Sabattus voters reject school budget again
Mark LaFlamme
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Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 23, 2008
SABATTUS - Less than a week after the School Committee proposed a $6.13 million budget, voters at a town referendum Tuesday rejected the measure.
When votes were tallied Tuesday night, 234 opposed the budget; 186 voted for it.
The vote failed to bring to a close an issue that has caused a rift between the parents of schoolchildren and senior citizens who insist they will suffer for the higher budget.
"I'll be 83 years old next week," said Sabattus resident Bill Larkin. "I think it's about time I get a reduction in school taxes."
For others, specifically parents of schoolchildren, the vote was a blow to planned efforts to improve classroom conditions.
"It's the will of the people," said Will Fessenden, a parent of two children. "But I'm disappointed because my priority is looking out for the future of my children. That's my responsibility."
Some Sabattus residents have complained that school spending is already extravagant, with too many fringes for students, and salaries for educators that are too generous. Asking all residents to take a financial hit to support the schools is too much, some say.
"I'm willing to pay my share," Larkin said. "But why, when you're in your 80s, should you be asked to pay a full share?"
A majority voted no on June 10 because the budget was too high. Numbers were reworked and presented last week. Supporters thought it might be enough to convince people to vote in favor.
"It was a good compromise," Fessenden said. "It wasn't what everyone necessarily wanted, but I thought it split the difference fairly."
The budget is higher than last year, but the amount to come from local taxes is down by $296,000. That's because Sabattus received more state funding and has a surplus. Property tax bills are expected to go down by between 1 and 1.5 mills, which translates to between $1 and $1.50 per $1,000 of assessed value. Now town leaders will have to start again. According to Town Clerk Suzanne Adams, a special town meeting will be scheduled and a new budget will be worked out.
In other words, back to the first step.
"We're starting all over," Adams said.
At least temporarily, the vote was a victory for older people who feared the new budget would take a bite out of their already shaky finances. Larkin, for instance, said he was working a part-time job just to pay his property taxes. The school budget, as proposed, would have set him back, he said.
"For us senior citizens, it would be like a pay cut," Larkin said. "We can't afford a pay cut."
Fessenden, who was disappointed with the vote, said he nonetheless understands the fears of people who opposed it.
"I have deep respect for the older folks in town," he said. "I understand what they are up against. It's a difficult time for everyone." |
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Posted By:1234 at July 23, 2008 6:40 AM (Suggest Removal) I am a Sabattus citizen and I am SO disappointed. Only 420 people voted. I also went to the School Budget meeting last weekend and I counted less than 70 people there. Give me a break. I know that I personally reminded everyone I knew to make sure they voted.
Also, it would be nice for people to know that Mr. Larkin, who complains that he has to work a part time job to pay his taxes, only lives in Sabattus during the summer. He spends the rest of the year in Florida. He's got a lot of nerve.
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Posted By:RAYNOLD at July 23, 2008 8:33 AM (Suggest Removal) Mr Larkin has paid his dues and has earned the right to spend time in Florida. He also has the right to vote NO. Goes to show you that only 70 people cared enough to attend the School Budget meeting. As for only 420 people voted, I guess the majority have spoken. Just redo the math.
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Posted By:Just a thought at July 23, 2008 9:05 AM (Suggest Removal) Well...how much are they paying the "psycologist and the occupational therapist" that they use for kids entering kindergarten????? I'm sure they get a pretty hefty salary!! Trust me, if my child needed an occupational therapist or a psycologist, I definitely would bring him to one that his pediatrician would recommend, not to the Sabattus school system!!
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Posted By:K at July 23, 2008 9:11 AM (Suggest Removal) I think the reason so few people attended is because they have jobs and lives. Most people don't make a living picking the pocket of the taxpayer so they tend to be too busy to sit through those long whiney meetings overloaded by wagon riders.
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Posted By:cs at July 23, 2008 9:41 AM (Suggest Removal) Hey Raynold, who do you suppose payed for Mr. Larkin to attend school? Someone else did, and I pay my dues for him to spend time in Florida. Its called social security!! I pay that every week out of my pay check. I'm 30 years old do you think I will get any of that!! Nope. It is a cycle you can't expect to drop out of it when you reach a certain age or because you don't have children in school anymore!!
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Posted By:K at July 23, 2008 10:04 AM (Suggest Removal) The school committee should be ashamed of the signs they put on route 9 yesterday. If I had kids attending that school, I may want to think twice about where and how they want to spend other tax payers money...
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Posted By:cs at July 23, 2008 10:09 AM (Suggest Removal) I don't think those were the school board's signs, I think those were the man's pictured in this article. Real nice, huh.
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Posted By:K at July 23, 2008 10:27 AM (Suggest Removal) Very immature. I can see both sides. The elderly are having a very hard time because the only income they get is SS. That doesn't go very far. I feel for them. There needs to be a compromise here. Someday the committee will be the elderly fighting/struggling to make ends meet...
