Somalis, others reflect on high-tension week in community relations
By Bonnie Washuk
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Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 24, 2007
LEWISTON - The past week has been tough for the community, Somali and Franco-Americans attending a community dialogue at the Franco American Heritage Center agreed Monday.
"A lot of anger and hate has been flying around," said Steve Wessler of the Center for the Prevention of Hate Violence.
In the days after last Thursday's report of a hate incident at Lewiston Middle School involving a ham steak left at a lunch table to insult Somali students, a Sun Journal newspaper forum was so filled with hostility it was shut down.
Wessler said he received hate e-mail and two phone messages in which a man threatened to commit violence against him.
And then last Saturday, Brent Matthews, a Lewiston man who became known for rolling a pig's head into a Somali mosque last July, committed suicide at Marden's parking lot.
"Fear is what guides us," said Edward Boucher, 62. "A lot of us are led by that. It's the beginning to a lot of the problems."
For years, Catholics suffered prejudice before being accepted. That's not uncommon for any new group arriving in a community, several Francos said.
"Eventually these things work themselves out," Boucher said.
"But does it make it right?" asked Zamzam Mohamud, 32, sitting beside him wearing her Somali head scarf and dress. "Then does it just keep going? Where does it stop?" There isn't much of a community "if we don't make a change."
So, Wessler asked, "What can we do about this heightened tension?"
Speak out, said Emmanuel Boucher, 15.
When something happens or someone says something that is wrong, "Ask them, 'What do you mean by that?'" Then start "telling people differently when they start saying stuff about Somalis," Boucher said. At first, "it's hard to do. But once you start doing it everybody's going to start doing it. So it's going to be a lot easier."
Mustaf Sharif, 17, agreed.
That happened at Edward Little High School, Sharif said. "At our school every day there used to be a fight my freshman year."
Through the Unity Project program, white and Somali students got together. Understanding grew. Racial tensions are still there, but not as much. Now when someone says something that is wrong, students are more likely to say, "You don't do that here," Sharif said.
Part of the problem was kids were believing everything they heard, like Somali immigrants get free cars, said Mukhtar Sharif, 16.
At Edward Little, once students were told there was no truth to rumors like Somalis get free cars, they began to understand. "Education is the key," Sharif said.
Wessler agreed. There is no magic solution to stopping the rumors and bias. It takes speaking out. Sometimes that can be 400 people at a rally, sometimes a newspaper editorial, or sometimes just one person talking to another.
The group talked about what they've gained by meeting with each other for four weeks.
John Glaus, 57, said he's learned that Somalis want to be accepted, not assimilated. People don't need to change themselves, but people need to understand others.
Sharif said he attended the dialogues "to put a face to the rumors and stereotypes" about Somalis. He hopes people stop believing rumors.
Boucher said he's now "friends with Zamzam."
She said both sides need to get out of their comfort zone. Whites need to get to know Somalis, Somalis need to get to know whites. "That's the only way we're going to learn."
There are opportunities.
Bill Cutler said the Jubilee Center held at the downtown Trinity Church could use volunteers to tutor Somali students.
More community dialogues between whites and Somalis will be held this fall, Wessler said. |
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Posted By:jv at April 24, 2007 5:43 AM (Suggest Removal) I'm sorry, but I don't buy any of this. For them to say that we all need to work together is a great though in theory, but it seems like the burden has been put on us. I'm not saying it's a white or black issue, their race or culture does not bother me. But it's the fact that they expect us to respect their culture, but not respect ours. They expect us to treat them with kindness, yet we don't see it back. It's a human being issue, not race. And the people that are flipping the race card every time a Somali issue comes up. The bottom line is that they come here, follow their own cultures, speak their own language, adhere to their own set of rules and when we are put out because of it and get upset, we are racist. I would love to work together with the Somalis and live in peace, but it is a two way street. They are not doing their share and we're paying for it.
