Casino backers check out land around Oxford
By Leslie H. Dixon
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Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 7, 2008
OXFORD - Representatives of the Olympia Group are in town this week to shop for a site for the proposed $150 million Oxford County resort casino.
Realtor Tom Kennison of Kennison Real Estate in Oxford said Monday that he will show representatives of the Las Vegas-based group three or four sites within "close proximity" to Route 26 later this week.
Because he signed a confidentiality agreement with Olympia Group, Kennison said he couldn't disclose where the sites are or other details.
Kennison did say that the Olympia Group CEO and two or three of the firm's real estate development personnel will tour the sites, which vary in acreage. The property owners will not be on site but will be available by phone if needed during the site visit, he said.
Town Manager Michael Chammings said he is hearing from hundreds of people who are supporting the project, should casino backers decide to site it in Oxford. "I know they don't have a location yet," Chammings said Monday.
Chammings said Olympia Group representatives were in the Town Hall on Monday reviewing planning regulations and ordinances.
Selectmen voted unanimously last week to pass a resolution to support a casino and resort if the project passes a statewide referendum on Nov. 4. The town's economic advisory committee also supports the plan.
Pat LaMarche, a casino campaign spokeswoman, said last week that the location would be within 35 to 55 miles of Portland. She also said the site would be announced this week, but Monday said that was only a possibility.
Rumford, along with one other undisclosed town, is also being considered for the project, casino and town officials have said.
LaMarche also said a press conference would be held in Lewiston at 11 a.m. Wednesday to unveil results of an economic impact study funded by casino proponents.
Casino representatives are also expected to make a presentation in Paris on Thursday. That event will be from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at the Four Seasons Function Center in South Paris. The event is free and open to the public. Regional Editor Scott Thistle and Staff Writer M. Dirk Langeveld contributed to this report. |
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Posted By:tony at October 7, 2008 6:26 AM (Suggest Removal)
COME TO WATERFORD WE WILL GLADLY HAVE YOU AND WE HAVE LOTS OF LAND.WITH VIEWS...
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Posted By:tony at October 7, 2008 6:28 AM (Suggest Removal)
OXFORD WILL SHUT IT DOWN JUST LIKE THE RACE TRACK .THAT NOW BRINGS IN MILLIONS A YEAR IN NH!!!!!THERE ARE PRUDS IN OXFORD ALL THEY WANT IS DRUG STORES, PIZZA,AND A TRACTOR STORE AND WHO HAS THE MONEY TO BUY A TRACTOR????????????????WHEN THERE ARE NO JOBS...AND THE FEW ARE SLOWLY GOING UNDER THANKS TO BUSH/CHEANY
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Posted By:Just a thought at October 7, 2008 6:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
Yes...yes...yes....this will bring an economic boon to the area like never before! Bring it on!
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Posted By:mark at October 7, 2008 6:39 AM (Suggest Removal)
Sweet, please put it in my back yard!! And for your info "D", the town of Oxford has allready approved it in a town meeting about a week or so ago. This will bring jobs and cash flow that western Maine really needs, and remember "D", a recession is fueled by fear! If you need a tractor and have the money, buy the darn tractor!! Tucking it all in our mattresses will only worsen things.
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Posted By:David at October 7, 2008 7:04 AM (Suggest Removal)
Everyone in Maine, please read the entire referendum bill before you decide how to vote. There are so many bad things in the bill that you will decide to vote no. If you are going to change a law make it a good change. This has way too much in favor of the casino owners, not the state or the community where it will be built. Yes, they talk about the money that will flow into government coffers but that is to distract you from the rest of the bill. There will be too many people losing everything they own to the casino owners if this passes. This allows more than the construction and operation of a casino. It changes several of Maine's gambling laws in ways that only benefit the casino. If you won't take time to read the entire proposal at least look at the Casinos NO! web site and hear the other side's arguements.
