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No charges in ham incident

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Thursday, May 3, 2007

LEWISTON - A student who tossed ham on a school table occupied by Somali students last month will not be prosecuted by the Attorney General's Office.

But that decision, announced on Wednesday, will not have any bearing the school's handling of the incident.

The Lewiston Middle School student who placed the bagged ham has been suspended, according to Lewiston school officials.

Police who investigated found that no crime had been committed, and their part of the probe ended shortly after.

"We referred our findings to the Attorney General's Office," police Chief William Welch said Wednesday night. "And we support their decision."

From the start, there was debate in the community about whether the student's actions constituted a hate crime. Muslims consider pork unclean and offensive.

A 14-year-old Somali boy told the Sun Journal last month that he was eating at a table with four other Somali students on April 11 when the ham was thrown on the table. The teen said the ham was in a bag and that the student who tossed it laughed along with other students who witnessed the incident.

School officials looked into the matter and doled out their discipline.

Letters were sent to the parents of Middle School students, and the Center for the Prevention of Hate Violence got involved to help address the issue.

Ultimately though, it was up to the AG's Office to determine whether the incident constituted a hate crime.

Had it been deemed as such, further legal action could have been taken against the student. Typically, when a person is accused of a hate crime, the AG's Office requests an injunction or restraining order against the culprit. Violations of an injunction can result in fines and jail time.

Now that it has been decided the ham incident did not constitute a hate crime, the student's discipline will end with the school system.

School Superintendent Leon Levesque could not be reached for details about the suspension Wednesday night. The student blamed in the incident has not been named.

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Posted By:joy at May 3, 2007 6:26 AM (Suggest Removal)
I am just wondering if someone that sits at the same table and pulls out a ham sandwich to eat it himself if he would get thrown out of school. I love ham sandwiches and pork and if my kid wants to eat them and happens to be at the same table with these special kids, to bad if they do not like ham.

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Posted By:Steve at May 3, 2007 6:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
Well joy, it probabaly depends on whether or not you are going to taunt the person with the ham or pork.

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Posted By:PLS at May 3, 2007 6:44 AM (Suggest Removal)
I am glad this has come to an end for kids being kids. I do say we have the best in the AG's Office and they saw it for what it was. Wrong? YES!(children being children) Children pushing their luck and I bet it never happens again !! May the apoligies come forth and they grow from this only to better themselves.

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Posted By:mad memere at May 3, 2007 6:45 AM (Suggest Removal)
I guess when I'm in town at one of the eateries I'd better look around to see who is sitting within eye shot before I dare to order. Would hate to be accused of a hate crime.

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Posted By:Not-So-Freshman Ryan at May 3, 2007 7:23 AM (Suggest Removal)
Wow "Reality," that statement isn't full of prejudice, and the same with you Joy. Way to not understand the situation at all. Somalis respect that other cultures like ham, but they politely try to avoid it. If you were at a table with a group of Muslims, I would assume that you knew them, and if this were the case, you would know that it would be insensitive to do such a thing as to take out a ham sandwich and eat it. That being said, as long as you didn't taunt them with it (as we've now seen happen twice in our community, I think this is clearly a case of some kids trying to copy what Brent Matthews did), they'd probably be ok. Or they'd say, "Hey, do you mind taking that elsewhere?" But I guess for some, ignorance truly is bliss.

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Posted By:jv at May 3, 2007 7:26 AM (Suggest Removal)
I agree PLS. This would've set a horrible precedent for the community. If charges would've been brought against this child who was just being a kid, then it would've opened up a whole can of worms and every child who ever teased, picked on, or bullied another child would have to face legal recourse. Ridiculous!

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Posted By:J at May 3, 2007 7:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
Ham is ham and I think I should be able to put it anywhere I damn please. This is getting so ridiculous!!!

