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Cops raid teen party

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Friday, June 6, 2008

RUMFORD - Twenty-five students, mostly from Mountain Valley High School in Rumford, were summoned early Wednesday morning after Maine State Police learned about an underage drinking party at Bunker Pond in Roxbury, police said.

According to investigating Trooper Jason Wing, the youths were 17 and 18 years old and were from Byron, Mexico, Peru, Roxbury and Rumford.

There were 19 criminal summons issued on charges of consumption of alcohol by a minor, and six juvenile summons issued, also on charges of consuming alcohol

Wing declined to identify all but one young adult.

State law prevents youths under the age of 18 who are charged with crimes from being publicly identified, but 18-year-olds are considered adults.

"I can't give the names of the (18-year-olds), because this is still being investigated," Wing said late Thursday night.

Wing said he arrested Ryan Cormier, 18, of Rumford on a charge of disorderly conduct. Cormier was also one of those summoned on a charge of being a minor drinking alcohol. Maine's legal drinking age is 21.

"Cormier was being very loud and disrespectful and I warned him to keep his mouth quiet, but he continued and continued and continued. We even let him go on for a couple of minutes while his friends even tried to tell him to stop or he was going to get into trouble," Wing said.

All will be arraigned on the Class E misdemeanor crimes at 8:30 a.m. Aug. 5 in Rumford District Court.

Wing said most of the teens are Mountain Valley High School students, but he didn't know how many of them are seniors who will be graduating at commencement exercises, which start at 4 p.m. Saturday, June 7, in the high school gym.

Superintendent Jim Hodgkin declined to comment on the charges or whether there could be special consequences if any of the students charged are in the graduating class. He said that Principal Matt Gilbert, who was standing nearby, could not comment, either, because school policy.

State police learned about the party early Wednesday morning when a concerned parent contacted a dispatcher at the Gray barracks. Police arrived shortly after 2 a.m., and some of the teens had already left, Wing said. The party was being held in a logging yard at the pond, which is accessible by a dirt road that runs between routes 120 and 17.

"There was a combination of malt beverages, beer and hard liquor there," Wing said. "We found several people who were so heavily intoxicated that they had to be woken up. Rumford police brought along a portable breath kit, and there were a couple of people who said they had not been drinking, and they were tested and found to be not telling the truth."

Although police have yet to learn who supplied the youths with the alcohol, Wing said he didn't expect any more charges to be made.

Some parents of those who were charged were trying to downplay the seriousness of the crimes, he said.

"Some of the parents I've spoken to, it's not that they don't care their kids are drinking, but they don't see any problem with it since they're not driving," he said, "But we're trying to send the message that if there is underage drinking, there's going to be consequences."


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Posted By:dr. dosh at June 6, 2008 5:15 AM *'>(Suggest Removal)
Such irresponsibility . Don't think and drive , parents . Hope they cited the homeowner , too . You play , you pay . Adulthood starts at 1 8 everyone . It happens to be the legal draft age Alo'ha ..)=>*

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Posted By:Tabitha at June 6, 2008 5:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
hey dosh--there was no homeowner, it was a LOGGING ROAD.

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Posted By:Gordon at June 6, 2008 5:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
Lock 'um ALL up!!!

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Posted By:D L at June 6, 2008 5:48 AM (Suggest Removal)
It is about time that someone caught these kids. This is not the first time a party has been held at Bunker Pond and it certainly will not be the last. But some - I am not saying ALL - parents in the area think that it is a rite of passage that every child goes thru. Time honored tradition, if you will. I think it's time for a crack down on those supplying the booze - though you will probably find that it is coming from more than one household. Thank you, State Troopers for a job well done!

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Posted By:ronnie at June 6, 2008 5:51 AM (Suggest Removal)
I guess you other bloggers were never teenagers!!!!

