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PORTLAND - The Las Vegas company seeking to build a casino resort in Oxford County unveiled artist renderings of the project Tuesday, explaining their design was aimed at blending in to the New England architecture landscape.

Voters on Nov. 4 will decide whether to legalize a casino for the western Maine county. The campaign supporting the proposal was taken over several weeks ago by The Olympia Group.

Olympia says the casino resort - now named "Oxford Highlands" - would create up to 800 jobs and put revenues into state coffers. The company has not identified a specific location for the resort. Opponents say the jobs would be of low quality, most of the revenues would travel out of state and social problems would increase if the casino referendum passes.

On Tuesday, Olympia officials showed designs to the media during a news conference in Portland. Peter Wilday, executive architect, said he and company officials studied examples of regional architecture before settling on a design theme. One print from a magazine depicting a painting of Rockport Harbor in 1919 was particularly influential in the resort's design theme, he said.

"The one word that sticks with me is 'charming,' " Wilday said. "Our direction is charming New England village."

The rendering showed a development with red brick and towers, large trees and a spread-out campus containing both single-story and multi-story buildings. Part of the concept was to appear as if the campus grew over several hundred years, expanding slowly, said Wilday.

"It's intended to be somewhat eclectic," said Wilday.

Campaign spokeswoman Pat LaMarche said supporters hope to announce a site for the casino by the end of next week. Olympia wants to have papers signed agreeing to buy a property, should the question pass this November. The company has several possibilities, she said, all over the county.

The director of a group opposed to casinos in Maine called the artist renderings "a nice diversion."

"Pretty pictures are like campaign promises - there's nothing in the bill that requires them to build what they're advertising today," said Dennis Bailey, executive director of Casinos No!. "Not to say they won't, (but) it's important to remember that this is a campaign promise."

Bailey noted that Olympia officials have called the bill "flawed," and are pushing to have the question approved and then have the Legislature fix it.

"I think they're asking the voters too much," he said, "to give them the key to a castle that we don't know where it's located or what it's going to look like."

The overall site would consist of about 25 acres. The project would be built in two phases with the first starting "immediately," if approved by voters, Wilday said. Phase one would consist of $100 million of development, including between 60,000 and 70,000 square feet in the casino, 10,000 to 20,000 square feet in a conference center, 70,000 to 75,000 square feet in hotel space, 5,000 square feet in a spa and about 30,000 square feet in restaurant space.

The first phase would include 125 hotel rooms and suites, the casino with 1,200 slots, about 20 gaming tables and a poker room, three to four casual and fine dining restaurants, a bar and lounge, a large indoor pool and other attractions.

The second phase of the project would proceed when Olympia determined the market was ready, said Wilday. It would include an extra 175 hotel rooms and suites, an expanded casino floor with up to an additional 300 slots, expanded meeting and conference space and an additional outdoor pool and expanded spa and fitness center.

"We want the locals to be proud, all of Maine to be proud of this," he said.

Wilday said designers would be taking environmental building practices into account. The offerings beyond gambling, such as the spa, convention center, lounge and restaurants, were aimed at attracting people to the resort, Wilday said.

"It's all about entertainment," he said "This charming New England village will be a high-intensity casino."

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Posted By:E at October 1, 2008 5:07 AM (Suggest Removal)
Dennis Bailey does not want people to have jobs. He is against any new revenue to come into Maine. The Casino's have worked in Mississippi. They have low unemployment and lower crime rates. Right now there may a difference because of the hurricanes but they will rebound. If this question on the ballot is defeated Maine will never rebound. The shoe compaanies are gone and the paper mills are going! people need a place to work now and in the future.

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Posted By:Gordon at October 1, 2008 5:44 AM (Suggest Removal)
This state can use all the new jobs it can get its hands on. This casino will create 600-800 new jobs. A "NO" vote for this casino is a stating you like the 5.5% unemployment rate in this state.

