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FARMINGTON - University student Susan Crane of Auburn got an unexpected emotional response Tuesday when she laid out her art project of U.S. flags on the floor of the Olsen Student Center.

Her purpose was to find out how people felt about Old Glory, and her gauge was whether they would walk around them or on them.

Veteran Charles Bennett of Farmington sat on one to protect it from being walked on. Other veterans and students asked Crane to pick them up, saying it was disrespectful and desecrating.

Other students said they didn't see a problem with the display.

Crane, 40, a senior majoring in education, had placed large and small flags on the floor in a zig-zag pattern that created a path through the main corridor.

"I did a lot of research surrounding the flag," she said, before deciding to do the project.

"My purpose was to figure out how people felt about the flag and gave them a choice to walk around it. And then what it really became is our First Amendment that everybody has a choice to say what they believe. I expected it to be controversial but not as controversial as it has become."

The project was not an easy choice for her, she said.

"I really had a hard time putting the flags on the floor. I'm a conservative Republican, and I come from a military family," she said. "I do believe in the flag as a symbol of freedom and what our country stands for. I first thought I could put paper under the flags but it was a safety hazard. I still really have not come to terms that the flags are on the floor. So that bothered me. I understand veterans fought in the war, and they died for our freedom. Other people have the choice to feel how they would interpret it."

Crane's professor of visual arts, Katrazyna Randall, had asked students to do a project that could be either guerrilla art or a social experiment. The latter is when artists use visual communication to foster a response from their art, which will generally shed light on social behavior or a political issue, Randall said.

Crane had 24 hours to display her project but expected to take it down by 6 p.m., way ahead of the 4 a.m. deadline Wednesday.

"The best part about this whole thing," Crane said, "is that it has made people stop and think about what is important to them."

Bennett had explained to Crane why the flag shouldn't be on the ground and volunteered to help her pick them up. She declined.

"Don't desecrate it by putting it on the ground," Bennett said.

A Web site on flag etiquette states that a flag should never touch anything beneath it and if it does, it should be moved.

Bennett started to pick up flags but was stopped by UMF Public Safety Director Ted Blais, who told him if he continued, he would be arrested.

"He cannot damage her project. He cannot take apart her project. This is her art project. She has the right to have a project here, and if he starts taking it apart, I have to stop him," Blais said. "I've been impressed how people have been respectful of the flag."

Farmington firefighters were on hand after a student complained the floor project was a hazard and hindered egress.

UMF President Theo Kalikow said Crane followed UMF policies and procedures, watched for handicap accessibility and complied with all recommendations. And the university's attorney advised Crane had the right to do the display.

"It's her project. ... I think the student wanted to find out what would happen and she did. This is a learning environment," Kalikow said. "It's personally repugnant to me to have the flag on the floor. I would never do this, but I have to protect the project."

Crane's father, John McIlhinney of North Windham, retired from the U.S. Coast Guard, said he supported his daughter.

"There is no law against it. I wouldn't step on it, but there is no law against it," McIlhinney said.

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Posted By:mike at April 16, 2008 5:16 AM (Suggest Removal)
SO, did anyone step on the flags or did they zig- zag their way down the hall?

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Posted By:Mainah47 at April 16, 2008 6:19 AM (Suggest Removal)
Veteran Charles Bennett of Farmington "sat" on one? He sat on one to protect it from being walked on? He's a veteran? What was he thinking? Look in the photo gallery, and you will notice how incensed he is, yet he sat on one. And yes, you will see some idiot with no respect standing on a flag.

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Posted By:Sheepherder at April 16, 2008 6:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
Is this a young woman who's brother is stationed at Norfolk in the USN..? Wonder how he feeels about the art project..And What would Dean Gwylim RObert have to sa if he were alive.. Interesting

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Posted By:moose at April 16, 2008 6:27 AM (Suggest Removal)
And she is going to be a teacher. Wow. That shows how smart some maine people are. Send her to berckley.

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Posted By:PatFla at April 16, 2008 6:34 AM (Suggest Removal)
The beloved G. Roberts would most likely praise this young woman for going against her own deepest reservations to learn more about attitudes toward the flag and what it represents. He was a visionary and applauded those of like mind. He also would have been appalled that a central question in this article was left unanswered - that is, what WAS the result of the experiment? Did people walk on the flags, avoid the area totally, or navigate around them? I hope Ye Ed. will fill us in. Teasers in straight news articles are unkind.