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Posted By:Tiny Tim at June 6, 2008 6:07 AM (Suggest Removal)
Great Job: Trooper Wing and Rumford Police. Now if the Concord Pond area and Walker Brook in Roxbury can be shut down: then the parent who allow underage drinking at their homes will stop allowing, it could send a message.

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Posted By:Gordon at June 6, 2008 6:10 AM (Suggest Removal)
Hey Me..... YES we were all teenager (longtime ago for some of us) it's just that when we were that age we weren't irresponsible!

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Posted By:maggie at June 6, 2008 6:13 AM (Suggest Removal)
yes i was, a stupid one. good job officers!!!

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Posted By:bert at June 6, 2008 6:17 AM (Suggest Removal)
where they on school property ? nope did they destory school property? nope so the school has no right at all for "special consequences" if they do and i was a parent i would hire a lawyer. yes these teens were stupid but they are teenagers let the parents handle this. and this is front age news? only because it happened in the river valley. this is a section B news.

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Posted By:Chuck at June 6, 2008 6:44 AM (Suggest Removal)
I was an irresponsible teen once...I’m lucky that I am still alive. Let’s protect our children. They still need that from us, even if they are graduating and moving to adulthood.

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Posted By:Skip at June 6, 2008 6:49 AM (Suggest Removal)
Gordon,who do you think you are kidding?

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Posted By:willie wonka at June 6, 2008 6:58 AM (Suggest Removal)
Cormier had the right to remain silent..... just not the ability

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Posted By:Garrett at June 6, 2008 7:01 AM (Suggest Removal)
If you aren't old enough to pay your own bills/take care of yourself and your parents won't do the job.....law enforcement will do it for them. Props to the police officers and if you are a teenager taking the risk of partying then you are accepting the consequences of being caught. Peace

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Posted By:carey at June 6, 2008 7:09 AM (Suggest Removal)
The special consequenses come when these teens sign a contract that if they are playing in sports teams which cost alot of money to fund they will follow the rules or these are the consequenenses. The broke the rules and the law and now they have to answer to that. That is life. Why instead of the parent's either being mad at their children if they broke the rules and lied to go to that party or if they parents choose to allow them to go did that not remind them of the actions and risks of getting caught because the parents sign those contracts too. No it is easier to be angry at the police. Parents are so unwilling to say no, upset their children etc and when they are wrong it used to be parents would stand behind their kids to deal with the punishment now parents stand in front of their kids and flip out because they were caught. One of the problems is that alot of these were the "good kids". And TRR is you are going to claim targeting against the board again please get the facts straight that is a State Police call.

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Posted By:as i at June 6, 2008 7:11 AM (Suggest Removal)
I believe we were all teenagers once,and I'm sure there are lots of us that have raised our kids through those nasty teenage years and they survived but there is that old saying "don't do as I do,do as I say." I have a hard time with parents just blowing this off as a right of passage. When those parents get the midmight phone call to coem identify their kid's bodies because they were drinking and driving and got killed is their response still going to be "Its a right of passage" I think not, they will be the ones screaming and looking for the person who supplied the alcohol.

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Posted By:helga at June 6, 2008 7:15 AM (Suggest Removal)
Why didnt the "concerned parent" go over there and pick up their own child?

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Posted By:a mom at June 6, 2008 7:26 AM (Suggest Removal)
i agree that we were all teenagers and did stupid things, however i am glad that the school and the police are going to do something about this. Congrats to the concerned parent on calling the cops once you found out about the party. We need to take care of our kids. Carey is right alot of parents are too scared to say no. But we need to know where our kids are. the the parents who knew about the party shame on you. There are other ways of having a good time then drinking.

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Posted By:Jennifer at June 6, 2008 7:32 AM (Suggest Removal)
I am glad they were busted. We have a legal drinking age for a reason. The article said some of the kids had already left...probably intoxicated. I think the police should be patrolling these "known" party areas on a regular basis as it is. Good job officers!

