California's top court legalizes gay marriage
Friday, May 16, 2008
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - California's Supreme Court declared that gay couples in the nation's biggest state can marry - a monumental but perhaps short-lived victory for the gay rights movement Thursday that was greeted with tears, hugs, kisses and at least one instant proposal of matrimony.
Same-sex couples could tie the knot in as little as a month. But the window could close soon after - religious and social conservatives are pressing to put a constitutional amendment on the ballot in November that would undo the Supreme Court ruling and ban gay marriage.
"Essentially, this boils down to love. We love each other. We now have equal rights under the law," declared a jubilant Robin Tyler, a plaintiff in the case along with her partner. She added: "We're going to get married. No Tupperware, please."
A crowd of people raised their fists in triumph inside City Hall, and people wrapped themselves in the rainbow-colored gay-pride flag outside the courthouse. In the Castro, long the center of the gay community in San Francisco, Tim Oviatt wept as he watched the news on TV.
"I've been waiting for this all my life. This is a life-affirming moment," he said.
By the afternoon, gay and lesbian couples had already started lining up at San Francisco City Hall to make appointments to get marriage licenses. In West Hollywood, supporters planned to serve "wedding cake" at an evening celebration.
James Dobson - chairman of the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family, which has spent thousands of dollars to get the measure on the ballot - called the ruling an outrage.
"It will be up to the people of California to preserve traditional marriage by passing a constitutional amendment. ... Only then can they protect themselves from this latest example of judicial tyranny," he said in an e-mailed statement.
In its 4-3 ruling, the Republican-dominated high court struck down state laws against same-sex marriage and said domestic partnerships that provide many of the rights and benefits of matrimony are not enough.
"In contrast to earlier times, our state now recognizes that an individual's capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibly to care for and raise children does not depend upon the individual's sexual orientation," Chief Justice Ronald George wrote for the majority in ringing language that delighted gay rights activists.
Massachusetts in 2004 became the first, and so far only, state to legalize gay marriage; more than 9,500 couples have taken advantage of the law. But the California ruling is considered monumental by virtue of the state's size - 38 million out of a U.S. population of 302 million - and its historical role as the vanguard of many social and cultural changes that have swept the country since World War II. California has an estimated 108,734 same-sex households, according to 2006 census figures.
"It's about human dignity. It's about human rights. It's about time in California," San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, pumping his fist in the air, told a roaring crowd at City Hall. "As California goes, so goes the rest of the nation. It's inevitable. This door's wide open now. It's going to happen, whether you like it or not."
Unlike Massachusetts, California has no residency requirement for obtaining a marriage license, meaning gays nationwide are likely to flock to the state to be wed, said Jennifer Pizer, an attorney who worked on the case.
The ultimate reach of the ruling could be limited, however, since most states do not recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. Nor does the federal government.
The conservative Alliance Defense Fund said it would ask the justices for a stay of the decision until after the fall election in hopes of adding California to the list of 26 states that have approved constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage.
"We're obviously very disappointed in the decision. The remedy is a constitutional amendment. The constitution defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman," said Glen Lavy, senior counsel for the organization.
Opponents of gay marriage could also ask the high court to reconsider. If the court rejects such a request, same-sex couples could start getting married in 30 days, the time it typically takes for the justices' opinions to become final.
Attorney General Jerry Brown, whose office had argued to uphold the ban, said Brown will work with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and state agencies to implement the ruling.
The case was set in motion in 2004 when the mayor of San Francisco - the unofficial capital of gay America - threw City Hall open to gay couples to get married in a calculated challenge to California law. Four thousand wed before the Supreme Court put a halt to the practice after a month.
Two dozen gay couples then sued, along with the city and gay rights organizations.
Thursday's ruling could alter the dynamics of the presidential race, as well as state and congressional contests in California and beyond, by causing a backlash among conservatives and drawing them to the polls in large numbers.
A spokesman for Republican John McCain, who opposes gay marriage, said the Arizona senator "doesn't believe judges should be making these decisions." The campaigns of Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton said they believe that the issue of marriage should be left to the states.
Ten states now offer some form of legal recognition to same-sex couples - in most cases, domestic partnerships or civil unions. In the past few years, the courts in New York, New Jersey and Washington state have refused to allow gay marriage.