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Posted By:unknown at May 3, 2007 7:51 AM (Suggest Removal)
If "THEY" can't live like Americans then why doesn't the government give them their own community. Ham/Pork is in this country! Do they not go into a grocery store afraid that they may have to face a piece of ham?? NO!! I think that they are the only population that we bow down too because of their religion!! The government wants everyone to accept them but the somalians also need to understand that in this country, religion has been put on the back burner. It is no longer priority to everyday living. It is now a personal belief that you practice in your own church.

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Posted By:ojhuig at May 3, 2007 7:58 AM (Suggest Removal)
"Children being children"? That's just the attitude that makes bullying ok. And J, nobody is trying to take away your sandwich - just your right to taunt someone with it.

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Posted By:J at May 3, 2007 8:01 AM (Suggest Removal)
I never said bullying is okay or taunting. I just see no reason to have to walk on eggshells around these people. Now it just seems like if you breathe wrong its a hate crime. But everything that is done to white people is okay and never a hate crime.

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Posted By:sue at May 3, 2007 8:05 AM (Suggest Removal)
Children are only the children that adults mold them to be. I can see by many of the comments here there will be prejudice passed right on down for many generations to come. I guess it's the American way.

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Posted By:at work...you?? at May 3, 2007 8:11 AM (Suggest Removal)
I don't need a reason to hate.

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Posted By:debra at May 3, 2007 8:18 AM (Suggest Removal)
This is so stupid its not even news worthy but it has made me realize that when being around somali people i have to be very careful,like the other day we were at a chinese resturant and there were alot of the somalian people i was so worried a piece of pork may fall off my plate at the buffet in their presents i could end up with a hate crime police record,my name plastered all over the papers and news.i shouldnt have to worry like that.

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Posted By:Gary at May 3, 2007 8:19 AM (Suggest Removal)
The boys were just pissed because they were not asked if they wanted mustard with thier ham!!!!

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Posted By:I think at May 3, 2007 8:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
My daughter attends Auburn schools and is very active on the Civil Rights Team. She and I had a long conversation about this. I asked her if prior to last years incident with the pig head if she knew how offensive pork products were to Somalians. She did not and she has a couple of very close friends at her school who are Somalian. I have the utmost respect for how firmly their religious beliefs are, however if you want to become part of our society shouldn't there be some sort of education for our children? Additionally, what about their religion makes it a hate crime if someone says/does something against their religion? If a student walks up to my daughter, who is a Christian and says God does not exist why isn't that a hate crime? I think we as Americans are more tolerant of other's than most.

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Posted By:at work...you?? at May 3, 2007 8:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
The Somalis bring presents to chinese restaurants?

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 8:49 AM (Suggest Removal)
Just curious, Do any of you profess to be Christian?

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Posted By:MrsP at May 3, 2007 8:50 AM (Suggest Removal)
Who says you have to walk on eggshells? This wasn't brought to light because somebody was sitting nearby politely eating their lunch. The intention was to have a good laugh at the expense of the Somali beliefs. Since when is that ok, no matter who you are or what your beliefs are? The intention was to ridicule. Complaining that now you can't serve yourself at a buffet lest a piece of pork fall on the floor in their presence is immature.

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Posted By:J at May 3, 2007 8:56 AM (Suggest Removal)
HELL NO!!! I prefer satan. At least he does not go around molesting little kids.

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 9:08 AM (Suggest Removal)
Well put, Mrs. P. I see a lot of ignorance and immaturity on this board.

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Posted By:Not-So-Freshman Ryan at May 3, 2007 9:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
I just want to say that stating that "god doesn't exist" is political in nature, and not a hateful statement. Just like if i had a discussion with a Muslim (Remember this isn't a Somali issue, it deals with a religion with well over a billion followers) about the cleanliness of ham. I personally love it, they don't. To each his own. However, if I went up to a Catholic and snapped a crucifix over my knee and threw it at them, that would be a hate crime in similarity to the ham incident. I'm glad the AG decided not to press charges, because what these children need is education, not punishment. There's still too much ignorance in this world, and many of you posters are evidence to that.

