maine artist, i paint landscapes using rocks collected from that landscape
western maine is my home, i was born here and still live here, off the grid.
Any property owner with-in 2 miles of Black Mountain should express their opinion at the polls.
Dan, DEP would have you talk with IFWL with your knowledge. Do not kill the mountain tops. We need them
Good Job everyone.
At least a mile set-back because 3 sound modeling maps of the area, Spruce, Saddleback and Canton show 35-45 dBA at one mile....45dBA being the Gamesa 2.75 MW, 35 dBA = 2MW Gamesa.
You guessed it. The turbines are getting taller and larger and the DEP codes are not addressing this issue.
And thanks for saving the bats and birds too. alice mckay barnett - a wind warrior
if the ordinance is too restrictive...Tom Carroll said...."We will leave."
Clark/Donahue ordinance has a set back of 4000 feet from an occupied home. 11.1
Dixfield's code enforcement officer did the leg work and searched deeds and land and reported back to committee on how many property owners needed to be bought out.
Patriot's renewable loved it....
Any ordinance should have at least a one mile set-back to property lines because sound modeling maps show 35-45 dBA at one mile. 35 dBA exceeds the quiet rural area.of the common road. Complaints from neighbors of other IWF are from miles away.
In Dixfield's case, one mile set-back will include more property owners. Now the decision is not laid in four people's hands.
see all the yellow squares? They are property owners against the proposed WIND project in Dixfield. I colored in at 1000 more acres last night. Thank You citizens of the Common, Canton Point, Severy Hill area. I know it was one more meeting when nothing got done. Don't give up.
GRID scale WIND. Our bald eagles are threatened.
Our hydrology in our mountain ridges, blasted and poisoned.
Our electricity rates, sky rocketing due to RGGI and RPS and Transmission up grades..
Our tourism. See Bowers.
Our land devalued...on and on and on and on. Do people recreate around Hawaii's wind farms? Exclaim over the natural bauty?
the king and me
Crash Barry’s Angus beef
By Crash Barry
Despite what his campaign will try to tell you this year, Angus King is not a populist or an environmentalist. And he wasn’t a very good governor. King’s a lawyer/banker/plutocrat one-percenter who tries to mask his cold corporate values with folksy charm. The U.S. Senate is already full of phonies like King. We don’t need to elect another one
The MPUC reported on February 13, 2012 that the first six months of the Rollins
contract added $953,000 in above market costs to electric rates (~ $1.9 million per year).
2. Transmission restraints will need to be eliminated so that Maine wind generation can
reach the New England market. The Western Maine Renewable Integration Study
(WMRIS) determined that integrating an additional 743 MW of wind in addition to the
362 MW of existing generation in the region would require a transmission investment of
$553 million. While there is a total of 400 MW of potential wind development in the
Maine Public Service (MPS) service area in northern Maine, there will need to be a
transmission investment needed to “connect” to the ISO-NE system.
deforestation of carbon sequesting trees, herbiciding new growth along thousands of miles of transmission lines. that is what GRID scale WIND is doing to MAINE...STOP GRID scale WIND. Earth first.
On May 29, 1997, Governor Angus S. King signed into law a bill to restructure the state's electric power industry. As of March 1, 2000, the state's investor-owned utilities will no longer own power plants. These utilities will continue to be regulated as transmission and distribution providers, and retail customers will be able to choose their electricity provider in a competitive market. Recovery of stranded costs has been referred to the PUC for adjudicatory proceedings by July 1, 1999.
The law establishes a renewable portfolio standard as a component of power provider licensing, which requires each competitive electricity provider to include no less than 30% of its supply from renewable resources, including hydro. The law also requires the PUC to establish information disclosure standards for competitive electricity providers so that consumers can make informed market choices and to establish a program allowing retail customers to make voluntary contributions to fund renewables-related research and development (R&D).
PLEASE WRITE TO YOUR LEGISLATORS AND TELL THEM TO STOP THIS FOLLY
Gouged by the Wind Renewable fuel mandates are raising electricity prices in the states. May 4, 2012
Politicians keep promising to reduce energy prices, but they keep ignoring one easy step: repeal renewal energy standards. Twenty-nine states have these rules requiring local utilities to purchase between 20% and 33% of their electric power from renewable sources. They were enacted over the past decade when lawmakers bought into the fad about cheap "clean energy." Their real effect has been to force utilities to pay above-market prices for electricity, which means higher electric bills for consumers.