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Posted By:greg at April 24, 2007 7:03 AM (Suggest Removal) When you say "they are not doing their share" you are saying NO Somali is doing their part to live in peace here in LA, which is simply not true, and I suspect you know it. Try to put your grief in other, more accurate words, please.
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Posted By:jv at April 24, 2007 7:28 AM (Suggest Removal) My grief is well founded. It is not every Somali that is not doing their share. In my opinion though, it is the vast majority. My problem are the Somali folks that bring issue with the White folks that are not respectful or kind to them but they don't give it back. Then playing the race card to make themselves the victim when they are just as cruel to us. When I say "They" I am referring to those that fit that profile specifically. Using "they" is just a term, not an accusation of all. The vast majority of Somalis that I have contact with have no interest in doing their share. They have no interest in learning our language so that they can get a decent job and do for themselves. If you disagree, go hang out at Walmart or Hannaford for a while and see how many of them pay for their stuff solely with money they earn. See how many of them try to strike up a conversation with anyone who is not Somali. It's a two way street. It just seems like the burden has been put on us since they are newcomers who don't speak the language or know the culture. I can't feel too bad for them though (no matter where they came from - which for most of them is Georgia before here). If I were to plan a life-move somewhere, I'd damn well know the language and culture and laws before I imposed myself on them.
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Posted By:Just a thought at April 24, 2007 7:51 AM (Suggest Removal) Lots of anger here.....that's where the hatred and violence begins.
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Posted By:jv at April 24, 2007 7:55 AM (Suggest Removal) Anger...Yes. Hatred...No. Violence...Never. Not by me. Not by a lot of folks. This is how racism accusations get started. People voice their opinions about stuff like this and because it's a touchy subject, all of a sudden it causes hatred and violence. That's why a lot of folks don't voice their opinions on subjects like these, because then they get accused of hatred and racism. Never once did I say that I hated the Somalians. Never once did I indicate any violence. And even from the angry blogs from the article last week, not once did I read of any indications of violence or hatred. Just frustration.
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Posted By:roberta at April 24, 2007 8:13 AM (Suggest Removal) It has even hit the national news with comments such as the administration at the Middle School has their "panties bunched UP" with this latest "Absurd" suspension over a ham sandwich. How far does this have to go. And by the way my question is the young man that committed suicide at Marden's this week, would that have been motivated by the incident' absolutely adsurd.
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Posted By:4U2 Consider at April 24, 2007 8:28 AM (Suggest Removal) Well folks welcome to Somaliton. First I have said it before and I will say it again, as a 60+ year old French Canadian, every time I hear a proud, self-reliant, hard working, industrious, family oriented French Canadian who came here when there were no welfare benefits compared to a Somali I just want to puke. I have been forced, along with several other people to attend Wessler’s Center for the Prevention of Hate Violence presentations. Mr. Wessler is accumulating a small fortune from companies that are forced to hire him. When confronted with a room full of white people, stating and substantiating, that Somali’s receive special treatment and privileges he turns a deaf ear. I don’t recall any prejudice of Catholics in Somaliton. I don’t ever remember Catholic French Canadian’s having “400 people at a rally” and “sometimes a newspaper editorial”. Catholic French Canadian’s found a way to resolve their issues without resorting to the race card, filing civil rights violations and suits or turning a prank into a hate crime. Of course being raised Catholic, having gone to a Catholic parochial school I don’t remember the Catholic Church doing much for its parishioners other than to extract as much money as they could from them and giving very little in return. So now Catholic Charities has imported all of these Muslims into Somaliton and has an office in City Hall to process them. Muslims will never convert to Catholicism and Catholic Charities is not doing this out of the goodness of their heart so exactly what is Catholic Charities financial reward on the Somali issue? How many Catholic French Canadian's have received City backed loans to open businesses? French Canadians assimilated into Somaliton and as “John Glaus, 57, said he's learned that Somalis want to be accepted, not assimilated.” Why do “Whites need to get to know Somalis” if they don’t want too? The answer is because you are being forced to whether you want to or not.
