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Town again rejects budget

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Thursday, July 24, 2008

MONMOUTH - For the third time in less than a month, voters on Wednesday rejected a proposed school budget.

According to the referendum results, even fewer people than before were willing to accept the tax increase that would come with the $7.62 million budget. The vote was 286 in favor and 421 opposed. Previous votes were much closer.

For some, Wednesday's vote was the final blow.

"We're not going to stay here. We'll move to a town where schools are supported," said Jeff Musich, the father of two school-age children. "It's a simple thing for me. It's a town going after the schools and after the kids and that's a big deal. We're not going to keep our kids here."

Like other small Maine towns, the matter of the Monmouth school budget has resulted in disagreements among residents. On one side are parents with school-age children who are dedicated to improvements in the classrooms. On the other are senior citizens who feel they should not be forced to pay more since they are already on fixed incomes and no longer have children attending the schools.

The proposed $7.62 million school budget is up 6.9 percent over last year's spending. The overall impact on property taxes would be a 2.7 percent increase. It is the same amount that was defeated June 30 and July 14.

Some say any increase is too much.

"I think they should have reduced it to no tax increase," said former selectman and school board member Steve Kolenda. "That probably would have passed."

Instead, town leaders will have to get together again and propose another school budget. Whether the figures will be reworked so that there is no tax increase remains to be seen.

"After three no votes, I think the voters are very clear as to what kind of taxation they want," Kolenda said. "The question is whether our elected officials will respect the will of the people."

The matter of the school budget has been the hot-button issue in Monmouth since the process got under way, according to town officials. Some people, mostly older folks, have said they will move away if their taxes are increased.

Others, like Musich, doubt that any resident would leave as a result of higher taxes that might amount to $30 or $40 a year. On the other hand, parents who want their children in schools supported by the town may very well bail out.

"We're fed up," Musich said. "We moved here for the school. The economy has people scared and they are going after the schools. It's absurd."

It was not clear Wednesday night when town officials would meet again to address the budget.

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 5:42 AM (Suggest Removal)
How much does the football team cost? Cut it.

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Posted By:Hymn at July 24, 2008 6:23 AM (Suggest Removal)
Exactly!! Times are tough.. Dump Sports and Arts.

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Posted By:R at July 24, 2008 6:39 AM (Suggest Removal)
The school does not support the football team...parent fundraising does. I think it is very shortsighted to think that it's senior citizens against parents of school aged children, as Mr. Musich states. People do not want their taxes raised for any reason and if the school board had understood that 2 votes ago, there would now be a passed budget. Mr. Musich, maybe your wife would pass up her $2000.00 raise to support the school children? I didn't think so.

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Posted By:Susan at July 24, 2008 7:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
To the school board and the selectpeople: Can you hear us now?? I have lived in Monmouth for nearly 30 years. I'm not on a fixed income, go to work every day and I am not elderly, however, I too have a problem with an increase in our taxes. I agree, the PD has sucked out enough already, just so they can stop any vehicle they see go through town for no really good reason.. but the schools have had their increase in their budget for many years and the teachers are paid extremely well and probably have better benefits than any of us could possibly ever get. Enough already.. let's get with the program and start looking out for the best interest of ALL of the taxpayers. As for Jeff Musich...see ya!!

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Posted By:Pokeyman at July 24, 2008 7:25 AM (Suggest Removal)
Plain and simple. Mainers are overtaxed. I applaud the folks in Monmoth who stood their ground and said enough is enough. We all need to take a stand. Taxes are killing this state.

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Posted By:wake up at July 24, 2008 7:42 AM (Suggest Removal)
When the Police Dept almost got the boot a couple years ago, I figured, the people of the town are thinking on their feet, now. All the town has done every year is increase the funds. As soon as it passed to keep the cops, (with scare tactics, of course), they slid in an increase on town residents of $76,000 on top of the $300,000+ already wasted as we watch cops hide under willow trees shooting radar. Just a few weeks ago at the polls, the residents were forced to vote on giving $36,000 for retirement pensions to cops. The thing is they lumped it in with funding for Public Works, Fire & Rescue, etc. Now THERE'S a good place for the line item veto. So it passed. I tell you the truth, nothing kills the feel of this beautiful small town like driving in town to see cops cars everywhere lined up across the street from the General store. Especially the brand new $40,000+ 4-wheel drive drive stocked to the teeth with extras. The police chief is formerly of Brunswick and he brought that mentality to Monmouth "to really straighten shit out around here" in this big bad town of Monmouth. LOOK AROUND....Are there municipal cops in LEEDS? LITCHFIELD? TURNER? WALES? GREENE? NO. The residents should have passed the vote to hire out sheriff's from Kennebec county. Now we are stuck with overzealous patrol boys who come to Monmouth to learn to be policemen as though the whole town is a police exercise ground to practice their new training. And to Musich, usually when people don't like where they live they move. I know people are leaving Monmouth because of high taxes - it has already started, but, apparently, you would be leaving because town people are sending the message NO MORE TAXES.