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Posted By:hon. william r. at May 3, 2007 9:46 AM (Suggest Removal)
yes i'm a christian and i teach my kids to respect eveyone and we go to church twice a week. so it begins in the housewhole with the parents. and if the children is taught about someones culture they should respect that and not intimidate others of their believes. by not teaching them at home about respect to others you will get the response that occured on that day. and this is how hate crimes and assults start in the schools. in order to stop this it needs to start at home than in the schools. and i don't know wants wrong with the AG'S Office because they know that this is a hate crime as well as the police chief of lewiston. so they need to review this again an correct their decision on this.

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Posted By:The Ginger at May 3, 2007 9:58 AM (Suggest Removal)
D, having ham is fine. Throwing it at someone who cannot eat it isn't. That would be the same as me going around and burning crosses on peoples lawn. It's not just harmless fun. Justice, same to you. They are fine with other people having it, but not having it thrown at them. Debra, use common sense. Dropping ham wouldn't be considered a hate crime. Only someone stupid would really believe that. MBR: Saying someing isn't a hate crime, doing something is. If someone came up to your daughter, and burned a cross in front of her, that'd be a hate crime, just as much as throwing ham at them. You all need to stop being so ignorant, and learn a little common sense.

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Posted By:MrsP at May 3, 2007 10:02 AM (Suggest Removal)
Well said Ryan. We don't need to be Catholic to respect the meaning of the crucifix to Catholics, nor do we have to be Muslim to respect their belief about pork. Nobody is asking anybody to give up their sandwiches. We are asking that we treat each other with respect. Would you ask a Catholic not to wear a crucifix in your presence? No,you probably wouldn't. Would you ask them not to paint one on your house? Yes,you probably would. Why? Chances are you don't want a big painted crucifix on your siding. Are you trying to change the beliefs of Catholics? No,you just want to be respected. There are boundries by which the basic laws of human decency should prevail. Education is key.

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Posted By:Patric at May 3, 2007 10:02 AM (Suggest Removal)
I'm sick of all these "special treatments" everyone has had to make. I know the local LRTC Culinary Arts program had to refuse a Somali student a few years back because the representative sent to the program, after the student was accepted, demanded there be 0 pork products in the entire building. I think it's ludacris that they are even able to ask that. This is america, nobody is gonna force them to touch it or make them eat it. They need to be able to be comfortable around it. Take a look at the people who work at the local dump or sewage treatment plant. What they handle EVERYONE thinks is unclean, but they suck it up and do it anyway.

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Posted By:Tennessee Kev at May 3, 2007 10:06 AM (Suggest Removal)
Alan , I recall a fue years ago,in New York an art show funded partly by the US GOV that the an artist displayed a jar of cow piss with a crucifix inside. No word of hate crime in the story, sorry.

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Posted By:JL at May 3, 2007 10:07 AM (Suggest Removal)
I think if racism would stop in general and bullying then this would something we would not here. I am thankful I live in a country that opens their doors, hearts and pockets to help other countries like somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Problem is this...kids are gonna hate the war because their parents dont shut up, kid are going to be racist and taunt the Somalians because their parents wont shut up and teach from right to wrong. I dont agree that charges should have been filed but someone needs to start teaching their kids that it is wrong to bully, taunt or do whatever else to others because of their skin color, beliefs, disablities etc. This poor girl at my kids school has a disease that is causing her to become completely blind. She has pin hole vision in one eye. This is horrible for a young elementary student...the kids call her batty saying she is blind as a bat. This is not acceptable and it needs to start at home..Parents teach your kids to respect others feelings. Kids follow what their parents do.

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Posted By:Patric at May 3, 2007 10:08 AM (Suggest Removal)
Also, when did 14 year olds start being treated like adults? What ever happened to "kids being kids"? Kids do stupid things, they should be punished, but this whole "hate crime" and what not is what is really outrageous.

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Posted By:hon. william r. at May 3, 2007 10:23 AM (Suggest Removal)
the ginger, you need to read on the laws of maine and what it says about hate crimes in maine are. and not all of us are ignorant and some of us do have common sense.