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Posted By:Angela at April 24, 2007 8:59 AM (Suggest Removal) If I am following your thinking logically Treehugger it should then be considered a joke if someone were to paint a swastika on the door of a Synagogue, or maybe we can go out on a Saturday night and light a cross on fire in the yard of an African American Family. Perhaps I am confused, but isn't the purpose of jokes humor? I am not sure about you, but I find nothing funny in these situations. Do you?
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Posted By:Paul at April 24, 2007 9:06 AM (Suggest Removal) Those that think the pig-head incident was a "joke" are part of the problem. Is cross burning on lawns "funny"? No, it's persecution based on religion and race. Those who blame the Somali's for Brent M.'s suicide are part of the problem. They say that racism is borne from self loathing -and what could be more self loathing than to kill one's self? As for what Tss said -when did Walmart become an intimate meet and greet social center? Other than the underpaid "greeter" employee posted at the entrance I don't see anyone under any obligation to introduce themselves in any way to any person (let alone "strike up a conversation"). I know I don't (unless I know them). Whenever I've smiled, nodded hello, and or held a door open for a Somali I get a pleasant nod and or a smile back (despite any language "barrier"). Never once have I had an unpleasant experience with a person of Somalian descent and I live in the "downtown" area. These people, as a whole, are struggling to adapt (despite others who falsely claim otherwise) and they have my full support.
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Posted By:sososo at April 24, 2007 9:12 AM (Suggest Removal) respect is one of the major reason of the hatred the somolian comm has been here long enough most are at kennedypark all day why arent they out trying to get a job and or go to school instead of living off my taxes i know of people in this community that went to the city for help they made like 20 dollars too mucheven they have no 20 thousand dollars vehicle like the somolians but yet they get everything from housing to food and sorry they dont respect any whites at all ever walk past one they will never say excuse me ...my kid was in the park playing on a ran down playground had 20 somolians there throwing sand in her face as there parents looked by if you tell the kids to stop throwing sand you being racistthey are ready to call 911 and the cops have to do everything they ask even though there kids are kicking each other and being violent among other children most of you people at the franco american group of church groups that are saying poor somolians why dont you go to the park and see how this animals i mean children play they are very mean kids i dont know its not a black white thing its a somolians not raising your children thing called not teaching your kid respect
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Posted By:bethany at April 24, 2007 9:32 AM (Suggest Removal) i agree with all of you they have no respect for the american people we try to communicate with them be polite to them try to help them so on and so forth and they make no effort but thats only because they play the pitty party and everybody falls in the trap and hands them everything on a silver plater maybe if we started playing hard ball they would appreciate it a little more and have a little more respect i have no hatred against them or nor do i want to hurt them at all but i am sick of trying!!! they are playing the system and doing a very good job!!! i am with you completely "tss" us as americans are trying the somolians are not it is not a racism things it is commen courtesy thing you respect me i respect you no matter what you look like!!!
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Posted By:Tom at April 24, 2007 9:33 AM (Suggest Removal) The Sun Journal has been fanning the flames with this wall-to-wall ham sandwich coverage. They give the activists who are on a hair-trigger to express their tiresome "outrage" a soapbox and then they expect everyone to come to their leftie point of view and gather togather on Main Street to sing Kumbaya.
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Posted By:FRED at April 24, 2007 9:40 AM (Suggest Removal) First let me point out that there are two "FREDS" posting on here.If the Somali`s don`t want to "be assimilated" then they should have stayed in Somalia and worked to make their own country a better place to live.Every other ethnic group has learned to live togather peacefully.Why can`t they?