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Posted By:ROCKO at July 24, 2008 7:49 AM (Suggest Removal)
First off Mrs Musich deserves every penny she makes! If all teachers were like her maybe the whole world would be a better place,second why is ityou want to bring her(and all the fine teachers at Mionmouth) down ??Instead why not aspire on your own job for a better pay with benifits,I personally would not want their job especially if it meant caring for your childern five days a week !!!! Both Jeff and his wife give more back than they take lighten up! As for this mess we need to work together Old and young come together like good neighbors in time of crisis and figure this thing out with the least amount of impact to all citizens of our wonderful town! It is my opinion that the School Board isnt doing their job and are not listening to the voting tax payers(how many taxpayers intown?how many showed up ??)ok instead of cutting needed programs lets fine other ways to save the money energy issues should be looked at maybe lighting bills could be cut??? grounds up keep cut back less trips away for sporting events,input from our wonderful alumnus, Iguess what Im saying is we the people of Monmouth have a wonderful Gem in our School System that is turning out GREAT citizens for our community lets preserve this !!

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Posted By:D and I have children at July 24, 2008 8:00 AM (Suggest Removal)
The statement being made that it is retired with no children against parents with school age children is incorrect. I have school age children and I am not for the increase. As for me it is a matter of the shell game that the school board and superintendant have played with the budget: the school board was asked how much money was remaining in the 2007-2008 acct and no answer was ever given. Well let's try to figure that out. What really was remaining? Over $200,000 was paid for oil, expenses, etc.; $30,000 was carried over for 2008-2009 budget; $123,000 was received for Medicaid (which with a little research via our Congress women would have been anticipated again).... Well on those rough calculations that adds up to close to $400,000. So for the School Board to say they have cut the original budget from the original figure is a matter of calculations I guess, when you have around $400,000 left you can say you have cut $400,000. I again ask in a School Budget of $7.6 million - cutting $100,000 will not have a giant impact at the end of the year. The proposed budget reduction from Steve Kolenda at the last meeting looks pretty good at this point.

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Posted By:K at July 24, 2008 8:06 AM (Suggest Removal)
Joe & Hymn, thats just nuts. You don't have kids do you?

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Posted By:Jen at July 24, 2008 8:17 AM (Suggest Removal)
Sorry - the school system is NOT that great. I grew up there and other family members (still) have kids there. SUCK IT UP and pay your taxes. The rest of us have to! Good luck selling your homes!!!!!!!

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 8:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
I do actually, 5 kids. Does it make sense to have a football team in such a small community where two fall sports (very successful) already exist? i could see it if their was nothing to do in the fall, but their are already 2 sports available to kids, now throw in a football program that costs MEGABUCKS to operate every year (over 40,000$) and that is not very cost effective. So all of that money is raised evry year? Your telling me that bot one penny fot football came from taxpayers? I hardly believe that. Monmouth already has 2 (soccer and X country) available for kids AND they are resonably priced, why did football come into the picture with at a very high cost? whats the per player expenditure compared to the other 2 sports? Im all for sports, but in a small community such as Monmouth, does it make sense to have a football program that costs 3 times as more per player as the other two I have mentioned? I say no it doesnt.

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Posted By:moose at July 24, 2008 8:27 AM (Suggest Removal)
I say let the people sell their house and leave. Go now . I am glad to see this happen and I will be glad when more towns do the same. The school budgets are all out of control. They have had an open checkbook for so long. It has to stop. Bravo for the voters of Monmouth.

