see, Phyllis states that men are usually stronger and faster than women - no surprise there. The avg. male in the USA is 5'9" 190 lbs compared to the avg female 5'3.8" 162 lbs. The worst male college basketball team in Div I would destroy Tennessee's or CT's womens teams.
It is better for women to be home with their children - oh - what a right-wing bomb thrower she is!
The feminization of society, the military, etc. is hurting us - look at the percentage of males vs. females in college! You are succeeding feminists - are men are more like panzies and you women are more man-like.
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Posted By:S at March 29, 2007 12:53 PM (Suggest Removal) Thats the problem Sarah, men are NOT being raised by their mothers anymore...they are being raised by daycare. Someone elses mother and someone elses values. What does a 120 lb female firefighter say to the 200 lb female that she cannot drag out of a burning building because the standards were lowered? I agree that there are some jobs that women cant handle as well as men. Unfortunately it is the everyday citizen that will suffer because a point had to be made that she can do just as well as him.
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Posted By:Coco at March 29, 2007 1:06 PM (Suggest Removal) Sally got it exactly right. I am the proud parent of one those women from the Women's Resource Center who were there to stand up for human dignity and plain old common sense. (You go, girl!) I applaud her not because she's my daughter, but because she's soooo right on this issue. Hang it up, Phyllis. Hang it up, Bates College Republicans.
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Posted By:SAM at March 29, 2007 1:10 PM (Suggest Removal) When women won the right to be fighter pilots in the Navy the number of fatalities increased due to the G-force strength required to land jets on carriers. Of course, is an admiral spoke out about that he would have been vilified!
Yes, believe it or not the good Lord made women and men different.
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Posted By:Jeff at March 29, 2007 1:15 PM (Suggest Removal) It didn't take much Heidi to drag out the Libs. I love hearing from them. NO ONE SAID ALL WOMEN HAD TO STAY HOME! Just do not force women into a profession and position they can't physically do. Yes there are many professional men who are out of shape. Even though, they still are stronger.Certain professions need a strong male to control a situation, be it a fire, police call or a combat situation. So you "GI Janes" out there, GET A GRIP!!
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Posted By:Sarah at March 29, 2007 1:15 PM (Suggest Removal) But Shea...my point was: what about all of the grown men now, who were raised by traditional families ie, mother at home, father at work? How did they get to be the more mentally capable sex when raised by mentally inferior women??
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Posted By:Catherine at March 29, 2007 1:18 PM (Suggest Removal) Ummm...
A woman CAN get an education and STILL stay home, have babies, and cater to her husband IF SHE SO CHOOSES and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
I am sick and tired of being made to feel like less of a woman because I CHOOSE to be a mother and wife first. That is the life I choose.
I thought feminism was about freedom to choose. Apparently to people like Julie, it is only freedom to choose as long as you choose what I want you to choose.
>:-(
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Posted By:SAM at March 29, 2007 1:23 PM (Suggest Removal) Good point Catherine. Long ago my brilliant wife CHOSE to stay home with our children over my objections (we were poor). Today, she still stays home with our teenagers and it is one of the best decisions WE ever made. I do believe that much of America's problems during the last several decades are due to homes without Moms - kids being reared by others!
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Posted By:Sarah at March 29, 2007 1:23 PM (Suggest Removal) Shea...I should have read your entire comment, before I commented myself. I have another comment for you then. If the standards of physical presentation have been lowered for women, then there must 120 lb. fireMEN trying to drag 200 lb. women, or men from burning buildings as well. Most people know their physical limitations...
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Posted By:Catherine at March 29, 2007 1:23 PM (Suggest Removal) Furthermore.... I think part of why the divorce rate is so high is because men and women are at odds with one another.
If we, men and women, put our family and children first... as opposed to our power and our careers, I think that more families would survive.
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Posted By:Catherine at March 29, 2007 1:28 PM (Suggest Removal) SAM-
Well, I'm still going to be earning money. :-) We need my income too. I'm actually pregnant with twins. I'll be working from home and raising the twins at the same time.
The point is, I could put them in daycare but that's not what I want to do. It's not what's best for me or for them.
I'll be darned if I am going through this pain and misery being pregnant with twins just to give them to someone else to raise. NO WAY!!!!!
