Woman keeps sex-ed books
By Daniel Hartill
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Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 18, 2007
LEWISTON - A Lewiston woman wants to keep local children from seeing an acclaimed sex education book, "It's Perfectly Normal." So she checked out copies from the Lewiston and Auburn public libraries.
And she won't give them back.
"Since I have been sufficiently horrified of the illustrations and the sexually graphic, amoral abnormal contents, I will not be returning the books," JoAn Karkos wrote the local libraries last month.
A check for $20.95 accompanied each letter to cover the cost of the book.
"This has never happened before," said Rick Speer, director of the Lewiston Public Library. "It is clearly theft."
He may even ask police for help.
Though he sent back the check, along with a form Karkos could use to request the book's removal from library shelves, he may take action in court if she doesn't return what she borrowed.
"That's really what we want," Speer said. "We want the book back."
It seems unlikely.
In her second letter to Speer, Karkos cited a war on morality and called the volume "pornographic."
"The truth is the contents of the book in question leads to a lot of misery, pain, lack of freedom, and often death," Karkos wrote. Written by Robie H. Harris and illustrated by Michael Emberley, the book was published in 1993. Subtitled "Changing Bodies, Growing Up, Sex & Sexual Health," the book features frank but cartoon-like illustrations of naked people in chapters on topics such as abstinence, masturbation and sexually transmitted diseases.
According to its publisher, Massachusetts-based Candlewick Press, it has been sold in 25 countries and translated into 21 languages.
Planned Parenthood has championed the book, including an interview with the author on its Web site. But the book has been harshly criticized by conservative groups such as Concerned Women for America and the anti-abortion American Life League.
In 2005, the book topped the American Library Association's list of most challenged books. The list also included books by J.D. Salinger, Toni Morrison and Judy Blume.
In 23 years as a librarian, Speer said he has faced only two challenges.
None was like this.
Rosemary Waltos, the director of the Auburn Public Library, called Karkos' decision not to return the book "an inappropriate act."
And it will likely be fruitless, Waltos said.
"If somebody wants a copy, they can get one," she said. At least three dozen Maine libraries have copies available for interlibrary loan, she said.
In the past six years - as far back as the Lewiston library keeps its records - the book has been checked out only 16 times. It was renewed 15 times.
Both libraries have ordered replacements for the books Karkos took. In fact, since the Sun Journal published a letter to the editor from Karkos condemning the book, requests have risen, so Speer ordered two more copies.
If people have an objection, they are welcome to talk to him. They can also submit an official request for removal of the book from the library.
"We have a policy of covering all the sides of controversial issues," he said.
A notice comes with every library card. In fact, parents are encouraged to accompany their children to the library.
"We don't restrict what kids borrow," he said. "We can't act in a role of parent."
The book issue will be discussed Wednesday by the Lewiston Board of Library Trustees. Speer will ask for reactions and feedback.
Karkos could not be reached for comment on Monday. |
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Posted By:Jolly Roger at September 18, 2007 5:39 AM (Suggest Removal) "According to its publisher, Massachusetts-based Candlewick Press, it has been sold in 25 countries and translated into 21 languages."
.Perhaps it hasn't been translated into Karkos yet?
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Posted By:me at September 18, 2007 5:43 AM (Suggest Removal) Of course Planned Parenthood has "championed" the book--they are one of the biggest proponents of abortion. I highly commend Karkos for standing up to the ever-increasing degradation of our society.
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Posted By:Mainah47 at September 18, 2007 5:52 AM (Suggest Removal) The public library is not a book store. They do sell older books to make room, but they choose what to sell, not the patrons. If Ms. Karkos wants the book removed from the library shelves, stealing the book and the accompaning newspaper articles will only drum up interest in the books contents. Mr. Speer has but one choice, call the police and file charges against her. We are becoming a vigilante society, and Ms. Karkos's actions only further prove this. There are legal avenues she could take, but prefers to take unlawful ones. What kind of two faced message does this send to our childrenwhen it is coming from someone that it would appear comes from the family values party? That it is ok to steal, as long as it offends you?
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Posted By:DaveM at September 18, 2007 6:08 AM (Suggest Removal) Karkos' self appointed mission as guardian of public morals really reveals the impulse of a petty tyrant, the belief that she can and should dictate the values of other families.
