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Motorcyclists hurt in Lisbon Street wreck

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Thursday, September 13, 2007

LEWISTON - A man and woman were hurt Wednesday afternoon when their motorcycle and a car collided on outer Lisbon Street, sending both riders sprawling to the roadway.

Police said 36-year-old Katie Liberty of Lewiston, the passenger on the bike, was in and out of consciousness when they arrived at Lisbon Street and Gould Road.

Liberty was taken to Central Maine Medical Center with an apparent head injury suffered in the 4:30 p.m. collision.

The driver of the motorcycle, 32-year-old Matthew Roy of Lewiston, suffered an injury to his hip in the wreck, police said. He was also taken to CMMC.

The conditions of the victims were not immediately available Wednesday night. Police said neither injury appeared life-threatening.

Roy was driving his Harley-Davidson west on Lisbon Road when a car driven by Dennis Martin, 56, of Lewiston, pulled from Gould Road, police said.

Martin, driving a Pontiac Bonneville, did not have a clear view of approaching traffic because of a box van turning from Lisbon Street onto Gould Road at the same time, police said.

According to a crash report, Roy's Harley struck the front bumper of Martin's car, causing the bike to crash to the side of the road.

The wreck occurred at the start of the commuter hour, causing long traffic snarls on both sides of outer Lisbon Street.

Police said they were assisted by several people who stopped at the scene to help the victims or lend aid in other ways. A man driving a beer delivery truck used his vehicle to keep approaching traffic from the victims until emergency crews arrived, police said.

The crash remained under investigation Wednesday night.

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Posted By:DJ at September 13, 2007 6:33 AM (Suggest Removal)
Quick thinking and my hat is off to the guy in the beer truck! Most people would have been too freaked out to think of that. Sounds like Katie didn't have a helmet on. Again another brain injury - when will riders learn to protect their BRAIN ??? Use your brain riders and protect it.

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Posted By:Barbara at September 13, 2007 6:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
I myself always cringe when I see a biker with no lid........What not cool??? They have Very cool lids....Protect your head or you could be dead....Ride safe!

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Posted By:Just a thought at September 13, 2007 7:24 AM (Suggest Removal)
How about making sure you have a clear view before pulling out????? The driver of the vehicle did not have a clear view because there was a truck turning so he pulled out anyway! Hopefully the motorcyclists will each have a full recovery. It's scary being on a bike these days!!! Also, to the people that insist on tailgaiting, STOP IT! Remember there is not much protection for people on motorcycles.

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Posted By:ski at September 13, 2007 8:13 AM (Suggest Removal)
I ride and am so sick of people like Martin pulling out from side streets without a clear view. If box truck is turning and you can't see behind it don't go, simple concept really. I must comment on the people commenting about riders without "lids"...Maine doesn't have a helmut law but it has a seat belt law think about it not too darned bright if you ask me.

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Posted By:kaos at September 13, 2007 9:03 AM (Suggest Removal)
LET THOSE WHO RIDE DECIDE

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Posted By:wake up at September 13, 2007 9:14 AM (Suggest Removal)
My understanding, from the riders I know, is that each would rather be dead by head on pavement or blunt force to a vehicle because wearing a lid would snap their neck leaving them dead or paralyzed anyway. Those who ride do decide.

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Posted By:Melanie at September 13, 2007 9:17 AM (Suggest Removal)
OK wait not to be rude but you guys are really talking about wearing helmets during all of this? Did you read the article??? Martin DID NOT have a CLEAR view... he should have waited 2 seconds before pulling out. And i agree with kaos.

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Posted By:Cyn at September 13, 2007 9:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
OK PEOPLE!!! IT'S NOT JUST CARS & TRUCKS THAT ARE AT FAULT IT IS ALSO THE BIKES!!!!! I AM VERY CAREFUL WHEN I SEE A BIKE & SOME OF THEM JUST DON'T CARE. SO BEFORE ANYONE BLAMES THE VEHICLES LOOK @ THE FACTS FOR ALL ACCIDENTS INVOLVING BIKES & CARS!!!!!!

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Posted By:Just a thought at September 13, 2007 9:27 AM (Suggest Removal)
Cyn, I'm not talking about "all" accidents, I'm talking about this one!

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Posted By:Kevin at September 13, 2007 9:28 AM (Suggest Removal)
Ummmm..Cyn, the facts are in the article. The guy did not have a clear view. What are you missing? I ride, and am very appreciative of the fact that you are indeed careful when you see bikes. Thank you for that. But your comment "some of them just don't care", implies that bikers do not care if they get hit and suffer massive injuries and potential death. Take a poll of all bikers, I bet they care.

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Posted By:Melanie at September 13, 2007 9:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
I do agree there are some people on motorcycles that don't drive like they should too but i am also just talking about this accident.

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Posted By:BRUCE at September 13, 2007 9:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
In living in the L/A area for many years, I find that the drivers there are among the rudest anyway, they don't obey traffic laws, and are always in a damn hurry to go nowhere. 40 M.P.H. in a 25 M.P.H.or a 15 M.P.H. zone, isn't cool either. No more than not stopping at crosswalks for pedestrains isn't cool. C'mon ppl of LA. start following the law, it might save your life or a family members life, think about it.

