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Posted By:E at July 7, 2008 6:03 AM (Suggest Removal) Like it or not, Another shining example for manditory helmet laws.
We have seatbelt laws so why not protect our motorcyclists.
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Posted By:Normand at July 7, 2008 6:10 AM (Suggest Removal) Helmets have nothing to do with it "E". Its called watch out for the other guy!!!!!!
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Posted By:JIM at July 7, 2008 6:17 AM (Suggest Removal) People should know enough to wear a helmet and buckle their seat belt. Do we have to have a law about everything. Next the laws will tell you what day to have a crap or at what time.
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Posted By:Kim at July 7, 2008 6:19 AM (Suggest Removal) Where does it say they were not wearing helmets? Usually when no helmets were worn,it is always stated that the riders were not wearing helmets. When helmets are being worn, it is very seldom mention that the riders WERE WEARING HELMETS.
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Posted By:Joy at July 7, 2008 6:47 AM (Suggest Removal) Jim, your words are disgusting to read first thing in the morning. Who cares about crap and just because you might be feeling to have one, does not mean we have to read it.
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Posted By:steve at July 7, 2008 6:59 AM (Suggest Removal) It is true Joy. People are so quick to say "There ought to be a law" for (fill in the blank). There are a few of us still around who value what remaining freedoms and Constitutional rights we currently have and don't need "Big Brother" dictating what's best for us. There's so many people, especially nowadays, who would've fit right in under the old Soviet regime.....they for all intents and purposes did tell you when to crap.
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Posted By:mark at July 7, 2008 7:05 AM (Suggest Removal) This is an example of the lack of defensive driving skills on the road. When you approach a curve or hill like that, you should always assume there is something in the road and be prepared for it.
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Posted By:DJ at July 7, 2008 7:24 AM (Suggest Removal) Only those who have a brain to protect wear helmets.
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Posted By:Read it Right at July 7, 2008 7:37 AM (Suggest Removal) Here we go. Second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking when we have no idea what was fully involved. Let the police do their investigation before jumping to conclusions.
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Posted By:moose at July 7, 2008 7:38 AM (Suggest Removal) When i went to motorcycle safety class they told us if you cannot see through the corner to slow down. It is amazing that these responsible people would approach a corner and not slow down.
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Posted By:Ernest at July 7, 2008 7:41 AM (Suggest Removal) Why do bikers insist on riding in a pack? They are just waiting to have the "big one" that collects a bunch of riders. This is one example of there not being safety in numbers. And no we don't need a law against it, just common sense.
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Posted By:ski at July 7, 2008 7:56 AM (Suggest Removal) to all of you saying there ought to be a law....get a clue and stop blaming the riders...not one of you are blaming the idiot in the van stopping on a curve. classic case of blame the motorcyclist. I've seen people do a lot of stupid crap to bikers and it has nothing to do with helmet laws.
Ernst its safty in numbers the other drivers actually see a pack of bikes. Makes be wonder if you are one of the idiots that try to break up a pack of riders and cause accidents. Seen that very often too.
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Posted By:biker girl at July 7, 2008 8:04 AM (Suggest Removal) This is a sad situation made worse with comments of those who were not there and those who do not hold a motorcycle license. I am a veteran rider and know the hazards of the road and hazards of a large group, please for the sake of the families be kind. We all have opinions but if you have never walked a mile in these shoes then you have no right to judge.
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Posted By:mad at July 7, 2008 8:11 AM (Suggest Removal) If you are stopped with your turn signal on waiting to make a make a turn you are an idiot ?
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Posted By:Taxpaper at July 7, 2008 8:13 AM (Suggest Removal) Mad you should learn how to spell.
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Posted By:Loretta at July 7, 2008 8:20 AM (Suggest Removal) Ski...why would anyone blame the driver of the van? Was he making an illegal left hand turn? If this is a bad area...blame the State for the road construction. Any everyone else who has posted....Please let the police investigate this accident. My heavens what a bunch of rubbage first thing Monday morning.
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Posted By:friend of Lucilles at July 7, 2008 8:25 AM (Suggest Removal) First off, someone want to point out to me where they said they WERENT wearing helmets? I read this twice and saw that written NOWHERE. Watched the news and heard that NOWHERE. So those that are expressing their opinions about helmets are they currently just guessing?