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Posted By:me at September 18, 2007 6:27 AM (Suggest Removal) It is interesting how people choose to ignore the true issue and focus instead on her act of "stealing". It is shameful then to attempt to degrade Ms. Karkos by casting doubt on her mental health. The lack of morality is not in the "stealing", but in production such books that DO degrade our society through the innocent victims--our children.
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Posted By:DJ at September 18, 2007 6:40 AM (Suggest Removal) This is AMERICA Ms. Karkos. We should be able to read whatever we want here. It's a FREE country. What do you think are soldiers are fighting for right now - FREEDOM. Why don't you move to another country and become a citizen there instead.
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Posted By:Mainah47 at September 18, 2007 6:54 AM (Suggest Removal) It starts quietly. A movement to ban books deemed unappropriate by an individual or group. The movement works, and the book or books are removed from public view. Not wanting to leave the limelight, these self appointed guardians of right, pick other books they alone deem as unfit to be read by anyone. Soon, their beliefs lead text books to be spirited away, perhaps because they mention evolution, or some other "IDEA" with which they disagree. Who amongst us shall be the censor? Should it be Ms. karkos? Or perhaps the government?
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Posted By:DJ at September 18, 2007 6:57 AM (Suggest Removal) By the way, this book is sold on Ebay and is so inexpensive, it doesn't even need to be checked out of a library. Just buy it online. It ranges anywhwere from 99 cents to $5.00 in most Ebay stores. Ms. Karkos, how you going to steal those books on ebay?
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Posted By:deepee at September 18, 2007 6:59 AM (Suggest Removal) seems to me that while her intentions are good, her choice of action is poor....in the end, that book will be checked out more than ever before....ms.karkos....plan backfired!
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Posted By:advocate at September 18, 2007 7:04 AM (Suggest Removal) I'm not so sure but what the Libraries and Education departments have been helping to re-write History and charting a new course for our American Children. It's not the grass roots it's the Governments that have brought about sensor, and taken away freedoms. Look at WWII. If we don't learn from History it will repeat itself. Just a little side note: My Mother learned to read from a School Book called The Holy Bible. Parents- trash or treasure is your choice, and if you allow your child to read unhealthy material, then there is a price to pay. I think parents better wake up and get a handle on what their Children read. If we all took action to protect our kids then there would be no need for drastic protests.
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Posted By:unknown at September 18, 2007 7:04 AM (Suggest Removal) the book features frank but cartoon-like illustrations of naked people in chapters on topics such as abstinence, masturbation and sexually transmitted diseases.
sounds like a book about life to me
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Posted By:Jason at September 18, 2007 7:04 AM (Suggest Removal) Well Ms. Karkos; don't worry. Now that you have taken the books, the kids will stop experimenting with sex......
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Posted By:Lynda at September 18, 2007 7:13 AM (Suggest Removal) I think Ms Karkos has a good point, but I think she is going about it the wrong way. The library does have a form to fill out requesting removal. I DO believe that sex education is VERY important for young people, but I also believe there is a fine line that should be observed. Education is key to young people if we don't want a lot of abortions or kids raising kids. Maybe have a policy where the book can be borrowed, but must be signed for by an adult or at least a 16 year old?
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Posted By:ME2 at September 18, 2007 7:34 AM (Suggest Removal) This lady sounds nuts! Its MY job to make sure my children arent reading this material not HERS! Ive read this book before when I was about 14 and I thought it was educational. Its not made for perverts, its made to teach. Kids learn about sex ed in school, what is this lady going to do next call in bomb threats to the schools so kids wont ever learn about sex?
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Posted By:me at September 18, 2007 7:46 AM (Suggest Removal) Karkos needs serious medical help. Sex ed is a good thing and does not lead to promiscuity (sp?). She is seriously sick and the police should be involved this is theft.
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Posted By:Carol at September 18, 2007 7:46 AM (Suggest Removal) Steal the book? she sent a 20$ check for each book she didn't return. He returned the check. That doesnt make her a thief, whether you agree with her actions or not.