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Posted By:K at July 24, 2008 8:29 AM (Suggest Removal)
The school system not being that great may be the reason for the tax increase. What else does the little town of Monmouth have. It's the communities fault if the school isn't great. It's pathetic to take away from the kids. TWO whole sports to chose from wow, what an opportunity for your kids. Maybe all the sports should be cut and kids can start roaming the streets causing trouble, it could become like the infamous L/A area. Get Real!!

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Posted By:justin at July 24, 2008 8:39 AM (Suggest Removal)
I applaud the tax payers in Monmouth! Our school systems are top heavy with administration and useless positions. In my town the school education system is so bad I send my children to private school and get no help from the state. Myself like the tax payers in Monmouth are tired of paying for what in my opinion is a broken water pipe that is the Maine education system. The think about how many superintendents there are in Maine pulling 200,000 dollar or more salaries! To do what? Nothing! They need to be cut and the money put back to teachers!

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Posted By:JC at July 24, 2008 8:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
This is not a situation of US against THEM, Jeff. You can't honestly believe that just because the taxpayers voted the budget down, we do not value the schools or the children. What we are saying is, enough is enough. We cannot, as a community, continue to spend spend spend like there is no tomorrow and expect the taxpayers to foot the bill. How much did that new fire truck cost? And that new police 4x4? Why are we paving Noris Hill road when it wasn't that bad to start with (unlike many other roads in town)? We all appreciate the dedication of our teachers, this is not against them either. All we are saying is that we cannot afford any new taxes. Many can't afford the taxes we have now! This has got to stop. We are drawing a line in the sand. This far and no farther. No more taxes.

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 8:40 AM (Suggest Removal)
Most schools Monmouths size have 2 sports to choose from, i know of none that have three sports to choose from that are the size of Monmouth (enrollment of 250). Another school that is Monmouths size would be Hall-dale, they have 2 boys sports golf and soccer. they may have x country, as well, but those sports do not cost as much as football. Plus Monmouth doesnt have enough kids to support all three.

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Posted By:Hymn at July 24, 2008 8:42 AM (Suggest Removal)
K! Yes I do and I was in band in school. I know what I said. Times are tough so time to tighten belts. Teach the important stuff first.

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Posted By:George A. at July 24, 2008 8:43 AM (Suggest Removal)
Once again those wanting the budget approved at the higher rate use the ever faithful mantra, "It's for the kids!" Well if they want more than lets institute a child fee. Say a $500 fee for every child to attend the school. That would lessen the taxes on those who have no children and those retired and place it on those who are creating the need. In many southern state education is removed from the property taxes on those who are 65. If other states can do this and make it work than it just proves that Maine is overtaxing us big time.

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Posted By:K at July 24, 2008 8:45 AM (Suggest Removal)
Hey, parents who want the football team financially support it. If you care so much about the schools in Monmouth, rather than pick the pocket of the taxpayer, support the school yourself.

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Posted By:justin at July 24, 2008 8:50 AM (Suggest Removal)
I think that is a great idea. All these parents that go to these meetings and run their moulths about not cutting this and not cutting that flip the bill themselves.

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Posted By:wake up at July 24, 2008 8:54 AM (Suggest Removal)
Ex Monmouth Resident::: In the early 2000s Monmouth was rated the 2nd best school in the state. When did you go there, and what college did you graduate from?

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Posted By:K at July 24, 2008 9:01 AM (Suggest Removal)
What the heck does Monmouth have besides the schools. Thats where most of the tax money should be going. You have what one maybe 2 police, maybe 2 fire trucks. Ever think that its the citizens coming from other towns buiding huge expensive houses that is causing taxes to rise, they don't even put their kids in your schools.

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Posted By:Petunia at July 24, 2008 9:17 AM (Suggest Removal)
Monmouth is a beautiful town with a gem of a school system. This is all so sad.

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Posted By:JC at July 24, 2008 9:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
K, people DO move to Monmouth because of the school and they DO put their kids in the Monmouth school system. Yes, many of them build big fancy houses which probably does impact the taxes. 30 to 40 years ago, Monmouth was a thriving community with several businesses, which helped keep the taxes down. At that time, Monmouth Academy was also used by Wales, Sabattus and Litchfield. The other towns broke off and built Oak Hill Highschool. One by one the various businesses began to disappear, which placed the bulk of the burden on the individual taxpayers. Monmouth is not unique in this respect. Many small towns around the State are going through or have gone through similar changes.

