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E-mail offers a glimpse of council tension

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Sunday, June 29, 2008

LEWISTON - The tension between Mayor Larry Gilbert and Lewiston city councilors came to a head on Feb. 5.

They'd been sparring over whether to give a group studying Bates Mill No. 5 more time to complete its work. Councilors said they wanted the report finished by March 4; Gilbert directed city staff to give the group more time.

But Council President Tom Peters countermanded that, and directed staff to hold fast to the March 4 deadline. Then councilors stepped forward to put the mayor in his place.

"Sooner or later it was going to come to this," Councilor Denis Theriault told Gilbert. "In my opinion and according to Charter, the Council is in charge. Should a tie vote occur then you break the tie. Don't count on that job in the foreseeable future."

Theriault argued that councilors had selected Peters to speak for them and that was that.

"It would appear you have another Council you can't work with," he added. "...let's NOT do coffee."

Councilors Bob Reed and Tina Bailey echoed Theriault.

"So Mister Mayor please remember that you are a figure head, not a councilor," Bailey said. "If you can't stay within the boundaries of your job as Mayor of the Great City of Lewiston than I have to wonder what kind of job you will do for us in Augusta."

The squabble was a demonstration of how policy is being set in Lewiston's government these days and just who is doing it. It was compelling, it was informative, the sort of debate Lewiston citizens used to benefit from.

And it was all done behind the public's back, via e-mails traded back and forth among city councilors.

That exchange was part of thousands of e-mail messages obtained by the Sun Journal from the Lewiston and Auburn city councils under a Freedom of Access Act request for access to all e-mail communications dating back to December.

The responses by public officials in both cities showed those in Auburn use e-mail very little compared to the numerous e-conversations flowing in Lewiston.

Auburn Mayor John Jenkins forwarded no e-mails, saying he doesn't use e-mail to communicate with councilors or constituents, preferring face-to-face contact. Auburn Councilors Mike Farrell, Bob Hayes, Bruce Bickford, Bob Mennealy and Ron Potvin each sent along a handful of e-mails, while Dan Herrick and Ray Berube said they don't use e-mail, either. Laurie Smith, then-acting city manager, hand-delivered a packet of 54 printed e-mails.

Lewiston's Gilbert responded to the Sun Journal's request by forwarding 180 e-mails from his personal AOL account. City Adminstrator Jim Bennett gave the Sun Journal access to 800 of Gilbert's e-mails on his city account and another 1,500 e-mails to and from city councilors sorted from Bennett's own city account.

But Lewiston City Councilors Tom Peters, Nelson Peters, Larry Poulin, Theriault, Bailey, Elizabeth Dube and Reed all responded in kind, saying they habitually delete e-mails from their systems as soon as they've read them.

That doesn't cut it, according to the Maine Press Association's or the Maine Municipal Association's interpretation of Maine's access laws. E-mail is a public record if it's used in the transaction of public business by municipal officials. And, like all public correspondence, it needs to be retained according to rules set out by the Secretary of State and Maine State Archives for disposition of local government records.

Councilor Tom Peters said Wednesday that councilors do save the e-mails that matter, by forwarding them to the city administrator.

"We are bombarded with messages, and I get them from all over the place," Peters said. "I look at them, read them to see if they're of any value and delete them. If there is something of value, I forward them to Jim because we know he's keeping all of those e-mails."

E-mail is a conundrum for public officials. On one hand, it lets councilors share information far and wide and with ease. Complaints about a pothole on Main Street can be forwarded to the public works director - with copies sent to the city administrator, the mayor and council colleagues for good measure. It's done in a few keystrokes and there are numerous examples in the e-mails provided to the Sun Journal of councilors passing along constituent problems or asking questions of city staff.

But e-mail's ease of use can lead to misuse very easily. A question to city staff, copied among councilors, can set off a debate that's settled quickly. And that debate, sequestered safely behind computer firewalls, is never heard in public. Councilors can walk into their chambers with all their doubts settled, their questions answered and their minds made up long before a public hearing.

That's what's happened during a May 20 vote on parochial school busing, according to Mayor Gilbert. In previous meetings, councilors had said they planned to cut that $56,000 budget line.

"The very next meeting, when people show up to discuss it, they change their minds," Gilbert said. "Peters spoke up before there's any discussion, saying 'we're putting that money back in.' So I want to know, who made that decision and when? Did they discuss it outside of the meeting and if so, where and who made it? In opinion, that is not transparent government."