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Posted By:MaineGal at October 7, 2008 7:24 AM (Suggest Removal)
I'm glad to hear that Carey's back door politics didn't totally put Rumford out of the running. The Scotty Brook development next to Black Mtn., the new business park and many rt. 2 locations would be ideal. I think overall this area would be very supportive if casino reps. are up front with the townspeople, which Seth Carey wasn't.
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Posted By:helga at October 7, 2008 7:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
David, is there a site to go to so you can read the proposal?
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Posted By:Jolly Roger at October 7, 2008 7:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
David - the changes are really aweful aren't they?....like giving 39% to the state, 2% to the host town and 1% to the host county....also, they are asking the law to be changed so that 18year olds CANNOT work there...you'd have to be 21 (so in a few years maybe you can get a job there! ;-) ).
Just say NO! to casinos no.
Avg job will pay $35,000 per year....800 jobs!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By:Mark at October 7, 2008 7:46 AM (Suggest Removal)
Lets just remember that the head of the Casino NO! fight was once or still is a lobby for off shore gambling. Lets face facts. This state is in trouble. Everyone talks about turning it around, but people will always complain about this or that. Once you get north or west of Augusta this state is hurting. People need these jobs and business that will generate from them. As a soon to be college graduate I will be leaving the state due to the lacking job market. I know a change like this is hard sometimes but tough times call for tough decisions
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Posted By:E at October 7, 2008 7:50 AM (Suggest Removal)
$35.000/yr. Is a lot better than "$0.00/yr" Say yes for with the casinos comes more jobs like hotels, restaurants, service industry to name a few. It isn't just the Casino itself. Don't listen to these nay sayers. They do not want Maine to be prosperous again. They had rather pay out welfare and un-employment. Or may be they just like getting their "Check" every month. Where is this anti-casino money coming from? Connecticut? Atlantic City? Keep our money here!
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Posted By:Roger at October 7, 2008 7:57 AM (Suggest Removal)
To all the nae sayers You folks cried the same thing when Bangor got Holleywood slots And it done nothing but possitive results.and dont think just because there going to be table games there going to be hookers behide every pine tree!the people that are going to vist are the same people who head to conn! and who do you think own the paper mills and bath iron works? out of state'rs and forgion'ers so stop twisting your words because it a win win for the state
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Posted By:NightCrawler at October 7, 2008 7:58 AM (Suggest Removal)
David, are you part of the "Casinos No!" crybabies? That's one of their arguments. "Read the fine print! It's bad for the state!" Isn't it enough for you that the state of Maine is skimming 39% right off the top? It looks to me like John Vito Baldacci is making out pretty well in this deal. Isn't the casino company allowed to make a profit in this casino project, or should they spend millions of dollars because they are just "nice guys"? Do you have any idea how many MILLIONS of dollars will be injected into Oxford County and whatever town is chosen to build the casino in? 1% or 2% may sound like chicken feed to you Casinos No! blue-blooders, but it's millions of dollars to the local economy. New hotels, new restaurants, new businesses, not to mention the 800 jobs at the casino. WHY would a responsible citizen of this state NOT want to see prosperity return to the state of Maine?
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Posted By:helga at October 7, 2008 8:19 AM (Suggest Removal)
My only worry is this..what kind of impact will it have on small area businesses such as restaurants? Will the already struggling small businesses in the area be put out of business by the five restaurants they are putting in the casino? Will casino goers stay at the casino and only the casino?
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Posted By:Unirok55 at October 7, 2008 8:24 AM (Suggest Removal)
Maybe,some of the casino's ideas are wrong. This can be worked out. Is not SOMETHING better than NOTHING? We would all like t-bone steak but few can afford it. Many people in Maine eat Ramaan noodles. Let's give them a chance to have a steak. It's all about the MONEY. The casino people are taking the chance,of course they get a large piece of the pie. The state, of course they will quickly eat whatever they get of the pie. The people will get a small piece, but SOMETHING is better than NOTHING!!!!!!
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Posted By:kaos at October 7, 2008 8:31 AM (Suggest Removal)
all local business will do better when i drive out of state to go to a casino and spend money i don't spend money only at the casino why not keep the money here at local shops!!!!!!!