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Posted By:R at July 24, 2008 9:46 AM (Suggest Removal)
Yes Joe, I am telling you that no school money has been used for the football program...parents of the players have raised that money and provided transportaion to and from games. Check the facts.

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 9:50 AM (Suggest Removal)
Where O where are the facts to check? Doesnt the town have to have insurance for the players?? I would gladly check them, if I were told where to find them.

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Posted By:K at July 24, 2008 9:52 AM (Suggest Removal)
Can anyone say where the money is going...What the heck does Monmouth have besides the schools. Thats where most of the tax money should be going. You have what one maybe 2 police, maybe 2 fire trucks. Ever think that its the citizens coming from other towns buiding huge expensive houses that is causing taxes to rise, they don't even put their kids in your schools.

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Posted By:R at July 24, 2008 9:54 AM (Suggest Removal)
Fundraisers pay for the insurance....call Doug Beck, he'll direct you to the facts.

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 9:59 AM (Suggest Removal)
will do R!

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Posted By:wake up at July 24, 2008 10:11 AM (Suggest Removal)
K, try 5 police - yeah 5 and reserves. Plus a building full of fire trucks.

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Posted By:wake up at July 24, 2008 10:19 AM (Suggest Removal)
Joe::: MORE FACTS FOR YOU - All money is fundraiser based because Monmouth is not part of the Maine Pricipal's Association. That is why you will never see them on local TV sports stories. Nor are they eligible for the Fitzpatrick Trophy. They play games with teams from Lincoln, ME to Mount Blue - Yes Class A teams that demolish Class C Monmouth. And these teams don't even count the games as real - they are just like scrimmages, but keep in mind these kids love their football and play their hearts out for little or zero recognition. Money is obtained by volunteers through bottle drives, sales at the event of food booths, donations and a lot of hard work from the parents who support football. We pay activity fees and jersey fees and have to organize to transport the kids.

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Posted By:K at July 24, 2008 10:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
Thats great, but can that justify a majority of where your tax dollars are going?

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Posted By:wake up at July 24, 2008 10:29 AM (Suggest Removal)
K, Education is where it is at. If you don't believe that, take a walk through a ghetto where a hugely disproportionate amount of children are without 2 parents or degrees of any kind and look at where there education level starts and stops. Monmouth focuses children on higher education and enables and encourages them to go on to college. That is money well spent for all of us in the long run.

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Posted By:R at July 24, 2008 10:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
Come to think of it, maybe ALL sports programs should operate this way...how many parents are willing to do that?

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Posted By:K at July 24, 2008 10:44 AM (Suggest Removal)
District Household Characteristics Number of Households 1,556 Single-Parent Households 11.9% Adults with at Least a High School Diploma 88.7% Adults with at Least a Bachelor's Degree 20.8% I wouldn't call this a hugely disproportionate amount of children that are without 2 parents or degrees of any kind

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 10:57 AM (Suggest Removal)
Does the football team use a town or school field? If they do then some tax money is used for that, unless you pay a fee to use it.

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Posted By:J at July 24, 2008 11:13 AM (Suggest Removal)
It should be known that anyone can take numbers and twist them to say what serves their purpose, but I can not go on reading this without offering a few clarifications. First the article is misleading when it says that the school committee put forth the same budget three times in a row, the overall total has varied a little, but more importantly the amount they are seeking from taxpayers has gone down each time. The money coming from medicaid could not have been counted on until signed into law- doing so would have been bad business and misleading to the town. Second, when people say that they school board is not doing their job- I ask them what besides a reduction in all line items across the board without regard for the quality of education and safety of our children do they want them to do? The budget they put forth has no increases in programming or staff, it just maintians things they way they are, and every department has been challenged to find cuts where they can. Kids are being packed together like sardines for sporting trips to use less fuel, some field trips have been relocated to local areas, teachers salaries (which are comparable if not lower on a years worked comparison with all neighboring towns)and benefits are reasonable but not extravagent, our budget is per pupil one of the lowest in the area (half that of winthrop's) and we continously have high performing academics, sports and arts for our children. Third,Football is a club sport with no monies coming from the school budget, it has a huge parent support and grass roots fundraising efforts and they support themselve(and I don't even like football) so they are not at issue here (neither is the new police truck which they got a good deal on, and the fire truck which they have been saving for years for) Fourth, Taxes will go up about 1 percent without the school increase due to the police, fire, roads etc. People are complaining about that- but did they attend the municipal budget hearings? The extra money allotted for the police pension plan (only accessible when they work here for 20 years)was its own line item- we ALL could have voted it down. For that matter did they attend the school budget hearings where an amount was agreed upon all three times, how is the school board to know what to do when at one meeting the townspeople agree on a number and then when the vote comes out they don't. The Selectmen agree that due to rising costs of fuel and energy it is imperitive that we pass this budget for the school, but there are scare tactics out there to say that we can't afford it. No one likes taxes, but well educated children are the best thing we can do for our future. For most of us it amounts to 30 dollars or so, if you can't afford that, then maybe you qualify for the circut breaker tax assistance program run through the state. Targetting the schools when you are mad at the police and fire departments is like amputating your arm when your foot is infected.