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Posted By:Jen at September 18, 2007 7:55 AM (Suggest Removal) So, Carol, if I come to your house, take your stuff, and leave a check, that's just commerce? A library is not a bookstore any more than your house is an indoor, year-round yard sale. Taking things that don't belong to you is stealing.
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Posted By:M at September 18, 2007 8:04 AM (Suggest Removal) The Library, the publishers, and bookstores have every right to have this book on their shelves. It is not up to the public to teach children morality, it is up to the parents. And having children be curious about their bodies is perfectly normal! If our society waits until the children are 16 years old, they've missed something huge. If you want children to be safely educated, allowing them to read a book is completely the place to do it, especially if the parents have explained everything to the child. If children are curious, they are going to look for answers. It is more safe to allow this in a book than by giving the child free range of the Internet, where sexual predators abound. Allowing this individual to remove this book from certain library shelves is infringing on everyone elses right to Freedom of Speech. If individuals start slowly, quietly, removing books, songs on the radio (Check out Clear Channel Communications list of songs that are banned from the airwaves after 9/11), poetry, and it will progress to artists, spokespersons, and religious leaders and eventually, government officials. Look at the Holocaust.
If you're not outraged, You're not paying attention!
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Posted By:kas:) at September 18, 2007 8:07 AM (Suggest Removal) Okay. Here's my opinion...Karkos has some issues. For centuries, people, mostly women, have been taught that sex is a bad thing and that we should hate our bodies for the pleasures and good things it can do for us. There are no more abortions that happen now than there were 50 years ago. We just document most of them now. Sex is NATURAL, NORMAL and HEALTHY. Sheltering our children from all things sexual will only leave the door open to too many unanswered questions that any pervert off the street can answer in their own twisted way. Why should we be ashamed of our bodies or of the fact that we can and do have sex for purposes other thatn reproduction? We are NOT the only species to do so!! Grow up Karkos and realize that what you have is your to know and understand, not hide and ignore. You are living a hlaf life Ms. Karkos...I have pity on you.
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Posted By:WayneB at September 18, 2007 8:08 AM (Suggest Removal) As a previous writer said, the best way to increase interest is to tell a young person not to read something. I expect the publisher, book sellers are quite pleased with Carol's free advertising. Is she a parent? In my career, I have I have seen a number of young pregnant girls who were clueless of how it happen. Ignorance is not bliss.
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Posted By:Robert61 at September 18, 2007 8:09 AM (Suggest Removal) Perhaps we could all learn from Ms. Karks and go to the library and remove any book that conflicts with our personal loral code - oh wait, then we wouldn't need a library right? As to her sending a check, I do recall ever being given that option by the library, did she make thatd ecision on her own?
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Posted By:Mark at September 18, 2007 8:16 AM (Suggest Removal) Why does it always seem to be the moral religious people who get to decide which commandments they live by, I believe Thou shall not steal is one of them. Stealing is taking something that is not for sale like this book. Whether u offer to pay for it after the fact is irrelevant as in most theft case u are required to provide restitution. We don't need you to be the moral compass for our families.
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Posted By:cynthia at September 18, 2007 8:19 AM (Suggest Removal) Clearly, this woman has issues. . . not the least of which includes control. May she find some peace in her life, but something tells me it won't happen by taking books off library shelves so others cannot have access to them!
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Posted By:anonymous at September 18, 2007 8:26 AM (Suggest Removal) "The lack of morality is not in the "stealing", but in production such books that DO degrade our society through the innocent victims--our children."
Okay Mcdonald's, BK, Wendy's, (degrading our society by making us so obese we can't even move) video games, and violence on tv, do these not have any affect on our innocent children. This book is educating children on what they should expect to feel when they are going through teenage years. Most kids in Lewiston have parents that are not involved with their children's lives and don't educate them about sex, hence the high teenage pregnancy rate. You cant stop kids from having sex at least this book teaches kids what they sometimes dont hear from parents, it teaches you everything you need to know about choices that you have and any questions. So until every single parent in this world gives 110% to there children i am thankful for books like these. only old school individuals think this is the devils writing and wont see this book for what it really is: a useful tool in a growing kids life.
think about this, a shy kid having bad feelings because he doesn't fit in with the other kids, maybe he masturbates and feels bad about it thinking he is the only one that does it, or maybe he is gay and doesn't know how to come out of the closet, this book lets him know that these feelings are okay and that he is not alone in this world he is not different and there are others out there that have similar feelings. what right is it of anyone to take this away, Jen was right it is stealing just cause you pay for it, IT WASNT FOR SALE.