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Posted By:BM at April 24, 2007 9:48 AM (Suggest Removal) I've gotten the impression that we are supposed to feel sorry for them and bend over backwards to give them what they want. I know there are many that have jobs, work hard, and get along with people, but it only takes one 'bad seed' to spoil it for everyone. I've encountered too many 'bad seeds'. From those that want to purchase a vehicle with a price tag of $6000 for whatever they're offering and getting extremely upset when told "NO". To seeing a pricey vehicle driven by a Somalian going down the street with a license plate that reads "You Pay For It" after translation. And last, but certainly not least, walking by a mosque and getting yelled at 'hey fat ass' by a child peeking out the door. There's absolutely no respect and no need for anyone to act this way (no matter what race).
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Posted By:Ray at April 24, 2007 9:50 AM (Suggest Removal) Change will come with time; for all their charges, Somalians will have to be patient. They could help themselves by assimilating in the community> Dress and talk like we do. It may be more comfortable to speak your language, and I encourage you todo so with your family and friends, but with others around you, speak the common language; English is what unitess us, and this comes from a Franco-American. Dress like we do and accept our ways; you chose to come here. You have the choice to live where you want, but you should accept the ways of wherever you chose to live.
We must all realize that at the same time the Somalians came here we also had a large group from Togo come here. They are also Black, and from a different culture, but they seem to have assimilated in the community> I'll grant you their numbers are not as large as the Somalians, but they have many similarities and I do not remember any problems associated with them.
Maybe the Somalians are responsible for some of their problems. Let them take a good look at what they are doing.
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Posted By:jv at April 24, 2007 9:55 AM (Suggest Removal) B---I couldn't agree with you more. I am so damn tired of seeing them drive better cars knowing full well they didn't earn the money to pay for it, eating better food knowing full well they didn't earn the money to pay for it, and living the good life when they're not earning the money to pay for it. And the moment you say a word about it (as you bust your arse to provide what little you can for your family) you are a racist. I'm sick of them saying whatever they want or doing whatever they want and the minute you do it back, they don't understand the language, they don't understand the culture, they are just poor folks trying to make a better life for themselves. I don't care, I don't buy the BS. They are smarter than a lot of people think. They have manipulated the system, they have manipulated the leaders of L/A, and they have had no recourse for any of their actions.
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Posted By:william r. at April 24, 2007 10:07 AM (Suggest Removal) i know there's alot of fustration within the communities. but you just have to come together as a whole an get along. because you all have to live within the community together and your children have to live and grow up there. what kind of exemple are you all setting for your children's by argueing like you are. instead of thinking about yourselves all the time think of your children's instead. they only learn by seeing the way you act. so maybe if you all can act like adult's and act like roll model should than the children will act nicer with one another. but it begins with the adults.
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Posted By:william r. at April 24, 2007 10:19 AM (Suggest Removal) because actions speak louder then words.
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Posted By:bethany at April 24, 2007 10:21 AM (Suggest Removal) i agree william r. but it is a two way street!!!! i have never once been mean or cold to them but they have to me am i suppose to teach my child to just take it? that is why we just stay away from them!!! they need to teach there children the same thing!!!
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Posted By:jv at April 24, 2007 10:24 AM (Suggest Removal) William R ---- What kind of parents would we be if we taught our children to take whatever Somalians dish out and ignore their own rights. I raise my son so that he is kind and considerate of others, but I am not about to let his own rights go unadhered to just because of the foreigners who refuse to work with us. We don't teach our children to hate. We teach our children to work for what they have. We teach our children that respect is a two way street. My child knows it's wrong to get stuff you don't earn. That's not hate. That's preparing him to live in the real world and to earn the respect he wants people to give him.
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Posted By:Pol at April 24, 2007 10:28 AM (Suggest Removal) As a parent of a elementary school child who has had a number of Somalian friends in her classes over the past few years, my expereince has shown that some of her freinds are good students and very outgoing while others have been poor students or occasionally got into trouble. The same normal variations in behavior found in her other friends. As far as the Somalian parents, I do not feel any better about local white slugs living off my tax dollars and abusing the SSI and worker's comp systems with fraudulent claims than it does to have a Somalian or anyone else doing the same. If you cheat, you deserve to be nailed to the wall, regradless of color or country of origin.
