Question 2
By Kathryn Skelton
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Staff Writer
Sunday, October 12, 2008
In three weeks, voters will decide at the polls whether to approve a $184 million casino for Oxford County, lower the state gambling age and skip the usual appointment process to seat Dean Harrold, a Las Vegas executive, on nearly two dozen government boards.
Those last two points - what casino proponent Olympia Gaming says it will seek to change if the referendum passes - are some of the twists in the 2-year-old campaign. Some others: The campaign's founder is facing possible disbarment. Its spokeswoman, a former Green Party vice presidential candidate, quit and came back. And eight silent partners remain so.
Is a former Lewiston city councilor a part owner? Because of a confidentiality agreement, he can't say.
Another twist?
Two months ago, Harrold's reaction to opening a casino in Maine: "It's a long ways from here and we're going to be held hostage because we're going to have to have Mainers and New Englanders run it, and we're going to have to go along with it because we're not there. We're not part of the culture."
Now, Harrold says he loves the state. He'd even hire a general manager for the casino with Maine roots. If he can find one.
Here's a look at the referendum and some questions whose answers remain elusive.
What would "Oxford Highlands" look like?
Billed as New-England-village quaint, its first $112 million phase - in a still-to-be-announced location in the town of Oxford - would have, according to Olympia:
• 1,200 slot machines, 12 gaming tables and 5 poker tables;
• A 125-room hotel;
• A 5,000-square-foot spa;
• A 250-seat buffet with other eateries;
• And 20,000 square feet of meeting space.
In the $71.9 million phase two:
• 300 more slots, 18 more tables;
• More buffet, more spa, more meeting space;
• 175 hotel rooms;
• And a 400-seat lounge for live acts.
Harrold said business would dictate the timing of phase two. Projections are based on a 2014 finish date. Gaming would account for 85 percent of the total revenue, estimated at $164 million in 2014. Of that, $69 million would go to the state as taxes.
"This is a real opportunity, and I swear to God, if someone didn't come to Maine and beat us over the head with the opportunity, we probably wouldn't take it," said Vote Yes spokeswoman Pat LaMarche.
Dennis Bailey of CasinosNO! has the next of several debates with LaMarche Tuesday on Maine Public Radio. The referendum has too many problems, he said, and the project isn't compatible with Maine.
"Here is a guy from Las Vegas coming in here, talking about jobs, about helping Maine. Let's cut to the chase: He's here to pick our pocket, he's here to flim-flam us into taking our money," Bailey said. "And they'll make a lot of it, no question about it."
Who would visit?
Fifty-four percent would be from away, according to proponents. In contrast, Hollywood Slots in Bangor attracts 94 percent Mainers.
LaMarche said proximity to Portland would make the difference: "Plus we think we're going to have a lot better things to offer. ... We're going to have a four-season resort."
Clyde Barrow, director at the Center for Policy Analysis at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, hired by Olympia for an economic analysis, said the new resort would have a 2.5 hour-drive draw. That means New Hampshire, Vermont, northern Massachusetts and Canada.
As for the typical casino-goer, the bulk of table game players are men, under 40, making $75,000 or more a year, he said. The bulk of slot machine players are women, over 40, making $25,000 to $75,000.
Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in Connecticut aren't good comparisons for this casino, Barrow said; they're much, much bigger. Think half the size of an Atlantic City casino or one like Harrah's Tunica in Mississippi.
What about jobs?
By 2014, one-third of its anticipated 907 jobs, positions in food and beverage, would pay an average $18,368 a year, according to Barrow. The facility average, from general manager to the sparkle team (the name of the cleaning crew at Olympia's Fandango casino in Carson City, Nev.), would be $35,876.
Eighty percent would be full time, with benefits. Seventy percent won't require education beyond a high school diploma. Ninety-seven percent of positions will go to Maine people, Harrold said, including, potentially, the top spot.
"We'll go around the country and see who from Maine is working in the casino industry that would like to go home," he said. And if not Maine, New England.
Annual payroll by 2014: $32.5 million. Barrow anticipated local businesses creating another 592 jobs as a spin-off from the casino, boosting the economy by another $16.6 million.
He also estimated the creation of 1,277 jobs during construction.
Maine's tribes have pushed for gaming several times before and been turned back. Where do they stand?
Penobscots aren't opposed to an Oxford casino. They also haven't campaigned for it.