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Posted By:Kelly at October 1, 2008 5:46 AM (Suggest Removal)
Bailey didn't seem to mind Casino's when he was lobbying for them on the Scotia Prince. I didn't realize the "high road" was a mountain of money.

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Posted By:andre at October 1, 2008 7:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
WHO is this dennis bailey? and what county or town does he live in?to me it sounds like he's a reformed gambler,maybe he lost thousands doing it because he treats the people of maine like they are stupid and will all fall pray to the gambling bug like everyone who goes to these places is going to blow there rent money or food and bill money,this guy doesnt care a thing about you or i ,hes making good money right now lobbying against this project he's worried if it passes that he will then himself have to go find a real job and earn his living the way the rest of us do,(HARDWORK0.keep the money thats leaving the state every weekend and going south right here in maine,contrary to mr bailey's beleif,mainers are responsable people,hardworking and loyal,and they want to work and earn there keep.vote yes and lets get back to work....

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Posted By:Mike at October 1, 2008 8:22 AM (Suggest Removal)
Dennis Bailey doesn't personally care one way or the other if a casino comes to Maine. He is being paid to argue against it. It is his job.

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Posted By:lisa at October 1, 2008 8:30 AM (Suggest Removal)
It is important for voters to know WHERE it is going to be. Are our taxes dollars going up to support this casino to pay for extra police, extra road work... ect? Neighbors have a right to know. How does a casino near your home affect the value of your home? I'm all for a casino , but want those questions answered. Some of us who live in "rural Maine", live there for the peace and tranquility and would prefer NOT to have steady stream of traffic go by daily. Just would like some more information before voting. Nov is right around the corner! We have a right to know WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE!!! I am for a casino, but if you do not reveal location soon, I will be voting against because I will not have enough time to research those questions.

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Posted By:sheesh at October 1, 2008 8:38 AM (Suggest Removal)
Voting NO for the casino. That's all the area businesses need is to have new stores brought in to put them out of business. There will go more mom and pop businesses. It's kind of like when Walmart moves into town.. competition is gone because mom and pop stores can't survive. NO for Casino and No for Obama!

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Posted By:AJ at October 1, 2008 8:46 AM (Suggest Removal)
'NO for Casino and No for Obama' I don't believe Obama has expressed an opinion about this casino bill... But if you are trying to say that you are a Republican I guess you would be one of those who wants to tell everyone what they can do and where they can do it rather than a regulation free business advocate.. Or better yet You're a Holy Roller not a High Roller.

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Posted By:Kevin at October 1, 2008 9:02 AM (Suggest Removal)
The last time Mainer's voted down a casino bill for the Sanford area, Connecticut voters cheered. Shortly thereafter the casinos in Conn. unvieled a $700,000,000.00 plan to improve their casinos. If Mainers shoot down this bill they deserve what they will get. More unemployment (except for Bailey), higher taxes, and mark my word, Baldacci will come out with a "new twist" to the "Lottery game".To anyone wondering , I am not and never have been a "Republican".

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Posted By:lisa at October 1, 2008 9:09 AM (Suggest Removal)
There is something fishy if they cannot announce a location, when the vote is so close. Either it is poorly planned which isn't a good way to start any company, or they don't know yet, which is poorly planned. Either way, announce the location or the transparency of deceit and potential failure is evident! Portland Press Herald says it's near Black Mountain. http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=210631&ac=PHnws&pg=2

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Posted By:pluto at October 1, 2008 9:16 AM (Suggest Removal)
Let's see. Vote YES on the casino resort and attract enough business to keep mom-n-pop's that employ 5-6 employees in business PLUS 800 good jobs with benefits (not to memtion the jobs that will be created in surrounding areas to cater to visitors off-site interests) OR Vote NO and watch the mom-n-pops go out of business because Maine's depressed economy doesn't leave enough money in people's pockets to go out to eat or buy new clothes and trinkets or fix up their homes or enjoy the recreation that makes Western Maine a vacation destination. Yup, that's a real tough decision. destinationmountain

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Posted By:Robert61 at October 1, 2008 9:20 AM (Suggest Removal)
I'll vote no, only because of the language in the entire bill and how it prohibits anyone else from doing the same for 10 years, plus giving Seth Carey way too much power on several state boards. As an aside, it would be interesting to know who the 10 Mainers are..I know a couple of them and people would be shocked.