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Posted By:Justin at July 23, 2008 11:11 AM (Suggest Removal) You know, this is getting ridiculous. Taxes in Sabattus are pretty low to begin with and this budget represented a DECREASE. Mr Larkin's taxes would have gone DOWN by 8-10 percent. Now, I agree, there need to be some cuts in the school budget however, as was very evident at the budget meeting, the areas where cuts need to be made already have signed contracts and so any cuts made in those areas will come from someplace else. I really do not see why people are too stupid to understand this however, it is obvious that they are. To those who think they should pay less taxes because they're old and have paid their dues, the system does not work that way. If you cannot afford to be retired, then I guess you get to keep working. If social security was your only plan for retirement then you did not plan very well. You should be glad that you get social security at all, most of us who are paying into the system now will not see one penny of what we contribute because it is being paid out to you right now (6.5% from me and another 6.5% from my employer...that's a 13% tax on me so that you retired folk can actually get a check every month, a benefit I will not have). I pay into medicaid, my taxes are used to fund LIHEAP and many other programs that I do not use, yet I still pay into them (and I understand that they are needed so I try not to complain too much about it). You need a new argument Mr Larkin, this one is getting old. Once this budget comes back with cuts, it cannot be raised at the budget meeting (I am not quite sure how that legal, in fact, I plan on questioning just that) so we have no choice but to pass it at the budget meeting. Then we need to vote it down because I guarantee the cuts will be made in places that are unacceptable. I also find it funny how the only thing in the town's budget that gets attacked is the school budget. Nothing else gets questioned (except the fire department this year but that was due to infighting). And shame on every parent out there who did not vote. It is your apathy and laziness that has gotten us to this point. My children are my FIRST priority, sitting through these meetings is not something that I really want to do but it is something that I do because I care. Same reason why I make sure that I go vote. Those of us who work need to remember that the retireed have nothing better to do than go vote to protect their interests. And one last question. Since this budget actually reduced taxes, how much of a reduction is enough? How much exactly are you trying to cut? You had a chance at the budget meetings (both of them) and did nothing but propose random arbitrary numbers, maybe you should discuss it with the school board BEFORE it gets to the budget meeting (I know I will).
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Posted By:Justin at July 23, 2008 12:19 PM (Suggest Removal) And, once again, the Sun Journal speculates that the No vote on June 10th was because it was too high. 264 no votes, 261 yes votes. 261 too high votes, 28 too low votes (the sun journal claims to know that the 261 too high votes all fell on no vote ballots yet even the town clerk does not know because no one asked her to look at them...of course, the Sun Journal should know this since they had a journalist at the last budget meeting where the question was asked).. Question is, how many of the 'YES' votes would have voted too low? Stop speculating and REPORT THE NEWS without including your opinion in the story. I agree that chances are that was the reason however, you are simply guessing because the numbers do not allow for a positive conclusion. You slant the article toward the side of the retired because they are the only ones who actually pay for your garbage.
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Posted By:K at July 23, 2008 12:20 PM (Suggest Removal) Consider the cost of living has increased significantly and SS has not.
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Posted By:cs at July 23, 2008 12:59 PM (Suggest Removal) well, maybe they should argue that one and leave the kids alone!! Besides it has been said several times, the tax payers portion of the budget will go down!!
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Posted By:BC at July 23, 2008 1:33 PM (Suggest Removal) This has nothing to do with the education of our kids. NOBODY wants to deny children a better than good education. It all has to do with allocation of scarce resources and the lack of attention to the needs of all citizens. To tell residents to move if they don't like the tax rate is the height of hubris. To tell dissenters they are ignorant and uncaring is insulting to the intelligence of all concerned.
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Posted By:1234 at July 23, 2008 1:36 PM (Suggest Removal) I would like to offer that all of the people who continue to gripe about the budget, get off their lazy butts and join the budget committee. If you want a say in what is happening, then get INVOLVED! Until then, shut up and deal with it. jv had a lot of good points. People need to pay attention to the fact that the proposed budget would actually DECREASE the amount the taxpayers will be paying!! What more do you want?
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Posted By:BC at July 23, 2008 1:44 PM (Suggest Removal) The town did deal with it. They voted it down. FYI, it is my understanding that as of this time the Sabattus School Budget Workshop is scheduled for Tuesday, July 29th at 7:00 pm at the Central School. Hope to see you all there. Hopefully we can all listen to each other respectfully and come up with a budget that we can ALL live with.
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Posted By:Justin at July 23, 2008 1:50 PM (Suggest Removal) K, I understand that the cost of living has increased. Historically, it does that, you know it is going to go up, plan accordingly..SG, again, TAXES ARE GOING DOWN, they could have asked for a larger budget than they did and maintained the local portion of funding at the level it was last year, instead, they chose to go with a lower number that lowered taxes. Is that not considering the taxpayers at least a little bit? Those who dont like this budget would not be happy no matter how low it had started, they would want more cuts. That is why I ask, how much is enough? answer that and we can talk. the school board is being asked to hit a target blind. If they cut too much, it will fail because they cut too much, cut too little and it will fail because they failed to cut enough. The administration seems to be the sticking point. As it was mentioned at both meetings, the superintendants budget was set in december and if that is cut, the money will have to come from elsewhere. I dont know why you think the school board would protect the superintendants office budget if they could change it and make everyone's life easier. They cannot, contracts have been signed. If you dont understand that by now, I dont know what else to say. cs: I agree, maybe they need to bump up social security, it will just bankrupt the system faster, no problem for me, it wont exist by the time I am old enough to collect anyway. By the way, when they bump those social security payments up, maybe they should offer me a 10% decrease in the rate that I pay (I mean, that is what is happening with the proprety taxes). No? didnt think so.