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Posted By:Bonj at October 7, 2008 8:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
Probably, helga, so what? The casino brings them in, why shouldn't they want the people to patronize their merchants. The townies can patronize their Mom and Pop store with the money they make from the casino's jobs.
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Posted By:helga at October 7, 2008 8:44 AM (Suggest Removal)
I did a little research and everything I looked at said that mom and pop stores and eateries that had been in business for years had to close their doors, this concerns me. Someone change my mind, I am really on the fence here, my self preservation is kicking in.
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Posted By:John at October 7, 2008 8:56 AM (Suggest Removal)
The exact opposite of what you think is going to happen will take place. Foxwoods and Mohegan employ something like
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Posted By:Roger at October 7, 2008 9:02 AM (Suggest Removal)
helga look around the mom and pop stores and shop are closing now every day how can more people coming in to a area hurt them! use you noodle more people more stopping for that soda pop and so on
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Posted By:Oceanwitch at October 7, 2008 9:09 AM (Suggest Removal)
Just remember you can also loose your jobs in a casino when profits go down just ask the 700 people at Foxwoods, MGM and Mogehan who recently lost their jobs due to the bad economy!
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Posted By:Orno at October 7, 2008 9:14 AM (Suggest Removal)
Nightcrawler, do you stay awake nights trying to think up new ways to be offensive?
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Posted By:at work...you?? at October 7, 2008 9:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
Casinos No has a vested interest in creating enough doubt amoung the cattle of Maine to vote no. If a casino is approved, poor Dennis Baily and his legions of highly paid dolts will be out of work. Casinos No is a dangerous, self serving entity with one focus. Keeping Dennis employed. I say go for it, enjoy the prosperity and thumb your noses at the wealthy from southern Maine who want to tell us how to cut our trees, how to ride our snowmobiles and ATV's, when and what to hunt, and how to vote. CASINOS YES
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Posted By:kaos at October 7, 2008 9:21 AM (Suggest Removal)
oceanbitch bottom line more jobs and money in Maine
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Posted By:Steve at October 7, 2008 9:24 AM (Suggest Removal)
I have lived in Oxford for all of my life and I am looking around for the Restaurant's that will go out of buisness? We have none here, there is one hanging on by a Shoestring with out a casino, probably wont make to winter anyhow. Mom and pop stores will only Flurish. I am sad to see a couple of Knuckle heads in here spreading fear on stuff that just isn't true. We don't have the buisness to run out of town it is all shut down. The only logical answer to this question is YES. Besides if we did lose a local Eatery, are we going to vote no for 4-8 jobs to verses 800. THINK
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Posted By:at work...you?? at October 7, 2008 9:25 AM (Suggest Removal)
And to prs, what has nightcrawler stated that is offensive? Baldy bleeding us dry bothers you? Are you unemployed and looking for a raise from your enabling Democrat crack dealers?
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Posted By:Orno at October 7, 2008 9:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
at work...you?? Take his use of "Vito" for the middle name of the governor. What does that imply to you? To me it's an implication of mafia and meant as a slur. That's offensive. I could go on.....
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Posted By:helga at October 7, 2008 9:37 AM (Suggest Removal)
Steve, if you owned a small business such as a restaurant or store in Oxford Hills, you may think about the last sentence of your post.