No state has learned that lesson the hard way more than Minnesota. In 2007 the legislature mandated that utilities ramp up their renewables to 12% this year and 25% by 2025.
The Minnesota Rural Electric Association, which represents about 50 small utilities serving about 650,000 rural residents, reports that its members lost more than $70 million in 2011 because of the high cost of wind power. "Right now we're paying for wind power we don't need, we can't use and can't sell," says association executive director Mark Glaess.
Kibby uses Vestas V90's.....and for many months now we have heard rumors coming out of the Eustis area that the Kibby Project is having massive gearbox/generator problems.
" Vestas said it was earmarking an additional 40 million euros to pay for extra maintenance, repair or replacement of malfunctioning bearings in the gearboxes of 376 of its V90 turbines"
Vestas Slumps as Loss Almost Doubles on Wind Turbine Faults
sound modeling maps are proving to be wrong. Ask Concord Pond, Roxbury Pond,Vinal Haven, Mars Hill, Beaver Ridge, Tug Hill, Ontario, Australia.
State of Maine calls 42 decibals the normal noise. No . Rural residents hear about 20 dBA. 42 dBA is more than twice as loud. vote for your ordinance, keep your peace and property values. thank you amb
EDP Renewables North America is holding an open house May 22 to promote wind power development.
Erickson said Maine Revenue Services would send a representative to a public hearing to clear up misunderstandings on the real tax impact of wind farms
How can the US Government report 45 decibels as the humming of a refrigerator?
How close to the fridge? What make? etc....
Rural Maine hears about 20 decibels at night. 45 decibels is over 4 times that noise or more. Each 6 decibels is almost doubling the sound.
They say turbines sound like airplanes never landing. A far cry from an airplane flying over. It will be bothersome as we are used to rural quiet but at least it ends.
The Public Utilities Commission said yes to hundreds of millions of your tax dollars spent on a failed Industry. WIND = 75% does NOT blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and 5% draw from GRID.
Wind pits industry against industry, environmentalists against environmentalists, and creates new and surprising enemies and allies. The Wind Industry calls this THE SPLIT.
We are facing an environmental crisis resulting from burning fossil fuels. WIND does not sequester Carbon, trees do. .and WIND requires clearcutting and herbiciding.
The benefits of expanding wind generation are NOT worth the visual impact. Not when it effects tourism. 70,000 visitors to Mt. Blue have an expectancy of seeing scenic viewshed. WIND is basically stating that Mt Blue State Park is not valued for its scenic character. Maine is highly valued for its scenic viewsheds.
You state, " It makes sense to develop alternative energy sources that could ease the burden on energy users if there is a gas price increase." Massachusetts is the energy user, not Maine and Hydro Quebec can supply their power needs. Lift the ban on hydro; there are never any fuel costs with water.
WIND industry's investment in Maine is your tax dollars funding out of state developers.
WIND industry does pollute the air. Radars cannot determine a storm from a WIND farm. Oh the dead things blowing through.
You call WIND industry a massive development.and then try to say no "adverse visual impact" Boston is insatiable it will take more than thousands and thousands of turbines to keep the lives Urbanites lead.
WIND is not the answer to Maine's energy problem because Massachusetts has the problem.
Boston is insatiable and Hydro from Canada will take care of them. Hydro really is GREEN.
The Public Utilities Commission said yes to hundreds of millions of your tax dollars spent on a failed Industry. WIND = 75% does NOT blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and 5% draw from GRID.
Wind pits industry against industry, environmentalists against environmentalists, and creates new and surprising enemies and allies. The Wind Industry calls this THE SPLIT.
We are facing an environmental crisis resulting from burning fossil fuels. WIND does not sequester Carbon, trees do. .and WIND requires clearcutting and herbiciding.
The benefits of expanding wind generation are NOT worth the visual impact. Not when it effects tourism. 70,000 visitors to Mt. Blue have an expectancy of seeing scenic viewshed. WIND is basically stating that Mt Blue State Park is not valued for its scenic character. Maine is highly valued for its scenic viewsheds.