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Posted By:R at July 24, 2008 11:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
They use the fairgrounds and they may pay a fee for that. Keep digging, you may find something. Doug Beck is a member of the school board and the football fundraising committee so he can answer all your questions.I'm just a parent supporting my sons love of football.

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Posted By:bill at July 24, 2008 11:25 AM (Suggest Removal)
You know, you are all welcome to come join us in Lewiston. Nice schools. Friendly parks and playgrounds. Low crime rate. Heck, we'll even help you out getting settled financially for as long as you like. Taxes? We have fees. You don't have to pay them if you don't want. Oh, by the way don't read the Lewiston Crime Bulletin. That's just news stories made up by the SJ trying to wreck our reputation. Come join us. It's happening here!

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 11:26 AM (Suggest Removal)
I can admit when Im wrong. In this case I am. Then the town now needs to look at either changing the formula (state decides that right?) or cutting public safety. I think people should leave the schools alone. Are they operating on a bare bones budget? No, but they cant get rid of a superintendent because they have a contract with him. Im sure this increase is fuel costs, insurance etc.

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Posted By:R at July 24, 2008 11:30 AM (Suggest Removal)
Thank you, Joe.

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Posted By:R at July 24, 2008 11:31 AM (Suggest Removal)
This is a nice example of how people can come to some understanding. Instead of defending his position no matter what, Joe listened, got the facts or at least information on where to get the facts and admitted he was wrong on this particular subject. Instead of being hard headed and emotional, he heard the other side of the argument and now he's more educated on this subject. Maybe that's how we can reach a resolution for this problem. Get the facts STRAIGHT and proceed....don't threaten to move out of town because you didn't get your way. Not very classy.

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Posted By:K at July 24, 2008 11:35 AM (Suggest Removal)
Yes, for the kids.. :)

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Posted By:J at July 24, 2008 12:13 PM (Suggest Removal)
The superintendent is only here a couple days a week, for a small salary until we merge next year.

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 12:22 PM (Suggest Removal)
How much will the town save when they consolidate?

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Posted By:J at July 24, 2008 12:28 PM (Suggest Removal)
Hey Joe, This is the problem, we were operating a pretty low cost and the deal with consolidation is that it was set up by the state to really work for those town's who had budgets that were out of control so we really won't save much for awhile if at all. We couldn't not consolidate though because of the penalties assessed by the State... and for those who wanted to go with Winthrop, well just look at their budget twice per pupil what ours is- good thing we didn't go there. You should consider attending the budget workshop with the school board, it sounds as if you might have ideas they could hear.

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 12:45 PM (Suggest Removal)
I have been to schoolboard meetings and my idea of cutting and their idea of cutting are two different things. I would like to have the least impact as possible upon students, but our maintenance budget is nuts, no cutting there and no holding people accountable

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Posted By:J at July 24, 2008 1:23 PM (Suggest Removal)
I think the first thing they always go after is the maintainence budget, the carpets are fraying and duct taped, the roof leaks at the middle school, the boilers are old and break down often, and the pretty gardens around the school mostly maintained by children and volunteers. It is a tough situation, and really we are all arguing over 121,000 spread amoung the whole town, hopefully before anyone does something as rash as moving away we can figure this thing out, and hold all aspects of town government up to the same scrutiny.