Outside the San Francisco courthouse, gay marriage supporters cried and cheered as news of the decision spread. Jeanie Rizzo, one of the plaintiffs, called Pali Cooper, her partner of 19 years, via cell phone and asked, "Pali, will you marry me?"
California already offers same-sex couples who register as domestic partners many of the legal rights and responsibilities afforded to married couples, including the right to divorce and to sue for child support.
Citing a 1948 California Supreme Court decision that overturned a ban on interracial marriages, the justices struck down the state's 1977 one-man, one-woman marriage law, as well as a similar, voter-approved law that passed with 61 percent in 2000.
The chief justice was joined by Justices Joyce Kennard and Kathryn Werdegar, all three of whom were appointed by Republican governors, and Justice Carlos Moreno, the only member of the court appointed by a Democrat.
In a dissent, Justice Marvin Baxter agreed with many arguments of the majority but said that the court overstepped its authority and that changes to marriage laws should be decided by the voters. Justices Ming Chin and Carol Corrigan also dissented.
California's secretary of state is expected to rule by the end of June whether the sponsors gathered enough signatures to put the amendment on the ballot.
Schwarzenegger, a Republican who has twice vetoed legislation that would have granted marriage to same-sex couples, said in a statement that he respected the court's decision and "will not support an amendment to the constitution that would overturn this state Supreme Court ruling."
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Associated Press writers Terence Chea, Jason Dearen, Juliana Barbassa and Evelyn Nieves in San Francisco and Liz Sidoti in Washington contributed to this report.
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Posted By:Joe at May 16, 2008 5:02 AM (Suggest Removal) Congratulations, California. It is long past time for the American people to stop trying to control other people's lives and work on solving the real problems in this world. Our kids are dying fighting a war that has lasted longer than WWII. Tens of thousands are dying due to earthquake and tornadoes. Our poor are starving, our elderly can't afford medications. We are destroyig our planet. Health care is unaffordable for far too many. Let's worry about the real problems, not who loves who.
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Posted By:Jay Bee at May 16, 2008 7:15 AM (Suggest Removal) Oh, man - the catering industry must be licking their chops! I hear the bells in Cali, and they go: Ka-CHING!
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Posted By:Not-So-Freshman Ryan at May 16, 2008 7:18 AM (Suggest Removal) Nice job Cali, it's good to see we now have 2 states that aren't discriminating. If only the other 48 could catch up...
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Posted By:sue at May 16, 2008 8:22 AM (Suggest Removal) Why again do conservatives care whether or not gay people marry? There is no place in a free nation such as this for such intolerance and prejudice. Go California!
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Posted By:Garrett at May 16, 2008 8:53 AM (Suggest Removal) What is more astonishing is how liberals don't care for the democratic process as long as they like the results. California voted several times and every time they voted against this legislation. After they established a law banning gay marriage, the courts overrule is 4:3? Democracy? Fraid not. If Bush were to pull a move like that, the libs would be all over him, but as long as they like the result they don't care. Hypocrites. In addition, the gay 'couples' in California already had all the rights of marriage before this ruling, just not the label. Further proof that the agenda of the homosexuals is not equality, but to shove their lifestyle in the face of those who deem it immoral. Maybe in November when the issue is looked at through the proper process, things will be sorted out right. Finally, the idea that opposition to gay marriage makes you a hater or 'intolerant' is ridiculous. If one doesn't support abortion they don't hate everyone who has one, if one doesn't support the war, they don't hate everyone who fights in it. Those of you who subscribe to this logic are unfortunate morons. Peace
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Posted By:Keith at May 16, 2008 9:17 AM (Suggest Removal) Jeff, you continue to perpetuate a myth that is not grounded in scientific fact, nor common sense. "Being gay" is not a "choice" as you wish it to be. People are born gay or heterosexual. Think of it this way: since so many people, such as yourself, discriminate against gays, why would they want to continue the lifestyle with all the pressures? It's time for you to grow up and drop your prejudices.