Repeated calls to Passamaquoddy tribal leaders were not returned. Their most recent attempt, a proposed Washington County racino, failed in a statewide referendum last November.
Numerous referendums since 2000 have tried to bring slots and table games to Maine. Only the one for Hollywood Slots in 2003 passed (and then for slot machines only, no tables). That same year voters rejected a huge casino in Sanford.
Gov. John Baldacci, opposed to gambling expansion before, also opposes this referendum, according to a spokesman.
What's to be learned by looking at Hollywood Slots?
Shaw's supermarket had more calls to Bangor police last year than the racino. The feared surge in crime hasn't come, according to Bob Welch, executive director of Maine's Gambling Control Board.
"That's the big fear, that we were going to have a bunch of Mafia types up there. These companies are so above-board," said Welch, who has no public position on Question 2.
In 2007, visitors wagered $609 million at Hollywood Slots and won back $566 million. Another $6 million went to Maine as tax, $14 million went to groups like harness racers.
Two retired police officers spend 10 hours a day at Hollywood Slots monitoring the operation. As of August, 112 people had signed a self-exclusion list, problem gamblers who ask not to be let in the door for one year, five years or a lifetime. Despite stories of those people nonetheless trying to give security the slip, no one has ever taken the board up on its offer of free gambling addiction counseling.
Hollywood Slots General Manager Jon Johnson said his operation, including the racetrack, employs 500 people. A new $138 million permanent facility, spread over eight acres, with a 152-room hotel, opened this summer.
It has 1,000 slot machines and permission to add 500 more but no immediate plans to, Johnson said. "We could definitely squeeze in table games if they were authorized in Maine."
Hollywood Slots is taking no position on a potential Oxford casino.
What are the biggest issues with the referendum question as written?
Opponents cite several. Olympia even agrees with them on some points. Under the bill:
• The gambling age would be dropped from 21 to 19.
• The 39 percent gaming tax would be split between 22 different entities or causes, like Land for Maine's Future, the host town, research on an east-west highway and somewhat vague purposes like lowering balances on student loans.
• The casino's owner would be given a seat on all the boards that receive casino funds.
• An exclusivity clause would make an Oxford County casino the only gaming facility in the state for the next 10 years.
• Depending upon interpretation, the casino might allow extending credit to gamblers. (Welch at the Gambling Control Board says that's how he reads it; LaMarche says not true, and they wouldn't extend credit anyway.)
Harrold said he can't sit on all those boards and doesn't want it. He also agrees with keeping the gambling age at 21.
How does the Legislature go about changing a law once it's passed?
Expect a flurry of bills. However, nothing binds Olympia Group to ask for changes, and nothing binds the Legislature to make them.
Leaders on both sides agree there's probably political will to amend the gambling age and strip Harrold's seats. Still, come Election Day, people ought to vote on what's in front of them, said Hannah Pingree, Democratic majority leader in the Maine House, who said she voted against it last spring and that it's now up to the people.
"I don't think anything is guaranteed in the legislative process whatsoever," she said.
There is some precedent.
"When the racino passed in 2003, it was in horrible conflict with all of our gambling statutes," said Secretary of State Matt Dunlap, a former legislator. "That was nothing that was ever spoken of during the campaign."
Negotiations with Hollywood Slots' owners, Penn National Gaming, took several months. In that time, lobbyists for off-track betting argued for a share of the slot money, according to Bailey.
"That was not in the original bill. Off-track betting parlors now get 2 percent of the revenue, more than the University of Maine gets," he said. "That's what you're going to get. If this thing lands back in the Legislature, the tribes will be in there saying ... 'If you're going to give it to them, you better give it to us.' It's 'Katie bar the door.'"
In the process, Bailey said, legislators could "fix" anything, even the location.
"It's Oxford County or bust as it's written. Now, again, (the) Legal and Veterans Affairs (committee in the Legislature) has power over everything," LaMarche said.
It's possible, but not probable, she added, that the location would change.
Last month, Olympia Group bought 75 percent of Evergreen Mountain Enterprises, Seth Carey's company that got the referendum question on the ballot. Who owns the other 25 percent?
Olympia has nine minority partners, all from Maine, according to Harrold. Only one has been made public, Rumford's Carey. Unrelated to the campaign, he was in front of the Maine Board of Overseers of the Law this week facing four complaints and the potential loss of his law license.