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 2:07 PM (Suggest Removal)
No ours maintanance dept has a front end loader, a dump truck, a tractor, and personnel that are not held accountable for their actions. Not to mention the director uses his school vehicle for personal trips (to Portland etc.) and nothing is done about it. When I say cut things from the maintanance budget Im talking things like this, not the preventive maintenance that should take place every year.

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Posted By:J at July 24, 2008 3:39 PM (Suggest Removal)
Joe, not really sure what you are talking about, we don't have a director of Maintenance,or a dump truck, front end loader and no one on staff has a school vehicle at their disposal for trips to Portland. We do have a tractor/ lawn mower, but we contract out for snow removal etc.

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Posted By:Petunia at July 24, 2008 4:05 PM (Suggest Removal)
Bill, no thanks, LOL! As I stated before, Monmouth is a beautiful town and a big town in area. We are so fortunate to have the Tacoma Lakes, TREES, the theater at Cumston Hall, museum,, Monmouth Fairgrounds, Cobbossee Colony Golf Club, transfer station, our convenience stores, bank, FCU,volunteer Fire Dept. and Police Dept, the school system, a population of wonderful and interesting citizens and neighbors, decent roads, and (very important to me) a low crime rate. Money and politics are making many of us so unhappy it's affecting our senses. Monmouth Academy has produced scores of productive individuals certainly a reflection of their parents, the "town" and all of the staff at Monmouth Schools. And again, all this fuss is so sad. I fear there will be some real regret in years to come.

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Posted By:Lois at July 24, 2008 4:33 PM (Suggest Removal)
If the student population is 250 and the requested budget is 7.6 million dollars, then the school system is requesting more than $30,000 per child. That's more than many colleges cost and I'll bet it's getting close to the tuition portion of the "better" liberal arts colleges' fees. That's also about $1900 per resident (assuming 3500 residents). Monmouth has the reputation of a good school system because the town has supported it so well for so long and it is a small system. When can the residents say enough?

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Posted By:Joe at July 24, 2008 5:26 PM (Suggest Removal)
Sorry, I was answering the question about my school district, we have those things and do not need them as well as our snow removal is also contracted out. Monmouth HS is 250, Im not sure what k-8 enrollment is

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Posted By:w at July 24, 2008 7:58 PM (Suggest Removal)
I think most of us agree that Monmouth has an excellent school system. As we look at cost per student maybe we should consider proof of residency to attend Monmouth. Many towns require a tax bill, electric bill, etc. before a child can be enrolled in their school system. In Monmouth, this is not required. How much tuition could we generate if we made parents who actually live in other towns but claim to live in Monmouth pay for their children to attend? The previous superindendent actually informed some parents when questioned about certain children's residency that it was not his job to police what town the family actually lives in.

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Posted By:Bayberry at July 24, 2008 8:22 PM (Suggest Removal)
All I'm reading is "It's for the kids!" I'm a current student in Monmouth, and I personally think it's a load of bull. The taxes in Monmouth are too high as it is (as is true with the state of Maine) and personally, my family doesn't need a tax increase. If the town really wants to jack up the school budget, then why not start getting rid of the extra baggage first? Our police department, for one, is considered one of the worst in the state. If people in my area have trouble, we call Winthrop, because then there's more than a 25% chance that they'll actually show up instead of saying "Too troublesome," and hanging up the phone. I'm sure getting rid of that would make a lot of people relieved. The police department is basically useless, and from rumors that have been floating around, has the highest officer per capita in the country. What!? THIS IS MONMOUTH, NOT NEW YORK. When other towns start complaining about the competency of your police department, you KNOW that something is definately wrong. And what is with people attacking the football team? THE SCHOOL DOES NOT SUPPORT THE FOOTBALL TEAM. As stated in a prior comment, fundraisers support the football team, not tax money. My brother has participated in a couple fundraisers (bottledrives) for the football team. Now, before people start throwing around "facts," check them to be sure they are actually accurate. I don't know if any of you are actually speaking "for the kids," since not all the kids agree with the budget. If you use a general term like that, you are, in fact, LYING. Saying "I'm doing this for my son/daughter, who actually agrees with me," is the proper way to say it. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, I'm just saying it doesn't apply to everyone. Start actually checking the facts, and then post your comment. DOWN WITH THE TAX INCREASE! YAY MONMOUTH!

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