Often, Lewiston's numerous e-mail debates eschew Roberts Rules of Order in favor of the flame war format. In one exchange, over why money for a Kennedy Park pool house was cut, they sound more like combatants than colleagues.

"Of course, what does my opinion count, I was simply elected by some 5,000 Lewiston voters who expected me to vote on their behalf," Gilbert wrote to Peters in an April 21 exchange. "You, who were elected by some 360 voters, would want to muzzle me at any cost. Dream on, it will not happen no matter how hard you try. With my experiences throughout my career, I am certainly on to your game no matter how smooth you may try to portray yourself."

Gilbert copied that note to other councilors, and they replied. Councilor Reed turned the criticism back on Gilbert, in an e-mail later that morning:

"I have seen you support items that I can only guess were done so out of spite for some on us or to create a controversy where none existed," Reed wrote. "Lastly, as to Mr. Peters getting less votes than you, I haven't heard that logic since junior high....what a bush league, no class thing to come up with from someone who seems to think they are so righteous."

Gilbert responded:

"Everyone I have talked to has said that the Bob Reed they see today is not the Bob Reed they saw before the election who is now flexing his 'muscles of power.'"

Councilor Theriault wrapped up the exchange, echoing Reed and applauding Peters.

"There is no way I would have you speak for me. You are full of yourself. You wear your jealousy on your sleeve Mr. Mayor for all to see," he wrote to Gilbert. "If it's war you want with this Council, so be it!"

What the public doesn't get to see is elected officials struggling to define their roles. Mayor Larry Gilbert clashed regularly with members of his old council, accusing them of overstepping their bounds and intruding on his territory.

But Tom Peters, as council president, has narrowed the mayor's territory significantly. According to the 2008 Lewiston City Council, the mayor can no longer drive policy or even set council agendas. The tension can be sensed at council meetings, but the hostility in their e-mail is obvious.

Peters said it doesn't serve the city to make that information public. Councilors have since cut back on their e-mail use for that reason.

"I don't think disagreements, or trying to sort out who's doing what to whom or how we play our roles in accordance with the charter, should be laundered in public," Peters said. "We don't want to look like a dysfunctional council and mayor situation, because that's not real and we don't want to give people that impression."

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Posted By:Hymn at June 29, 2008 6:23 AM (Suggest Removal)
Shades of Rumford.

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Posted By:Homer at June 29, 2008 7:47 AM (Suggest Removal)
It is ABOUT time someone put restrains in place for King Larry. The job of mayor is a figure head position with a stipend for expenses.

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Posted By:gcl at June 29, 2008 8:17 AM (Suggest Removal)
Very unfortunate for the taxpayers of Lewiston, the type of power struggle that is going on in the city is staining it's immage. As far as keeping e-mails that have to do with city business or discussions between councilors and the mayor or staff are public records, T Peters as an attorney should be the first to know that, how much longer is this show going to go on, the charter describes the responsibility and position of Mayor in city affairs and the same for the council, grow up kids you are making a spectacle of yourselves and city goverment, if T. Peters wants to act as the mayor then he should run for office, can guarantee you he would not win. If all this e-mail is going on just imagine how many meetings and decisions are being made behind closed doors, this is going back to the days when policy and decisions was mad in smoked filled back rooms by a few individuals. If you don't believe me just look around this city, Lewiston lacks behind most of the other southern maine cities in wages, jobs, development Lewiston has the reputations of being the black sheep, much of this is due in large part to back room politics, and are we going back to that type of representation. Message to the Mayor and City Council, grow up start acting as the professional you are suppose to be and not as spoiled individuals, because of dislike for someone you are making fools of yourselves, and what is the matter with the other six councilors, you can take off your muzzles and talk for yourselves, or maybe you cannot because you have no minds of your own.

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Posted By:concerned at June 29, 2008 8:20 AM (Suggest Removal)
The Lewiston/Auburn need to work together with their officials both elected, appointed and hired. It seems both councils try to challenge everything management is trying to achieve. Which may be good at times, but it also tends to put a cog in the wheel for the little things. Somethings definitely need to be challenged, and this one may be one of those times. I just would rather like to see people working together for the common good, instead of disrupting the system for every little thing, slowing things up, for nothing more than showmanship.

