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Posted By:lou at May 26, 2007 5:24 AM (Suggest Removal)
Who was driving the truck that stopped to let her cross? It seems that this person might be more responsible. How was this woman supposed to see the girl if she was crossing in front of the truck on a green light?
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Posted By:tami at May 26, 2007 7:07 AM (Suggest Removal)
this girl is one of my relatives and i still find it very unclear how she became pinned under the car
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Posted By:mad memere at May 26, 2007 7:12 AM (Suggest Removal)
so the truck should have run her down??? you must be defending senior drivers. explain why after hitting the girl that she continued to move forward and pinning her down even more. she should not be driving and if the state was allowed to give road test like they use to before we worried about discrimination just maybe she would not be driving.
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Posted By:Ray at May 26, 2007 7:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
We should let the police investigate this before saying who is responsible; saying an older driver is reesponsible is not right any more than saying a teenaged driver is. Mature people are as alert ass anyone else.
The truck driver, if he/she stopped and motioned the girl on is responsible for a serious breach of safety. The young girl is also responsible for her actions if she passed a red light. Bicyclists have to follow the rules of the road.
An accident such as this has many reasons, and we must let the experts (police) discover what they can, and not point fingers at anyone because of our prejudices such as age, or any other reasons.
Those of us who were not there just do not know what happenned. Nor does reading a newspaper article make us qualified to reach a conclusion.
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Posted By:tami at May 26, 2007 7:22 AM (Suggest Removal)
im not saying the older lady is my relative...the 15 year old is and no neither vehicle should have hit her..i agree with the elders not having a license after a certain age
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Posted By:Unknown at May 26, 2007 7:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
I feel horrible for both parties in this accident. The poor girl AND the elderly woman who must feel absolutely horrible. Nevermind taking away her license, she probably will never drive again because of what happened. I hope the girl recovers quickly. Accidents happen to everyone, regardless of age...I'm anxious to see how this investigation turns out. I hope the woman doesnt get into too much trouble, I cant help it, I have a soft heart for the elderly.
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Posted By:Skip at May 26, 2007 8:02 AM (Suggest Removal)
Who are you to say that elders should not drive after a certain age?I've seen a lot of young punks who are even more dangerous on the highways.Maybe people shouldn't be allowed to drive until they are 30.Oh,and by the way,If the young girl had been obeying the law this wouldn't have happened.
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Posted By:Blue Eyes at May 26, 2007 8:35 AM (Suggest Removal)
Well Lucienne....first...what would be wrong in defending the senior driver? And you seem to forget you will be one of those "seniors" someday. If you'd been paying attention when this accident first came to the SJ...it cleary stated the girl on the bike went into traffic when the light turned green. Just because the truck sat,stopped..tells the drivers in the other lane nothing. I have seen SO MANY times where drivers are still sitting at a green light because their attention is on something else. Why is it that people think once you hit a certain age...you become stupid and careless and your body functions become useless? I have an uncle who is 89 and a darn good driver whom I would ride with quicker then I would with some of my friends in their 40s! So Lucienne....you will officially be considered a senior when you turn 55....I expect you will hand in your license then because you will be too old and useless to drive.Give the woman a break...I feel horrible for the poor girl hit in the accident....but I have also had many cases where kids on bikes,rollerblades,skateboards...
come gliding out into traffic thinking I can stop on a dime because they have the right of way.
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Posted By:tami at May 26, 2007 8:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
think about it 3:15 thats the time schools end around here she was in the area of the school that stretch from b4 the school and to the corner is posted school zone...whats that mean KIDS CROSSING USE CAUTOIN....
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Posted By:Blue Eyes at May 26, 2007 9:06 AM (Suggest Removal)
Yes...that is the time kids are getting out of school..and yes...we are to use caution...BUT...."anyone" on bicycles need to use caution as well on a busy traffic street and/or intersection. We as drivers can only do so much to be cautious. I'm a good driver,go the speed limit,which seems to tick many people off....but even when I am going 25 in a 25 zone..if someone comes out in front of me....I still may hit them....no matter how hard I hit that brake. This is based on assumption,but I highly doubt the woman that hit her was busting at high speeds through that light!
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Posted By:Jeff at May 26, 2007 9:09 AM (Suggest Removal)
Just a suggestion, the truck, in the left lane, most likely was sitting there waiting to make a left turn. Cars coming from the opposite direction on Webster Street most likely just started across. If the bicyclist came across then, this would explain why the truck did not move and elderly driver in the right lane started moving. Of course her view would have been blinded because of the size of the truck. It is fortunate the driver did not keep going. Lets all hope this young person recovers soon.
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Posted By:Blue Eyes at May 26, 2007 10:08 AM (Suggest Removal)
Good thought Jeff....I wish more people would think that way. If the driver had been 48 instead of 88....no one would think twice that maybe the driver shouldn't have their license. People need to be more open minded. Not all elderly people driving are road hazards. Not all teenage drivers are road hazards. Everyone worries so much about elderly people driving. What about those habitual offenders that have had their license suspended a dozen times for who knows what. They end up getting their license back! And they are the ones that we have read about so frequently lately...actually killing people. My thoughts and prayers are with the young girl and her family....and also with Alma. A dear friend of mine a few years back accidently hit and killed a pedestrian. I can't began to tell you how this affected her....and still does.