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Posted By:sheesh at May 16, 2008 10:02 AM (Suggest Removal) I believe that you are not born being homosexual that it is a choice a person makes and most do it to make a statement that no one can tell them how to live. I believe in civil unions but not Gay Marriage. God didn't make Adam and Steve, he made Adam and EVE. No wonder this world is going to hell... respect for man and woman is gone
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Posted By:gunslinger at May 16, 2008 10:06 AM My main point is: The legislatures of both states were out of line by going against the majority vote for a minority cause.'>(Suggest Removal) I just don't get it. Massachusetts has voted down "gay" marriage by referrendum every time it's been put up for legislation. Same for California. This goes to show that the majority of voters are still believers in the Judeo-Christian laws that the country was founded on. Why would a handfull of judges, both elected and appointed, go against the will of the majority? looking at this from a strictly governmental point of view: Why create more laws to effectively reduce tax coming into the state and federal governments? I'm puzzled! Looking at it from a social standpoint: Hey, I'm all for the tax benefit for a committed couple, either 'straight' or 'gay'. I just have a problem with the verbiage. I think (correct me if I'm way off base) that "marriage" is a purely religious term and "civil union" is 100 percent more appropriate. Am I just splitting hairs? My main point is: The legislatures of both states were out of line by going against the majority vote for a minority cause.
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Posted By:MATTHEW at May 16, 2008 10:09 AM (Suggest Removal) Jeff, you are so right that the goal of marriage is procreation. You ought to contact your representatives in government and let them know that they should start putting together a bill that makes it mandatory for people to pass a fertility test before they can get married. Also, someone needs to determine if it's OK for married folks to get vasectomies and tubal ligations.
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Posted By:gil at May 16, 2008 10:13 AM (Suggest Removal) Religious rhetoric aside, Garrett hit the nail on it's rainbow-stickered head. The will of the people has been usurped by justices overstepping their bounds. Through a legal process known as a referendum, the people of Cali vetoed gay marriage on 3 different occasions. The Cali Supremes, acting as legislators, overruled the vote and if the Terminator had any testicular fortitude, he would veto their ruling. But the same thing happened here as happens in every liberal agenda. They know that the people will not put up with their childlike behavior and inane ideology, so they use the courts to bypass the electorate. Sound familiar? It should, the same thing happened here on the gay rights bill.
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Posted By:Garrett at May 16, 2008 11:07 AM (Suggest Removal) I think it is too bad that Jeff has to point out that he is a secular person. If a religious person's opinion is somehow less valid on this issue then it would appear those who claim they are so "tolerant" just choose to discriminate against those with religious values. Typical progressive, liberal hypocrisy. Jeff shouldn't feel as if he has to separate himself from others who share his opinion, but I sadly understand why he does.
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 11:13 AM (Suggest Removal) Religious beliefs - Judeo-Christian teaching aside, "Marriage" is a sanctioned state of union which is endorsed by our state and federal governments. To provide and sanction all the benefits afford to heterosexual couples whom marry but yet not to homosexual couples who WISH to marry indicates an equitable imballance which is unfair at best and discriminatory at worst. A civil union is NOT marriage and the differences are clear. Tax returns, social security benefits, inheritances, next-of-kin issues, pension entitlements and much more are seriously out of balance when compared. With sexual orientation taken out of this conversation then the unfairness is understood easily. Does anyone recall that in the state of Massachusetts that interracial marriages were illegal? By today's standards that is an unacceptable and rightly so! Without civil rights legislation passed more than 40 years ago, that law would still be on the books today. Those laws were NOT passed by referendum and those laws would most certainly not have passed then if a referendum was held. Why whould this issue be any different in the eyes of the courts? Their job was not to look at the state of an individuals sexual orientation but the state of their union. Anyone who objects to gay people marrying at all bases those objections on their religious beliefs. OK, fine. I wish that weren't so, but one must let that be. For those who call homosexuality wrong, misguided, recreational (oh, really now!) or anything else people who are beyond convincing otherwise. Let them alone to their mantra. I can only hope that within my lifetime, I will be able to leagaly marry my partner - a relationship which has lasted longer than my brother's and sister's marriages combined. I want fairness and equal access to the opportunities afforded to every other citizen. For me and many other people, sexual orientation is not a choice. It's as real and as natural as being lefthanded or right; blue eyed or brown. For anyone to say otherwise is wrong, misguided and recreational.
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 11:43 AM (Suggest Removal) Jeff - If the church would let me then of course I would. And to make the terms homosexuality and pedophilia synonymous is offensive. Therefore you have nothing left to say that would argue your point any futher. I am not an atheist. I am NOT a pedophile and to intimate either has the similar ability to label you something which is as equally offensive. Biggot.