Helmets protect in many ways, and restrict in many ways as well. It's a 50 50 thing just like seat belts. It depends on how you are hit when you are in a vehicle, and how you are hit or lay your bike down when you are on a motorcycle. Do you think a helmet is going to save someone's life if a car hits them broadside? It's not only head injuries that kill people in accidents. If an artery is severed, does wearing a helmet protect from that, does it protect from internal injuries? I've been on a bike since I was 18 and I'm well over that age now. I have ridden with a helmet and without. I have more issues with restricted vision and hearing with a helmet on then I do without one and half helmets are a joke when you dump your bike. You can call me stupid all you want, but I should have the right to choose to do what I want. I'm getting tired of my rights taken away. I could walk across the street and get hit by a car, should I be wearing a helmet just in case? I could fall down the stairs, should I be wearing a helmet? And whoever blamed the driver of the van, really come on..we all know the risks of riding when we get on our bikes. We take that risk. But we should be ABLE to without someone forcing a helmet law down our throats. The risk is OURS to take, the consequences are OURS to face should we get in an accident. We have to look out for the vehicles, we have to be able to see them from side drives, and to hear them because 9 times out of 10 they arent looking out for us. A helmet can sometimes reduce that vision and that hearing. Like I said, its a 50 50 thing, just like with seatbelts. Not everybody's life was saved by wearing a seatbelt, there have been a lot of cases where wearing a seatbelt has caused their death, how come THAT is never reported on? My cousin burned to death in his car because he couldn't get his seatbelt off. Funny the news didn't cover that, but the police report did. Yeah..stop forcing laws down our throats, we should have the right to choose.
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Posted By:JC at July 7, 2008 8:29 AM (Suggest Removal) Accidents happen, people, that's why they call them accidents. Suellen is right, we shouldn't be passing judgement on anyone without knowing all the facts. We don't need manditory helmet laws (OR manditory seat belt laws). Personally, I always wear a helmet and protective gear when I ride, but that is MY CHOICE. Jim and Rob are right. We don't need government dictating how we live our lives! There was a time in this country when people were free to live their life as they saw fit. What we do or don't do should be our own decision as long as we are not infringing on the liberty of our fellow citizens.
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Posted By:JC at July 7, 2008 8:50 AM (Suggest Removal) Well put Ginny.
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Posted By:Kimberly at July 7, 2008 8:58 AM (Suggest Removal) I think we've all forgot there was a life lost in this accident. I send my condolences to the family and all the people affected by this tradegy... Does it really matter at this point how it happened? I'm sure it doesn't to the family and people involved...
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Posted By:MikeD at July 7, 2008 8:59 AM (Suggest Removal) Good point Kim.
Always ready to jump to conclusions...
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Posted By:David P at July 7, 2008 9:13 AM (Suggest Removal) I also agree with Ginny. I have had my motorcycle license for 27 years and have always owned a bike.
Over the years I have learned that defensive riding and experience are the most important skills you can possess. I am always on the lookout for potential hazards.
Riding in a group poses even more
danger especially if the riders
have different levels of experience. I more often then not
ride alone for that very reason.
If you are in a car, PLEASE be
careful and aware of motorcyclists.
If you are a rider. ride safe.
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Posted By:CHRISTIE at July 7, 2008 9:47 AM (Suggest Removal) You know what? SH*T HAPPENS. Someone could have come around that corner in a car too fast and rear ended the guy or ran off the road to avoid. The fact that it's motorcycles now bring up helmets and error...my God, it could happen to ANYONE in ANY vehicle. Someone died here....and they have not released a name. Could be someone you know!. Don't be disrespectful either way and overly judgemental.
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Posted By:love to dive at July 7, 2008 9:53 AM (Suggest Removal) Mad...can't you read?!?!? T he wasn't just stopped in the middle of the road, he was waiting for taffic togo by so he could turn left!!! Last time I checked, that was a common thing to do! We ALL do it many times, to get from point A to point B. So are ALL of us idiots?!?!? Maybe you should read the article, again, if you can!!
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Posted By:Don at July 7, 2008 10:01 AM (Suggest Removal) Whether a law should be passed to require helmets is open to debate. I choose to wear a helmet. However, the argument that wearing a helmet restricts your vision and limits your hearing is just plain weak. Even with a helmet on, a simple head turn gives you at least least equal vision as you have when driving a car or truck. Assuming that you use your mirrors as well. As for limiting your hearing, any motorcycle with loud pipes limits your hearing more than any helmet ever could. Not wearing a helmet is a freedom of choice issue, it is certainly not an issue of whether you are safer with one. That answer is obvious.