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Posted By:??? at September 18, 2007 8:35 AM (Suggest Removal) Plain and simple: This woman is a kook! How dare she dictate what my children can and cannot read? Shame on you Joan Karkos!
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Posted By:Michael Dumas at September 18, 2007 8:41 AM (Suggest Removal) Yet another example of someone deciding to impose what they think is right on the rest of society. By drawing attention to this book, Karkos has now piqued the interest of potential readers. If Karkos has an issue with the book, then she needs to go through the proper channels. Since when does JoAn Karkos have the right to decide what the library stocks? Did we lose a war or something? We have rules here; this isn't Russia.
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Posted By:Edward at September 18, 2007 8:50 AM (Suggest Removal) Hey, I know, our kids may want to try guns and drugs, soooo, lets write books about HOW TO!!! We can teach them how to drink, drugs, guns, all the FREE Country stuff. Most of you self-appointed protectors of the first amendment should actually be made to live in your "own world". You would'nt be there long. But it would be nice to have you away from reality for a while.
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Posted By:Mark at September 18, 2007 8:54 AM (Suggest Removal) Hey Edward, that's what our government does. Teach kids to use guns, send them to war to kill and don't forget the great LSD expierements the Army had in the 60's to try and develop a super soldier.
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Posted By:ME2 at September 18, 2007 8:56 AM (Suggest Removal) There is a difference between doing drugs and shooting guns. Sex is something that almost everyone at some point is going to do. That isnt even a fair comparison.
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Posted By:EWR04976 at September 18, 2007 9:06 AM (Suggest Removal) The poor dear. If she needs it for personal reference, someone should just buy her a copy of her own.
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Posted By:Johnny P at September 18, 2007 9:10 AM (Suggest Removal) A, someone needs to explain the first amendment to Mrs. Karkos.
B, why did she take out the book in the first place? Seems to me she was wondering around the library looking for the word sex in the titles of books and found this one.
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Posted By:Belinda at September 18, 2007 9:15 AM (Suggest Removal) I will be buying the libraries NEW replacements!!!!!!!!!!!! How dare anyone try to decide what the majority shall read!!!!!!!!
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Posted By:Belinda at September 18, 2007 9:17 AM (Suggest Removal) THEFT
–noun 1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.
2. an instance of this.
3. Archaic. something stolen.
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Posted By:Belinda at September 18, 2007 9:21 AM (Suggest Removal) I hope she is brought to justice. This isn't a lost book she can have the choice to pay for the replacement. She took them with the intent of never returning them. Thus it's theft. Not only should she be charged but she should be banned from the library's use perminently.
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Posted By:Johnny P at September 18, 2007 9:34 AM (Suggest Removal) li·brar·y
-a place set apart to contain books, periodicals, and other material for reading, viewing, listening, study, or reference, where books may be read or borrowed.
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Posted By:Shannon at September 18, 2007 9:38 AM (Suggest Removal) Sounds like someone has a lot of pent-up sexual frustration...
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Posted By:EWR04976 at September 18, 2007 9:38 AM (Suggest Removal) I suspect the publisher may step up to the plate and replace the stolen copies. I'm a bookseller (not in L/A however) and have already been in touch with a representative of Candlewick. Figured they should know about the GREAT, FREE PUBLICITY this wonderful book is getting.
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Posted By:Regallily at September 18, 2007 9:44 AM (Suggest Removal) Well now, I bought a similar book for my son who was in the fifth grade at the time. He was getting a very brief (on day class) introduction into puberty, sex and how his body will change. Knowing that it would raise a lot MORE questions than answers...and knowing that a typical tween-teen isn't going to listen to what Mom or Dad say on the subject...I got him a non-fiction, age appropriate book for him to use as a reference with explicit instructions that he is to come to his father or I if he has more questions...and he has!! You see Joan...it was my CHOICE on how to handle what WILL happen to my child. It wasn't YOURS. I don't need anyone else to be my moral compass...I have that figured out for myself...and living in AMERICA gives me the fundamental right to decide whether my compass points North or South.