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Posted By:Bill in NC at May 26, 2007 10:09 AM (Suggest Removal)
Just a thought...In the original article it stated the cyclist proceeded into the traffic as the light was turning green. Now if that was a motor vehicle that had been struck they would have been at fault for running the light. Same rules apply to cyclists, at least they do in NC. This is assuming the driver of the truck was not directing traffic by motioning her to cross. That is another issue. I have never been a proponent of the elderly driving, but I must say this woman is not at fault. Whatever happened to walking your bike across intersections like we did when I was a kid back in the dark ages? It was done for just this reason. If she had walked across with her bike, chances are the light would have changed, and traffic would have started and the accident avoided. I hope all involved recover fully physically and emotionally.
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Posted By:ojhuig at May 26, 2007 10:54 AM (Suggest Removal)
I can speak from experience on this one. I was hit by a car when I was that age, though I wasn't on my bike at the time and I wasn't hurt as badly as Kasha is. I can tell you unequivocally it was my fault. I was thinking about whatever teens think about, and totally ignored the traffic. If the truck stopped because Kasha was already in the road, it was a good thing. But it the truck stopped to wave her across, then yes, that driver caused the accident.I fail to see how the other driver's age is a part of this.
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Posted By:JohnBerry at May 26, 2007 10:59 AM (Suggest Removal)
As a citizen I would first like to thank the people who tried to assist in helping to rescue Kasha. We hear all too frequently about people who will not get involved. It is a comfort to know that there are people in our community who act quickly when someone is in need.------ I join Kasha's family and friends in praying that Kasha will have a swift and complete recovery. Things like this effect family and friends and I pray that they will find comfort and strength in each other. ------ Finally I pray for Mrs. Caux, and her family and friends. I cannot begin to imagine the horror any of us would have being involved in injuring another person in an accident. Mrs. Caux, Kasha, need our comfort and prayer and not recriminations and speculation.
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Posted By:Blue Eyes at May 26, 2007 11:52 AM (Suggest Removal)
To Bill and ojhuig ...it's nice to see there are more open minded people. People seem to tend to look at someones age and then make judgements. If the accident involved a teen driver...oops...someone condemns all teen drivers. If the accident involves an elderly person.....oops again..someone condemns all elderly drivers. People,at any age...can be horrible drivers that don't belong on the road. Just this morning,I was waiting for traffic to clear to pull out of a store parking lot. A vehicle had their blinker on to turn into this very lot. And yes the blinker was put on in plenty of time for those behind to take notice. This turning vehicle was almost rear-ended by a woman( probably no more then 30 yrs old )in a large pickup,yacking on her cell phone and speeding. She had to hit her brakes...and then had the nerve to flip off the woman making the turn!
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Posted By:Kevin at May 26, 2007 12:59 PM (Suggest Removal)
drivers should have to be retested every 3 years no matter what age. Items to test should be vision, reaction times and knowledge of current laws. there are many people,regardless of age, who should not be driving
as for cell phone usage while driving it should be illegal
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Posted By:Lisa at May 26, 2007 1:52 PM (Suggest Removal)
The driver of the truck did not wave the girl by. He was stopped at the light as was the lady who hit the girl. The light changed as she was passing his truck. He was helpless to do anything to stop the events and feels horrible that he had to witness this tragic event. To suggest that he's somehow responsible is ridiculous. He was also one of the people helping to jack up the car and get the girl out.
My prayers are with Kasha and her family.
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Posted By:Blue Eyes at May 26, 2007 1:58 PM (Suggest Removal)
I'm with you Lisa!
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Posted By:Me at May 26, 2007 2:09 PM (Suggest Removal)
I drive through this intersection every day on my way home from work and let's face it, this could happen to ANYONE. I feel for all parties involved. I'm focusing on praying for everyone's physical & mental recovery more than who is to blame. Kudos to all those people involved in helping in the aftermath of the accident, including Public Works and LPD.
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Posted By:Unknown at May 26, 2007 3:22 PM (Suggest Removal)
Audrey...I agree with you 100%
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Posted By:Anon at May 26, 2007 7:26 PM (Suggest Removal)
3:15 is not when the high school gets out. they get out at 1:45 or 2:15 so this was over an hour later. I know this elderly woman and she would not hurt a fly. She is a shorter lady and with a truck next to her she probably couldn't see the bike. As far as driving over her, if you hit a child panic would set in and you would have no idea what to do. I hit a young child about 8 years ago when he came flying ut of an alley leaving me no time to stop. He was 4 riding a bike downtown with no supervision 3 blocks from home. I freaked out and had no idea what to do. Luckily, he just had a small fracture and was home the next day. I was 30 years old and an excellent driver no tickets or accidents except that one. Accidents happen and sometimes it has nothing to do with how old somene is or how good of a driver they are. That would be why they are called ACCIDENTS!!!! There were plenty of witnesses and I am sure the police will figure it out. I can say that I am pretty sure that Alma will not be driving again because all of this probably scared her.
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Posted By:Blue Eyes at May 26, 2007 7:57 PM (Suggest Removal)
My heart goes out to Alma....I'm sure she is suffering terribly with all this.
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Posted By:ojhuig at May 26, 2007 7:58 PM (Suggest Removal)
Don't even get me started on parents who don't keep their pre-schoolers out of the street! I'll bet the person who hit and slightly injured me must have had nightmares for a long time because of my innattention. I can only imagine what happens to you emotionally if the accident is even worse.
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