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Posted By:Mainetarr at June 29, 2008 8:35 AM (Suggest Removal)
Go Bob Reed GO!!!!!! YOU should run for mayor next time. You are just the kind of logic that needs to be in politics.

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Posted By:Richard at June 29, 2008 9:12 AM (Suggest Removal)
Gilbert you big blow hard. Do us all a favor, remove your pompous self from all things public. We are tired of watching you parade around like Lord Baltimore with your nose in the air. Your recent election details what people think about you. Retire and move to Florida, PLEASE.

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Posted By:TED at June 29, 2008 9:31 AM (Suggest Removal)
electronic communication is still new territory- elected officials need to be made aware of how its use applies to the freedom of information act (and now, with help from the SJ, at least LA officials are now aware of it.) All city business should be conducted through city email, not personal email. The city of Auburn archives (keeps backup copies) of all emails sent through the city system.

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Posted By:1adam12 at June 29, 2008 9:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
TIME FOR IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!!! Throw him outa here.

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Posted By:concerned at June 29, 2008 9:48 AM (Suggest Removal)
City of Lewiston needs to follow suit.

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Posted By:Alan at June 29, 2008 10:11 AM (Suggest Removal)
Sounds like the council is more interested in their own "power" than that of what is good for Lewiston and the people therein. "Oops, I deleted it" is pure BS echoed (not-so) coincidently by a certain faction of the council. They reek.

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Posted By:ojhuig at June 29, 2008 10:50 AM (Suggest Removal)
This is getting ridiculous. Peters, you do NOT get to decide what emails are important. You keep ALL of them. The people of Lewiston need to know that the councilors are holding de facto meetings via email. They are doing council business in secret, and then Peters makes up this cockamamie story that he has permission to make snap decisions right there at the city council meeting.

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Posted By:ojhuig at June 29, 2008 10:52 AM (Suggest Removal)
And if Bob Reed is elected Mayor, I'm defecting. He can't follow Robert's Rules and he has to expound on every single topic. He's the blowhard and nobody will want to be a part of a city council that can't end their meetings before midnight.

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Posted By:Michael Dumas at June 29, 2008 11:06 AM (Suggest Removal)
Apparently it is FISHING season.

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Posted By:Kelly at June 29, 2008 11:09 AM (Suggest Removal)
Blame Larry all you want, he's not the one who broke the law. He kept his emails. Peters wants to be a judge and he can't even follow the law. Perhaps Gilbert clashes with councils because he opposed the blatant corruption of the last council and the clear law-breaking of this one. I think its very odd that every single councilor deleted their emails for the same reason. Almost like they were advised to do so.

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Posted By:Vance at June 29, 2008 11:19 AM (Suggest Removal)
There is no excuse these days. All private (non-city domains) email messages must end. All email should be archived that go through the city mail servers. These days this is pretty easy to do, so there is no excuse.

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Posted By:Chad at June 29, 2008 11:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
Kelly, were you paying attention to the last council? King Larry had a hard-on for Stavros Mendros and was part of the problem, not part of the solution. I, for one, am glad some people are willing to e-knock Larry Gilbert off his pedestal. His arrogance is exactly what keeps Larry for being a decent leader. As for this council versus the last council, there is no difference. Tina Bailey or Lillian O' Budweiser, Larry Poulin or Stavros Mendros. We have elected people who clearly have no business being involved with running a large city, making multi-million dollar decisions, or setting policy. As for the email issues, try copying and pasting emails to a Word Doc File before deleting.

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Posted By:Homer at June 29, 2008 11:43 AM (Suggest Removal)
Vance - you hit it square on the head. The only cost is an operating system :)

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Posted By:maggie at June 29, 2008 11:48 AM (Suggest Removal)
put the leash on him too!

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Posted By:rosalind at June 29, 2008 12:14 PM (Suggest Removal)
first of all seems like there are 2 councilers running the show. they seem like they have not much clue.when i came forward about kennedy park they all knew nothing but yet all voted against the park.i myself spoke to all councilers and only tina and gilbert knew of the issue.and the fixed the issue they left the kids a dirt pile and only funded very little to replace it.so now the kids have nothing but broken swings...they tell me ohh yeah ordered the equipment for the park wont see it for another two months then the city said they will put it in but they dont when that will happen ????/?/there selling a buildingfor 1 million which the city will see nothing in return ..ever just quenteeing the new owners already more money at least money does talk to the people and again he has no vote only in a tie it seems the two councilers are runnng the show

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Posted By:Not-So-Freshman Ryan at June 29, 2008 12:24 PM (Suggest Removal)
So next Sunday I expect we'll see all the emails (are lack thereof) from the finance committee, or the youth council, or maybe the trash committee. We could have enough Sunday sensational stories for an entire year if we take it one at a time!

