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City, buyer in verbal accord on Colisee

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Friday, May 16, 2008

LEWISTON - City officials said Thursday they have a deal to sell the Androscoggin Bank Colisee by July 1 to a Veazie-based company that manages ice rinks.

The company has yet to sign a contract, but the parties have an "agreement in principle," City Administrator Jim Bennett said.

Once the legal documents are drawn up and signed, Firland Management would assume ownership of the former civic center, home to the Lewiston Maineiacs, a semi-professional hockey team.

Bennett estimated that the final contract would be ready for public scrutiny in the next few weeks. City attorney Martin Eisenstein is writing the first drafts, Bennett said.

"Depending on what the attorneys do, this could go fairly quickly," he said.

City officials didn't disclose any numbers pertaining to the sale, including the sale price or the future of Lewiston's $5.7 million in debt on the building. Councilors met with Bennett and Eisenstein in an executive session for about 45 minutes Thursday before announcing the deal.

Mayor Larry Gilbert said it would eliminate the city's ongoing subsidy of the ice rink, estimated at $488,000 for fiscal 2009. It would also change the Colisee's purpose, he said.

"(It will) return a focus on the youth of our community using the facility, which was the original dream and purpose of the facility when it was first created," Gilbert said, reading from a prepared statement. He said the deal is also structured to keep the Maineiacs in Lewiston.

"We're being very careful, considering all of the options," City Councilor Tom Peters said. "There will be a lot more the public will hear about this opportunity, this sale. There will be plenty of opportunity to voice their opinion, and this council will listen. We have not signed anything yet."

Firland Management operates ice arenas in Lansing, Mich.; Batavia, N.Y.; Johnstown, Pa.; Carencro, La.; and Fort Worth, Texas. It was one of the first companies Lewiston hired when it took over operation of the ice arena four years ago. Firland helped create the management plan for the Colisee.

The city has owned the former Central Maine Civic Center since February 2004 when it agreed to take on $4.2 million in debt and management of the center, including day-to-day operations and repairs.

Councilors gave the Colisee $650,000 in 2007 to cover two years of operational losses at the ice rink, on top of $3.2 million worth of building and equipment upgrades.

Improvements included a $2 million facade, an addition and interior work in 2005; a new ice resurfacer, a portable stage, an improved compressor, boiler repairs and bathroom upgrades in 2006. The city owes $5.7 million for the Colisee and improvements.

Later in the meeting Thursday, councilors voted to increase the subsidy for the ice rink by up to $225,000 to cover current-year losses. The money is for fiscal 2008, which ends June 30.

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Posted By:Lew. Taxpayer at May 16, 2008 8:45 AM (Suggest Removal)
I wonder how much this is going to cost the taxpayers. If you read the article , you get the impression that the city will no longer be responsible for the yearly operating expense. What about the $5.7 million that is owed on the Colisee. Both Tom Peters and Mayor Gilbert state the public will be allowed to comment on the sale. Sure they will listen and then do as they please. ANother thing why was there no notice of this extra $225K to the Colisee?? That's easy, they did not want the citizens as Mayor Gilbert says to have any input.

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Posted By:Tired at May 16, 2008 9:00 AM (Suggest Removal)
Oh geez, here we go. If an unruly mob shouts in unison "2 + 2 = 5" do you expect elected officials to agree with that too? You had the opportunity to voice your opinion the last election when these people were elected. Now that they are "leaders", they should show some "leadership". Vote them out of office next time around if their vision differs from yours. Reading some of the loonie rantings on this forum, I'd hope and expect the councilors to ignore most of what's shouted at them.

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Posted By:Lincoln at May 16, 2008 9:29 AM (Suggest Removal)
Ultimately the voters make the decision, either through a direct referendum or through the leaders they choose. If you're truly concerned, call your councilor and let them knwo how you feel.

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Posted By:Keith at May 16, 2008 9:32 AM (Suggest Removal)
You can't complain that the city needs to dump the Colisee and then complain that they are selling the Colisee. It can't be both.

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Posted By:BR at May 16, 2008 9:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
You can complain, if they are dumping the building, yet still holding the debt of the building!!!! That is what they are doing.... I compare it to you "selling" a house to someone, but keep paying the mortgage because you don't want to spend the money to buy oil, electricty, etc. What are you saving? The operating costs....But not the Mortgage.... And in doing so, you are giving away all the value. I don't know about you....but if I have a debt, I would at least like to have some collateral for that debt... Talking to one councilor, the plan is to maintain a majority of the debt, but lose the rights to the building (the collateral).... Only in Lewiston!!!