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Posted By:The Ginger at May 3, 2007 10:24 AM (Suggest Removal)
"Kids being Kids?" Harassing someone because of their religion is not just "Kids being Kids." Would you still say the same thing if a kid stabbed someone?

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Posted By:JohnBerry at May 3, 2007 10:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
Trepanation, That was both a good question and a sad commentary. Love thy neighbor seems to be such an alien concept to so many.

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Posted By:Alan at May 3, 2007 10:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
Ten Kev there is a HUGE difference between an art show and a school cafeteria -and there is a HUGE difference in intent. The art show could be considered offensive (don't go if ya don't like it!) but what happened to the Somalian kid was assault where someone else deliberately got in his/her "space" with malicious intent to cause suffrage, ridicule and anguish. If you don't know the difference then let me remind you that your elbow is attached to your forearm and your "duff" is just below your spine.

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Posted By:The Ginger at May 3, 2007 10:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
The majority of the people on this board were raised by parents who were the same, ignorant way. They were raised to hate anyone who is different.

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Posted By:hon. william r. at May 3, 2007 11:01 AM (Suggest Removal)
ginger, i was raised by my mothe a single mom an i think she did a great job. she tought me right from wrong,she tought me to like all races,she tought me to stay in school an graduate. and she also tought me to love thy neighbor and not to hate. and i did as she tought me and i did good, i graduated from college and went on to become a state representative in the maine legislature. yes it begins at home with parents.

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Posted By:hon. william r. at May 3, 2007 11:10 AM (Suggest Removal)
i was raised by my mother

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Posted By:hon. william r. at May 3, 2007 11:11 AM (Suggest Removal)
taught

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Posted By:Jeffrey at May 3, 2007 11:22 AM (Suggest Removal)
I dont care if a group doesnt like pork products, more for me.....and that goes for vegitarians as well. Just dont complain to me about it.

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Posted By:Marilyn at May 3, 2007 11:27 AM (Suggest Removal)
um, hon william r, the only thing your mother didnt teach you was how to spell "taught"....as for all this other garbage about people and their ham sandwiches and pork at chinese restaurants, grow up!! I do think the kids need to learn a lesson from this so they don't grow up to be like Brent Matthews and do what he did. Kids need to learn to respect others and the first place to learn that should be from their parents, however some parents need to learn respect too. The slice of ham thrown on the table to taunt the Somalians was wrong. Where's your common sense people??

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Posted By:Ray at May 3, 2007 11:30 AM (Suggest Removal)
Would there be this much uproar if a student did the same thing to a Catholic student on Good Friday? I think not!

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Posted By:PR at May 3, 2007 11:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
Ginger and Unknown: I couldn't have said it better myself, so I won't. Thanks for your comments.

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Posted By:Peter at May 3, 2007 11:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
I was born and raised in Lewiston but left when I was 18 years old - I'm now 44. I had always thought that my "hometown" was a wonderful place to grow up but reading this and other blogs has shown me differently. The ignorance, prejudice and hatred of so many people represented on this blog is very heartbreaking because it represents what Lewiston/Auburn has become after these many years. When I grew up and went to Catholic schools in the 60's and 70's, there was a lot of "kids being kids" going on with a smattering of bullying. These kinds of situations have crossed the line and I am appalled that this student wasn't charged with a hate crime because, pure and simple, it was just that. I am saddened that my vision and memories of my hometown have been crushed and I see that Lewiston is no longer a wonderful place to grow up and raise a family because of so much ignorance and hatred thriving in my "brick town by the falls." What happened to the town that I knew where the Catholic churches and schools were thriving, we were slighly afraid of the nuns who taught us - which kept us in line? What happened to that feeling of safely and security that was part of my life in Lewiston as I grew up? A city of a reflection of its people - you reflect badly. Thank God there are a few who truly "get it" on this blog. Thank you God for that!