"They're people that worked on the project with Seth," LaMarche said. "Mr. Carey made a deal with some people that if they helped him they'd have some ownership."
Signature gatherers had an agreement for a share of the future casino based on their work, according to one Portland man.
"It was really a small amount, one-quarter of 1 percent if you got 5,000 signatures," said Ben Chipman, who wasn't sure how many he collected.
Political Action Committee filings with the state indicate he was paid almost $7,000 for signature work. Chipman, who doesn't gamble but supports the casino, said no one from Olympia has been in touch.
When asked directly if he was a minority owner, former Lewiston City Councilor Stavros Mendros cited a confidentially clause. He heads a signature-gathering company.
"All I can tell you is that I did run the campaign to get it on the ballot. I signed a non-disclosure form with Seth that carried over to Olympia Gaming as part of my work," he said.
LaMarche, who refused to name partners because she said their identities were shielded as private citizens, acknowledged the non-disclosure form this week.
"These were not people who were tied up and held in the basement. These were people who signed the agreement willingly," she said.
Any prognosticating?
Sides for and against agree that a heavy youth turnout could get the question passed in a state that's repeatedly said no to gambling expansion.
If Question 2 gets approval statewide and in the town of Oxford, the casino would be a go with gaming at a temporary site until the resort is built, LaMarche said. If it passes statewide but not in Oxford, supporters will have until Jan. 1 to woo that town or another in Oxford County. |
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Posted By:Greg at October 12, 2008 9:50 AM (Suggest Removal) Vote Yes on 2 for Maine on Nov 4!! Vote Yes for Oxford County!! Vote Yes for Oxford!! Vote Yes for lower taxes!! Vote Yes for 900-1400 new jobs in the Oxford Hills!!! Vote Yes for a new resort with a great new entertainment venue for top comedians, musicians, magicians, etc.!!! Vote Yes to help Maine college students fund their current or past education!!! Vote Yes for a new resort with a huge conference center to draw thousands of people and companies to Western Maine for special events!! Vote Yes for a state of the art spa!! Vote Yes for $33,000,000.00 in new payroll being spent in the Oxford Hills and through-out Maine!!! Vote Yes for an abundance of new jobs in our towns that allow our children to stay and work in the area they grew up in after they complete their education!!! Vote Yes for new revenue to help seniors pay for ever rising prescription drugs!!! Vote Yes for improving Maine roads and bridges!!! (This money does not go into the general fund for the legislature to rob, but directly to these projects!! Imagine!!) Vote Yes for an additional $50,000,000.00 in revenue to the State of Maine, that does not go into the general fund!!! (this is without creating a new tax that you the worker are forced to pay for!!) No Fear, No Fighting, No Misrepresentations, No Problem!!! Bring it On!!! Git-R-Done!! etc, etc, etc, Vote Yes on 2 for MAINE!!!
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Posted By:30 Year Mil Vet at October 12, 2008 10:44 AM (Suggest Removal) Greg - All I have to say is ditto! Maine needs to attract business and tourist dollars, this is just one of MANY ways to do it...let's stop sending our money to Connecticut! Stop the hand-wringing and protectionism. If you want to find out who is against this...FOLLOW THE MONEY! VOTE YES ON 2! This will be good for Maine as long as the Legislature does not squander this money too!
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Posted By:DILLIGAF at October 12, 2008 11:07 AM (Suggest Removal) Someone is going to be lining their pockets with this money. I'm all for the casino but someone need's to keep an eye out as to where the money goes.
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Posted By:Zack at October 12, 2008 11:44 AM (Suggest Removal) Is anybody even bothering to read this bill? Lowering the age to gamble from 21 to 19? Giving Las Vegas a 10 year monopoly on casinos in Maine? Putting the president of the casino, this guy from Las Vegas, on dozens of state boards, like the University Trustees, FAME, the Oxford County Commissioners? And if casinos are such great "economic development," how come the unemployment rate around Foxwoods is about the same as Oxford County - over 6%? How come there has been NO economic development spin offs in nearby Ledyard, CT, or in Atlantic City? How come the number of court cases is Tunica, Mississippi went from 700 a year to 11,000 a year after casinos came to town?
Casinos are a fraud. VOTE NO ON 2.
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Posted By:ojhuig at October 12, 2008 11:45 AM (Suggest Removal) Why are the tribes refusing to comment? Is someone paying them off?