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Posted By:Troy at April 16, 2008 6:38 AM (Suggest Removal)
She did research?? I hardly doubt it! The US flag can not be near the ground, let alone laying flat on it. She may as well have burned them to see students reactions. She probably throws out the flags that are worn and torn also. Which is wrong. Kids (most) today don't even have a clue what our nations flag represents. If I was that veteran, I would have picked up every single one! Teachers are teaching our kids well today, aren't they?!

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Posted By:friend at April 16, 2008 6:54 AM (Suggest Removal)
Teachers are teaching student to LEARN. Isn't that what this project was about - LEARNING. And she did. Unfortunately she is also learning that people with other opinions don't always respect the rights of others to have theirs. Thank you Pat for your comments.

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Posted By:ray at April 16, 2008 7:07 AM (Suggest Removal)
While we must respect the opinions of others, most importantly we must respect ourselves and our country and its symbols. This was a very poor choice by all concerned in presenting it including the student, teacher, administration etc. For what Maine citizens are paying to support the State Universities they deserve better.

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Posted By:Sapper at April 16, 2008 7:10 AM (Suggest Removal)
The thought of someone walking on the flag is pathetic. Nausiating actually. I bet this teacher will not do the pledge of allegiance in the morning. Way to go Mr. Bennett. As a veteran, I thank you.

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Posted By:sue at April 16, 2008 7:26 AM (Suggest Removal)
Best tells the reaction and actions of the people there: http://www.mainecr.org/umf-flag-desecration-video

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Posted By:PatFla at April 16, 2008 7:30 AM (Suggest Removal)
You are welcome - in the meantime, after having written my first post, I had another thought - with no disrespect intended to the veteran, I am having difficulty following his thinking process in sitting on the flag to "protect" it. Why does he think having his derriere on the flag is more respectful than having others' feet on the flag?

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Posted By:Skip at April 16, 2008 7:34 AM (Suggest Removal)
I'm a vet myself and I don't care for this idea.But it was only a project of the student and I don't see all the big deal being made out of it.And if you look at the pictures you will see the only one touching a flag is the vet sitting on one.Is he really protecting the flag or is he trying to be some sort of hero?

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Posted By:Bravo 6 Alpha at April 16, 2008 7:48 AM (Suggest Removal)
There were four students at Kent State in Ohio who learned something too. You may attempt to walk on this flag, and if you live, you will have learned that lead increases your weight. Yes, I am a Veteran.

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Posted By:An Observer at April 16, 2008 7:56 AM (Suggest Removal)
I'll remember this the next time I see a University of Maine bond issue on the ballot. All this in the name of "education," eh? No wonder our school systems are screwed up.

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Posted By:Skip at April 16, 2008 8:13 AM (Suggest Removal)
All good and well,Jack,but you don't sit on the flag like that vet did either.His best course of action would have been to pick up as many flags as he could,regardless of what Blais threatened to do.Sitting on one was definitly not an option.In fact it was even more desecrated on by his sitting there!

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Posted By:UMFgrad at April 16, 2008 8:18 AM (Suggest Removal)
I am ashamed to be a graduate from UMF today. I will be walking on my diploma and mailing it back to Ms. Kalikow to show her what I think of it.

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Posted By:Mel at April 16, 2008 8:22 AM (Suggest Removal)
At least the impact of her project got people talking about the issues of respect for our country and all of the things we view as representative. I agree that the flag should be respected but I think that her idea was thought provoking and as a social experiment it did what she intended.

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Posted By:AB at April 16, 2008 8:28 AM (Suggest Removal)
She could have interviewed students and asked the question, If you saw a flag on the ground, would you feel comfortable stepping on it, or would you walk around it?. I think she could have gotten all the information she needed without desecrating the flag.

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Posted By:deepee at April 16, 2008 8:30 AM (Suggest Removal)
i think the project was a stupid idea....next time why does'nt the 40 year old crane, who acts like a 14 year old, have her teacher lay down on route 4 and see if people drive over or around her...now there's a project!....you should be ashamed of yourself miss crane....boooo hissss

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Posted By:TED at April 16, 2008 8:31 AM (Suggest Removal)
Personally, I would have been disturbed and bothered to see the flag on the ground, especially if people were walking on it. How many of us, though, have eaten a 4th of July cake decorated like the flag, or have worn a t-shirt designed like the flag- these too are in violation of the code. The flag codes are only suggestions and not law- the Supreme Court made the decision that people can use the flag in any manner they want and is covered by the First Amendment- The Veterans who died for the flag also died to protect the Constitution and the First Amendment- it's a double edged sword- they fought and died to protect EVERYTHING in America and ALL symbols that represent it. Sorry guys, but we can not pick and choose which symbols we are going to stand by. You also fought so this student could exercise her freedom of speech as long as she does it in a safe manner.