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Posted By:TTL at June 29, 2008 1:30 PM (Suggest Removal)
It's interesting how all the councilors happened to delete their e-mails right after reading them except the mayor and Jim Bennett. You would think having N. Peters be in law enforcement so long would keep evidence like any good cop would do. And that email from Tina Bailey to the mayor... Did Tom Peters write it? Sure sounded like it, after all each councilor gave all there power to Tom to speak on behalf of all of them. Last time I checked there was 7 Wards, and 7 councilors elected. So why then did Tina Bailey and the rest of the council forward all there speaking (and deciding) power to Tom? Can any of them answer that? I know you post here Robert Reed can you answer that?

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Posted By:rosalind at June 29, 2008 1:41 PM (Suggest Removal)
oh yes just want to clear that tina bailey wqas great with finding about the childrens issue in the park just was not enough funding thankyou tina .......seems to me they all need to work together a team effort makes things happen maybe reed peters and the others need to grow up this isnt a soap opera

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Posted By:David Hughes at June 29, 2008 1:56 PM (Suggest Removal)
Michael, it may be fishing season but appearently they caught something. Given Meyer's position within the FOAA community it isn't a stretch that this was a legitimate look at FOAA compliance. I'm a little concerned that Auburn uses email so little. Plenty of trees being killed over there for no good reason.

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Posted By:Chad at June 29, 2008 3:52 PM (Suggest Removal)
Whitewolve...too funny that you crack on Robert, Tom, and the others, yet no mention of the Mayor himself. You blame the council (with some appreciation for Tina) for ignoring the Park, yet you ignore the fact that you personally emailed Col. Klink himself on this very matter. Your April 16th email to Gilbert was listed in the pile of emails turned over. Also, if you continue reading, Phil Nadeau clearly states half the funding was available at the time. When you are struggling financially, you DO NOT invest $50,000 into a playground.

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Posted By:Independent Voter at June 29, 2008 3:57 PM (Suggest Removal)
Strange bedfellows indeed: Larry Gilbert, Stavros Mendros and the Lewiston Sun-Journal.

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Posted By:Chad at June 29, 2008 4:01 PM (Suggest Removal)
From: Whitewolveagain@aol.com To: GilbertMayor@aol.com Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 3:02 pm Subject: hello mr mayor Im really sad for the american city award even though again the city will not a puplic playground for our toddlers.that is safe ...........i talked to you last year and the parks commisioner went there and said they were going to fix it on Monday that Monday has never came if this city didn't have so many child mollesters we may be able to bring our children to a school yard before 530 pm but this doesn't happen im sure your new office furniture was more useful i can see the board have no children to even care ......I hope you and the board just the prove  .if you have children do not live in lewiston .............................................................................this city si really sickning and i cant wait to more our children to a safer city

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Posted By:Michael Dumas at June 29, 2008 4:12 PM (Suggest Removal)
David, this was anything BUT a search for FOAA compliance. Meyers knows there is tension within the Council, and this was a way for her to exploit it. I thought FOAA requests were supposed to be of a specific nature, not "all emails since December". If that isn't a fishing expedition, I don't know what is.

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Posted By:Scott at June 29, 2008 4:16 PM (Suggest Removal)
A few concerns or comments from an embarrassed resident: 1. What is surprising to me (or sadly, maybe not so surprising) is the general hatred that seems to be going around. No one ever said you had to like each other, but you are expected to act professionally. Some of these emails are truly childish. 2. The act of councilors emailing each other on city topics could be more dangerous than closed door meetings, IF they are shaping their opinions and "teaming" up on votes before city council meetings. 3. Gotta love email... 5 years ago these conversations would have happened over the phone or in one-on-one meetings and there would have been no records..

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Posted By:Michael Dumas at June 29, 2008 4:17 PM (Suggest Removal)
This was a very clear attempt to go after and try to discredit certain councilors. The FOAA request for Auburn was simply to allow for plausible deniability.