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Posted By:Jay Bee at May 16, 2008 11:46 AM (Suggest Removal) Jeff - that's a little silly with the pedophile argument, as children are not capable of informed consent. And nor are animals, as I suspect that's your next avenue of attack.
Marriage was primarily an institution for the continuance of family legacies and property. It hasn't served its original purpose for a long time, and at this point, why should it? If two loving adults are idealistic enough to shackle themselves forever for all time, I say let them go ahead and do it... suckers...
The real threat to marriage is divorce. I hear there's an awful lot of those! Let's make that illegal too!
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 12:01 PM (Suggest Removal) Hey Jeff, just knock it off! Homosexuals are not perverted as you so sneakily try to assert. Once again, trying to associate pedophilia and homosexuality as synonymous as wrong. Just keep the terms separate and see how well you argue your point. Just remember - I'm reading what you're writing and I consider myself to be as equally normal as you. But then I wonder. Where's the normal when there's one buy crying "pervert" to the other whose saying, "no, I'm not". All the same Jeff . . . knock off the pevert and abnormal garbage. You're wrong.
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Posted By:Eliza at May 16, 2008 12:07 PM (Suggest Removal) Jeff wrote: I don't discriminate at all, I just feel that marriage was originally intended to bond 2 mates on a spiritual level. In nature, “mates” are those who can procreate.
My husband & I cannot have children... is our marraige not good enough either? Are we not considered "mates"?
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Posted By:Garrett at May 16, 2008 12:12 PM (Suggest Removal) Joseph is treating every opinion opposed to his own as a personal attack. Jeff brought up pedophiles to illustrate how ridiculous the "born with it" argument is, not to draw any other parallel. It is a solid point and Joseph should back up and observe it without playing a victim.
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 12:15 PM (Suggest Removal) I'm hardly playing the "victim" Garrett. And I'll say it again. Jeff was associated pedophilia and homosexuality together. That's innacurate and wrong. And hold on. Wait a minute. The "born with it" argument? OK, gotcha Garrett. Yes a homosexual is "born with it". Just sit in front of me sometime and do your best to convince me that I chose homosexuality over heterosexuality. You'll be talking a long time. Hopefully, you'll lose your voice trying.
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Posted By:OK at May 16, 2008 12:29 PM (Suggest Removal) Oh my....just a question? Why are some people living in the stone ages still? Change is happening whether you like it or not. You may or may not be gay....what gives you the right to say anything about the other? Hey, if it's "un-natural" for gays to get married, then it's un natural for you to get married if you are ugly. Think about it. Go look in the mirror. Keep God out of it....ask God REAL questions on why are soldiers are fighting in a useless war...not why people that love each other are getting married. Get a life Jeff...or at least dig yourself out o fthe hole you are in....
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 12:38 PM (Suggest Removal) Here! Here! Concerned.
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 12:57 PM (Suggest Removal) No, we're not doomed to extinction because of homosexuality. Don't bother being so hyperbolic. We're more at risk from war and pestilence than that. Now really. Can't you be even the slightest bit realistic?
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Posted By:Not-So-Freshman Ryan at May 16, 2008 1:02 PM (Suggest Removal) Democracy has been and always will be majority rule WITH a protection of MINORITY RIGHTS. Banning gay marriage infringes on the rights of two people who love each other to enjoy the legal benefits that marriage provides. If your church refuses to perform the service, they have every right to as a private institution, but as a public government, we have to treat everyone equally.
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Posted By:MomOfTwo at May 16, 2008 1:06 PM (Suggest Removal) Jeff, will you marry me? You have made some valid points. I, too, am against same-sex marriage. Marriage is a social institution between MAN and WOMAN. Anything other than that is NOT marriage. Civil unions, fine. Domestic partners, fine. Marriage between same sex couples? No way. I'm not buying it. And, just for the record, I am not a bible-thumping anything. And yes, we are on our way to self-eradication if we are "evolving" into homosexuals.
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 1:08 PM (Suggest Removal) Yes I can say that if we continue to fight wars, then human kind will be eradicated. Homosexuality is NOT a threat to our species. WE are. To quote a very famous line: "I have seen the enemy, and he is us . . ."