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Posted By:UMF Student and Vet at April 16, 2008 8:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
Perhaps there is one thing Crane did not take into consideration when she did this experiment. Ms. Crane, the more publicity this "experiment" gets, the worse it becomes for troops. If word of this gets out, sympathizers will have even more reason to rise up against our troops. You want the terrorist groups feeding off from your experiment? Just because something is legal does not make it right. This is on your head, and I pray for the safe return of our troops. God Bless.

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Posted By:Ernest at April 16, 2008 8:49 AM (Suggest Removal)
Excuse me this is a 40 year old woman not a kid desicrating our symbol of freedom. It must be time to cut funding UMF. Reader A is correct a survey written on paper would have done the same thing. Had I known about this project there would have been enough help there to pick the flags up off the floor and dispose of them properly, regardless of the security there. Do we really need teachers that think this way teaching our children and grandchildren. No wonder this country is on the verge of imploding.

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Posted By:Pierre at April 16, 2008 8:55 AM (Suggest Removal)
As someone who went to UMF and is now currently serving in the military, I am actually not surprised by this. I remember in spring of 99 someone stole the "diversity flag" otherwise known as the rainbow flag....it was an uproar. The faculty threatened to expel whoever did that...I don't know if they ever caught those people, but it is clear that UMF's priorities are just as screwed up now as they where 9 years ago.

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Posted By:TED at April 16, 2008 8:59 AM (Suggest Removal)
terrorists will come and destroy us because of this exhibit? ARE YOU NUTS? I can find plenty of pictures of GW Bush not respecting the flag- there's one of Mr Bush walking on a mat with a picture of a flag, there's a picture of Mr Bush eating a cake decorated like the flag, there's a picture of Mr Bush WRITING HIS NAME ON A FLAG- he didnt seem too concerned about the impact his actions would have on troop morality or terrorism. Here's another message that could get to our troops-we do not support the Constitution and the First Amendment! We should do our part to teach people how they should treat the flag- but it is their choice whether to follow it.

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Posted By:JC at April 16, 2008 9:24 AM (Suggest Removal)
I am also a veteran. While I don't approve of anyone desecrating the flag (including other veterans who would sit on them), I agree with her father. She broke no law. We live in a nation that values liberty above all else, or at least we used to. Those in public service take an oath, to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The first amendment protects, among other things, freedom of speech. That includes the freedom to demonstrate, the freedom to disagree with our government and tell them so without fear of retaliation. Was this experiment in bad taste? Perhaps, but the thing that bothers me most about this is the students who didn't see a problem with it. They do not understand what it represents. To them, it is just a piece of cloth laying on the ground. It is not. It is a symbol of liberty, the promise of hope and freedom. Red is for the blood of patriots who have died, and continue to do so, that we might be free. White is for justice and government of law. Blue is for honor, courage and integrity. Things that seem to be lacking in our time.

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Posted By:curls at April 16, 2008 9:31 AM (Suggest Removal)
Many of you are crapping on the very rights that the flag represent. Like freedom of speach and expresion. This was a SOCIAL EXPEREMENT people. The reactions by most of you have proven this project a success. What would a college campus be without students expressing their opinions? It would certainly be void of one of the most important pieces of a learning environment. The idea of this project spawning action by terrorists is obsurd. I'm also fairly confident this project represents little about what UMF is about.

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Posted By:colin at April 16, 2008 9:50 AM (Suggest Removal)
so, what exactly does the flag represent? please explain to me how her "experiment," no matter how dumb, hurts US troops or the morale of americans in general. I haven't read one shred of evidence here that suggests that someone putting the flag on the floor will somehow turn the nation into a chaotic anarchistic state. reality is, that it's a flag. if you let desecration of a symbol get to you, then you're not seeing the big picture - it's a symbol, but not the real thing. you can burn and desecrate a flag, but you can't ever burn freedom, or the rights that are provided to us.