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Posted By:Chad at June 29, 2008 4:28 PM (Suggest Removal)
Michael, you think this was brewing since March? I love Tom's e-mail reply to the Mayor.~~Sometimes we need to talk one on one and build a consensus that cannot be built in a public forum. There is nothing nontransparent about what was being done. Should you be elected to Augusta I trust you will be prepared to talk in the halls and perhaps negotiate small gains toward a larger goal and not be told these discussions are improper and must be done in public to assure transparent government

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Posted By:Independent Voter at June 29, 2008 4:39 PM (Suggest Removal)
Michael...FOAA requires the request be specific as to what you want. While I agree that this is nothing but a fishing expedition by the newspaper, they can fish at will. "All emails since December 1st of 2007" is specific and fishable.

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Posted By:Michael Dumas at June 29, 2008 4:39 PM (Suggest Removal)
Well Chad, as far as "something brewing since March", anyone at or watching the meetings could tell that there was tension between certain people, even before March. That was very very public. I mean, I sat there, I could tell, and I know Scott was there and could tell as well. I'm really not going to go into "what ifs" as far as Augusta or anything, but I will say that my duty is to my country, state, and city, and doing what is in the best interests and protecting them are paramount to me. If all we are concerned about is electing a bunch of blabber-mouths, we'll end up with people very similar to those who spread Colisee misinformation at the last meeting. Nothing will get done, no one will cooperate and compromise, and we'll open up the city to countless liabilities (a la slander and libel.)

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Posted By:Michael Dumas at June 29, 2008 4:47 PM (Suggest Removal)
I'm glad we agree, IV. Judy was just casting her line in the water and trolling. The last FOAA request I encountered was actually reasonably specific, but this one really irks me. If they wanted emails on the Colisee or the Park or something else, fine, say so. It was pretty obvious what she was looking for, she just didn't want to come out and say it. (Saying "I want some damaging emails from Councilors X, Y, and Z would probably sound pretty silly) lol.

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Posted By:Michael Dumas at June 29, 2008 4:57 PM (Suggest Removal)
Chad, back to your Augusta point, isn't that why each party has daily caucuses? :)

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Posted By:Scott at June 29, 2008 5:08 PM (Suggest Removal)
Falmouth's email policy that is talked about in the related article today seems brilliant, in light of what has happened in Lewiston. How is it that Falmouth was smart enough to get this policy in place before any problems, while Lewiston sits here with egg on its face...

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Posted By:Chad at June 29, 2008 5:42 PM (Suggest Removal)
Scott, maybe because the Town of Falmouth has always operated their town like it's an actual "For-Profit" business? Strong ethics managed by people with strong business backgrounds and with help from the Institute for Civic Leadership. Anyone with a slight clue about business knows that you archive emails because you never know when those emails might be needed to resolve a dispute (personal, legal, contractual, etc..).

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Posted By:Chad at June 29, 2008 5:52 PM (Suggest Removal)
Michael, that excerpt was from an email Tom Peters sent to Larry Gilbert. Sometimes, the best ideas come thru discussion outside the normal meetings. Imagine if people in Augusta were never allowed to discuss potential ideas at lunch, in the hallway, at home, by email, etc.

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Posted By:Kelly at June 29, 2008 6:03 PM (Suggest Removal)
IZV, not sure about Mendros in that bed. This paper has nothing good to say about him. But its not surprising to see Gilbert and Mendros on the same page against corruption in politics. From Rouseau's money grab to Bernier's no bid contract for the Colisee, and now this outright disregard for the law. And those answers almost seem coached...

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Posted By:Kelly at June 29, 2008 6:09 PM (Suggest Removal)
Chad, one Peters is a lawyer and the other is a deputy. They both knowingly broke the law to avoid this. You seem to be missing that point.

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Posted By:Michael Dumas at June 29, 2008 6:20 PM (Suggest Removal)
Chad, sorry, I missed that your March thing was an email quote. My bad. But anyone who has been there or watched religiously can tell you that tensions have been there since before March, and in fact, since before the budget process officially started. I've walked the halls of Augusta enough times to know that the only way people get work done is to talk to people and make suggestions. Obviously, the public needs to be allowed the opportunity to provide input, but at all levels, people should be involved long before-hand in talking to their representatives to voice their concerns, not wait until the last minute. That is why I rarely speak at meetings. I get the agenda when it comes out (or pay attention at the previous meeting and see if I should expect anything coming up at the next one) and voice my opinions well before-hand. Prime example, the sister city issue. I had huge reservations about it, but I spoke up far before it ever even got to the public presentation. I don't make my positions a secret, and neither should anyone else. If you have a concern, call the Council or the Mayor. Don't wait for the paper to tell you what is going on.