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Posted By:Timeout at June 6, 2008 7:35 AM (Suggest Removal)
I too did plenty of stupid things as a teen in Biddeford. The teenaged brain is wired to think it is bullet-proof and nothing will happen to me. I had a trip home in a cruiser my junior year...my parents were mortified..."not our good girl"... lucky I didn't kill anyone...I lost my father's Chevy Blazer after I drove 11 kids to a dance and then passed out... My parents didn't say anything to me because they didn't know what to say. Please let's not pass judgment on anyone involved...it's tough being a parent, it's tough to know what the right thing is to do, it's tough to stand behind your kids and let them take the consequences for their choices. I try to walk through things with my kids and stand by their side... it's the hardest thing to do but I want them to be successful adults...some days I just hope they will live through their teen years. Sometimes it's embarrassing to hear the gossip and judgment but years from now it won't matter. Hopefully the teens will feel the community standing beside them through this, and then eventually come to recognize that everything we do affects everyone else. We really are not separate. Thank you RPD, thank you concerned parents...I would want someone to call if it were my kids...they are too precious to lose.

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Posted By:Parent at June 6, 2008 7:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
Once again the Sun Journal "slams and sensationalizes" the town of Rumford. There was another teenage drinking incident earlier this week, that took place during a school sponsored event in a neighboring district and that town's name wasn't plastered all over the front page! You are always reporting how the Selectmen are hindering the economic growth of Rumford but your paper seems to be doing a darn good job of reporting all the negative issues and never reporting the good. Come on Sun Journal cut Rumford some slack!

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Posted By:carey at June 6, 2008 8:04 AM (Suggest Removal)
So it is the papers fault also. Someone obviously called the journal to let them know as it would not have been on the State Police's Blotter. Let's leave the blame for once on who caused the problem. This is Rumford's problem. Would it be so much better for Rumford for those parent's to make statements of regret or apology for the cost to the taxpayers. Let the kids own this mistake before they head of to college and are responsible for themselves.

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Posted By:helga at June 6, 2008 8:12 AM (Suggest Removal)
Geez, wasnt anyone here a teenager? Not so many years ago the drinking age was 18 so many of you commenting could do it legally. I cant count the number of high school parties we had. All you can do is try to teach your kids responsibility when drinking, if more people did we wouldnt have so many ADULT drinkers who are not responsible.

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Posted By:Johnny P at June 6, 2008 8:18 AM (Suggest Removal)
Give me a break. Kids will be kids, let them have some fun. There's been teenage pit parties since there's been high schools.

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Posted By:sickntired2 at June 6, 2008 8:24 AM (Suggest Removal)
Shouldn't these high school "kids" get the same treatment as the "Cape 10" reported in the Portland Press Harold? What's good for 1 is good for all. The "Cape 10" did over $16000.00 in damages to their own school & not 1 summons was issued. Yes, these "kids" were drinking....were they destroying anybody's property? I do not approve of underage drinking, but to issue summons...come on. Call the parents, have them picked up. Or keep them in jail over night to MAYBE teach them something. It just goes to prove, money talks. See the Portland Press Harold "Cape 10" story & you'll understand.

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Posted By:LadyJay at June 6, 2008 8:27 AM (Suggest Removal)
Teenage drinking and drug use are not just a problem in Rumford. The problem is everywhere. Parents need to step up, we are not our childrens friends. If we want our children to make tough decisions than we need to set the example. Teenagers will experiment however they must understand there are consequences in the choices they make as well as accountability. This is the case for all people in society. Parents should be teaching accountability and not supporting reckless behavior. Too many young lives are lost each year to drinking and driving. And for those of you who say they weren't going to drink and drive, HOW were they getting home?