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Posted By:alexander at September 18, 2007 9:51 AM (Suggest Removal) I just wonder when people are going to realize that sex is not bad. Sex is as natural as eating and drinking. Hence the title of the book, It's Perfectly Normal. The sad part of the situation is that we have to have these books. Most people feel too akward to talk about sex and this causes them to avoid educating their own children about it. If anyone should learn about sex it should be through their parents.
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Posted By:lynn at September 18, 2007 9:57 AM (Suggest Removal) SHE should be charged with stealing she is totally wrong in my opinion to try to control what people read and all she did by stealing the books is make people wonder why and increase the sales of the book as with keeping the libriaries busy with loaning them!!! go about it the correct way this is a free country why have we been at war what have we been fighting for? like what was said prior move out of this country!!
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Posted By:AJ at September 18, 2007 10:11 AM (Suggest Removal) I'll bet this becomes a great blond joke... Maybe some should tell her that her publicity will increase demand for the book which will make the publisher print even more copies of it... Or maybe that is her point, she's just trying to insure that there are enough copies to go around..
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Posted By:Conrad at September 18, 2007 10:16 AM (Suggest Removal) I thought that removing and burning books that some people do not like,,,,isnt that what the Nazis did to the jews in WWII,
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Posted By:Edward at September 18, 2007 10:18 AM (Suggest Removal) I am always amazed that you self rightoues pagens are always upset when morals are "pushed" down your throat, but you have NO problem pushing your morlas down my throat. Oh, that's right, you have 1st amendement rights, because you are the keepers and beholders of all that is right. Man, get another world of your own, but I guarantee you would not live there long.
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Posted By:Andre at September 18, 2007 10:19 AM (Suggest Removal) Next thing you know, we will have a Fahrenheit 451 on our hands and big brother looking over our shoulders. What is going to censored next?
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Posted By:VINK80 at September 18, 2007 10:21 AM (Suggest Removal) NOT A LOT OF COMMON SENSE IN THE MANY COMMENTS ABOVE ------ SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF LITTLE KIDS PLAYING IN A SAND BOX !!!!!!
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Posted By:Regallily at September 18, 2007 10:23 AM (Suggest Removal) Self Righteous Pagan? I'll consider that a compliment...thanks Edward.
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Posted By:AJ at September 18, 2007 10:24 AM (Suggest Removal) Oh I get it Edward, if we don't agree with you then we are "pagens". Excuse me, I think I must go dance around a tree naked...
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Posted By:Michael Dumas at September 18, 2007 10:24 AM (Suggest Removal) Perhaps she should read Fahrenheit 451, or in her case, steal it.
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Posted By:Michael Dumas at September 18, 2007 10:32 AM (Suggest Removal) Wow Woose, totally on the same page there. As far as Edward and being pagans and pushing morals down people's throats, we aren't talking about vivid, hard-core porn. We are talking about an educational device. It is far better if we educate our children about the issues. I wonder what your views on the DARE program are.
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Posted By:ojhuig at September 18, 2007 10:44 AM (Suggest Removal) Her intentions are not good. She's judgmental and wrong-headed. She wants to ban something that isn't even bad.
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Posted By:M at September 18, 2007 11:03 AM (Suggest Removal) When is this book going to be available at the library? I want to read it!! Now I'm curious, and no I'm not a pervert. It has my full attention.
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Posted By:Joy at September 18, 2007 11:13 AM (Suggest Removal) The problem with society is that parents are leaving all of the education to the schools. Sex ed, among other things, NEEDS to start at home. If we don't teach our kids that these things ARE very normal, and a part of life that they will encounter - how will they know how to react? We cannot continue to shelter our children from the facts of life. Being educated BEFORE these issues arise is the most important tool.
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Posted By:Johnny P at September 18, 2007 11:15 AM (Suggest Removal) Shannon said the "S" word. I'm telling Karkos to borrow the web servers to ban this site.
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Posted By:Mark at September 18, 2007 11:25 AM (Suggest Removal) Edward, if you don't want to read it you don't have to(that's called freedom of choice). No one is forcing you to read it. Your way is no one has a choice to read it(not that I'm calling you a facist nazi or anything) so who is pushing thier agenda on whom?