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Posted By:Sarah at March 29, 2007 1:32 PM (Suggest Removal) Catherine, I have never, nor will I ever, say that women shouldn't stay home. I, in fact, stay home with my children as well, for the same reasons as you. However, I know that women are just as capable as men in all areas beyond biology i.e.: I am not capable of producing sperm. I think anyone, men included should have the right to choose which career field they go into, whether to stay home with the kids, etc. I have several female friends who work and are mothers, and they are wonderful at both. A few of them are single mothers, who, unfortunately made mistakes in the men they picked to have children with, but rather than go on welfare, they work.
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Posted By:ojhuig at March 29, 2007 1:32 PM (Suggest Removal) Yeah, we definitely need more SAHM's who think they invented it, and more spoiled brats who think the world revolves around them. That's not the way it used to be. It used to be that grannies and aunties were around to raise the kids while moms worked. You'll never bring back that time, but mothers will always have to work.
And I agree with Dennis - lt the crackpots rant. At least that way I know where they are and what they're up to. It's the sneaky ones that can hurt you.
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Posted By:SAM at March 29, 2007 1:36 PM (Suggest Removal) Actually ojhuig - national trends show more women deciding to become homemakers - the first increase in such a statistic -since the 1950s.
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Posted By:Catherine at March 29, 2007 1:37 PM (Suggest Removal) ojhuig-
My mother and grandmother never had to work.
And in case you are unaware, raising children IS work. Argh!
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Posted By:JulieL at March 29, 2007 1:37 PM (Suggest Removal) Catherine that was some fierce unibrow directed at me! HA! For your information, I have a film degree from a prestigious university in CA and I am a stay at home mother and a wife. My point to the people who support Phyllis Schlaffley is, women need and deserve the right to an education and equal oppotunities in the work force. The woman belives a "wife" can not be raped by her husband.....WFT? And why is it when the discussion of equality in the work force begins it always involves firemen and policemen? I know of an overweight trainee in MA who was allowed to become a fireman even though he couldn't run the mandatory distance required to pass the test. Can you give me an example of somoene dying in a fire because a 100 pound woman was sent in to the building and was unable to drag a 200 pound man out? My husband and I have different strengths; he is a much better cook and I am the one who takes care of the maintainance of the house, cars etc. Raise your daughters to get an education first, work a while and then start a family, or not. But don't tell me it is my duty to marry, have babies and dutifully walk 10 steps behind my husband.
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Posted By:S at March 29, 2007 1:37 PM (Suggest Removal) Sarah, your right, the same could apply to a 120lb fireman. But the orginal standards should not have been lowered. It unfortunate that society has made it neccesary for both parents to work. I stayed home with my 4 children the first 15 years of marriage. When I started work full time my husband and I were on different shifts so that one of us could be there with the children. The youngest is 18 and I would do the same thing in a heartbeat.
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Posted By:Catherine at March 29, 2007 1:39 PM (Suggest Removal) This is just outrageous. There is so much DISDAIN out there towards the women who choose to be mothers first and employees last.
I have nothing against mothers who choose to be employees first and put everything else on the back burner... everyone makes their own choice in life.
All I ask for is a little respect.
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Posted By:Catherine at March 29, 2007 1:41 PM (Suggest Removal) Sarah-
Then my comments aren't directed at you.
I don't have anything against mothers who work. Heck, when my babies are born I am going to work too... and I'm going to take care of them at the same time, as well as my home, etc.
It just makes me mad when I hear people say: "Stay home and have babies" as though there is something WRONG with that! UGH!
And to oj, who thinks that kids who are with their mommy all day end up more spoiled... let me tell you a little something. There is no kid more spoiled than the kid whose parents feel guilty because they only get to see them 3 hours a night and on the weekends. They want that time to be good and special so they don't spend it disciplining them.
Kids are more unruly and spoiled than ever before.
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Posted By:Catherine at March 29, 2007 2:03 PM (Suggest Removal) Ok, Julie.
I apologize for the unfounded outrage. It just sounded like in your opinion, if you are spending your time raising babies that it's somehow inferior to spending your time making money.
Sounds like we have nothing to disagree about.