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Posted By:Chad at June 29, 2008 7:24 PM (Suggest Removal)
Kelly, go back and learn what FOIA covers in terms of information a requesting party can make. The attorney and deputy and a few others know the difference between general emails versus specific council related information. They in fact saved the one's that matter and often CC those emails to Jim Bennett. Hence, why they complied to an earlier FOIA request in March-April for any emails related to the Solid Waste Committee. The Sun-Journal wants to believe they are entitled to ALL emails sent between members of the City Council.

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Posted By:rosalind at June 29, 2008 8:30 PM (Suggest Removal)
yes chad i emailed everyone on the board about the park issue. and yes i talked to mr peters that same day. i also got responce back from tina bailey and also spoken to mayor gilbert. at least they responded and yes 50 thousand is a lot of money for those hundreds of children that use the playground all day.im sure those that voted against it dont do activities with there children so they dont care of childrens needs.......people look we spent 450 thousand on the maintance of a a empty mill building.we spent 365 thousand for the old rooming house on lisbon that was turned into a parking lot and build a parking garage on land that is owned by food city owner in lisbon falls .....then we spend hundreds of thousands on taking down the ritz bar on maple street nice emptylot we are going to give the new owners a quarenntee of 3 million dollar loan hmmmmm and oh year no money wont have to be paid back till 2013 and yes how conveinate that all councilers emails was all deleted im sure no one was on the hpone telling them to delete everything. and again atleast tina and the mayor answer there emails not just the ones in there favors or interest.i work 15 hour shifts and sometimes the only corrisponcdance is by email

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Posted By:rosalind at June 29, 2008 8:51 PM (Suggest Removal)
sorry about spelling just got out of work....... but we are so called an awarded all american city and cant even have a place for the younger children to play especially when they cant go to the school yards especially when there are close to 2 hundred sex offenders in this city..........so yes 50 thousand isnt much i do understand the only reason is that we had the money aside and the bathhouse was a bit of a very high proce to pay but the playground wasnt i wonder how much was spent on the office furniture in city hall ??????????or why not cut one of three people they have just cleaning the city hall that would save thousands.or when they had acs renting out the mill and was pretty much kicked out of the mill no oops not kicked out just had there parking doubled so tghe parking exspence was more then the rent they were paying and now many jobs to local people was lost due now that some people could not walk that far over the hill and now that call center is empty with no revenue

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Posted By:ojhuig at June 29, 2008 9:18 PM (Suggest Removal)
This is a great discussion. Don't back down, Kelly and Scott!

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Posted By:Kelly at June 30, 2008 1:43 AM (Suggest Removal)
Nice try chad but it doesn't jive with what they said. Council Chairman Thomas Peters: "As with the other council members I do not keep emails as I quickly discovered it seems like every agency in the world wants to send me something. At least they are not snail mailing the information which is saving our landfill. "If you need something further please let me know or if the paper would like something else I will certainly entertain their requests." Councilor Nelson Peters: Peters responded to the Sun Journal's request through Jim Bennett, who said, "Based on a verbal conversation today (May 28) with Nelson, he also informs me that he deleted his email after reading it." Fact is the knowingly broke the law.

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Posted By:BEN HARRISON at June 30, 2008 10:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
Well KKKElly as you have said Tom is in fact a Lawyer so I think he knows the law a little better than you. And knowing the difference between important official city e-mail and Hay Tom how you doing, see you tonight at the meeting the family says hi. Nelson And as he and the other councilors have stated they CC Bennett on anything official or important!!! This is a cheap ploy By Gilbert using the Sun Journal to try and show some of the bickering and infighting between him and the council to try and embarrass the council in my opinion that has backfired and he again looks the FOOL!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By:BEN HARRISON at June 30, 2008 10:52 AM (Suggest Removal)
Gilbert probable wants phone taps on all the councilors because as we all know everyone is out to get him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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