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Posted By:Chris (Brunswick) at October 12, 2008 12:37 PM (Suggest Removal) Please vote NO on QUESTION 2, as this is a very bad deal for Maine. This citizen initiative will allow Evergreen Mountain Enterprises, LLC, to operate the exclusive gambling facility in the state except for “commercial tracks”, which can have slot machines. Pat LaMarche is touting how the legislature will make all the necessary legal changes, however the legislature is not obligated to make any changes. Thus LaMarche is blatantly misleading the voters of Maine in order to get this initiative passed!
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Posted By:Chris (Brunswick) at October 12, 2008 12:46 PM (Suggest Removal) ojhuig: The tribe involved seemed to feel their initiative was turned down because of bigotry toward the tribes, as well as a lack of understanding among voters of the severe economic problems that have long blighted eastern Washington County. After all those economic problems seem far worse than the town of Oxford is experiencing. The tribe's initiative was also not filled with Seth Carey’s blatant “get rich quick” language, and thus they didn't have to employ someone like Pat LaMarche to lie about how the legislature will fix all the problems if Question 2 passes.
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Posted By:Joe 12-pack at October 12, 2008 12:53 PM (Suggest Removal) "This is a real opportunity, and I swear to God, if someone didn't come to Maine and beat us over the head with the opportunity, we probably wouldn't take it," said Vote Yes spokeswoman Pat LaMarche....what the hell does that mean?! I'd still feel alot more comfortable if I knew who all of the owners were.
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Posted By:Greg at October 12, 2008 12:54 PM (Suggest Removal) It's simple.
Pat Lamarche and Olympia Gaming have a history of telling the truth, following through on promises made and participating in good buisiness practices. Do the research. http://www.olympiagaming.com/
http://www.olympiagroup.com/
Can the same be said for the organizers and spokespeople for Casinos No campaign. I don't think so. I seem to remember some very blatant lies that were told by them during other campaigns. But, they do not wish to rehash old arguements for things that are in the past. How convenient.
I would think that the opponents to the casinos would be happy to have a ten year moritorium on casinos in Maine so they can have some real local facts to base their arguments on.
As the opponents of this resort-spa-casino already know but fail to say, the principals in Vote YEs on 2 for Maine have already been to the veterans and legal affairs committee to discuss changing what is written. Olympia has no desire to change the casino gambling age in Maine. They only want individuals 21 and over working and playing in their casinos.
What is wrong with the guy from Vegas? Do you have any dirt or information on Mr Harrold that the rest of us should know about? He personally has no desire to sit on these boards to act as a watchdog.
The veterans and legal affaris committee had acknowledged that these changes can and will be made on the basic bill when it is passed by the voters.
Do you have anything to back up any of your allegations about the people or businesses that you are running off at the mouth about?
Why are we comparing societies and people of Mississippi and Connecticut with the people and societies of Maine? Lets talk about the Bangor racino, lets talk about the OTB's, lets talk about the para-mutual racing at county fairs, lets talk about the harness racing tracks within the State of Maine. How have they caused or led to any of the things you speak of or are worried about?
As far as I can tell, they have all drawn in tourists, jobs and tax revenue. ALl of which are very badly needed in the State of Maine.
Please Vote YES on 2 for Maine.
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Posted By:Greg at October 12, 2008 1:15 PM (Suggest Removal) Do we know who all of the owners of the Sun Journal are?
What are you afraid of? Or is it jealousy?
Who scares you the most that may have a small ownership piece in a casino?
Do you realize how many federal licenses and permits would be in jeopardy if they aligned with some big scary bogey man?
Do you ask these same questions about ownership or have the same discomfort about unknown owners/partners before you buy a newspaper, a bottle of water, beer or soda? Do you ask these same questions before going to the movies? Do you ask these same question before going to a ski area for the day?
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Posted By:Chris (Brunswick) at October 12, 2008 1:28 PM (Suggest Removal) PS: I'm not an attorney, so the posts above are strictly an amateur opinion of Carey's initiative and Pat LaMarche’s promotion of same.
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Posted By:peter at October 12, 2008 1:35 PM (Suggest Removal) The Passamoquoddys and the Penobscot Tribes were both offered an opportunity to partner in this venture. The Passamquoddys said no becuase they are going in a different direction and the Penobscotts want thier own on Indian Island and could not reach the terms they wanted....this is a fact contact the tribes yourself.