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Posted By:and? at April 16, 2008 10:32 AM (Suggest Removal)
I think some of you are missing the bigger picture here, if you look closely at the pictures, these are not real flags, just a symbol of the flag. They look to be made out of paper or laminated somehow otherwise the camera flash would not be showing such a reflection. I do agree that the "real" flag should never tough the ground or be walked or sat on, but a symbol of the flag is just that a symbol. Something to remind us all of what our men and women are fighting for. We see flags all the time on things like cakes, table cloths, tshirts and painted on walls. None of you are complaining about that.

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Posted By:Bravo 6 Alpha at April 16, 2008 11:10 AM (Suggest Removal)
In Case some of you have forgotten: I pledge alliegence to the FLAG and to the Republic for which it stands. One Nation Under God, indivisable, with Liberty and Justice for all. Including those enemies who reside within this country. As long as there is blood going through my veins, I will defend this country, the Flag and the Constitution against ALL enemies both foreign and domestic, especially those who attend UMF.

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Posted By:Pat at April 16, 2008 11:18 AM (Suggest Removal)
How does it hurt? It will be picked up by the media and used as propaganda. Maybe this 40 year old should volunteer her services with out troops and see exactly what it is that the flag stands for. Maybe she could go on patrol with my daughter.

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Posted By:. at April 16, 2008 11:33 AM (Suggest Removal)
good for her. she puts some pieces of fabric on the ground and you all get knots in your knickers. now if you'd only get as interested in protecting individual freedoms from real civil rights erosions.... what's that i hear? ah yes the bleating of mindless sheep.

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Posted By:Concerned!Taxpayers at April 16, 2008 11:57 AM (Suggest Removal)
I cannot believe that the college would condone such an act. We have soldiers dieing to protect us and this young lady places our flag on the floor for people to walk on!Then she is the front page of the paper smiling! Shame on the college and the young lady!I will never donate one red cent in the future to this college! NEVER!

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Posted By:fedup and broke at April 16, 2008 12:00 PM (Suggest Removal)
I find this social experiment in ill taste. Ms. Crane states "I do believe in the flag as a symbol of freedom and what our country stands for..." In that sentence there is no 'but'. Either you believe in the flag as a symbol and as such respect it or you don't. If she holds these beliefs as someone is is a 'conservative republican' and one who comes from a military family THERE IS NO BUT!

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Posted By:fedup and broke at April 16, 2008 12:06 PM (Suggest Removal)
I find this social experiment in ill taste. Ms. Crane states "I do believe in the flag as a symbol of freedom and what our country stands for..." In that sentence there is no 'but'. Either you believe in the flag as a symbol and as such respect it or you don't. If she holds these beliefs as someone is is a 'conservative republican' and one who comes from a military family THERE IS NO BUT! When you respect the lives given to protect what that symbol represents you cannot disrespect the symbol in that way. Better that she claimed not to respect the flag that to dishonor it with her drivel.

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Posted By:Johnny P at April 16, 2008 12:07 PM (Suggest Removal)
Does anyone see the irony? Does anyone see your hypocrisy? You're all complaining about someone else's freedom of speech by exercising your's and blogging. This is classic.

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Posted By:SPC Casey Tylek at April 16, 2008 12:09 PM (Suggest Removal)
As a soldier who is serving with the 101st in Iraq right now, I would like to thank Mr. Bennett for his actions. We soldiers hold the flag dear to our heart. We wear it on our soldier, and we will never faulter. While her art project was interesting, it was disrespectful to the flag. Prisoners in Vietnam used to secretly make an American flag and hide it to prevent beatings. If the flag was found a soldier would be severly beaten, and when the vietcong left, they started making a new one. To see it on the ground to be walked on, wow. That is greatly disrespectful. While I do not like her art, I still defend to the death her right to display it. I also have the right to tell her what I think, and that it what makes America the greatest nation on earth. -SPC TYLEK

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Posted By:useless at April 16, 2008 12:12 PM (Suggest Removal)
umf is one step above a community college. i respect her right to do it, tho it is completely pointless. Is she some sad and pathetic no talent 40 yo art student? I have a graphic design degree, this is a sad rediculous joke of a project that a kid in junior high would have enough smarts to NOT DO. Ms. Crane, you need to get a life and hopefully umf will give your financial aid to someone with a couple brain cells more than you. There is a reason ORONO is the state's flagship school and they dont transfer credits.

