Lewiston ends downtown planning effort
By Scott Taylor
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Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 8, 2008
LEWISTON - Master plans and committees are great but they take time - and the Twin Cities don't have time.
"Auburn is moving ahead with their downtown," Councilor Tom Peters said. "Lewiston has needs of its own to address and we need to get moving."
Councilors voted Tuesday to pull out of a joint downtown planning effort with the city of Auburn. A group of volunteers from each city has been meeting for the past two months to write a downtown master plan to be shared by the two cities. The group was tasked to set planning policy for both cities, making sure downtown developments complemented each other.
Master Plan Committee member Larry Gilbert Jr. - Mayor Larry Gilbert's son - told councilors Tuesday the committee planned to take 18 months to draw up the plan, with the help of a hired consultant.
That's too long, Lewiston City Councilor Denis Theriault said.
"We have to move fast now, and a committee that takes a year and a half is not going to get it done," Theriault said.
That doesn't mean that Theriault wants to be in competition with Auburn.
"We already work with Auburn, on a daily basis," he said. "Our staff meets with their staff every day and they move much quicker than a committee can. So if there is going to be a cost savings between the two cities, staff is going to find it. We don't need to form a bunch of committees to find savings."
Councilor Robert Reed said he was skeptical of all efforts to combine services with Auburn and didn't think it would work.
"Twin Cities really is the best name for us," Reed said. "From the outside, we look like twins. We really do, to people from around Maine. But from the inside, we're very different. There is just not the public will to combine services, so efforts to do it will never move forward."
He added that he doubted the two would ever be a single community. "Even if you filled the river in and built ball fields on it, we'd still be two communities," Reed said.
Committee member Paul Robinson said he was sorry to see the councilors end the committee and thought it could have done good work.
"But if there's no support for it, they needed to let it go," Robinson said. "If we're just doing this for no reason, we are just spinning our wheels. Nobody wants to do that." |
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Posted By:Jay Bee at October 8, 2008 7:18 AM (Suggest Removal) I'd express my umbrage at Lewiston voters for electing the most myopic and narrow-minded City Council in decades, but Auburn is full of idiots as well. They both seem to think that if there is no immediate payoff, than an idea is not worth pursuing. Kind of like what the banks were doing.
There was vision in these communities ten, fifteen years ago, and now we have chattering ostriches with their heads in the sand. Well, we voted for them, and now that economic development is grinding to a halt, we are getting what we deserve. I know kids with more common sense than these blowhards.
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Posted By:Bonj at October 8, 2008 8:07 AM (Suggest Removal) "let's not do anything because Auburn is going forward because we're not doing anything" Unbelievable! But I have to agree with the Mayor. It's obvious that Councilors Peters, Theriault and Reed want nothing to do with ACTUALLY saving taxpayers any money, they just like to talk about it. Well, let's all send Councilor Reed a bill for the $15 dollars extra that we're all going to have to pay this year, and increase it by hundreds every year. Thank you Councilor Reed.
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Posted By:Robert61 at October 8, 2008 9:33 AM (Suggest Removal) Lets not forget what we may have saved you with a committee that went on record last night as saying they needed to bring in a "consultant" to assist...I don't suppose you considered those savings as helping the taxpayers right?
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Posted By:bb at October 8, 2008 12:31 PM (Suggest Removal) Just talking with Auburn without any (organized committee) structure will be "wheel spinning." Perhaps it's not the committees that are the problem that come up with plans but rather the problem lie in the council that never takes action on implementing them. That's the problem. Paying a consultant works if you share the cost on the plan with Auburn and there will be economic benefits once you develop downtown. (If you don't spend any money what you have is what is there now, weeds and dark empty buildings). It seemed to me that this committee was made up of all types of citizens, young and old, from both sides of the river. It's sad to see the council not support a citizens group (who they are suppose to represent). Everyone who spoke last night was in favor of it- except the three councilors that voted against it.
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Posted By:Robert61 at October 8, 2008 2:42 PM (Suggest Removal) Seemed to me like the only people who spoke were appointed to the committee and thus have an interest in seeing the committee continue. My decision was made when they advised us that they needed a "consultant" to help them over the next 18 months...can anyone else see the logic and cost in that one?