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Posted By:andre at October 7, 2008 9:46 AM (Suggest Removal)
I hope that they consider the bethel/rumford area also,we already have a great reason for tourist to come up through rt 16 and visit the sunday river area i dont see where oxford is a great choice ,rt 26 is a death trap already,and i beleive our area has more to offer right off the bat weve got the grafton state park for hiking and fishing,sking,i know there thinking is closer to the pike and i dont have anything against the community of oxford ,i just think our area is a better fit ,we have thousand of tourist that come up through and head down rt 2 already, no matter where i guess as long as we can all see jobs from this is all that matters...voteing yes
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Posted By:pluto at October 7, 2008 9:48 AM (Suggest Removal)
There is something called"for the greater good". I patronize as many mom and pops as I can. I will even pay a little more to support local businesses. You cannot make decisions of this magnitude for a few when it will fly in the face of many. 800 good, clean jobs with BENEFITS will do more to serve the greater good of the communities than the potential loss of a few mom and pops. Now let's assume some mom and pops do go out of business, the experience and skills thay (the owners and their employees)have honed will be easily transferrable to a casino based job or an off site support business. Tell someone who is unwillingly on MaineCare and LIHEAP that 35k a year with benefits is an insult. Tell them that the chance for on the job training for skills that are transferrable and the boost of their self esteem for bringing home a paycheck isn't worth the sacrifice of a few mom and pops. Tell me the lessons their children will learn about seeing mommy and daddy proudly employeed instead of having to live on aid isn't worth a few mom and pops going out of business. And, who is to say that these mom and pops, who are entrepeneurs by nature will not find some other niche business to complement the new environment?
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Posted By:Jolly Roger at October 7, 2008 10:04 AM (Suggest Removal)
prs - I suspect at work...you? may have meant to type veto, as the gov's position on gaming is well known.
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Posted By:helga at October 7, 2008 10:23 AM (Suggest Removal)
Pluto, first of all most people on welfare and Maincare could have jobs right now. Also I believe you can still get Maincare making 35,000 a year, so lets not go there. So you have no problem with businesses owned by local people and families, some for years, having to shut their doors? Dont get me wrong I am not against the casino bringing in revenue, but I also have to think about self impact.
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Posted By:Orno at October 7, 2008 10:30 AM (Suggest Removal)
Jolly Roger, maybe you're right. (I did have to laugh when I read your post. It's hard to catch all the typos on these blogs.) But Nightcrawler's posts often have a vicious and sarcastic vein, so I naturally went there.
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Posted By:richard at October 7, 2008 10:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
Helga, yes lets go there. I make 30.000-32.000k a year and I can not get Mainecare,which I could use right now being diagnosed with bladder cancer just a few months ago. My insurence pays 90%,but I sure could use Mainecare for the other 10%, as this is not a cheap process...And yes on the casino....
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Posted By:John at October 7, 2008 10:41 AM (Suggest Removal)
Helga: Foxwoods/Mohegan employ around 15000 yet their impact to the community has created around 40,000 jobs. There is going to be around 800 people in Western Maine with lots of money in their pockets to spend at mom and pop stores.
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Posted By:Steve at October 7, 2008 10:50 AM (Suggest Removal)
Helga you need to get your head out of the clouds, People on welfar and maine care do not have jobs. Have you ever heard of Lewiston/Auburn... Drive through the down town and you will know how dumb that comment was. Secondly you really think that if 4-8 jobs at local eatery are lost in order to bring 800 jobs, that is a down fall.. Those folks will be able to go to the Casino and get a better paying job.. Heck they probably would leave that job to go the Casino.. Really Think, don't use Emotion
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Posted By:sable1974 at October 7, 2008 11:36 AM (Suggest Removal)
hmmm,well let's see whether we have a casino or not people are gonna gamble..whether it is playing cards with friends at home, scratch/lottery tickets, goin out of town to other resorts/casions, etc...do you people not understand how bad maine is suffering, financially..this is a huge opportunity, and most of you who are saying NO have your eyes soo closed it's not even funny..there's always gonna be trouble no matter what we invest in... but like i said this is HUGE opportunity for everyone, think about it!!!!!!