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Posted By:Chris (Brunswick) at October 12, 2008 1:40 PM (Suggest Removal) "truth time": anybody with a reputation to defend wouldn't want to be associated with Question 2, and that's likely why Carey's investors won't come forward.
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Posted By:Jolly Roger at October 12, 2008 2:37 PM (Suggest Removal) VOTE YES on #2 !!!
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Posted By:John at October 12, 2008 2:41 PM (Suggest Removal) Chris: You cut and paste the same lame arguement everytime. 800+ jobs at $35,000 per + benefits vs not knowing 5-6 of the MINORITY, NON-DECISION MAKING members who helped get the initiative on the ballot???? I'll take the jobs thank you.
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Posted By:Jake at October 12, 2008 3:27 PM (Suggest Removal) John,
If you read the article closely you'll see the avg, pay of $35,000 is for a select few managers which for any other corporation would be under paid. The bulk of the jobs will be $18,368 a year. I was going to vote yes, but have changed to no since I have read the article and have seen the hidden agenda.
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Posted By:peter at October 12, 2008 3:29 PM (Suggest Removal) Chris: The people you reference are not "investors" as not a dime was put in by them....look at the pac reports it would have to be reported....they were given very small pieces of equity as Carey had no money to pay them very early in the process. They have a very small equity stake, no decision making, they all signed non disclosures which is SOP around any business transactions and cannot come forward....really who cares.....only Casino No shills which you seem to be.
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Posted By:peter at October 12, 2008 3:35 PM (Suggest Removal) Chris.....by the way I know becuase I am one of them!!!!!!!!
Even if I could come forward, I would not...I would not subject myself and my family to the whitch hunt mentality that you, the LSJ and others want to prescribe.....I have 1/2 of 1% of this project for months of sweat equity and you know something...I deserve it !
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Posted By:Chad at October 12, 2008 4:23 PM (Suggest Removal) LMAO Greg at you claiming Pat Lamarche has a history of telling the truth. She's a complete fool and probably the worst PR person for this company. I'd rather listen to Clifford Drake yack about Starburst candies than listen to Pat Lamarche try to claim casino players will stay in-state. Even with Hollywood Slots, Maine residents still head South. Over 90% of Penn National's revenues from Hollywood Slots still come from Maine residents, not tourists. The ever-ending lie of 800 high paying jobs is exactly that..a lie. Go look at Hollywood Slots help wanted ads with listings for $8 per hour. It's possible to make $35k from tips which is something Pat leaves out. I'm all for a casino in Western or Southern Maine, just not with these fools involved. Go back, correct the gaming law in advance instead of this shady "we'll fix it after..wink wink" crap.
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Posted By:ojhuig at October 12, 2008 4:54 PM (Suggest Removal) I've been on the fence forever but I think I am going to have to vote no. I would vote yes if it was for the Indians, because that money would stay in state. I have no desire to send all that money out of state for a bunch of people to be under-employed at 18K.
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Posted By:Greg at October 12, 2008 5:04 PM (Suggest Removal) ojhuig: I don't see what you are referring to in relation to wages: "If you read the article closely you'll see the avg, pay of $35,000 is for a select few managers which for any other corporation would be under paid. The bulk of the jobs will be $18,368 a year."
The article specifically says: "one-third of its anticipated 907 jobs, positions in food and beverage, would pay an average $18,368 a year, according to Barrow. The facility average, from general manager to the sparkle team (the name of the cleaning crew at Olympia's Fandango casino in Carson City, Nev.), would be $35,876."
Those numbers are plus benefits.
As for sending all of the money out of state. Do the math.... $100,000,000.00 in revenue. $50,000,000.00 to the State of Maine, $33,000,000.00 to employees in wages. Another $10,000,000.00 in benefits for those employees. Where again is all of the money from the revenue going?
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Posted By:Greg at October 12, 2008 5:16 PM (Suggest Removal) Chad:
Can you back anything you say up with facts? We definitely see your personal opinion, which is fine, but just because you say it, does not make it so.
Is it possible that the higher paying jobs at Hollywood slots are all taken at the moment?
The description I heard direct from the Dean Harrold was that the wait staff pay would be in the neighborhood of $18,000.00 per year. Plus tips (avg 21%) plus full time fringe benefits. Those numbers are much higher than the state average for the same type jobs, of which most don't get full time fringe benefits.