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Posted By:sacha at September 13, 2007 9:53 AM (Suggest Removal)
I drove past the accident yesterday before traffic was backed up. Neither rider was wearing a helmet. The Coors Light truck that helped to block traffic looked like they weren't going to be able to stop and end up running the motorcyclists over. That stressed me out for a moment. I have a video of that on my cell phone. I am a defensive motorcyclist for the first time this summer and have had many pull out in front of me and luckily I have been able to stop in time, but they were on a 40- 45 mph road and I'm sure that it probably happened suddenly. As I drove by I saw the girl laying on her belly side with her arms straight down to her sides. She wasn't moving at all. She was wearing orange/dark amber glasses/goggles and I could see her wide open eyes, as if they were staring into mine as I drove by very slowly. I thought that she was DEAD! I couldn't stop thinking about it yesterday. I felt a scary feeling that I can't even put in words. I was hoping that they were both ok.

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Posted By:Mike at September 13, 2007 9:58 AM (Suggest Removal)
Not wearng a helmet does not guarantee death vs paralysis. I know several riders who were not wearing helemts and have suffered brain injuries that do not allow them to ride any longer best case, and some now have mental function problems that have persited for years after the accident. One rider in particular had a fairly minor accident two years ago, and still cannot ride due to a brain lesion. Otherwise recovery was complete.

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Posted By:Cyn at September 13, 2007 10:25 AM (Suggest Removal)
I apologize for the miss understanding. I just get upset when people on bikes blames people in cars, when most of the time it's both @ fault. We ALL need to pay attention on the road, not just one for the other.

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Posted By:sacha at September 13, 2007 10:39 AM (Suggest Removal)
I lost a friend this summer on the same road. I don't blame people in cars all of the time. There are times when bikers are going more than the speed limit, which they fail to admit, and accidents happen. I am one to drive the speed limit and not drive right behind the person in front of me. I want to be seen and reduce the chance of having an accident, but I find a lot today that people seem to be in a hurry or maybe they're from another state and not used to the area, I don't know. Many people have pulled out in front of me just this summer alone. Those times were the people in the cars at fault. Probably because of going the speed limit and my reaction time, I've been able to stop and/or slow down soon enough to not have any problems. Not all people think the same or react the same.

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Posted By:Kevin at September 13, 2007 11:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
Cyn...I apologize as well if I came off harsh. There have just been a rash of these types of accidents as of late. In each one that I have read about so far, the car pulled into the path of the bike. It's just scary as hell that these incidents continue to occur. I just bought a brand new bike a few months ago and have barely riden it in the past month due to frequency of these types of accidents. Bikers do indeed need to take every precaution to ensure they are visible to others on the road, but people in cars need to do as you do and be very aware of bikes.

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Posted By:ojhuig at September 13, 2007 11:35 AM (Suggest Removal)
Where does it even mention helmets? I'm a helmet advocate but we don't know one way or the other, unless you have some kind of insider information. True, you do need a helmet to protect you from jerks like this who pull out with no clear view of the road. Let those who ride PAY THEIR OWN DARN REHAB BILLS

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Posted By:Tammy at September 13, 2007 12:08 PM (Suggest Removal)
Update on the riders...they're going to be ok. Matt, I believe, was released yesterday & Katie is being moved from critical care because she is in stable condition. She has suffered from a concussion and has a bit of road rash, but overall she'll be fine. I'm on way to visit her in the hospital & have printed a copy of this article & blogs for her to read. Also, to sacha, would it be possible for you to forward your video of the accident to my email: woopsi@midmaine.com. Thanks in advance.

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Posted By:AGB at September 13, 2007 12:25 PM (Suggest Removal)
I cannot stress more as to how important it is to wear helmets. My husband and I were at one time avid motorcyclists and wore our safety gear all the time. You just never know. Just because you are a good motorcycle driver doesn't mean you are exempt from harm or danger. I believe that both operators are at fault here, first Martin for not making sure there was no one behind the box truck before leaving Gould and the Motorcycle driver for probably following too close behind the box truck and no one was able to see him behind the truck. I think it's great they they are all going to be fine and I do wish them well. I lost a brother in a motorcycle accident many years ago and it was due to not wearing a helmet. I would still have my big brother today if it were not for the decision he made that day not to wear one. Brain injuries can be so devastating and most times unrepairable. I always say you can fix a broken arm or leg, but you can't fix a broken brain. We only have one and it's up to us to take care of that brain.

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Posted By:Kevin at September 13, 2007 12:32 PM (Suggest Removal)
Good news....wish them well for me.