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Posted By:joe at May 3, 2007 11:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
I have been starting to wonder why it is ok for a Somalian to cry out a hate crime when a kid throws ham on the lunch table? But why cant we say something against them? Why is it ok only for a somalian or other such ethnic or religion groups to say such things. When someone says they are doing something wrong to us we are then called a racist or a bigot. I remember when I was in high school when the Somalian's really started to move into and problems were really hot in school. I was told more then once by the boys I had to wak behinde them bc in their country/religion women arent equal! Now when brought to a teachers atention or someone else of authority I along with other people that they needed time to adjust. Also I remember they were the ones able to wear bandanas has headbands because it was their "religion" but other girls were not allowed for fear we were in a "gang". In lewiston a "gang" come on now...they were wearing bandanas not their actuall head scarfs. It just makes me sad to see that this day and age nothing has changed really. People are still treated with such disrespect. I have friends who are Somalian and I respect their beliefs but I do not agree when some of them are still stuck in their own small mindedness. It goes both way folks. It starts from the parents to learn respect! Somalian parents as well need to teach their kids respect..if you want it you should give it to the others in your community. Maybe if we all could take time out of our lives and learn to respect each others religions then this world would be a better place. I have seen both sides. It goes with every ethinc group or religion...there are the jerks that give the whole commmunity a bad name. It's people like that, that make lots of people not like the Somalians...just like it makes them not like us. Because of the few jerks out there that have not been taught respect!! SO LEARN IT AND SHOW IT! Then maybe this crap will stop at some point before its to late to turn back the clocks on what you have done!

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Posted By:Jeffrey at May 3, 2007 11:43 AM (Suggest Removal)
Marilyn, first of all this is not a spelling bee, its a blog....you dont have to be critical regarding ones level of education. Secondly, you probably never met Brent Matthews and therefore do not know anything about him that you didnt get from the media. Besides that he is not the only person in history to "throw a pigs head into a mosque".

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 11:44 AM (Suggest Removal)
Hon Willian R.- You went to college??? You did good? Yeah, right.

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 11:51 AM (Suggest Removal)
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. . .And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. - excerpts from 1 Corinthians 13:4-13

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Posted By:Jeffrey at May 3, 2007 11:55 AM (Suggest Removal)
Is picking on ones intelligence any different than picking on ones religious preference or culture?

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 11:57 AM (Suggest Removal)
Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. – Proverbs 10:12

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 11:58 AM (Suggest Removal)
We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. – 1 John 4:19-20

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 11:58 AM (Suggest Removal)
'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD. - Leviticus 19:18

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 11:59 AM (Suggest Removal)
Jeffrey, I have to agree that picking on peoples’ intelligence is being just as unkind as the “ham incident” and yes, I am guilty of that. I should probably try to be above that if I’m trying to make a point about “loving thy neighbor”- I get a little irritated when people post on this board claiming to be intelligent or posing as a judge (hon. William r.) but are not able to use proper English or consistently misspell words. Typos are typos but I see many mistakes on this board that should not be made by a high school graduate let alone a college educated person. I guess my insults are more to voice my doubt of the veracity of some posters’ claims more than making the insulted the butt of a joke.

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Posted By:hockey mom at May 3, 2007 11:59 AM (Suggest Removal)
Words mean nothing - actions speak louder. People can profess to be the best Catholics/Muslims/Wiccans/(insert religon here) in the world, and still have affairs, abuse, steal, kill, etc. We need to teach our children to be good people, and teach them to respect each other's feelings, no matter what their religion, race, size, sexual orientation. And it really does start with home. You can read from the Bible/Koran/etc. every day, but if you are not living the words, they mean nothing. Good luck to all other parents in this community - I see a hard road raising our children when there is so much tension.