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Posted By:pluto at October 1, 2008 9:35 AM (Suggest Removal)
Update flash, Robert61..........Seth is out!

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Posted By:greatimes at October 1, 2008 9:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
Well I for one would vote No,divorce rate high here, men and women leaving the mill for the bars like they have for years and not going home, parents living through their children in sports, best uniforms,cars, and the kids academics suck, but they have the new car,cell phone,pc,ipod and when they turn 18 they can go gamble their allowance away,wow,,,now lets attract more prostituites and dancers from Lewiston and other areas cause they are fixing up their city and attracting business for the benefit of all, not a place where you can gamble your money away, watch girly shows and the family unit diminish. If you do your research, Rumford,Mexico has had the highest rate of alcohol consumption per captia since the first cut tree rolled down the river, the men would stay in the forest for a week come out, the bar would cash their check and they would not go home to their wives and family and when they did they had no money. We need to attract businesses that will put people to work in our local area, yeah people around here have the knowledge to be a dealer at a blackjack table, they will hire people with experience already,,, do you really think they are going to hire the single mom with two kids living here on welfare to deal cards or bartend. I don;t think so.. give me a break. Gambling is a sin and so isn;t getting drunk, these town are dieing, and with a casino they will die even more,, it will break up families and cause more addictions. And the high schools students are still going to leave for college and not come back cause we don;t offer enough for the family unit.

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Posted By:AJ at October 1, 2008 9:53 AM (Suggest Removal)
'Update flash, Robert61..........Seth is out! Update Pluto: His bill isn't!!! It would still give the control to whoever runs the casino....

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Posted By:. at October 1, 2008 10:19 AM (Suggest Removal)
Charming casino...Charming in the same way that a pimple on my ass is charming. And about as good for the economy too. Kind of like wal-mart in a way. A lot of poor paying jobs (swabbing toilets and changing bedsheets) are created at the expense of existing ones and the money leaves town, never to be seen again.

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Posted By:Kevin at October 1, 2008 10:24 AM (Suggest Removal)
To L.M....If I were a mill employee or even a resident of Rumford / Mexico, I would be insulted by your "broad brush" remarks.I covered that area working with the elderly and found everyone I met to be upstanding citizens. And believe me I also met a lot of adult children of the elderly who were also responsible people and most worked at the mill... The Mill is going to be gone someday and we all know it's coming. Having a casino in that area will draw money from both New Hampshire and Mass. I can't understand the thinking of all the "do gooders" who are dispensing the doom and gloom that "supposedly" will take place. Give the people from Maine some credit.We are not irresponsible children.

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Posted By:TR at October 1, 2008 10:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
I heard the architect on the radio talking about how the thing looked like a new england village...the rendering looks more like something out of a Disney park with all of the domes and turrets. Apparently the first money has already gone out of state...the guy is from Reno...what's the matter, no designers in Maine? Call up the boys down in Oxford and order a few trailers, stack 'em up and screw 'em together, lay on about three different colors of vinyl siding and drape a blue tarp over the top and then it 'll look like western Maine!!

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Posted By:to L at October 1, 2008 10:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
CNN story today states Foxwoods is laying off 700 people due to decreased business.

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Posted By:memory at October 1, 2008 10:52 AM (Suggest Removal)
..well location, this is really a no brainer, assuming you have a brain and/or are not brain dead. You need infrastructure, 3 phase power, and room to expand on land that is already vastly permitted as commercial....figured it out yet allstars. How about near the Jordan Resort in Bethel??? Very good, I'm glad you guys figured that all out on your own.