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Posted By:Andre at September 18, 2007 11:43 AM (Suggest Removal) Michael, I am glad that you and I have similar thoughts. Censorship can be a dangerous weapon.
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Posted By:Trisha at September 18, 2007 11:44 AM (Suggest Removal) I read this book in middle school, and it was harmless. BUT I also spoke to my parents about its contents, to clarify what I was reading, and my parents were actively involved in my education! Maybe that's the real issue here...
Ms. Karkos, maybe you aren't a parent and you are just sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, but if you are a parent, I fear how your children will turn out.
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Posted By:Andre at September 18, 2007 11:46 AM (Suggest Removal) Also, it is quite fitting I use a literary analogy...
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Posted By:Robert61 at September 18, 2007 11:46 AM (Suggest Removal) Somehow I suspect that once reacquired by the libraries it will become the most often signed out book for the next year.
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Posted By:Michael Dumas at September 18, 2007 12:08 PM (Suggest Removal) I did like the Fahrenheit 451 reference. Also, to Johnny, I don't think she would borrow the servers. She would take them and send the SJ a check for the cost.
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Posted By:Roger at September 18, 2007 12:42 PM (Suggest Removal) This could get costly for crazy Karkos. What is she going to do take this book each time the library replaces it and send them a check? Wow, she's really thought this through. Better check the local bookstores, she may have bought all copies of this book by now. Wacko!
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Posted By:Robert61 at September 18, 2007 12:56 PM (Suggest Removal) While I don't agree with Ms. Karkos choice of action - why is someone wacko for an act of civil disobedience? If its truly a criminal offense to sign out a book and not return it - how many others have been prosecuted for this? I'm curious - have anyone of you stood up for anything you believe in? Why the rush to judge what she did or to guess her reasons behind it? How many of you have actually read the book? Do you have children who might see the book?
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Posted By:Michael Dumas at September 18, 2007 12:57 PM (Suggest Removal) I love the people who claim that these books are degrading. Yeah, ok, let's keep kids in the dark about the realities of life so that they A) have no idea when confronted with issues regarding sexuality, and B) are so scared when their bodies start to change that they think something is wrong with them since no one has bothered to explain anything to them. Sounds like a great idea. Now let me explain to you what happens in the real world with the rest of us and not in the sheltered life fantasy world. Here in America we educate our children about important issues like sex and drugs, because we can't keep our kids on a leash forever, as much as that disappoints some of the absurdly over-protective parents out there. We educate not to degrade society, but rather we educate in the hopes that when the children are faced with making a tough decision, that they use their knowledge to make the safe and healthy decision. For those of you who think it is a good idea to censor everything that mentions sex, I have an idea for you: wake up to reality. This isn't the 1950s anymore. If your kid doesn't learn about sex from you, they sure as heck will learn about from someone else, and more than likely, you won't like what that other source is saying. I ask you, why shelter your child this much? Sure, protecting your child from bad things is great, but don't hide them from the truths of life at an appropriate age. You are doing far more damage to them in the long run than if they learned about life.
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Posted By:amy at September 18, 2007 1:00 PM (Suggest Removal) "Hey, I know, our kids may want to try guns and drugs, soooo, lets write books about HOW TO!!! We can teach them how to drink, drugs, guns, all the FREE Country stuff. Most of you self-appointed protectors of the first amendment should actually be made to live in your "own world". You would'nt be there long. But it would be nice to have you away from reality for a while."
Whatever!Dont be so clueless. I hope your kids whom you wont allow to be eduacated, bring you home a couple of std's and grandbabies at a very early age. The only thing ignorant here are people like you who live in a fantasy world. Keeping these types of subjects taboo does not keep your children from them. Lack of education will only be your fault. Not your children. So please when your 14yr girl comes home with child ....dont try to sneak her to the local abortion clinic, and then go to church and pray for forgivness.......because by then you are to late. EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN! SEX DOES HAPPEN LIKE IT OR NOT!