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Posted By:bert at June 6, 2008 8:28 AM (Suggest Removal)
i am willing to punish my childern for mistakes they make. these teenagers got summons will go to court and pay a fine and rightly so. but for the school system to take "special consequences" or any action is wrong. last week i got a speeding ticket does that mean my employer gets to fire me? (yes in my car on my time)

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Posted By:Barbara at June 6, 2008 8:33 AM (Suggest Removal)
people (adults and teenagers) need to obey the law and take responsibility for their actions if they don't. yes, we were all teenagers, but consequences are what help us learn safe and appropriate behavior. when your toddler runs into the street do you just say "oh, s/he is only a baby so i don't need to teach them better"? stop blaming the police and the press and look at solving the real problem. the law is there to keep our teenagers and the general public safe. i am extremely thankful to the concerned parent and the police for stepping in and avoiding the possibility of a tragic car accident or young person dying of alcohol poisoning. that would certainly make the front page of the newspaper!

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Posted By:Todd at June 6, 2008 8:34 AM (Suggest Removal)
WE GO THROUGH THIS EVERY YEAR. AND EVERY YEAR IT'S THE SAME COMMENTS FROM THE SAME PRUDES. COME ON PEOPLE, RIGHT OR WRONG, HOW MANY OF YOU WENT THOSE KEG PARTIES OUT IN THE WOODS WHEN YOU WERE KIDS? I DID! I SEEM TO REMEMBER HOSTING MANY MYSELF. GET OVER IT. LIKE I SAID, RIGHT OR WRONG THEY ARE GOING TO DO. DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO DON'T CUT IT.

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Posted By:bert at June 6, 2008 8:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
right on todd !!! me too!!

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Posted By:LadyJay at June 6, 2008 8:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
Todd, As the parent of teenage boys, I do not believe in the do as I say not as I do saying. My boys are not perfect I am sure the day will come when they experiment with drinking and other stuff. I hope not, but I am no Prude nor am I stupid. However my sons know that there will be consequences if and when they make those choices. As well as athletes in their school they signed a contract stating they would be drug and alchol free. Therefore the school has every right to honor those contracts. However if they are not athletes I believe this is a parent and court issue. Also, if i were to get stopped for drinking and driving there is a good chance that I would not only lose my drivers lisence but I would lose my job. The state would take my professional lisence! Stop making excuses, the children today lack respect and accountability!

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Posted By:Johnny P at June 6, 2008 8:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
The only thing i am concerned about is missing the party! Damn it!

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Posted By:LadyJay at June 6, 2008 8:49 AM (Suggest Removal)
Johnny, You make my case, you sound like a real PUNK!!

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Posted By:MomOfTwo at June 6, 2008 8:50 AM (Suggest Removal)
LadyJay, I am one mother who agrees with you 100%. We need to stop enabling our children and start making them be responsible for the choices and decisions they make. I, for one, don't want to have to identify my 17-year-old daughter from a gurney in the morgue. I would much rather have her "hate" me for a couple of years for being a responsible parent.

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Posted By:Johnny P at June 6, 2008 8:50 AM (Suggest Removal)
a. something or someone worthless or unimportant. b. a young ruffian; hoodlum. c. an inexperienced youth. d. a young male who likes to party. -I choose D.

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Posted By:Reality Check at June 6, 2008 8:56 AM (Suggest Removal)
Oh, my god! A party by the lake! Unheard of. I bet there was marijuana there as well. These kids should be locked up and not allowed to graduate.

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Posted By:nosey at June 6, 2008 8:57 AM (Suggest Removal)
As far as military vs. drinking age vs. voting age, my impression from what I've read is that there isn't really any contradiction. The general idea seems to be that an 18 year old's psychological development isn't completely hard-wired yet, still got a ways to go. That's why putting off exposure to alcohol and tobacco to a point where they're less likely to become addicted is the rationale. That's why they're ripe for military training - easier to mold into a cohesive fighting unit, and that's why they can vote - a little more likely to jump on a persuasive bandwagon. I don't mean to disparage the judgment of all adolescents, just I think the reasoning is all of a piece, whether it's flawed or not.