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Posted By:greatimes at October 1, 2008 11:07 AM (Suggest Removal)
They are not insults they are true. Ok its a friday night and a major snowstorm hits, do you think people from mass are going to drive here to gamble, no they will go to Atlantic city instead cause its closer and no snowstorm,so the casino loses money,the single mom loses hrs as a bartender cause its slow, no money for Christmas, her ex will not have extra money cause he gamble his money away every week, hmmm so many scenarios. Look at divorce rate Vegas, daycares open 24/7 wow I want my kids at daycare at 3 am. People don;t win at casinos, ever been to Vegas, they will just take the paychecks of the people who work at the mill,come on walk down Congress street in Rumford on a Saturday and count how many people are walking on the street, than count the empty stores.

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Posted By:lg at October 1, 2008 11:13 AM (Suggest Removal)
Hey L.M. I am not employeed by the paper mill put common sense tells you these are some of the best papermakers in the world.New page rumford is one of the least effected mills during hard times because of their hard work and efficincy.No matter if there divorced and at the bar,and they pass that work ethic on to there children.

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Posted By:CasinoYes! at October 1, 2008 11:26 AM (Suggest Removal)
I love the argument that these are "poor paying jobs". I believe I saw an average pay of $35,000. Doesn't seem so bad. Also, are 800 "poor paying jobs" really worse than unemployment and having to support people who live off their unemployment benefits. I'd rather see the 800 new jobs. I'm a Republican, big deal, it's about development for Maine. You can't complain about your income tax rate or poor funding for schools, if you shoot down the opportunities we have for development. And I don't want to hear that "it's the wrong kind of development". Really? How many Fortune 500 companies are knocking on the door to relocate to Maine? Last I checked, none. Gambling is not "evil", it's entertainment. This is a great opportunity for Maine. We keep 39 percent. That sounds pretty good to me. Vote yes for the Casino so we can finally start stepping into the future.

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Posted By:lisa at October 1, 2008 11:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
So if it's all good according to the planners, why have they not laid out an EXACT plan. Tell us where, Tell us how tax dollars will be affected to those living in that town, tell us how our home values will be. Not a good way to "convince the public", of a plan when you fail to unveil the "whole" plan. Some one wants to get rich, and wants us all to sit back and say "yes we want jobs, yes we want our economy to be thriving". Give us more credit! What the USA is going through at this time is related to BLIND FAITH! WE are NOT wrong to want all the answers! They better open up everything real soon, or our "BRAINS"... will tell us something more than just the mill stinks in this town!!!

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Posted By:Just a thought at October 1, 2008 12:16 PM (Suggest Removal)
I'm voting yes to bring a casino to Maine....Don't make the Wal-Mart comparison....they came to town and brought even more customers to the Mom and Pops. A vote against the casino is a vote for higher unemployment and less income staying in Maine.

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Posted By:Todd at October 1, 2008 12:27 PM (Suggest Removal)
600 TO 800 JOBS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. THAT IS ONLY FOR THE CASINO. DON'T FORGET THE CONSTRUCTION AND SERVICE INDUSTRIES. NEW RESTAURANTS AND DAY CARE. COUMTLESS OTHER OCCUPATIONS WILL BE REWARDED IN THE END.

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Posted By:E at October 1, 2008 12:39 PM (Suggest Removal)
As I said the naysayers do not want Maine to prosper. If the people are working who are the Democraps going to save?

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Posted By:peter at October 1, 2008 1:40 PM (Suggest Removal)
no brainer: read the referendum won't be your tax dollars...the host city gets 2% almost 2.5 mil to cover any added costs....home values give me a break...studies show values go up. Robert61...are you the resident "deep throat" do you have the LLC document that shows equity interests... Olympia already said they don't need the Moritorium and will go under current laws you naysayers are all part of the problem....why don't you ask the 600 people working at Hollywood slots if they appreciate the jobs they have....so now you want to turn down jobs becuase they don't fit your description of a "good job" you all are very sorry people !