Oxford county needs every job it can get. Regardless of pay. Sure is nice someone wants to bring 900 decent paying jobs with benefits though.
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Posted By:Chad at October 12, 2008 6:29 PM (Suggest Removal) Greg, the wage info was from comments made by Hollywood Slots during a Penn National conference call when they announced they were not being bought out. However, that wage issue was still while the racino was located at Miller's. We'll see if they increase wages now that they are in a larger building. Tips also come from a split with dealers and that depends on the daily take. I'm all for jobs, but it irks me with some of the people involved. People who would never get licensed in Nevada or New Jersey.
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Posted By:Chad at October 12, 2008 6:35 PM (Suggest Removal) ojhuig..just curious, but how did you vote during the Calais racino...and the Sanford casino votes?
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Posted By:ojhuig at October 12, 2008 7:35 PM (Suggest Removal) Up til now I have abstained on every statewide vote on casinos. At this point I would vote yes on an Indian casino though.
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Posted By:ojhuig at October 12, 2008 7:35 PM (Suggest Removal) Greg, averages are an interesting thing. It doesn't mean MOST of them. One guy making 6 figures can totally skew the average.
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Posted By:John at October 12, 2008 7:39 PM (Suggest Removal) "One guy making 6 figures can totally skew the average"......LOL! How bout 20 guys making 100k? That is 2 million in wages lowering the ave of 35K to 33.3k + benefits per employee. What are you going to say next to support your claim that one guy will make 28 million and the rest will work for free?
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Posted By:dr. dosh at October 12, 2008 7:50 PM (Suggest Removal) . .ßuild it . .they will c o m e " http://www.reinstated.org =)
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Posted By:Chad at October 12, 2008 7:58 PM (Suggest Removal) That's what Yonkers, Vernon Downs, and Tioga Downs thought too...
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Posted By:Greg at October 12, 2008 8:12 PM (Suggest Removal) Chad you are against the resort-spa-casino in Oxford, that we know.
Do you have any facts to back up anything you have to say against it?
Try this link to an article in the portland press herald. It seems to debunk a large "percentage" of your statements:
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story_pf.php?id=212420&ac=PHedi
Don't let facts get in the way of your opposition to capitalism and economic growth, keep throwing out your comments and we will continue to respond.
Vote YES on 2 for Maine!!!
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Posted By:ALLAN at October 12, 2008 8:23 PM (Suggest Removal) I'm voting yes, but, the question is doomed to fail because of all the extra baggage it carries. Lower the gambling age?, allow a non-resident to sit on numerous state boards? (boards of what?). As much as this dirt poor state needs it, it's doomed to fail.
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Posted By:Greg at October 12, 2008 8:44 PM (Suggest Removal) If you pay attention to the facts, those are not real issues.
WGME-13 is conducting a poll about the casino right now. It is at 72 percent yes and 26 percent no. http://www.wgme.com/newsroom/poll/news_results.shtml
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Posted By:Chad at October 13, 2008 11:51 AM (Suggest Removal) Greg, if you had some comprehension, you would clearly see that I am for a resort casino but not with this group. As for the Press Herald, I'll e-match your knowledge of casinos any day. My business partner was the first casino manager at Playboy casinos, a recent consultant to Sheldon Adelson, and I have worked on previous gaming attempts including trying to purchase a parcel in Vegas with the Passamaquoddy Tribe. Capitalism and Economic Growth? LMAO. I recently brought a huge deal to the State Treasurer and his advisor took six weeks to return a response. I am far from against economic growth. This casino effort is a farce starting with the piss-poor gaming rules being set forth. It takes all of 24 to 48 hours to amend the current rules...so why not do so?
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Posted By:Greg at October 13, 2008 10:15 PM (Suggest Removal) I call bull!!
You can try to spin this any way you want.
Sounds like jealousy to me. You only support an endeavor where you are the direct beneficiary.
You also know the lie you are spinning about taking 24-48 hours to ammend this referendum. Not possible before the election at this point of the process.
I am unlcear what the State Treasurers dealyed response to you on what you consider a huge deal has to do with your opposition to this citizen initiative. Maybe your deal wasn't as huge as you had hoped?
E-match away!! So far all you have given us is your bloviating about how much you know and why you don't want this to happen, but you have shown no facts to back up your attacks.
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