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Posted By:MomOfTwo at June 6, 2008 8:59 AM (Suggest Removal)
Good answer Johnny. You're very convincing in the fact that most of your brain cells are dead. Your mother must be proud of you.

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Posted By:helga at June 6, 2008 9:02 AM (Suggest Removal)
MomOfTwo, I must tell you no matter how many times you tell your daughter not to drink before she is 21, she is probably going to. Why not teach her to drink responsibly so when she turns 21 she doesnt binge on it? I will admit I drank very often when I was a teen not that I'm proud of it but when I turned 21 it wasnt such a big deal, therefore I didnt spend that year being an idiot. I knew about responsible drinking. Look at how many adults still binge drink.

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Posted By:Timeout at June 6, 2008 9:05 AM (Suggest Removal)
Can we lay off the name-calling and shaming? I think safety is the issue here, not whether anyone is a prude or a punk.

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Posted By:Johnny P at June 6, 2008 9:05 AM (Suggest Removal)
What you fail to realize is the majority of bloggers are unintelligent and uneducated. By default, you should be expecting and accepting my ignorance. For if I was successful, I would not have the time to sit and blog while others (the leaders and intelligent folk of society) were off working.

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Posted By:Timeout at June 6, 2008 9:07 AM (Suggest Removal)
I tried to think of what I would do if my child came home and had been drinking. What if I knew there were a bunch of kids out there somewhere? Would I try to call all the parents myself? Would I just shrug my shoulders and say not my problem? Would I be able to sleep because I care about other people's kids and not just my own? Would I have gone out there and tried to handle it myself? It's a tough decision. I think I would have called the police too and let them handle it...

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Posted By:MomOfTwo at June 6, 2008 9:15 AM (Suggest Removal)
helga, you and I agree on most things, but this is one where I can't agree with you. There are laws in place for reasons. I know she is going to drink, I'm not naive and I don't live under a rock, but she also has to know by making those choices, there will be consequences for those actions. If she so chooses to drink before she is 21, if caught by the police she will have to face their punishment, if caught by me, she will have to face mine. Laws are laws, regardless of how old you are. I hope to teach her that there are consequences for stupid decisions, whether you are a teenager or an adult. It's all about accountability.

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Posted By:Bertha at June 6, 2008 9:20 AM (Suggest Removal)
I have no problem, it's illegal and that's that...however they then allowed kids to drive others home and I know of two that shouldn't have been driving...seriously even the ones that were "o.K" are kids who were up all night and have no business on the roads...I wonder how it would have gone if one of those kids had gotten in an accident?

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Posted By:Make Good Choices at June 6, 2008 9:28 AM (Suggest Removal)
Believe it or not - kids CAN grow up without getting into alcohol, drugs, and smoking. Investing time and money helps. Here are some statistics that show why alcohol is dangerous. More than 100,000 U.S. deaths are caused by excessive alcohol consumption each year. Direct and indirect causes of death include drunk driving, cirrhosis of the liver, falls, cancer, and stroke.1 At least once a year, the guidelines for low risk drinking are exceeded by an estimated 74% of male drinkers and 72% of female drinkers aged 21 and older.2 65% of youth surveyed said that they got the alcohol they drink from family and friends.7 Nearly 14 million Americans meet diagnostic criteria for alcohol use disorders.5 Youth who drink alcohol are 50 times more likely to use cocaine than those who never drink alcohol.3 Among current adult drinkers, more than half say they have a blood relative who is or was an alcoholic or problem drinker.1 Across people of all ages, males are four times as likely as females to be heavy drinkers.1 More than 18% of Americans experience alcohol abuse or alcohol dependence at some time in their lives.6 Traffic crashes are the greatest single cause of death for persons aged 6–33. About 45% of these fatalities are in alcohol-related crashes.4 Underage drinking costs the United States more than $58 billion every year — enough to buy every public school student a state-of-the-art computer.2 Alcohol is the most commonly used drug among young people.1 Problem drinkers average four times as many days in the hospital as nondrinkers — mostly because of drinking-related injuries.1 Alcohol kills 6½ times more youth than all other illicit drugs combined.2 Concerning the past 30 days, 50% of high school seniors report drinking, with 32% report being drunk at least once.2 Sources 1 Substance Abuse: The Nation’s Number One Health Problem, Feb. 2001 2 Mothers Against Drunk Driving 3 National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse 4 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 5 Alcohol Health & Research World 6 National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism Analysis 7 The Century Council