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Posted By:ha,ha, at September 18, 2007 1:21 PM (Suggest Removal) ms karkos,s isonly trying to prevent your babies,from having babies,i just came from the lewiston high school and saw 14,15 ,16,yr olds pushing carrages,through the hallways.and people think thats cute sense when is highschool,a dam,daycare u have my vote ms karkos
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Posted By:Belinda at September 18, 2007 1:41 PM (Suggest Removal) Sure you saw them seriously. BUT, bet me their parents didn't teach them and give the education necessary to prevent it. Furthermore, I would challange you to check the socioeconomic background of most of the students with babies and you would find that they are indeed cycle children themselves. Let me explain that term for you. They are children of parents that gave birth too young, usually on welfare or SSI. They aren't educated and thus repeat the cycle of birth early themselves. It's a horrible problem in most countries. Please get a bit more educated on the issue before you start cheering on someone standing in the way of that cycle ending thru true education
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Posted By:Chris at September 18, 2007 1:41 PM (Suggest Removal) This is rather insane, it's apparent that this religious fundamentalist hates the Freedom of the USA. She should be prosecuted for theft and she should be used as an example to kids on why people shouldn't steal.
I have a good idea, someone should take out a copy of the Bible and not return it. That is by far a more dangerous publication.
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Posted By:monicker at September 18, 2007 1:45 PM (Suggest Removal) I must've missed something - from an earlier article, perhaps? How did an act of protest, however inappropriate it may seem, transmogrify into religion-slamming? Seems a little uncalled for.
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Posted By:bob at September 18, 2007 1:46 PM (Suggest Removal) wow! his is cool. I'm gonna buy the book. thanks lady
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Posted By:Roger at September 18, 2007 1:55 PM (Suggest Removal) Robert,
She's a wacko because she is acting like a crazy person who needs to get a hobby.
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Posted By:bob at September 18, 2007 1:57 PM (Suggest Removal) this is cool, not his is cool, sorry
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Posted By:Michael Dumas at September 18, 2007 2:00 PM (Suggest Removal) Not sure how many people know this, but thanks to Ms. Karkos, we are now on the CNN.com front page. Nice. I can't imagine what outsiders must think of us after first the Middle School ham incident, and now this.
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Posted By:Jen at September 18, 2007 2:02 PM (Suggest Removal) My child doesn't need another parent. She has two, and we're even capable of deciding what she should or should not be reading! Get a hobby!!!
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Posted By:Chris at September 18, 2007 2:04 PM (Suggest Removal) @Nosey, it's more uncalled for to not have a clue what you're talking about. http://www.cclmaine.org/artman/publish/letterstotheeditor/Imperfect.shtml
A quote of her twisted opinion.
"Immorality is the greatest war against human civilization in the world today." Sounds a lot like she should be giving this message from a cave in Pakistan.
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Posted By:Belinda at September 18, 2007 2:05 PM (Suggest Removal) Dont' forget the Turner Beast Michael! But I do agree with your point. Too bad Maine wasn't on CNN for something positive.
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Posted By:Robert61 at September 18, 2007 2:09 PM (Suggest Removal) CNN loves L-A..go back to the original letter from a prior mayor about the immigrant community and its cost to Lewiston. They know us. Belinda, as to the cycle children - I've also heard them referred to but the definition given when I asked was: pregnant teens who saw how good the welfare benefits were - their own apartment, money for food, clothing & utilities and I just have babies.
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Posted By:Michael Dumas at September 18, 2007 2:30 PM (Suggest Removal) L/A: It's happening here!
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Posted By:monicker at September 18, 2007 2:57 PM (Suggest Removal) That's what I was looking for, a clue -thanks, Chris. I had missed that back along, I guess. Just I still think unless there was some convention I don't know about where she was elected to speak for all religious people, then some of what I'm seeing here is intolerance not unlike that which you're condemning. She's one individual.
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Posted By:JulieL at September 18, 2007 3:01 PM (Suggest Removal) OK someone tell me what kind of message "the book stealer" is sending to our children? When you run into something that offends your social/religious beliefs, it is within your right to remove/steal said item? I live in the other "LA" and can not tell you how proud I am of every story coming our of my beloved hometown. This book was only checked out 16 times in the last 6 years? Are you serious lady? I know, am related to a few, of the unmarried teenage mothers in Leiston-Auburn and I can tell you point blank, NOT ONE of | |