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Posted By:william at October 7, 2008 11:42 AM (Suggest Removal)
if you make over 900.00 a month you cant get mainecare
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Posted By:sable1974 at October 7, 2008 11:44 AM (Suggest Removal)
vtyes, i have to agree with you on placing the casino closer to the rumford area..it is very wise, but it would bring people closer to certain site seeing ares and ski areas, also hiking trails as well.. and not only would this help the casino, but think about the people who do come to see the western mountains, the advantage that everyone has..if people come to travel, all these mom and pop stores/restaraunts will get business..not everyone who goes to a casino wants to spend their entire time there...people like to venture out and the western mountains couldn't be but a better place for it..YES, YES,YES
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Posted By:Tony at October 7, 2008 11:57 AM (Suggest Removal)
Blah, blah.....wait a minute, for the first time ever I think I agree with NightCrawler on an issue. We're both for this casino. If you build it, I will come, and so will they (out-of-Staters, Canadians). I can't wait to responsibly spend my dollars on entertainment there with my wife, which will benefit the people of the town, county, and the State of Maine.
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Posted By:Bonnie at October 7, 2008 12:28 PM (Suggest Removal)
Oxford - what a excellent location to put a proposed casino. I'd like to ask all the posters WHAT Mom & Pop stores are you talking about?
As a resident of the area I can count on one hand the number of places that are even open now today. We have a WALMART, a Hannaford,a Pizza Hut, 2 sit down restaurants, now if you want to buy a car there's selection, if you want to wash your clothes we have 2 laundramats, it used to be you could be unemployed one day and have a new job the next. The only way you can have a job that quick is if you want to drive to Lewiston, Portland. I have lived my whole life in this area and am just so surprised that the area even has a heartbeat anymore.
The gentleman who said RT 26 is a death trap - believe me any road in Maine can be classified as a death trap. Oxford has such possibilities. There is an airport and rail lines. People who take the train in the winter to go skiing could stop. This project is so needed. I remember all the industry that was the Oxford Hills. The tannery, the mobile home manufacturing, the shoeshops, the sled factory, Wilner's wood factory, Cornwall's the cannery, The Country Way, Barjo's, JJ Newberry's the list goes on and on. They are all gone now and this area needs something drastically. Casino's NO just uses the same rhetoric over and over and over. As for the crime - it's already there and all I can say is if you don't like to gamble no one is forcing you to go there. I'd like to see this enterprise go in right beside the race track. Maybe, my children wouldn't have to leave the state when they get ready to leave home and find work.
I'm going to vote for this proposal and I urge everyone who wants to bring the life back into the Oxford Hills to do the same.
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Posted By:ojhuig at October 7, 2008 12:34 PM (Suggest Removal)
As a resident of Androscoggin County, I'm just not comfortable helping to decide an issue of importance to Oxford. I'm going to abstain. let Oxford County residents decide for themselves.
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Posted By:Jolly Roger at October 7, 2008 12:53 PM (Suggest Removal)
Thank you ojhuig - but, unless you vote YES on 2 - referenda question #2 next month, Oxford County reidents might not be able to have what they want...so please, VOTE YES on question #2.
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Posted By:memory at October 7, 2008 1:00 PM (Suggest Removal)
If there's no ho's, then I'm not going to vote for it. What's the sense of having a casino without ho's?
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Posted By:at work...you?? at October 7, 2008 1:24 PM (Suggest Removal)
TommyGump... Maybe they could have you as a feature where people can come look at the village idiot. You sound really intelligent.
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Posted By:Robert61 at October 7, 2008 1:25 PM (Suggest Removal)
Rumford is probably the least desirable of locations...you need to keep in mind location, location, location. It has to have access to the Turnpike - from Gray to Oxford is about 20 miles up Route 11, which have been significantly improved. As to jobs - its not just the casino, its the hotels, stores and restaurants that want to build around the area that also provide jobs and taxes for the local economy. Less than 2 miles from Mohegan Sun is the biggest area of restaurants and hotels I've seen in years - it was non-existent farm land prior to the casino.
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Posted By:helga at October 7, 2008 1:36 PM (Suggest Removal)
Steve, you need to get your head out of somewhere and READ the posts. I said people on welfare COULD have jobs, I didnt say they do. I dont need to go to Lewiston, I drive through Norway/Paris, plenty of welfare! Look in the paper, plenty of help wanted ads. You obviously have never worked your whole life for something either, your comments reflect that. By the way, I didnt say I was voting no,but if you keep letting your ignorance of my concerns control your comments, I may.