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Posted By:carey at June 6, 2008 9:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
The kids are bad kids they are doing kid things.. thats whay they have parents The police arent bad they are policing the laws and doing police things... The parents mad at the police for doing their job and ruining sports...bad message to your kids...they new the rules, broke them and their are penalties. This is a life lesson, if you go to work you can get fired, if you drink and drive death is possible to me it is less an age issue than the historical risk of these large unsupervised parties this time a year. For me I hold the kids/parents responsible for their decision without judging the decision.

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Posted By:Timeout at June 6, 2008 9:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
Here's the part where it takes the village to raise the child. I have talked to my kids about drugs and alcohol since they were little. They both won the DARE essay contest at school. They both drank this year and got suspended. I didn't go down to the school and fight the consequences. They lost a lot of things, including red and blue cards, field trips, school time, etc., etc., the list of loss is endless. Hopefully it makes them not want to do it again but ultimately it's their choice and I can't be with them every single minute of the day. I appreciate the school's policy. I am sad that my children missed important events. I am grateful that the school's attention to the situation gave our family an opportunity to intervene. These are very tough issues. I think I am a good parent. I don't drink. I am not hysterical about drinkers, however, because to me it's not a moral issue. Not everyone who drinks will have a drinking problem...some will. I don't believe you can teach someone how to drink responsibly. Everything I teach my kids goes out the window when they want to do what they want to do. Kids will expirement - true. And I agree with MomofTwo who says that there are consequences to decisions we make - the kids have the right to learn that, hopefully without paying too great a consequence.

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Posted By:Amanda at June 6, 2008 9:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
Hey people kids will be kids...and by the way the majority of the kids at this party we're part of the top ten at mountain valley which further proves your kids might be the the leaders at school but at the end of it all they just wanna have fun! SO LET THEM!

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Posted By:as i at June 6, 2008 9:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
for those who want to blow this off as teenagers being teenagers, why don't you go talk to the cops, ems providers, doctors and nurses who have had to deal with the outcome of such parties, had to make the phone calls to the parents to come identify their child in the morgue, who have to deal with the grief stricken parents who just can't believe their child would have done such a thing, or better yet why not volunteer to make such calls yourself, i guarantee you will walk away with a whole different attitude on teenage drinking

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Posted By:Jenna at June 6, 2008 10:00 AM (Suggest Removal)
Seems where I was a teenager two years ago I have something to say about 'teenagers being teenagers'. I find it completely ridiculous that parents can write this off as 'teenagers being teenagers'. In fact, a lot of these kids that party, get their alcohol from their parents who either 1. Are living their high school years out through their children 2. Think that doing that not only will make their children cool but will get other kids to admire the parents(By the way, if that's the case, that's sad) So all of you that defend the kids being kids, I'm assuming that in your history you partied harty when you were younger, or you never got to chance to because your parents loved you. The parties they have today are not just tipping back a few beers. Theres drugs, people getting raped, and people getting so intoxicated that they don't even know who they are. Yes, believe it or not this happens in little towns in Maine. Whether there's five people or twenty-five. I have a feeling that the parties some of you used to attend when you were young may have been harmless, but they are not partying the same way you did. Protect your kids. And before you go off on some tangent on how I must be some nerdy unpopular girl who never attended a party here's a little 411 for you. I was voted prom queen (that night a group of us went out to eat didn't party, that night my friend got raped at a party) In my life I've attended three parties but thankfully I had enough sense to realize that the reason why people go to many of these parties is to look pretty, and flirt to feel good. It's sad. Look around, times have changed, and it's not harmless anymore.