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Posted By:Gary at April 24, 2007 10:31 AM (Suggest Removal) TSS is right: respect is a two way street;contrary to what the political left preaches.
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Posted By:JohnBerry at April 24, 2007 10:46 AM (Suggest Removal) Times change. Many years ago, when other immigrant groups arrived in America, they were met with discrimination and barriers that I am sure everyone agrees were wrong. Our society has evolved and we, as a civil society, have said that no group will suffer the discrimination that many of our forbears endured. While most of the Somali immigrants have found employment or started businesses, some have not. Those who are unemployed get the assistance that we, citizens and elected leaders, have established to maintain the health and dignity of our citizens - whether new immigrant or Mayflower descendants. Nobody is living a lavish lifestyle at the expense of taxpayers. Nobody is being given cars and homes, as I have heard rumored. I have tried to become friendly with some of my Somali neighbors. With some I have succeeded and have regular conversations. With others I have not been successful, yet. But this is normal. I have become friendly with some of my French Canadian neighbors and with some I have not. Please, if you hear a rumor about immigrants living it up on taxpayer money ask the person to provide some real proof. If you are a person who sincerely wants to “live and let live” then the rumor will end there.
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Posted By:bls at April 24, 2007 11:10 AM (Suggest Removal) Kind of shows you what a PC lie "multiculturism" and "diversity" is. When it's forced, you get stuff like this, where it didn't exist before. I don't remember the voters being asked to invite the Somalis into Maine by democratic process. Now all the "morally superior" liberals have at it.
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Posted By:Holly at April 24, 2007 11:19 AM (Suggest Removal) I am a Mother of six children ages 26 to 9 and I also was born and raised in the state of maine. I now live in the state of kentucky. It is a race thing and if you are white you are a racist. My children every day have to watch what they say and do ,because it may be taken all wrong.I am sick to death of paying taxes for people to come to this country and have it much better than myself and others. This is our Country and they need to get jobs and start paying for there own,and stop living off the backs of Americans. I also wanted to say racism is everywhere. Like I said before I live in Kentucky now and the blacks here pull out there race card daily in my child's school. White are the ones who are being Sh-- on here, we have to watch how we say and do things every day and if it is something they do not like we are being called racist. I know there are whites on the welfare system but there are more Blacks, Somalis, and Mexicans. I would like for my country the USA to start giving to there natural bron Americans the same free money they give them. The Somalis need to start living the American way, and get a JOB!!!!!
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Posted By:Angela at April 24, 2007 11:22 AM (Suggest Removal) Wow, maybe we should put up walls and make sure people have the proper paperwork and pedigree before we let them into our community. That way we can make sure only the right people can come in. We can create our own little utopia. Does this scenario sound vaguely familiar to anyone? With all the understanding and support being spread around here I cannot even begin to imagine why our newest citizens are not willing to open up to everyone they meet on the street.
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Posted By:Tennessee Kev at April 24, 2007 11:26 AM (Suggest Removal) I'm sorry but if you move to a new country you gotta speak what is spoken. You hafta be nice to people, cuz you don't know who your dealing with. I grew up in Maine.My father taught all of his kids that things are different every where you go. If you don't want to be assimilated in to a culture don't leave your home country.
PS the ham steak story was on nat.talk raido
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Posted By:sam at April 24, 2007 11:31 AM (Suggest Removal) wow. what animosity. i have lived in LA for a year and a half. i love the fact that the community i live in has racial diversity. social services/ welfare are there to help people temporarily to get back on their feet. i have had to use these services years ago and i am very glad my tax dollars can return the favor to other families regardless of there race. much rather have a struggling somali family recieve services than the pitbull weilding punk a**es i see through out my neighborhoods who happen to be white.