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Posted By:Not-So-Freshman Ryan at May 16, 2008 1:10 PM (Suggest Removal) Additionally, the argument that homosexuality hurts the continuity of the human race is ridiculous for many reasons. The most obvious being that homosexual couples often choose adoption, which helps aid children whose parents chose to "perpetuate the species" and then couldn't handle it.
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Posted By:MomOfTwo at May 16, 2008 1:22 PM (Suggest Removal) Ok..not-so-Freshman, so what happens when we have completely evolved into a homosexual society (which is where Joe would lead us to believe we are evolving), no one will be having babies, even those who decided after the fact that they couldn't handle it. Zero babies, zero adoption. Zero mankind. Be gay if you want. I really could care less who you go to bed with at night. My problem is trying to normalize and equalize a gay relationship with that of a man and a woman.
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Posted By:Not-So-Freshman Ryan at May 16, 2008 1:30 PM (Suggest Removal) Except that scientific studies have proven that uteran exposure or lack-there-of to testosterone and estrogen seem to be the cause of where an individual lies on the spectrum of sexuality (with one end being heterosexuailty, and the other being transgenderism). You can find all that in trhis article, but you have to read the whole thing to get the idea: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199706/homosexuality-biology/3
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 1:45 PM (Suggest Removal) MomOfTwo, you're full of hot air. I did NOT say our society is heading to one of all homosexuality. And as well . . . this is NOT a matter of whom you sleep with at night. I couldn't care less whom you have sex with. And it's quite frankly none of your business to concern yourself with whom I sleep with either. OK. We're square on that. So stop saying that nonsense and simply state what you really mean, which is you don't feel that homoseuxality is normal as compared to homosexuality. I wonder if you feel superior in that knowledge. Do you feel "bolstered" via the comparison? Personally, I resent it. Because I'm as normal as the next person. Because I live my life the very same as you. The VERY same. However, you look at me as abnormal. Unacceptable. Immoral perhaps. Bunk! I'm born of normal people who had three children. My parents divorced. My brother and sister divorced. I'm still with my partner and we've been together almost 20 years now. So, MomOfTwo . . . where's the normal?
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Posted By:Not-So-Freshman Ryan at May 16, 2008 1:47 PM (Suggest Removal) Additionally, no one on here has said we're evolving into a homosexual society. Like I said above, we are and always have been an organism whose individual sexuality falls onto a spectrum, and we need not discriminate based on that. If you feel that humans haven't always done so and just recently found this "choice" of homosexuality, just talk to Alexander the Great.
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Posted By:Garrett at May 16, 2008 1:58 PM (Suggest Removal) Stand by, group marriages are next....why marry one spouse when you can have five!
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Posted By:MomOfTwo at May 16, 2008 2:05 PM (Suggest Removal) Joe, I totally agree. It's not a matter of whom you sleep with at night, as I stated in my post. "Be gay if you want. I really could care less who you go to bed with at night." My problem is not with homosexuals. My problem is with homosexuals trying to create a "marriage" between 2 men or 2 women. Marriage is between a man and a woman. PERIOD. Be gay. I really don't care about that. We are redefining the word "marriage" if we allow gays and lesbians to marry.
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 2:13 PM (Suggest Removal) What a minute. Just who do you think you are anyway? MomOfTwo! But thanks all the same for letting me gay "if I want". I'm not gay because "I wanna be". I'm gay simply because I am. And yes, I want marriage. I'm just as capable of upholding the principles and intent of marriage as you are. This isn't sexual peversion we're talking about. Gays and Lesbians consider marriage to be the same, sacred and precious thing that straight people do. Why then wouldn't we want to marry. We're the same as you are in every aspect - except we love somebody of the same sex. And that just makes you sick to think of it. How could you possibly think that as normal. That might really screw up your view of the world. By the way . . . whom is the "we" you mention when it comes to allowing gays and lesbians to marry? I wonder if there are any gays and lesbians in that group that decide? How about I bet you think there should be none?
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Posted By:AJ at May 16, 2008 2:20 PM (Suggest Removal) Posted By:Jeff at May 16, 2008 7:20 AM
If it were a choice, that would mean that you could choose to, doesn't it? Try to get your mind around that.. I couldn't bring myself to lie with another man no matter what. That would lead me to believe that someone who is gay just is. There is no lifestyle choice made there, who in their right mind would subject themselves to the abuse that they have to take growing up.