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Posted By:carey at June 6, 2008 10:05 AM (Suggest Removal)
sorry typo Not bad kids...

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Posted By:Timeout at June 6, 2008 10:18 AM (Suggest Removal)
Elle - I'm sorry for your friend - these are the consequences that no one deserves.

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Posted By:ojhuig at June 6, 2008 10:25 AM (Suggest Removal)
Why do some of you think that all teenagers do this crap? They don't, and it is a cop-out to excuse it.

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Posted By:someone at June 6, 2008 10:49 AM (Suggest Removal)
If someone would have been hurt, raped, or killed during this party, then the comments would be that something needs to be done to stop this from happening. These are the times to make kids accountable for their actions, rather than praise them for having a good time at the end of the year. Nobody wants to get the phone call that a loved one is gone because of the stupidity of a teenager living it up for graduation.

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Posted By:just me at June 6, 2008 10:53 AM (Suggest Removal)
I agree with Elle, parents are trying to be best buds with their teens instead of the hard job of parenting. This stuff goes on everywhere in the country. Saying that it's because they are teenagers is a cop out but teens will try things and unfortunately sometimes they do get hurt. It's a miracle they survive these years with all the crap that's out there. Parents need to unite and do their jobs, don't give up because it's hard! You brought them into the world and it's your job to make sure they are safe.

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Posted By:Facts at June 6, 2008 11:06 AM (Suggest Removal)
Mac: I couldn't agree with you more.

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Posted By:Jenna at June 6, 2008 11:14 AM (Suggest Removal)
Top ten don't become top ten in their class by partying. That's my experience. In fact, my experience was kids that partied cared more about socials then their actual homework. So I wonder how they got these grades? In my school we called it cheating. The better grades you had you could spend more time playing sports and hanging out with friends. It happens. So, bad point Amanda. Just because someone seems smart doesn't mean they have common sense. And I'm assuming that the kids they had to wake up because they were so intoxicated had no common sense, or else they would have stopped drinking. Good point Elle!

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Posted By:ays at June 6, 2008 11:25 AM (Suggest Removal)
EVERYONE LISTEN. The Sun Journal and trooper Wing have not told you the whole story, They have made it sound like the kids that were at Bunker Pond that night are felons and over all horrible teenagers. For all of you who are running off at the mouth saying these teenagers are Irresponsible and should be locked up, how about you not run your mouths until you have heard eveything. The people who recieved court dates are the most responsible people that were at the party. The only reason they got in trouble was because they made the (apparently wrong) CHOICE to spend the night up in the woods instead of driving home. For all of your information that party had 60 to 70 people there earlier that night which most of them DROVE HOME. I just find it interesting that the kids that made the choice to stay where they were got in trouble and the kids that left did'nt as much as raise an eyebrow to most of you people. as for you people with "perfect little teenagers" you might want to look a little closer into your kids lives because some of the teens we are talking about have been drinking together since MIDDLE SCHOOL. I was at this party I know the truth I know what really happened and most of all I know and understand that drinking is illegal and a bad choice but no matter what you parents think you can do about it, it's going to happen and it WILL happen before the age of 21. And to clear Ryan Cormiers name he was not being loud and out of control he was sticking up for a young lady that had to much to drink and was being RIPPED out of a car by trooper Wing he was then placed in handcuffs. and lastly I just want to say I'm not trying to justify underage drinking I just felt that you all should hear everyhting that happend and if thier are any questions about that night I am more than willing to answer them. Sorry for such a long comment.