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Posted By:Waldo at May 3, 2007 12:03 PM (Suggest Removal)
Not all Muslims around the world are insulted by ham or alcohol or turn toward mecca and pray to allah 5 times a day. Just like all Catholics don't always go to church or follow the 10 commandments all the time. The general media, Fox included, handled this whole incident in a ham-fisted manner, by not verifying that the parody the other week wasn't hamming-it-up. Pork-Barrel politics has always had a place in America, a particular group of people just need to elect a representative who'll take care of their specific needs, it happens all the time in our society, look at New York City, or even Lewiston. I still have a hard time getting my head around how a ham on a high school table in America can be labled a hate crime, as the accusation appears more hateful than the prank, especially when the accusation comes from an adult supervisor and is levelled at a juvenile. The broken noses I witnessed in the LHS cafeteria as a student back in the day between some good old fashioned Lewiston homeboy athletes who had no ethnic excuses for their boorish behavior as they were of the same general ethnic background, remain more hateful and damaging examples of high school behavior than a ham on a table, or am I just nostalgic for the good old days of stairwell stink bombs and high school cafeteria fistfights? The latter belong on the ice rink when we play EL or Waterville you say? The thing was boys then were boys, and the boys back then even made up and became friends after having their noses split. We used to come from a tolerant society that forgave, are we moving toward behaving like the societies overseas we see on TV where a percieved slight: religious, ethnic, or otherwise can turn into a murderous civil war? I hope not, that's not the USA we grew up in, we had our civil war back in the 1860's I thought, and moved past that long ago.

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Posted By:Jeffrey at May 3, 2007 12:04 PM (Suggest Removal)
Maybe you have a link to an online bible and we can look these up ourselves if we want to....

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 12:06 PM (Suggest Removal)
Jeffrey, yes, I do... you can google one if you'd like or look them up in your own... I think they are all referenced for you.

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Posted By:Marilyn at May 3, 2007 12:14 PM (Suggest Removal)
Jeffrey, with all the typos here on these blogs I understand people make errors...I was just pointing out that he spelled the word taught wrong but neglected to point out that he misspelled it several times lol...but that wasn't my major point in my comment, so who cares? Have a great day all...whether American or Somalian! and remember, Jesus loves you (whether American or Somalian or Jew or Jehovah Witness)

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Posted By:Observing at May 3, 2007 12:22 PM (Suggest Removal)
"Kids being kids"- If the child through it and laughed- he knew exactly what he was doing. I don't care if a student is pink purple yellow or green. I agree that the school handled it appropriately by suspending the student. I am not sure about the AG though. I would need more information. Kids can be the most cruelest beings on the planet.

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Posted By:Blue Eyes at May 3, 2007 12:39 PM (Suggest Removal)
To Joy and Reality....oh please. This was not an incident where someone sat down and ate a ham sandwhich. And this was also not an incident of kids being kids. I don't feel the kids should have been charged with anything...but they do need to be reprimanded by the school. What they did was intentional and mean. Whether we are black,white,somolian,jewish,french,homosexuals...whatever...we are all human beings. We all have the same wants,needs and desires. This world is so full of predjudice that it's sickening. In school I was picked on because I was fat..then taunted because I'm gay...people need to worry about only themselves and just stop "hating" others for no justified reason.

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Posted By:ojhuig at May 3, 2007 12:44 PM (Suggest Removal)
Tired, in one line you said the Somali student was not accepted into the program, then you lamented (by misspelling "ludicrous") that we have to put up with it. Put up with what? The student was turned away.

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Posted By:ojhuig at May 3, 2007 12:45 PM (Suggest Removal)
Victor, maybe it wasn't forgiveness after all, but unexpressed resentment resulting in later retribution.

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 1:02 PM (Suggest Removal)
I’ve been wondering why people are so divided on this issue. You either “get it” or you don’t. For me, it’s puzzling that someone could not see this incident for what it is. Wrong. Just plain wrong. Rude, insulting, hateful, hurtful, intolerant, mean spirited and wrong. Even if the child’s intent was totally innocent and not meant to insult, ridicule and hurt (that is obviously not the case), he still bears the responsibility of being corrected and facing the consequences. To look at this situation and think that the insulted party is merely being hypersensitive is what I mean by saying “you don’t get it”. For those people, perhaps you grew up in a home where it was typical to be insulted, hurt, ridiculed etc. and you came to realize this kind of behavior as normal and have grown so hardened to it that you cannot even fathom why others are not able to just “deal with it” or “ignore it” when it happens to them. You see it as no big deal- after all, in your world, it’s perfectly acceptable to disrespect and be disrespected. I say, shouldn’t we strive for better? Shouldn’t we strive to treat others with respect? When you treat others with respect you are ultimately showing respect for yourself.