Just because your narrow mind hasn't the capacity to empathize with anothers point of view doesn't make what you believe correct.
Everyone has the right to lead their lives they way they feel is right.. Without having some holier than thou moron telling them how to do it.
I think if these so called Christians had their way, Burka's would be considered indecent.. Let's get out of the dark ages people.
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Posted By:MomOfTwo at May 16, 2008 2:23 PM (Suggest Removal) Joseph,you are putting words into my mouth. I never said it was sexual perversion. You said that. Not once have I said being gay was wrong, however you seem to allude to that. Maybe, deep down, you have hangups with it? I don't know. I can't answer that. I have no issues with gay people. Be gay. Be straight. Be bi-sexual. I DON'T CARE!!! Marriage, the institution between one man and one woman (did you hear me Joseph? MAN AND WOMAN), is where I have a problem with gays and lesbians trying to redefine what has been an institution between 2 people of the opposite sex. Good, bad or ortherwise, marriage is between one man, one woman. Jeesh!
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Posted By:Garrett at May 16, 2008 2:25 PM (Suggest Removal) So, Joseph....your position is that if you had a choice you wouldn't be a homosexual...that sounds more belittling than our position that homosexuality is wrong, heh.
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Posted By:AJ at May 16, 2008 2:31 PM (Suggest Removal) Could someone please explain to me how same sex marriage hurts mine? I've been married for 33 years and not once has a homosexual relationship ever caused a problem between my wife and I.. Money, kids, mother's-in-law, now those are a different story.
I find it odd that this subject keeps coming up just before big elections, Carl Rove left the Whitehouse, but his legacy of hate and prejudice seem to live on.
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 2:37 PM (Suggest Removal) Go blow your nose Garret. Where did I say that if I could choose my sexual orientation? Where? And MomOfTwo re-read what you previously wrote. Perhaps you're just a bad writer, but what I got from you was clear enough for me to suppose what you meant was my sexual orientation was defunct in some manner in comparrison to marriage. Once again. It's NOT about sex. It IS however, about marriage. And you're so redicious. You can type in large CAPITAL letters over and over again: "MAN AND WOMAN" - and I'll tell you to just drop it. I want to get married too. I'm just as worthy. I'm just as capable. After 20 years toghether, we should be.
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Posted By:MATTHEW at May 16, 2008 2:40 PM (Suggest Removal) MomOfTwo, I hope neither of your children are gay. I can't imagine the pain a gay child would feel growing up in a house with such an ignorant parent.
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Posted By:MomOfTwo at May 16, 2008 2:43 PM (Suggest Removal) Joseph...all I can do is laugh. You have so missed my point completely. Enjoy your marriage!!
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Posted By:sue at May 16, 2008 2:46 PM (Suggest Removal) This homophobic chatter is amazing. Try as you may to put your spin on it, labeling it as religious or "realist', truth is, you are one generation away from tossing a neighbor off a bridge, just because of their sexual orientation. It is precisely because of ignorance such as this that these laws need to be amended so that all loving couples can share the same privileges. Live and let live. That sums it up.
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Posted By:catjam at May 16, 2008 2:48 PM (Suggest Removal) I think Kinky Friedman says it best: "I'm in favor of gay marriage because they have the right to be just as miserable as the rest of us!"
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Posted By:Joseph at May 16, 2008 2:49 PM (Suggest Removal) MomOfTwo . . . your point is to say - and unreasonaly so, I should mention - that marriage is meant for only a MAND AND A WOMAN. I'm telling you full of baloney. I SHOULD be able to marry the same as you. And personally, I'd like you to agree with me. Because regardless of whether or not you're a mother of two children or not . . . you are no different than your gay or lesbian neighbor, who just may have to children of their own whom I'm sure would make great playmates to yours.
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Posted By:Garrett at May 16, 2008 5:10 PM (Suggest Removal) Her opinion is not baloney and she doesn't have to agree with you. Citing that gay couples have kids does not make her opinion any less valid.
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Posted By:matt F at May 16, 2008 5:11 PM (Suggest Removal) I am so sick of these progressive liberals with their equal rights and justice. How am i supposed to get any work done as a conservative regressive with all these homosexuals always tempting me.
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