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Posted By:helga at October 7, 2008 1:46 PM (Suggest Removal)
Bonnie, you need to read my posts also. I said mom and pops and restaurants in Oxford Hills. Not Oxford. That means Norway, So. Paris, etc.. I can think of 12 restaurants in the Oxford, Norway, Paris area. Thats just of the top of my head, and doesnt include chains. By the way, when did Oxford get 2 laundramats?
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Posted By:Kelly at October 7, 2008 2:39 PM (Suggest Removal)
But if someone gains gainful employment at a Casino they can't be a mindless welfare check receiving Obama vote.
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Posted By:gunslinger at October 7, 2008 2:43 PM (Suggest Removal)
I'm voting yes, we could all use more jobs. But you voters all need to understand some of the math. the quote is the average pay will be $35,000.00. Take into consideration that the executive staff will make much, much more than that. The mean income is only going to be in the $20K to $25K range. Secondly, most of your are right to say that the good of the many is better than the misfortune of the few. If 2,000 are hired, and 700 get laid off, that's still 1,300 to the better than the status quo. Mom and Pops are going to have to be creative to get the casino business, but they will definately benefit from the locals having a few more jingles in their pocket.
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Posted By:Steve at October 7, 2008 2:44 PM (Suggest Removal)
Helga Where in the world is there 12 restuarants in Oxford, Norway, Paris. Lets just say you are correct, they may employ a total of 50 people, that is 1/16 the amount of people the casino would hire. Besides where do you think all the construction folks will go to eat while building this Resort.. By the way if you are not trying to talk people out of this then you are a terrible Yes Spokeswoman.
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Posted By:helga at October 7, 2008 2:57 PM (Suggest Removal)
Steve, again read all my posts. I am not trying to convince anyone. As I stated I'm on the fence. Like I said you have obviously never worked your whole life for something, so you couldnt possibly get my point. Also, your estimate of restaurant employees...way off.
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Posted By:Bonnie at October 7, 2008 3:08 PM (Suggest Removal)
Helga,
I agree with Steve, where do you see 12 restaurants in Norway/ South Paris. If your counting Burger King & McDonald they not restaurants. When I said Oxford Hills area I was including Norway&
South Paris.
Oh, forgive me I guess if you count all the Chinese take out joints it would come up to 12. I guess you will have to vote your own mind and conscious.
I was expressing an opinion as a person who has lived here all my life. This area Norway - South Paris - Oxford etc. is dying and if something doesn't happen soon we might as well hold a service.
Have a good day...........
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Posted By:sable1974 at October 7, 2008 4:38 PM (Suggest Removal)
robert61, rumford is actually a good place for it..we have a ton of unused land for one.. and no matter where you put the casino people are gonna have to drive to it whether it's by the turnpike or not....not to mention all the surrounding site seeing and other commodoties that are near this area...i think it's a PRIME LOCATION......
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Posted By:andre at October 7, 2008 6:51 PM (Suggest Removal)
I agree with you bonnie both communitys have faced the same downfalls over the years ,Rumford area use to employee 2400 men in the mill,now its around 900 and most from out of the area due to the strike years ago.also we had many of the same places you had,bethel has a rail line there already .my thoughts were there is more to naturally do in the western mountains then in the oxford hills area ,as one person commented not everyone that will go to the resort will want to spend the whole time inside and being we have lots to do as far as nature goes already ,that was my thought,but i agree with everyone,we need jobs and we are not in a position right now to turn this away,some may get hurt through this but we have to think of the good of the majority....either way,where ever it lands will be a positive to all areas within oxford county and revenue to the whole state... voteing yes....
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Posted By:James at October 7, 2008 8:38 PM (Suggest Removal)
A casino's enrichment of the few is bought with dollars from the many. Where else?
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Posted By:Jolly Roger at October 7, 2008 8:49 PM (Suggest Removal)
James - the stupidity of the masses is the bane of the enlightened.
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