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Posted By:j at July 23, 2008 2:01 PM (Suggest Removal) It is illegal for anyone to influence voters within 250 feet of the entrance to a polling place. Yet an elderly man was allowed to stay in front of the town office all day long, even walking up to people in their cars telling them to vote no. I'm sure he frightened some people away. Then he was featured in the newspaper as some type of hero.
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Posted By:Justin at July 23, 2008 2:02 PM (Suggest Removal) BC, I will be there. I assume that this is with the school board as a new town budget meeting has to be at least 10 days after the referendum.
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Posted By:K at July 23, 2008 2:10 PM (Suggest Removal) I don't think anyone could have planned for the price of gas and oil to increase as fast as they did over the past year. I myself was in need of taping in to other resources. I do understand both sides. The school needs to be heated too, I also understand that taxes would decrease as well, it just seems like you have harsh feelings toward the elderly trying to survive.
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Posted By:jv at July 23, 2008 4:12 PM (Suggest Removal) No harsh feelings, I understand that people are trying to survive however, there are programs to help them with their heating and other things, they just need to apply, meanwhile, they want to cut the school to no end and that's something we cannot get back. If there was someone at the polling place trying to influence people, that should invalidate the results.
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Posted By:jv at July 23, 2008 4:18 PM (Suggest Removal) (682) Title 21-A Chapter 9, subchapter 2, Article 4, the state election rules prohibit attempting to influence voters within 250 ft of the entrance to a polling place AND paragraph 3 prohibits advertising materials within the same distance. THESE RESULTS ARE INVALID AND NEED TO BE THROWN OUT.
http://janus.state.me.us/legis/statutes/21-a/title21-Asec682.html
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Posted By:1234 at July 23, 2008 4:24 PM (Suggest Removal) The man in the photo was also at the town meeting on the 16th (Mr. Webber I think). He was quite vocal and rather obnoxious. He even attacked Mr. Gayton's integrity by throwing around false accusations.
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Posted By:jv at July 23, 2008 5:03 PM (Suggest Removal) To those of you who want a lower budget: Why is it that you cannot be bothered to attend the budget meetings and vote in the budget that you want? That way, you get EXACTLY what you want instead of making the school board try to guess at what the right amount of cuts might be. If you showed up with the numbers that you vote at the referendum, you would get your way. I suspect this will not be the last time we go through this.
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Posted By:d at July 23, 2008 5:42 PM (Suggest Removal) Once again, the Town of Sabattus, has earned its reputation of being non-supportive of education. As a resident of Sabattus I have defended it in the past. No more. When the local cost of education is DOWN nearly $300,000 and the mill rate is to drop between 1 and 1.5 mills, and the taxpayers still vote against the budget, what other interpretation is there to conclude from this? I would bet that the vast majority of those who voted against the budget have no idea that it would have in fact decreased their taxes. They did not take the time to educate themselves as to what was in the budget. They just voted no. The school committee worked very hard to put forth a reasonable budget. The parents should be ashamed of themselves for not taking the time to support their children by going out to vote. Mr. Webber should be ashamed of himself for posting those despicable signs. At no time did any school committee member state that the senior citizens should move or to stick it. Those are Mr. Webber's words to intentionally upset the senior citizens and scaring them into voting against the budget. It worked.
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Posted By:Kathy at July 23, 2008 7:03 PM (Suggest Removal) Did any of you ever think that the people of Sabattus voted the budget down, not because it would bring down their taxes, but because enough is enough? Are you going to ask for 8 million next year? When is it too much? Apparently this is the year when it's too much. As for cs, I would be willing to bet that Mr. Larkin's education was funded by his parents, not the taxpayer. And even if it was the taxpayers money how much do you honestly think it cost them to run a one room school house. And as far as for him spending the winters in Florida, it's probably cheaper than heating his home here in Maine.
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Posted By:cs at July 24, 2008 8:35 AM (Suggest Removal) Kathy, I completely understand that it may have been a one room school house,and it may not have cost a lot to run. Times have changed though,right? These kids need to learn way more to keep up! My point is that it is a cycle. In another article about this he had said something about not paying taxes for the school if you don't have children. That is crazy that's why I said something about social secrurity, I pay that and not going to see any of it when I'm older. Its an example. I pay social secruity to the people in need. We need to take care of our children, and we need to take care of the elderly. I see where these people are coming from, however I believe it's very important to give these kids a good education!! And as far as Florida, yes its probably cheaper there if you have someone to stay with while you are there. I wouldn't think so if it's like a second home!!
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