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Posted By:Randy at May 16, 2008 9:58 AM (Suggest Removal)
Where is Black hawk? I need to hear his feedback. My opinion is that he should scrounge some money up and partner with the Maintanence crew to buy the building. They would be the saviors. The building becoming just an ice rink will not cover the expenses and the new ownership will eventually be stuck in the same situation the city is in and the previous owner was in before. People just don't get it. This building will never break even.

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Posted By:Lincoln at May 16, 2008 10:13 AM (Suggest Removal)
So should we as a city continue to subsidize a half million in debt each year AND a half million (or more I suspect) in operating losses each year regardless of who operates it? I think this one should go to citizen referendum for a decision.

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Posted By:Randy at May 16, 2008 10:32 AM (Suggest Removal)
Lincoln - No one wants to pay for a loss, I understand. How much do we get taken out of our pay checks each year to pay for this loss? I am not sure I even know. Has it ever been broken down for us?

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Posted By:Chad at May 16, 2008 10:48 AM (Suggest Removal)
Hey Lew Taxpayer, why the swipe at Tom Peters and Colonel Klink? They had little say in the original investments. The arena will never be a money maker so why not let someone else take it? The new owners will use some of the operating losses to offset the gains their other properties generate. Good riddens to another City of Lewiston Festivus Miracle.

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Posted By:Lincoln at May 16, 2008 10:54 AM (Suggest Removal)
Randy, fair question and I'm probably least qualified to answer it, but based on whats been written here's what we know...the operating debt is about $500,000 - $600,000 each yar and does not seem to be decreasing as evidenced by their approval of additional funds last night. They are also paying about $500,000 each year on the debt for the building from purchase and added construction/repairs. So we're talking about $1.1 Million each year out of a city budget of $44Million in property taxes or about 2.5%. If you think about a home valued at $100,000 a number they often use, the tax would be about $2,600 each year so the share for the Colisee would be $65 for the homeowner. I'm sure I made a mistake somewhere but anyone else can comment, what do you think?

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Posted By:Randy at May 16, 2008 11:02 AM (Suggest Removal)
The approval of additional funds doesn't mean they are losing more this year it just means the budget was not realistic.

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Posted By:Eric at May 16, 2008 11:05 AM (Suggest Removal)
I don't think the city will be able to sell it for 5.7 M to re-coup all of its losses, but they certainly aren't selling it for $1. Maybe they sell it for 4 M and eat the 1.7 M or something like that. Anyway.. in the long run.. with a 500k/yr operating loss, the smart chioce is to sell while they can.

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Posted By:Randy at May 16, 2008 11:10 AM (Suggest Removal)
I love how we all comment on this but never really do anything about it. Who wants to go to the Colisee right now and protest? I am sure we can get some great TV coverage.

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Posted By:Matt at May 16, 2008 11:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
I've heard (no inside info- just people talking)they plan to cut costs by covering the ice surface when not in use by the Maineiacs or other hockey event with paid attendance. They will build a less expensive sheet (to build and maintain) on the adjacent property, where all youth practices and games will be held. May be just a rumor, but it makes sense when nobody can run the facility in the black.

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Posted By:BR at May 16, 2008 12:40 PM (Suggest Removal)
Where are the losses and how are they figured out? That is the question! If they are losing money trying to promote events, don't have them.... If they are losing money in vending, don't have them... If they are losing money with the maniacs, CHARGE MORE. If they are losing money from high school events, don't have them, or charge more. I think some Fuzzy Math must be happening.... If you are to believe the paper and what the city council is saying with a loss of OVER $650,000. That would mean they are losing almost 1800.00 a day?!? I find that VERY HARD to believe, especially since they have some income from events, maniacs, HS sports, etc... Someone is making some money somewhere!!!

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Posted By:Not-So-Freshman Ryan at May 16, 2008 1:02 PM (Suggest Removal)
Brian, you're a little wrong in your logic. Most of the money from ticket sales goes to the Maineiacs, so "charging more" isn't an option. The city makes the most during events by selling concessions, which if you haven't looked are already overpriced, so raising prices again won't help. The smartest thing I've seen with the Colisee is people who compare it to the Rec. Dept. We operate at a loss (I assume) with the Recreation and Parks department every year. Why is that? Because the people approve of the service they provide and eat the cost. The last council made the decision to buy the Colisee so it could be kept alive and provide a service to the citizens of Lewiston.