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Posted By:Wanderer at September 13, 2007 12:36 PM (Suggest Removal)
Glad to hear both will be fine with time. To all those preaching the helmet crusade, this accident was caused by someone NOT paying attention and not having a clear view. I liveE 1/4 mile from where this took place. Lisbon street is a death trap. People go WAY to fast and do NOT look before turning and pulling out. I thought that the city was going to put in a turning lane in this area and slow the speed limit. Apparently NOT. I come home at 5 - 5:30 each night and once I pull off 95 and onto Lisbon I PRAY. I must make a left turn onto my street and each night I pray that people FLYING up behind me can see my turn signal. I am a motorcyclist also so you can imagine how I feel when on the bike and trying to turn with people flying all around us. As a tax payer, rider and driver in the area..........from us .....SLOW DOWN and PAY ATTENTION!!

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Posted By:AGB at September 13, 2007 12:54 PM (Suggest Removal)
UMMM Tammie, there is a turning lane there. I turn into Gould Road every day. Only it would have done the motorcyclist not good anyway because he was not turning. I know the accident was not caused due to not wearing helmets, but I think the point is that, maybe their injuries would have been lessened by wearing one. You are right when you say people should slow down and pay attention. People are in too much of a hurry to get nowhere fast. I always give motorcyclists a wide berth, not because they are driving irratically, but you just never know. Maybe because I have spent much time on a motorcycle myself to notice cars follow to closely sometimes. It's kinda scary.

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Posted By:AGB at September 13, 2007 1:00 PM (Suggest Removal)
I'd rather receive road rash any day instead of a head injury.

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Posted By:Steve at September 13, 2007 1:15 PM (Suggest Removal)
A helmet only gives the EMT's something to carry the brains off in.

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Posted By:Kevin at September 13, 2007 1:25 PM (Suggest Removal)
Real mature Steve. Grow up.

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Posted By:sacha at September 13, 2007 2:16 PM (Suggest Removal)
I tried to send the video and it says that the file size is too large...sorry! Another factor that could've made it hard for the people on the motorcycle is that the sun was blaring in their eyes, going that direction. I've know that when I go to college on my motorcycle that the sun makes it hard for me! I wear a helmet, but think that if someone was in an accident and I stopped to help them that I would not want to remove their helmet, even if it was causing them trouble. I wouldn't want to possibly cause them more damage.

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Posted By:Chris at September 13, 2007 2:40 PM (Suggest Removal)
People who spout off about helmets obviously don't ride motorcycles!! I feel helmet restrict your vision and only wear them at night for bugs to deflect off of. The issue isn't even helmets, it's STUPID people in cars trying to get ahead of others.... I think the fine on hitting bikes or motorcycles should be doubled. BUT, I also feel that motorcycle insurance should be adjusted if you weren't wearing a helmet. That way the insured has to absord some of the costs themselves. I still wouldn't wear a helmet even under those conditions. :-)

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Posted By:AGB at September 13, 2007 3:12 PM (Suggest Removal)
Susan, you sound like a road raged motorcyclist. I wear a helmet all the when I ride motorcycle behind my husband who also rides. Please let us know when you are on the road so we can stay off.

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Posted By:ojhuig at September 13, 2007 4:50 PM (Suggest Removal)
I think Susan makes sense. At least she's willing to assume the risk.

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Posted By:CHRISTIE at September 13, 2007 4:52 PM (Suggest Removal)
Start charging these drivers that don't pay attention and cause accidents. If they clearly state that they pulled out even though they didn't have a clear view...my God, what more do you need for admitance of guilt here? If you can't see...DON'T GO YET. These types of crashes are not "accidents".

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Posted By:AGB at September 13, 2007 6:30 PM (Suggest Removal)
I have driven behind three motorcyclists on Washington Road in Auburn, who were doing wheelies and stupid stuff. Not only Car drivers are endangering. So there's always someone who ruins it for everyone else who does good. That's the way it is here, nobody ever takes responsibility for their own actions, it's always somebody else's fault.

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Posted By:Diane at September 14, 2007 2:06 AM (Suggest Removal)
That's fine, as long as I can decide when you're a quad and brain injured not to have my taxpayer money go toward your 24 hour care. I think it's time we taxpayers stop having to pay for everyone's poor decision making skills!!

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Posted By:Diane at September 14, 2007 2:14 AM (Suggest Removal)
My comment was in response to "kaos' LET THOSE WHO RIDE DECIDE" comment.

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Posted By:RNGR at September 14, 2007 5:51 AM (Suggest Removal)
I don't have a choice when it comes to wearing a seatbelt. Yet motorcycle riders don't have to wear a helmet. That makes no sense at all.

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Posted By:Tammy at September 14, 2007 6:12 PM (Suggest Removal)
To Sacha, thanks for trying to send the video. Perhaps, you could email me your contact info so that we, including Katie & Matt, could take a look at the video. Email: woopsi@midmaine.com Update, they're both ok. Katie is slowly mending & will be staying another night in the hospital.

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Posted By:MARTHA at September 14, 2007 7:51 PM (Suggest Removal)
I tried to post this yesterday.. apparantly it either didn't post properly or was deleted. Here is the point.. everytime there is a mishap involving a motorcycle it never fails to bring out those who think they have a right to dictate what others do while riding. As long as Maine law gives motorcycle riders the prerogative as to whether to wear a helmet or not, it is no one else's business whether they do or not. Some should spend more time minding their own business instead of everyone else's.

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