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Posted By:Timeout at October 1, 2008 1:44 PM (Suggest Removal)
Near the Jordan Hotel? That's probably a nice drive in the summer and fall but not much fun in the winter...wow, they'll really have to expand the shuttle service...oh, and it's really hard to get shuttle drivers to drive the Jordan loop in the winter... especially if it snows...lol... I guess it's possible - Seth spent a lot of time bartending at SR and making connections for the casino among the patrons. Good luck filling the 600-800 jobs if it's located at SR - how will the employees get to work? Right, they'll be paid so well they'll all be driving SUVs or whatever's trendy these days. SR has to import workers from other countries to take many of its jobs...what's going to be different?

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Posted By:Skip at October 1, 2008 1:56 PM (Suggest Removal)
Hey leaving maine,have you left yet?Sure hope so.You'll be one less dumbass in the state.

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Posted By:lisa at October 1, 2008 2:06 PM (Suggest Removal)
WE are "sorry people"? The vote is a month away... where is the final plans? They talk the talk, but show us the FINAL DEAL! Mainers are not as stupid as some would think. You don't just dangle an "idea of money", in front of us, and we bite, like ignorant dogs. I have researched "Home Values Dropping Near a Casino". I think YOU are the "sorry People", as you are accepting this idea without a clue as to where it is going to be located. If you DO have the insight as to the location, you may want to advise the developers to release the idea soon. Not too many people will accept this if they lay out the "Final Plan", a mere week or 2 before vote. It shows chaos and inadequate planning. Why the big secret? You can't blame Mainers for rejecting it if the PLANNERS don't present their full idea. Shame on the PLANNERS!

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Posted By:Timeout at October 1, 2008 2:07 PM (Suggest Removal)
BTW, the Jordan is approximately 24 miles from intown Rumford - one way.

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Posted By:lisa at October 1, 2008 2:25 PM (Suggest Removal)
Wouldn't it be common sense to let the town know that the casino will be in? If the casino is looking at Oxford County, why did they present their idea in Portland? Why didn't they come to Oxford County, so we could ask questions? The town should have advanced warning so they can make sure they have a plan to handle traffic and other concerns.

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Posted By:Rocky at October 1, 2008 2:27 PM (Suggest Removal)
Foxwoods is laying off 700 employees, plus the 200 they laid off in June. Mohegan Sun has laid off 600 workers, due to a poor economy. The casinos out west pay about $16.00, per hour (union Jobs) but I doubt thats what the wages will be in Oxford County. Generally it's averaged out to the standard rate of pay in the area. For instance, Nestles Waters, aka Poland Springs in York County pays a machine operator $18.00+ per hour. I'd be willing to bet that the employees in Kingfield aren't getting even close to that.

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Posted By:AJ at October 1, 2008 2:37 PM (Suggest Removal)
'Posted By:Interesting at October 1, 2008 10:37 AM (Suggest Removal) CNN story today states Foxwoods is laying off 700 people due to decreased business' You left out a little pertinent information in that story. Nearly 11,000 people are employed at Foxwoods and the MGM Grand

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Posted By:andre at October 1, 2008 2:40 PM (Suggest Removal)
YOU no what OLDFAHT your name fits you well,not sure where you live and by the sounds of it you have never been into the western mountains,its some of the most beautiful area in the whole state,rivers ,great fishing,great hunting,what a moron you are,you probley are so old you cant even piss by yourself anymore,continue to go to the doctors and have your prostrate checked out and wait to pass over to the other side...quite the traveler i guess,and yea im sure youve seen disney land many times lol probley never left the state ,continue to stay out of western maine we dont want people like you here,so when the resort passes keep your ass where ever you are now you OLDFART.

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Posted By:AJ at October 1, 2008 2:44 PM (Suggest Removal)
If you are ' leaving maine ' then why do you care..

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Posted By:AJ at October 1, 2008 2:46 PM (Suggest Removal)
And Oh, by the way Leaving Maine (not soon enough I might add) I grew up in Rumford, and they have problems just like any other community. But the picture you tried to paint is mostly BS on your part..