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Posted By:Veritas at April 16, 2008 12:35 PM (Suggest Removal)
Look at all the commentary this article evoked - the art project really had an impact. Appears some valuable learning really occured. As a Vietnam Vet, and retired military - I even fought for a person's right to burn the flag as political speech.

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Posted By:Mark at April 16, 2008 12:35 PM (Suggest Removal)
I never cease to be amazed about how those who decry these types of "experiments" never appreciate the irony of their own protests. The fact that this woman has the RIGHT to conduct this experiment says far more about the flag and what it symbolizes than the action itself. The fact that she can put a flag on the floor and subject it to abuse without fear of government suppression and punishment proves just how important those freedoms are--just as important as your right to hate what she did and say so. People in every corner of the world die every day striving for the right to do any of these things we take for granted! Freedom is only valuable when it protects the rights of those you agree with-and those you don't.

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Posted By:JohnBerry at April 16, 2008 12:39 PM (Suggest Removal)
Smiling Jack, Shame on you! You said:"There were four students at Kent State in Ohio who learned something too. You may attempt to walk on this flag, and if you live, you will have learned that lead increases your weight. Yes, I am a Veteran." ----- This is a disgusting and ignorant comment. The students killed at Kent State in 1970 were unarmed. Two of the students killed were protesters and two were walking from one class to another. One was a member of the ROTC. Not one of them committed an act worthy of death. ----- I could give you more facts about that incident, the shameful killing of unarmed civilians, but I am somehow sure that it would be lost on you and any who would think your glib witticism about such a serious matter somehow expresses a rational or reasoned perspective. Your view, that people who disagree with you about the flag are somehow enemies of America, is more of the poisonous reasoning that has scarred our social discourse for far too long. ----- Shame on you.

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Posted By:JulieL at April 16, 2008 1:15 PM (Suggest Removal)
Good for you JohnBerry. One can always count on SmilingJack for a completely inappropriate comment. I, for one, am a big aupporter of art to inspire and I found myself wanting to reach through the youtube video and hug the vet with the Disgraceful sign. Unknowingly, he bacame part of the art project, just as the many kids who walked right over the flags, (notice most of them were rather chunky and I wonder if was in protest or out of shear lazyiness). My reaction to the vet was; good for you, don't budge. My reaction to the conservative Republican art student, (who cares if she is 40, she'll be a 40 something college graduate), is good for you, you really moved people and that is the point of art. My reaction toward the school is, good for you for supporting your student to express herself. I am proud of everyone involved, with the exception of the tubby's who walked over the flag rather than around it but they served their purpose too.....

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Posted By:Ol'Bill at April 16, 2008 2:14 PM (Suggest Removal)
I have not read all the blogs, but I do have a few thoughts on this story. First, how can this be considered to be an ART experiment? I thought art was supposed to attempt to uplift the human spirit, not be a "social experiment". Second, I have learned something from this story; that basic civics are no longer taught in our schools. If they were, this "teacher in training" would never have considered this as a project. Third, as a veteran myself, I would defend to the death this person's right to do what she had done, regardless of how deplorable I find her actions. Perhaps she could then learn something else - that to a veteran, the flag truly means and represents something that a non-veteran simply cannot understand. Remember folks, it is thanks to the veterans of this county (especially those who served in combat) that you have the consitutional right to be just as offensive as you wish. Please have the common courtesy to respect their sacrifices, and chose some other means to conduct your experiment.

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Posted By:mike at April 16, 2008 2:30 PM (Suggest Removal)
Someone should take that kid that is standing on the FLAG and pull his {to big for him pant's}over his head and tie them in a knot, Send him on to his next class. Get with the time's and get a new outfit. Quit looking like a BUM.

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Posted By:Marybeth at April 16, 2008 2:37 PM (Suggest Removal)
What is missing in this "project" is basic respect. I understand that she was trying to learn about how people would react to the flag, but i feel like there are better ways to go about that. Instead of spending your time putting flags into zigzag piles on the floor- go talk to a Vetern about fighting in a war. Volenteer in a vetern's home.Learn about your coutry and then you'll undertand the flag more. And then, you can go teach children why its such a big deal.

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Posted By:Ashamed at April 16, 2008 2:48 PM (Suggest Removal)
Thank you UMF. Because of you I am broke. Because I want to be a teacher and I go to your institution people will automatically think I am a part of this. Thank you UMF for caring about YOUR students. Thank you for putting an art project above all of us Once again, thank you UMF for being the let down I hoped you wouldn't be.