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Posted By:Robert61 at April 24, 2007 12:26 PM (Suggest Removal) If people continue to beleive Somalian's are getting a free ride with food, clothing, lodging and cars, then in 3 years why hasn't the Sun Journal done even one menaingful article on the numbers and show people exactly how they can afford what they have, how many of them work vs. welfare, and other items that are leaders of gossip and rumor mills...I challenge the LSJ to actually work on a serious review of whats occurring and allow the Somalian community to present its side...
Unfortunately, if the LSJ can;t recopy from the AP or freelance to a bonheaded sports reporter then it's not news for them to cover.
WAKE UP LSJ! You have a better opportunity to set the record straight than any other media or public means in this community.
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Posted By:me at April 24, 2007 12:36 PM (Suggest Removal) I THINK THERE SCREWING THE SYSTEMS SO WELL THEY SHOULD HAVE CLASSES SO WE ALL CAN HAVE NICE CARS,......AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO LIVE AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ONE LIVING ON THE STREET
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Posted By:MB at April 24, 2007 1:04 PM (Suggest Removal) I work with Somali's on a daily basis and I have to say that the hatred in these emails is terribly sad. I have never met people so quick to smile and laugh and want to get to know you. To judge a group of people that you don't even know shows the ignorance of the people writing these blogs just as clearly as the misspellings and grammatical errors of the upstanding American citizens writing here. Paul,does every person you meet at Wal-Mart treat you courteously? Are their no young white single moms buying soda and snacks with their food stamps instead of money that THEY earned? "blackhawk down", you have never seen white American children being cruel to others on the playground? I am sure that we all have. It is not ok but it happens. Don't blame a whole race or culture for the problems of a few. Change is different for all of us. However, we need to see things from different perspectives. If we kicked all religions, cultures and races that we don't understand out of the state of Maine or the United States we would be a pretty barren landscape.
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Posted By:Ben at April 24, 2007 1:05 PM (Suggest Removal) you know just read the court logs in the sun journal and you will see that somolis always have there cases dropped. Special rights. How is it that citizens of this country are not supposed to be upset by this. It makes me mad if they want to be a part of this country let them get there green card and a job and pay for there 15 children at a time that they have. Pork is an american food and they are just going to have to deal with it or go back to africa where they belong.
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Posted By:Jane at April 24, 2007 1:13 PM (Suggest Removal) The only ones complaining (constantly), poor white trash.
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Posted By:Chris at April 24, 2007 1:14 PM (Suggest Removal) My problem is with who ever brought them all here, THEY should support them not us or L/A. Churches are suppose to hold their hands and help them, NOT our government and cities!! There needs to be no religion in schools. If that isn't followed then they can build their own Goddamn schools and run them the way they want. We are enabling a culture and 3 generations of a people who will suck us dry of our generosities. STOP the free ticket NOW!!!!!
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Posted By:Chris at April 24, 2007 1:18 PM (Suggest Removal) Ok 4 Questions.
Is it true that the Catholic Charitires gave every Somalian family $30,000? I assume that's where the cars came from.
Is it true that they to pray in school?
Is it true that some L/A people lost apartments so Somalians could move in?
Are they in college classes for free? I see them at CMCC taking English and other courses. I would like to go to college free.
I feel that if they came here and made it on their own they would be respected but NO,they live on our handouts.
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Posted By:4U2 Consider at April 24, 2007 1:20 PM (Suggest Removal) I am really surprised that the Left PC I need to feel good groups, politicians and Catholic Charities haven't pressured the SJ to close down yet another of the SJ blogs. When people are allowed to say how they feel rather than being told how to feel the blog is shut down. Now that is free speech and democracy in action. Hurry and say what you have to say before this blog is shut down.
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Posted By:Reality at April 24, 2007 1:28 PM (Suggest Removal) To finish my thought, if you can't see the straight up racism of SOME of the anti somali posts, you are crazy. Not all of the people who recognize that their is a problem and point it out are racist, but your case isn't helped when you have a few that are just spewing this junk ! And by the way Holly Clampett, I am glad I don't live in Kentucky.