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Posted By:Timeout at October 1, 2008 2:48 PM (Suggest Removal)
Yes to Casino, just wondering if the "average pay" you saw was just the average workers or did it include executive/administration wages...that might significantly bump the "average pay" upwards. Remember mean, median and mode from math class?

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Posted By:AJ at October 1, 2008 2:48 PM (Suggest Removal)
'SR has to import workers from other countries to take many of its jobs...what's going to be different' My guess would be the fact that the casino jobs would probably be better paying and full time.. Just a guess.

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Posted By:Timeout at October 1, 2008 2:53 PM (Suggest Removal)
Right, AJ. And who's going to wash the toilets, empty the garbage, clean the hotel rooms, and all of the other routine chores associated with running a resort? What percentage of the 600-800 jobs do you think will fall into these categories? Again, who will fill these types of jobs? SR can't fill them now. And, why do you guess that they would be better paying jobs?

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Posted By:Rocky at October 1, 2008 3:04 PM (Suggest Removal)
hey AJ, about those better paying casino jobs, don't hold your breath.

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Posted By:Timeout at October 1, 2008 3:20 PM (Suggest Removal)
For the record, I'm not for telling anyone else whether we should have a casino or not. I do think we need to be realistic about the whole thing and know what we're buying, if we choose to buy it. Otherwise it's all reminding me of a Kevin Costner-scripted movie..."Build it and they will come..."

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Posted By:CasinoYes! at October 1, 2008 3:27 PM (Suggest Removal)
Even if they're not high paying jobs...they're jobs. Are we so arrogant that we look down upon people that need jobs that include janitorial duties. I respect someone more for cleaning toilets than I do for sitting home collecting unemployment. These are 600-800 jobs...period. We need these jobs. The income from these employees will be spent in Maine, the people this helps take off unemployment is more money to Maine, the 39% Maine gets to keep is more money for Maine, the construction work is money for Maine. Like I said before, there aren't many big companies knocking at Maine's door to bring jobs here. Let's take development where we can get it. Yes, I do remember mean, median and mode. But it doesn't matter if these jobs pay $35,000 or $25,000, if it takes people off welfare and unemployment, than these jobs are helping the Maine economy.

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Posted By:Timeout at October 1, 2008 3:51 PM (Suggest Removal)
I'm glad you have respect for people who clean for a living because that's one of the things I do. I want to look at long term cost vs. short term gain (not even sure there is a short-term gain). Leave out the comments about arrogance and I will continue the discussion with you.

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Posted By:Robert61 at October 1, 2008 4:57 PM (Suggest Removal)
At least one of the ten equity partners lives right her in good old Lewiston, and if this fails there is already a group looking to bring the casino business to this area.

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Posted By:andre at October 1, 2008 6:37 PM (Suggest Removal)
THANKS YUP COUNDNT SAY IT ANY BETTER,HES PROBLEY FROM THE BETTER PART OF THE STATE ,LIKE CAPE OR SOME WHERE DOWNEAST..A HOLES.OLDPRICK

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Posted By:chef at October 1, 2008 8:39 PM (Suggest Removal)
yup and andre whatever ones opinion you should have respect and agree to disagree. show some respevt in stead of being disrespectful

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Posted By:peter at October 1, 2008 9:34 PM (Suggest Removal)
Curious....I live in greater Oxford and a notice was sent out this week that on October 9 at the four sean conference center in Oxford, there is a public meeting put on by the chamber where the Olympia group will be discussing the project....sounds like an announcement coming to me. So you will stop talking out of your ass, I would urge you to attend.

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Posted By:john at October 2, 2008 3:35 AM (Suggest Removal)
I SEE MAINE GOING UP IN TAXES ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT . A TAX ON WATER RUNNING OFF YOU ROOF IN LEWISTON NUT'S

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Posted By:Kevin at October 2, 2008 7:20 AM (Suggest Removal)
Right On AJ...

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