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Posted By:hon. william r. at May 3, 2007 1:06 PM (Suggest Removal)
marilyn as far as the comment you made yes my mother taught me well and you don't know my mother and for you trepanation yes i did graduate from college with a degree. as for my misspelled word marilyn its a honest mistake that anyone with a college education could make. and trepanation as for you i am a christian and i do read the bible. for someone who says verses from the bible you sure be the one who's judges everybody.

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Posted By:Kelly at May 3, 2007 1:20 PM (Suggest Removal)
Why is a Christian who opposed their child being taught sex ed in the third grade or who disagrees with evolution and extremist to be ridiculed, but someone who fears ham honored?

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Posted By:at work...you?? at May 3, 2007 1:34 PM (Suggest Removal)
Trepanation, I think you make very good points but unfortunately the world isn't going to be changed by a one person campaign. These same Somali kids were being student taught by my child last year in Auburn. Being a female, in a Somali males eyes, she was a subservient being who deserved no respect. She was sworn at, spit at, and ignored when she spoke to the boys. At trip to the office resulted in nothing for fear of upsetting anyone and being accused of hate. A boy who was found to have pot in his bag was only spoken to. No suspension, no detention. Nothing. If they Can't, don't, or won't want to assimilate, they deserve nothing from me. No pity, no changing my habits, nothing. Can't fairly paint them all with a broad brush, but it is human nature. I will hold a door for anyone reagrdless of your gender or color, but if you don't acknowledge my act, you fall into a bucket already full of trash. Are all black people lazy drug dealers on welfare? No, but so many are that the public perception has become just that. Are all poor people lazy work shirkers? No, but we paint them as one. All Somalis not working and expecting us to cower to them. Certainly not. This has nothing to do with being a christian, or catholic? No more than it does if you are a painter or a lawyer. It is about mutual respect. Given, earned, and shared.

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 1:47 PM (Suggest Removal)
Cindy, a true Christian is just as offended- if not more so- by hate of Muslimes as they are of the theory of evolution and sex ed. in schools.

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 1:49 PM (Suggest Removal)
Hon.william r.- Deciding whether I believe that you're a judge and/or educated is not judging is discernment.

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Posted By:hon. william r. at May 3, 2007 1:54 PM (Suggest Removal)
trepanation, i'm not a judge, i'm a former state representative of maine.

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 2:02 PM (Suggest Removal)
I highly doubt that.

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Posted By:hon. william r. at May 3, 2007 2:05 PM (Suggest Removal)
trepanation what do you highly doubt. that i'm not a judge or a former state representative or both.

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 2:19 PM (Suggest Removal)
College educated and a former state rep.

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Posted By:hon. william r. at May 3, 2007 2:22 PM (Suggest Removal)
well i am a college grad and yes i'm aso a former state rep. in the 119th and the 120th maine legislature.

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Posted By:PLS at May 3, 2007 2:23 PM (Suggest Removal)
I see alot of you have forgotten that this is a blog for opinions and views. It is not a place to attack one another period. We call it a Democracy for a reason. We will always debate our views but there is no need to attack specific people here.

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Posted By:Tara at May 3, 2007 2:26 PM (Suggest Removal)
let it go already. The kid is suspended, the Somalian child wasn't harmed, you can still eat ham if you don't throw it at anyone, and some people can't spell

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Posted By:Dan at May 3, 2007 2:40 PM (Suggest Removal)
There is no right "not to be offended."

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Posted By:Jane at May 3, 2007 2:41 PM (Suggest Removal)
Were you rep. in Washington or Augusta? What is your name?

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Posted By:Matthew at May 3, 2007 2:45 PM