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Posted By:Jane at April 24, 2007 1:30 PM (Suggest Removal) Reality, I particularly like the irony in that last statement you mentioned. What a bunch of dolts.
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Posted By:Jane at April 24, 2007 1:39 PM (Suggest Removal) Susan, you have to ask if those rumours are true? Use your head. Those rumours are asinine.
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Posted By:Chris at April 24, 2007 1:44 PM (Suggest Removal) That's no answer, that's just your opinion. How do you know?
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Posted By:Jane at April 24, 2007 1:54 PM (Suggest Removal) Susan, if you cannot conclude by yourself that those rumours are false, than I am probably not going to be able to convince you otherwise. I am astounded that any adult (I assume you are an adult) would even need to contemplate the veracity of whether Somalians were given $30,000.00 to settle here L/A or whether court cases against Somalians are dropped due to some sort of "special rights" situation.
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Posted By:Robert in Seattle LHS 82 at April 24, 2007 1:56 PM (Suggest Removal) Wow.
I can remember the same dialog occuring when the Vietnamese came to Lewiston in the 70's and 80's. They were driving nice Trans-Ams while we were driving old beat up Chevy's and Fords. People thought they were getting free hands out then.
The last time I visited Maine was in the Spring of 2003. Not much has changed in 20 years. I did notice the new "refugees" in their new "FUBU" baggy butt clothing were not polite. I saw fights in and around the Public Library on Lisbon St. I saw problems at Kennedy Park - a place that I had a lot of fun at when I was a kid. It was a sad state of affairs.
Have you seen footage of Somalia? Of parts of Africa? Of Iraq and Iran? People that lived like animals in their last country can't be expected to change overnight when they come to the U.S. of A.
Visiting my home town, where I grew up for 18 years, raised as a Franco-American Catholic to two very hard working parents, some 20 years later was a shock. The city really hasn't improved in any way. Again, it's a sad place. Burned down buildings, work gone overseas, churches that are rec centers now (St. Marys), etc... Imagine what our founding fathers of Lewiston - from the late 1700's - would think of the city now... All the hard working citizens who built and worked in the textile mills and shoe factories... All for what - now?
My advice, get an education and get out if you don't like it. If you can change your circumstances, leave! I'm glad I did...
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Posted By:4U2 Consider at April 24, 2007 2:16 PM (Suggest Removal) Susan here is a fact not a rumor. Lewiston had a Somali working for them. It was a fact that the Somali was caught in the act of trading sex for rents. Talk about politicians having their panties in a bunch. How could they get rid of the Somali without being racist, having a civil rights violation filed against them and being sued? Let him skate and pay him severance. Can you imagine what would have happened to a white French Canadian Catholic for the same issue?
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Posted By:Former L/A resident at April 24, 2007 2:41 PM (Suggest Removal) I agree with you Robert and I'd also would like to point out that government aid programs (state and federal) are available to all Americans. You can do anything from start your own business to receiving grants and scholarships for free education. I'll admit that minorities may have an advantage when it comes to such programs, but is it the fault of the Somali people? No, and if it's such a problem take it up with your congressman. Don't roll a pigs head into a mosque. The reality of the situation is... some white's live off the system, some blacks, some Mexican’s, some Somalian’s whatever. It's the countries fault. Stop blaming, stereotyping and stop isolating the people. You’re just adding flame onto the fire of racism in this country. If you really feel so passionate and feel an injustice is being done, stop your blogging and write to people who have the authority to do something about it.
Here is a link to your congressman. It has contact information as well as a bunch of information on federal and state aid programs.
http://www.michaud.house.gov/article.asp?id=301
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Posted By:GROVER A at April 24, 2007 2:53 PM (Suggest Removal) Can sombody tell me if these Somali's here in Lewiston are American citizen?Have they gone through the citizenship process?