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Posted By:ojhuig at July 7, 2008 10:04 AM (Suggest Removal) It looks like there was going to be an accident right there, whether it would have been cars or motorcycles. Someone was just trying to turn left. I'm sure nobody did anything illegal. We don't know that the deceased person hit her head. She could have had a chest injury. We just don't know.
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Posted By:biker girl at July 7, 2008 10:32 AM (Suggest Removal) Can anyone find where it is stated that they were or were not wearing helmets?
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Posted By:why at July 7, 2008 10:33 AM (Suggest Removal) how very sad that a nice ride turned out to end in such devastation. prayers for all those involved..helmets should be a choice not a law i feel the same with seatbelts. i do not ride a motorcycle just my opinion.. i agree that wearing a helmet will save lives but still should be a choice... for those who said nothing was said about whether or n ot thye were wearing helmets, my belief is a seriouse head trauma would not have happened if a helmet was worn.....that persons choice not ours to judge...
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Posted By:biker girl at July 7, 2008 10:53 AM (Suggest Removal) Serious head trauma can still happen if you are wearing a helmet.
The neck can snap when the helmet is removed, head trauma still happens do to impact, the helmet is only good for protection at 45 mph or less, read the specs on the helmet boxes and I am talking about the D.O.T. approved helemts.
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Posted By:gil at July 7, 2008 10:55 AM (Suggest Removal) My God People, a person died and all you can do is jump to conclusions and argue. Grow up!
My thoughts and prayers to the family and all that was involved.
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Posted By:JOSEPHINE at July 7, 2008 11:25 AM (Suggest Removal) why not require automobile drivers and passengers to wear helmets and maybe those bull riding vests? I'm sure the injury rate would decline!!!
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Posted By:mom at July 7, 2008 12:34 PM (Suggest Removal) Ginny well said. Gil I'm with you. Someone died and several others were injured. Instead of calling the people involved names. Say a prayer for the injured and the the womens who died's family. A prayer would get more results for these people than calling them names will.
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Posted By:E at July 7, 2008 12:45 PM (Suggest Removal) The statistics released by the american motorcycle assn. show that in states that have enacted helmet laws the death rate went down and has stayed down. All the whining about why not to wear one is pure B.S. You all have been min-informed. It is a shame that poor woman is dead but had she been wearing a helmet she might be here today for love ones.
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Posted By:Jan at July 7, 2008 1:13 PM (Suggest Removal) The issue here is the tragic nature of this event. It is so easy for all of us to forget that an accident can change your life in a split second, and the lives of those around the person involved in the accident. We must never forget this. Not one of the lives of all the people involved in this tragic accident will ever be the same. My heart goes out to each rider in this group, and especially to the injured riders and family of the rider who died in the accident. Today is a very sad day for them, and I offer my sincere sympathy.
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Posted By:Bruce at July 7, 2008 1:28 PM (Suggest Removal) "We all have opinions but if you have never walked a mile in these shoes then you have no right to judge".
Dumb statement Biker Girl
Judges do it all the time.
Riding in groups is not a smart thing to do without spacing out single file like cars do. But I guess that would take all the "fun" out of riding. My guess is they would not all have had to dump their bikes if they used spacing as recommended for cars. Remember the 2 second rule in driver's ed?
Drive defensivly .
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Posted By:biker girl at July 7, 2008 1:43 PM (Suggest Removal) Bruce you missed the point, judges in a court of law have evidence and proof, none of these people even know exactly what has happened and how things went down because it is still under investigation. Obviously you don't hold a motorcycle license because you would know that even if they where spaced out, when a bike is brought down it can spin and fly in any direction and there is no control at any speed.