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Posted By:Lew. Taxpayer at May 16, 2008 1:18 PM (Suggest Removal)
Chad the so called swipe at Tom Peters and the mayor as you called it , is aimed at the once again put several items on the agenda for public comment at 3:30 PM on the day of the meeting. When people work and get home at 5:30, thjey find out that the city is going to dercide on yet another $225K to the Colisee. I really do not think that they wanted any comment from the citizens. A lot of items are added at the last minute. Why couldn't they wait until the 20th of May for the regular meeting?? They talk a good story of wanting transparency in city governemnt but they certainly are not practicing it.

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Posted By:Lew. Taxpayer at May 16, 2008 1:26 PM (Suggest Removal)
Eric, I could live with taking a small loss on this sale esp. when you consider the yearly loss in the operating expenses and the constant need for more money. Anything below a 4 million sale would be unacceptable. I do not want this taken back by the city in a couple of years in poor condition with the taxpayers once again having to put up money to bring it up to code! How many of the posters here are Lewiston taxpayers who have been burdened with this building for the last four years. People also have to know that once it is a private building that they have very little say on what goes on in it. I certainlky doubt you will be seeing anything else in the old building except for hockey or some form of an ice event

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Posted By:Mad man at May 16, 2008 2:07 PM (Suggest Removal)
This is exactly the problem, Lew Taxpayer. There is no community support behind the building...none. Everyone always blames the management for not bringing events to Lewiston, but when they do, the people don't come out.

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Posted By:Lincoln at May 16, 2008 2:48 PM (Suggest Removal)
Go look at prices for these white elephants, you'll find that the debt far outweighs its assessed value if there was one, my guess is its only worth about 2Millto a buyer. Is someone offered 4 mill this deal would have been done years ago...think about it. lewiston -a s to the swipe check Thursday am paper,it was in there too so its more than 3:30 PM notification of a meeting...

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Posted By:Randy at May 16, 2008 3:03 PM (Suggest Removal)
So is everyone ready to head over to Birch Street? Hoorah!!

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Posted By:Nick at May 16, 2008 3:36 PM (Suggest Removal)
Also what all of you forget to mention is the maineiacs also getting 25% of the food and beverage sales. Hopefully you can remember that 25% of 3 dollars go to the maineiacs which would be why the arena charges more because a quater of 3 dollars is better than 2.

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Posted By:Robert II at May 16, 2008 6:21 PM (Suggest Removal)
With a private owner, how much will they pay for the "Rain Tax" for that place? If they get a break, all other property owners should not have to pay either.

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Posted By:black hawk at May 16, 2008 9:53 PM (Suggest Removal)
hello randy this is blackhawk. and honestly the main reason for the loss of revenue is cause of management and global spectrum.they have like 6 events a year and the maniac games well first all the maniac games the city only made about 70 cents per ticket the rest went to the maniacs.so thats a no win situation especially the prior city board signed contracts with the manaics last year they had no events from the highschool graduation till sept 16 so that was about 6 months of no income but yet they have 9 vehicles parked out front everyday selling tickets hmmmmmmm.....i went there in nov 26th and asked them if they were having any xmas shows or etc for the children comeing up and the lady smiled and stated no.so in others words the place does look good thanks to the maintanence crew that work for pennies and no thanks to the high priced manager that does nothing and global spectrum who gets paid paid monthly for not booking a single event.and i hope that jim bennet doesnt do the same as he did with the southgate project so the collisee willbe a total lost and will have revenue for the city look at the web site for this veasie company seems they pretty much use it as ice skating ring and have no events at all except which is a good thing lots of family skating

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Posted By:Keith at May 17, 2008 3:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
you have no clue what you are talking about

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Posted By:Nick at May 17, 2008 9:14 AM (Suggest Removal)
Blackhawk I would ask where you get your information. As the colisee has had 7 events after the rave'n rage. And thats already. Yes it should be better not going to argue that. But also with the ammount of cars in the parking lot do you forget that 1 the maineiacs are a business also and you say 9 cars okay now lets look @ the people who are on salary. the GM, F&B manager, Business Manager who worked his tail off to at least work on correctly faults that past ones screwd up, then 2 others so on my count thats 5 plus the maineiacs that'd make sense to me that theres 9 cars in the parking lot.

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Posted By:Mad man at May 17, 2008 5:22 PM (Suggest Removal)
Again, Cyndy was right it what she said above. It's comments like this from people like blackhawk who have never supported the venue and its management team. I go to a lot of events at the COlisee and they work hard to bring shows there. BUt the building is too small for the bigger shows that everyone wants and with the Maineiacs playing on the weekends, that makes it hard to get shows too.

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Posted By:Randy at May 19, 2008 9:12 AM (Suggest Removal)
Black Hawk - Thank you for the answer but you really don't have a clue. You don't have to support the building but at least you could do some research so you don't look so naive. Come on now.

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