If not, then they are illigals.
They are not suppose to be here in the first place. Bush and Clinton were wrong for not closing down the boarders.It's never too late but it won't happen. Politics...BS.
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Posted By:Chris at April 24, 2007 3:13 PM (Suggest Removal) I called the Catholic Charities and the case worker said that if someone had a job and a Maine liciense and needed transportation to the job then they would get a free vehicle. Also there is a Refugee Cash Assistance program that pays each family according to amount of people, monthly monies for 8 months. Clothes and furniture are donations and they get food stamps too.
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Posted By:bls at April 24, 2007 3:26 PM (Suggest Removal) "Posted By:Trepanation at April 24, 2007 1:13 PM The only ones complaining (constantly), poor white trash."......Ah yes of course, the typical "more morally superior than thou" slur of anyone who dosen't agree with the whole PC bandwagon theology-whatever it happens to be on a topic. Please enlighten us with your great insight. How did you garner your data regarding people who don't believe as you are "poor white trash"?
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Posted By:4U2 Consider at April 24, 2007 3:26 PM (Suggest Removal) By whom and what is Catholic Charities paid?
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Posted By:Waldo at April 24, 2007 3:29 PM (Suggest Removal) All that the Somali community is doing is what anyone else does, and that is look for the best deal for themselves and their families. Who can blame them. They are running away from their homelands where they might be killed. But, a real hard look has to be taken at the US government's refugee policy. What is this idea that the USA with a population of over 300 million, can forever take in every political or economic refugee that shoddy failed societies and governments around the world create? Refugees like the Somalis, and they are just one example, flee their countries because their own countrymen wouldn't have them. They're own countrymen are more threatening to them, more likely to be violent toward them, than Americans are. In a city like Boston or Atlanta or New York City a few hundred or even a few thousand refugees wouldn't be noticed. Is it fair though, for a small community like Lewiston to be expected to react, given it's small population, a substantial influx of foreigners very different from the "natives" if you will, and expect the influx to be without any friction? Ham or pork in general isn't an insult in our community. "Kosher" food is similar to Halaal food, and the Jewish and Catholic communities have had good relations the past several generations in Lewiston. No one, regardless of their religion in the USA, should be insulted by ham, or expect others to change their ham consumption to suit others anti-pork religious beliefs. If the US government wants to create safe havens for foreigners in our country, why then doesn't the US government also create safe havens for American citizens in all those countries around the world so hostile to us as Americans?
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Posted By:Chris at April 24, 2007 3:51 PM (Suggest Removal) I told them that when I was a kid that we had Vietnamese settle here and the churches sponsored a family, helped them along with jobs and stuff in the beginning. Then they helped more of their family. Now they come here and live off of our government, state and local. He said that the difference was that we had a war with the vietnamese and were closer to their plight. The Somalians fleed the warlords and came here. The monies and stuff come from donations to Catholic Charities. We in Maine are the biggest welfare state. We give more to the needy here, so here is where they come.
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Posted By:ithelpedmealot at April 24, 2007 4:38 PM (Suggest Removal) I have many friends and relatives that work in the social service, welfare, and medical sectors of Lewiston. I really like the idea that one person posted about the LSJ doing a story of what they do get. The comments I hear them make are not bad or racist about the Somalis, just that they get several calls a day of new people to this town, (most coming from another state, but some straight from Africa.) The language barrier is extremely difficult, and if they have to pay for an interpreter, I believe they said the cost is very high.I believe the cost some interprters are paid is about $40.00 / hour. The Muslims also beleive that they HAVE to have lots of children (one of my neighbors told me that she and another female co-worker, both of whom had CHOSEN not to have children because neither they nor their husbands wanted to raise children, were told by a Muslim man that they will go to Hell if they don't have kids. Well, my belief is have as many kids as you want, as long as you are the one that is paying for the raising and su | |