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Posted By:bert at June 6, 2008 11:31 AM (Suggest Removal)
Can we lay off the name-calling and shaming? I think safety is the issue here, not whether anyone is a prude or a punk. good question Timeout then why did the police leave most of the kids there? i am not saying what they did was right but the school system should not be involved!

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Posted By:David Hughes at June 6, 2008 11:32 AM (Suggest Removal)
Part of being a kid is growing up. Part of growing up is learning that there are consequences for your actions. Removing the consequences is a disservice to the kid.

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Posted By:*PayPayPay* at June 6, 2008 11:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
Kids will be kids! Its never been any different and never will be. Some get caught, some don't. Leave them alone, they're growing up.

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Posted By:MomOfTwo at June 6, 2008 11:43 AM (Suggest Removal)
What are you talking about Bert? No where in this article does it say the police left most of the kids there.

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Posted By:ays at June 6, 2008 11:59 AM (Suggest Removal)
EVERYONE LISTEN. The Sun Journal and trooper Wing have not told you the whole story, They have made it sound like the kids that were at Bunker Pond that night are felons and over all horrible teenagers. For all of you who are running off at the mouth saying these teenagers are Irresponsible and should be locked up, how about you not run your mouths until you have heard eveything. The people who recieved court dates are the most responsible people that were at the party. The only reason they got in trouble was because they made the (apparently wrong) CHOICE to spend the night up in the woods instead of driving home. For all of your information that party had 60 to 70 people there earlier that night which most of them DROVE HOME. I just find it interesting that the kids that made the choice to stay where they were got in trouble and the kids that left did'nt as much as raise an eyebrow to most of you people. as for you people with "perfect little teenagers" you might want to look a little closer into your kids lives because some of the teens we are talking about have been drinking together since MIDDLE SCHOOL. I was at this party I know the truth I know what really happened and most of all I know and understand that drinking is illegal and a bad choice but no matter what you parents think you can do about it, it's going to happen and it WILL happen before the age of 21. And to clear Ryan Cormiers name he was not being loud and out of control he was sticking up for a young lady that had to much to drink and was being RIPPED out of a car by trooper Wing he was then placed in handcuffs. and lastly I just want to say I'm not trying to justify underage drinking I just felt that you all should hear everyhting that happend and if thier are any questions about that night I am more than willing to answer them. Sorry for such a long comment.

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Posted By:ays at June 6, 2008 11:59 AM (Suggest Removal)
sorry it sent twice

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Posted By:Timeout at June 6, 2008 12:10 PM (Suggest Removal)
Joseph - thanks for the reality check...I think a lot of parents are in denial about their own kids. Again, it's not a moral issue, it's not about who's good or bad, it's not about who's smart and who isn't. I see where you're coming from that the kids who didn't drive away got in trouble - it probably seems unfair to you. At times as a parent I often find it unfair that I make my kids take their consequences and other parents don't. Then I remember that I'm only responsible for raising my children the best that I can. All I can do is try to do what I think is right - that doesn't mean I'm always right either.

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Posted By:sick of the baby rappers at June 6, 2008 12:28 PM (Suggest Removal)
I dont understand how any one can think that this is the fault of parents. My mom and dad were awesome parents. They were involved in our education, sports, freinds, they asked when,where,how & who.....they did not let us venture far w/o their involvement. No questions were taboo, NONE! When we were old enough and ready to expriment with alcohol, we went to them, we were 18. They did not want us out drinking, driving, and hanging out all hours of the night. They let us do it at home. We kept out nose clean MOST OF THE TIME, but we were TEENAGERS. Many nights mom and dad whent to bed, out the bed room window we went. So was this our parents fault. HELL NO!!!!!!! We were teens. Stop holding parents accountable for all of their kids actions. Teens are Teens, they learn from their mistakes. No, not shame on sun journal, shame on all you yuppies on here making a big deal out of a life lesson. Pay a little closer attention to your own kids, not gossip and I bet you find their angel wings are not as fluffy as you thought. :)

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