I too think that the comments by Phyllis Schlaffley are pretty silly... particularly the part about how a woman can't be raped by her husband. I beg to differ!
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Posted By:Robert in Seattle LHS 82 at March 29, 2007 2:05 PM (Suggest Removal) She should have listened to her mom. If she can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.
Stick a chicken farmer's boot in it!
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Posted By:lisa at March 29, 2007 9:25 PM (Suggest Removal) Posted By:SAM at March 29, 2007 1:10 PM (Suggest Removal)
When women won the right to be fighter pilots in the Navy the number of fatalities increased due to the G-force strength required to land jets on carriers. Of course, is an admiral spoke out about that he would have been vilified! Yes, believe it or not the good Lord made women and men different.
Would you cite a source please?
The Human Effectiveness Directorate of the Air Force Research Laboratory says women can withstand as much g force as men or more because of differences in blood pressure.
http://www.he.afrl.af.mil/A04_ScienceAndTech/HE_Media/NewsClips/archive/DES_GreeneCoDailies_9-21-06-crop.pdf
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Posted By:Barbara at March 30, 2007 1:14 AM (Suggest Removal) I think the problem here is that people tend to go to total extremes. I agree with Schafly about generally women are physically weaker than men. However, I don't agree with the follow-up that ALL women can't do hard physical work. I personally a couple of very physically strong women who could do the work of men and it would be wrong to exclude them from physically taxing jobs just because they didn't have a penis.
This would be just like excluding ALL men from Quilting Bees because their hands and fingers are larger than womens and they wouldn't have the manual dexterity women have.
As for married women that can't be raped by their husbands; well, that's b.s. I suppose I shouldn't get married as then my body would belong to my husband and not me.
And if she's so anti-feminist, why does she hold 2 degrees? If it wasn't for feminism, she wouldn't have been able to go to college.
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Posted By:Kathryn at March 30, 2007 10:35 AM (Suggest Removal) "Posted By:David at March 30, 2007 5:54 AM (Suggest Removal)
Thank God my wife isn't one of you nut-case feminazis. She works at the same place where I do right now, but our goal is to be able to make her a stay-at-home mom. She knows that staying at home and taking care of our children and maintaining a household is a very honorable thing to do. She's also not so damned insecure that she concerns herself with her "rank," and whether or not she's the feminist definition of my "equal" or not. Feminists are just a bunch of angry lesbians with low self-esteem and self-made misery."
The core basic belief of feminism, David, is equal choice. congratulations to your wife on finding a path that will make her happy. it's her business to decide whether she wants to pursue a career or stay at home with your children or both. however, you sound like a complete idiot. I have heard very few feminists (or women PERIOD) who believed that stay at home mothers were of a lower "rank" than other women. you sound like you personally believe that women who choose to work are insecure sheep who want to be men. you and your wife can adapt whatever level of equality you want in your marriage, but based on your nasty, vaquely mysoginistic tone, I 'd question whether your wife had better self esteem than women who were interested in having careers and not caring for the babies of uneducated a__holes.
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Posted By:Arlene at April 3, 2007 11:47 AM (Suggest Removal) I recall the ERA fight. The insurance lobby and the Mormon church were the main forces against the Equal Rights Amendment. Phyllis was a handy cover that the male dominated media loved. When I see her now, I think of Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard playing a has-been actress. As far as rape in marriage, there are many senior women her age and mine who grew up with that baloney who choose to remain single. Men are pushovers. If I want sex, I don't have any problem finding a willing participant. If it works, I will come back for another romp, but he has no entitlement to my body.
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Posted By:David at April 5, 2007 10:19 AM (Suggest Removal) As a Bates grad myself (class of 1977), I am delighted that Phyllis Schlafly spoke in Chase Hall. I think it is important that for people to receive a truly liberal education, they hear from both sides of an issue, not merely the dominating orthodoxy of political correctness. Phyllis Schlafly has a long and distinguished history of standing for the traditional family. I am sorry that I did not hear her speak, but am grateful for her important legacy over the years.
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Posted By:David at April 5, 2007 10:24 AM (Suggest Removal) (Just for clarification, as the 77 Bates grad, I am not the same David whose post was made on March 30.)
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