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Posted By:bb at October 8, 2008 2:45 PM (Suggest Removal) There was Rep. Elaine Makas who spoke- not on the committee. Mr. Grandmaison, again, not on the committee, and I guess those on the committee aren't citizens of Lewiston-Auburn? Citizens that, you sir, represent! Their voices should be heard considering they are putting in the extra effort for community engagement. Even more, the council should encourage them. You sir, are suppose to represent what the majority of the citizens want (even if that means investing money). The return on the investment is: a vibrate downtown on both sides of the river- which include good paying jobs, restaurants, hotels, and an anchor (such as a convention center at Mill #5) attracting our young college educated adults from moving to Portland and out of state. You sir, may see it as wasting money, I see it as an investment in the future.
How do you expect to get community input now on a plan for downtown when you vote against those in these communities that wanted to put in the time and effort at making that happen?
What you did last night was throw the first stone in a Lewiston VS. Auburn ideology. Lewiston and Auburn need to work together.
When companies merge they do so to save costs and increase aggressive growth. Why can't you do that with Auburn?
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Posted By:Bonj at October 8, 2008 3:50 PM (Suggest Removal) Your first mistake, JJB, is to mention Elaine Makas. She's a Democrat and Councilor Reed considers Democrats bad people, if you closely listen to an aside he made to someone. It was barely audible, but I TIVOed to make certain what he said. Second, Councilor Reed lied what he stated he made his mind up last night. His mind has been made up since this start, and he has collaborated with the local radical right wing tabloid for months to get this thing derailed. Now he has succeeded. So be it.
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Posted By:Robert61 at October 8, 2008 4:14 PM (Suggest Removal) YOu know, maybe we should go to citizens non-binding referendum just to prove to so many people that the will of the people is not there to merge/consolidate or otherwise have a joint venture. Secondly, I was not elected to represent the majority of the voters wishes, I was elected to do the right thing for Lewiston - something pointed out at the first council meeting we had for the public to meet us. What exactly would the local "right wing tabloid" have to do with wanting to see the idea of consolidation derailed? Thats about as stupid a statement as anythin else you've said. But thanks for making people think it was only me that wanted this derailed. Seems to me at the prior council meeting others were calling for the dismantling and as you well know I was not present. That beign said, stay tuned for tomorrow's Twin City Times and my reasons for not going forth with the consolidation plan as put forth are in there. If you really want consolidation its quite simple - hire one city administrator and start there - the simple fact that Auburn had that opportunity and chose to look for their own guy instead of sharing Mr. Bennett tells you they are not serious about consolidation.
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Posted By:bb at October 8, 2008 5:03 PM (Suggest Removal) You were elected because you were the only one running. That being said you seem to fold under pressure and change your stance when the majority is in the room looking at you. i.e. stop funding for school busing transportation for parochial schools. Which stance was "right" as you put it? You seem to listen to the majority that time? A citizens non-binding referendum I would be for (but you wouldn't because that would cost money to conduct) and assure you that you are wrong about citizens not wanting a joint downtown master plan. Especially when they see a conceit plan. You seem to get off the subject of the article and bring in account consolidation.
Since you have all the answers, answer me this. Was 15 citizens, young and old, from both sides of the river wanting to work on this together for their own communities wrong on this?
The question was never if the majority are for it. They are. It's the council that never wanted it. That was and still continues to be the problem.
Isn't it true you are hiring a PAID consultant for the comprehensive city plan? That you support?
So if 18 months is too long. What is the time frame for you and Councilors Theriault and Peters to come up with a downtown plan?
The Auburn council is not off the hook either. They would rather increase taxes by not consolidating. When have companies merged to lose money? They don't they do it to save and to grow the company and invest. i.e. Lewiston AND Auburn working together to bring businesses to Lewiston AND Auburn not fighting each other.
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Posted By:Bonj at October 8, 2008 5:33 PM (Suggest Removal) "Sharing Mr. Bennett" is the surest way to derail everything and Councilor Reed knows it. He clings to this idea of 'sharing' when what is needed in NEW. Mr. Bennett comes with so much baggage, no one from Auburn would ever be able to believe he could manage both cities fairly. The suspicion would always be there that he would be favoring Lewiston no matter the truth. I've tired several times to get that idea through, but Councilor Reed refuses to open his mind.
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