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Posted By:MomOfTwo at April 16, 2008 3:12 PM (Suggest Removal)
So very sad. I watched the You tube video with tears in my eyes. God Bless the young man who shook his hand and stood shoulder to shoulder with the Vet supporting him. I wish I had known this was taking place yesterday, I would have driven down to the campus and supported Mr. Bennett as well. Shame on those young men and women who stood on the flag. YOU are a disgrace to this country. AND...Ms. Kalikow, shame on you for threatening to remove the Vet. As a taxpayer who pays your outrageous salary, he has every right to be in that PUBLIC building. He had as much right to protest as the student did to display her project. I think the project was over the top and could have just as easily and successfully been accomplished by surveying the students. This project shows supreme lack of judgment by one of our future teachers. Typical.

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Posted By:ROBERT at April 16, 2008 3:41 PM (Suggest Removal)
In my opinion, Crane is full of crap. She knew exactly what she was doing and is now lying through her teeth to save face. I don't buy her line about research one bit. But it is remarkable that the the 1st amendment does allow people to be complete losers. We are on the road to be a weakened third world nation, having totally lost our moral compass that made it a once great republic.

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Posted By:DONALD R at April 16, 2008 4:36 PM (Suggest Removal)
And to think, I was actually considering UMF for my son. That thought has now vanished...

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Posted By:ojhuig at April 16, 2008 5:14 PM (Suggest Removal)
I smell a rat. If she really wanted to see if people would walk on it, she would have drawn the flags in chalk. And how did the veteran find out about it? Is he a student and just happened to be walking by? And how did the newspaper find out? People will behave differently when there are cameras, and they won't walk on fabric that's on the floor no matter what it is. This has "publicity stunt" written all over it.

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Posted By:Thomas at April 16, 2008 5:50 PM (Suggest Removal)
Where’s the ART? As a Vietnam Veteran I respect everyone’s Constitutional rights. My problem with this project is where’s the art? The term art is used to describe a particular type of creative production generated by human beings, and the term usually implies some degree of aesthetic value. An artist makes a work of art for various purposes, such as creating an experience for others or as part of a ritual. All I see with this student’s art work is a form of plagiarism and antagonistic behavior, not a work of aesthetic or creative production. If laying United States flags on a floor is an acceptable creative production I wonder how the school and its administrators would have reacted if she used the flags of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party. I doubt that experience would have been very supportive!!! In fact it probably would be classified as a hate crime. If you love your Country and its freedoms thank a Veteran and have respect for our flag under which they so honorably and faithfully served to protect us all. It’s not just a piece of cloth!!! God Bless America

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Posted By:Skip at April 16, 2008 6:09 PM (Suggest Removal)
What's wrong with all you people?You would think the greatest sin in the world had been committed and life would be changed forever. Maybe she did make a misstake but so what?We all do.And I still say that if anyone showed disrepect for the flag it would have been the vet who sat on it.If anyone should know better it should be him.

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Posted By:gerald at April 16, 2008 7:15 PM (Suggest Removal)
charlie bennet has always used his vet status to get in the news they are not real flags he has really lost it must want more pension money

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Posted By:Veritas at April 16, 2008 7:30 PM (Suggest Removal)
DONALD R said he was "actually considering UMF for my son. That thought has now vanished..." Here's a better idea if that got your goat - have your son join the Service and ship out for Iraq. That'll put your walk where your talk is....

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Posted By:Observing at April 16, 2008 7:36 PM (Suggest Removal)
I believe that she could have got the same results by doing something else. Yes, it was her right but we have a right to do a lot of things that are morally wrong but do we do it? Wathing that video moved me to tears. I am so proud of that veteran and that young man that stood by his side. UMF staff on the video were just as much of a disgrace as the project.

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Posted By:sue at April 16, 2008 7:50 PM (Suggest Removal)
Johnny P nailed it.

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Posted By:RICHARD at April 16, 2008 7:52 PM (Suggest Removal)
The thing that saddens me is watching the flag go by in a parade and most people not saluting. This shows that youngsters are not taught to respect the flag. Before I was a veteran I learned in school to respect and salute the flag.