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Posted By:Loretta at July 7, 2008 2:32 PM (Suggest Removal) Ginny....no one wants to be told what to do. It is certainly your right to ride with or without a helmut. Your arguments about vision and hearing impairments with a helmut are a joke. There have been PLENTY of studies addressing both those issues. Every single study proved that helmuts do not limit hearing or vision. The argument is OLD and WEAK. However...and this is a big however. If you chose to ride WITHOUT your helmut and you have a serious head injury (and that is the only injury helmuts are meant to prevent), do you have enough money to pay for your hospital care, rehabilitation, and continued care for the rest of your life? Because if you do not...why should the taxpayers and insurance premium payers have to support you for a decision you made. I feel the same way about seatbelts, so please don't think I'm just zeroing in on motorcycle riders. I'm not. I came of age in the 60's, I'm all for freedom of choice. I grew up riding in cars with no seatbelts, not wearing bicycle helmuts, drinking from the garden hose, etc. I survived. But we are smarter now, we know what can save lives. If you want the freedom to chose, then expect that I want the freedom to refuse to help pay for your continued therapy.
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Posted By:Ann at July 7, 2008 3:55 PM (Suggest Removal) Just an FYI - names have been released and a statement saying they were not wearing helmets on WGME
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Posted By:kellie at July 7, 2008 5:07 PM (Suggest Removal) i agree, i work with the woman that lost her daughter in this, i think we r all reading the same article and people are jumping to a lot of conclusions, so please lose the word idiot and what ever else, no matter what comes out, it was an accident, a horrible one at that..how would you feel if if were your daughter, do u want people making ignorant comments with out having all the fact and even after that? nothing wronf with asking questions
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Posted By:Tom at July 7, 2008 5:36 PM (Suggest Removal) The wife of a Gray firefighter has been identified as the victim of a Sunday afternoon crash involving eight motorcyclists.
Rochelle Plummer, 43, of Gray, was killed when the motorcyclists tried to avoid striking a van that had stopped to make a left turn off Route 114. She was not wearing a helmet, authorities said.
Cumberland County Sheriff Mark Dion said seven of the eight motorcycles skidded to avoid hitting the van. Plummer's motorcycle went off the road.
Joseph Kashinsky, 56, of Falmouth, another biker, was taken to Maine Medical Center, where his injuries were being evaluated on today. He also was not wearing a helmet.
Plummer is the wife of Gray Fire Department Capt. William Plummer, 61, who also was riding with the group. He suffered abrasions, but did not need to be hospitalized.
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Posted By:Tim at July 7, 2008 6:03 PM (Suggest Removal) It's too bad a life was lost in the accident, my condolences go out to the family.
It amazes me so many ppl seem to try and find the "wrong" and then try to justify it so quickly. It is possible this was an accident, and if you were not there to see what acually happened, how do you seem to know what did happen?
As for your stats "E", if you care to look a little further, in Maine (the state we live in) 62% of motorcycle fatalities were riders wearing helmets. As a rider for many years, I believe it should always be the riders choice to were a helmet or not.
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Posted By:me at July 7, 2008 11:31 PM (Suggest Removal) I am not good at this, i wanted to say to Pat and the rest of the family that my thoughts and prayers go out to all of them with the loss of Rochelle. Rochelle was a very nice person.
(Kellie if you are reading this and you work with pat. please tell her about my post incase she doesnt get online to read this, and that if she needs anything to call me. she has my numbers to reach me at.. THANKS)
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Posted By:Premeditated at July 8, 2008 9:32 AM (Suggest Removal) Well, now we all know that they weren't wearing helments. I am guessing that all of the bikers that were defending theIr rights won't be quite as outspoken today.
Tim, you are quick to point out what you perceive as a flaw in "E's" stats, but you don't criticize the guy that repeatedly said that "it's 50/50 whether or not your helmet will help you." Please be more a little less subjective with your criticism.
I am wondering to myself if all of the people that said, "Where does it say they were not wearing helmets?" will come back today and admit that a helmet might possibly have saved a life. The person that has been hospitalized is injured with, you guessed it, a MAJOR HEAD INJURY!!!!!!!!
Biker Girl,your arguments are typical of a biker in denial. To say that spacing isn't an issue cuz
"even if they where spaced out, when a bike is brought down it can spin and fly in any direction and there is no control at any speed" is just a really weak argument. And an earlier commenter is spot on. Why should non riding or helmet wearing bikers pay for hospital stays and therapy for someone who wasn't wearing a helmet, but also can't afford to pay themselves. Hell, who could afford those kinds of bills?
It is a sad and tragic event. I give my condolences to the families involved, and hopefully this will make one or two bikers decide to put on their helment the next time they head out on the road.
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