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Posted By:JulieL at April 16, 2008 7:58 PM (Suggest Removal)
Veritas you summed it up so nicely' "..As a Vietnam Vet, and retired military - I even fought for a person's right to burn the flag as political speech.." I am surprised and pleased to see such thought provoking projects taking place in small towm Lewiston, Maine. The fact that they weren't real flags, many kids walked over them, I couldn't read the signs taped on the young man standing on the flag in the video, and vets showed up and a young man stood with him, fantastic! I personally would have walked around them but I 100% support the artist and her project...

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Posted By:Rebecca at April 16, 2008 8:06 PM (Suggest Removal)
I am the Girlfriend of a United States Veteran of the War in Iraq, the daughter of a United States Veteran of the War in Iraq and the Gulf War, and I am the Granddaughter of two Vietnam Veterans. I have to say that I respect Ms. Crane's right to free speech, however, as has been said in these comments time and again, I find her project to be in poor taste, especially coming from someone who claims that the military is so close to their heart. Don't be surprised to see a couple of 18 year old kids standing up with Mr. Bennett in the days to come. Ms. Crane has every right to exercise her right to free speech, however, what some of you are failing to realize is that Mr. Bennett also has the right to protest anything he pleases under the constitution is well. maybe some of you should go back to high school and be reminded.

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Posted By:JulieL at April 16, 2008 8:31 PM (Suggest Removal)
Rebecca I think we agree more than we disagree. I believe she had the right to place the flag "replica's" on the floor, and the vets had every right to stand on front of them. I have a wall in my house with some 30+ crosses from all over the world, Jewish stars, Buddahs and other Indian statues all over my house. My point; I respect our differences. We have become so intolerant of each other and our differing political views, religious views, pursuits of happiness, when the young man shook the vets hand and stood with him, I teared up. But it didn't change my support of the student or the school...

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Posted By:dr. dosh at April 16, 2008 8:42 PM *'>(Suggest Removal)
Yeah ; it's art . Here is more visual art : http://www.moma.org/exhibitions/1996/johns/pages/johns.flag.html Jasper Johns was the guy who painted american flags . He's a master , also . Freedom of speech, expression and assembly , 'member ? It's the very first & fundamentally protected right in our amended bill of rights Here ; * First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause ; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly ; right to petition . It's what people have died for in wars . It's also why we have newspapers like this one . It's why we also cherish and support the audio and visual arts . Alo'ha (=>*

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Posted By:K- at April 16, 2008 9:21 PM (Suggest Removal)
Sue, Don't let the critics get you down. You put alot of time, research and thought into this project. This was a social experiment and the reactions have given you the answers to all that you set out to do with this project. Like TED and others have stated in their blogs this is America, we are a free country, and this is what makes our country great because you where able to exercise your rights as a citizen and not be persecuted by gov't. I think that you fully succeeded with this project and I am glad that you where able to put your personal feelings aside and do this. What is life if you don't make some waves! People need to realize that this was a social project, doing a survey on a peice of paper, I mean come on, people lie all the time on survyes and questionaires this is real and this really shows you true, raw, emotions. Awesome Job!

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Posted By:Gina at April 16, 2008 9:36 PM (Suggest Removal)
I graduated from UMF last year. This video makes me really sad. I don't believe the art project was a good choice, but that doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me, is how administration treated a veteran. The situation was not handled well at all and it makes me wish I was not affiliated with the institution. It was a huge display of disrespect and I hope they're eating their words now.

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Posted By:Mark at April 16, 2008 9:41 PM (Suggest Removal)
Davinci would poke Crane and her teacher in the eye with his paintbrush for calling that screed art.Real artists don't play with stupid idea's,they paint,sing,write or sculpt. They are rare and do not study education or teach art at UMF.

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Posted By:JulieL at April 16, 2008 10:01 PM (Suggest Removal)
I beg to differ Mark. There are social artists who do exactly what Miss Crane has done; provoke a response.

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Posted By:Mary at April 16, 2008 10:06 PM (Suggest Removal)
what the hell do yu mean by a piece of fabric on the floor? It is not just that it is a symbolof freedom in this country. As for the "Vet" you ar a disgrace to this country if yuo were a ral Vet you would have not sat on our American Flag. My Dad fought for this country in WW2 and today is the 11th anniversary of his death I can feel him rolling in his grave to think that a person who calls themself a Vet and another American citizen had the balls to do this disgraceful thing. You both should be ashamed of yourselves

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Posted By:Mary at April 16, 2008 10:17 PM (Sugges