You state, " It makes sense to develop alternative energy sources that could ease the burden on energy users if there is a gas price increase." Massachusetts is the energy user, not Maine and Hydro Quebec can supply their power needs. Lift the ban on hydro; there are never any fuel costs with water.
WIND industry's investment in Maine is your tax dollars funding out of state developers.
WIND industry does pollute the air. Radars cannot determine a storm from a WIND farm. Oh the dead things blowing through.
You call WIND industry a massive development.and then try to say no "adverse visual impact" Boston is insatiable it will take more than thousands and thousands of turbines to keep the lives Urbanites lead.
WIND is not the answer to Maine's energy problem because Massachusetts has the problem.
Boston is insatiable and Hydro from Canada will take care of them. Hydro really is GREEN.
It is weird that PRO WIND lawyer firms are used by WIND ordinance committees.
What is the slant? It seems a WIND ordinance is just that. STOP the destruction of Maine's scenic vistas. Save the health and welfare of property owners with-in 2 miles of turbines.
Voters need to know they are voting OUT wind turbines in their town with ordinances. An ordinance vote should be a NO WIND vote.
One person objected because Hamilton worked for a firm that has represented some wind power companies, including EDP Renewables North America LLC of Houston, Texas. That company received a permit in October 2011 to place a meteorological test tower off Black Mountain Road near the Sumner town line. It is considering building possibly 25 to 35 turbines, a representative told the committee in February.
The Public Utilities Commission said yes to hundreds of millions of your tax dollars spent on a failed Industry. WIND = 75% does NOT blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and 5% draw from GRID.
Wind pits industry against industry, environmentalists against environmentalists, and creates new and surprising enemies and allies. The Wind Industry calls this THE SPLIT.
We are facing an environmental crisis resulting from burning fossil fuels. WIND does not sequester Carbon, trees do. .and WIND requires clearcutting and herbiciding.
The benefits of expanding wind generation are NOT worth the visual impact. Not when it effects tourism. 70,000 visitors to Mt. Blue have an expectancy of seeing scenic viewshed. WIND is basically stating that Mt Blue State Park is not valued for its scenic character. Maine is highly valued for its scenic viewsheds.
You state, " It makes sense to develop alternative energy sources that could ease the burden on energy users if there is a gas price increase." Massachusetts is the energy user, not Maine and Hydro Quebec can supply their power needs. Lift the ban on hydro; there are never any fuel costs with water.
WIND industry's investment in Maine is your tax dollars funding out of state developers.
WIND industry does pollute the air. Radars cannot determine a storm from a WIND farm. Oh, the dead things blowing through.
You call WIND industry a massive development.and then try to say no "adverse visual impact" Boston is insatiable it will take more than thousands and thousands of turbines to keep the lives Urbanites lead.
WIND is not the answer to Maine's energy problem because Massachusetts has the problem.
Boston is insatiable and Hydro from Canada will take care of them. Hydro really is GREEN.
King Angus has already committed the greatest crime against the mother.
He blasted her life blood on Record Hill in Roxbury. He feeds her life blood herbicides. He slices her winged babies.
In other words, if the property met all of the above requirements, the owner would see a cumulative reduction of up to 95% on the classified land.
So a GRID scale WIND developer buys huge tracts of land. They open this land to hikers, snowmobilers, et. al. They declare it forever wild and permanently protected. This will offset tax valuations on the already excelerated depreciation of turbine parts.
The four men generally agreed on most of the topics. For example, each said the country needs to boost domestic energy production but not subsidize alternative sources, such as wind and solar, that are not cost-effective on their own.
Hydro Quebec deal is good because instead of thousands of failed GRID scale WIND TURBINES on our ice-age eco system mountain tops we can ship right through our state to the insatiable Bostonians.
75% WIND does not blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and a 5% draw from GRID to keep mechanism running.
I have lived off grid for 12 years. Hydro Quebec is greener than wind. If you trust your government go ahead, stay on the Grid. But, do not destroy our way of life.
Sutton said Roxbury's current tax rate is $16.86 per thousand dollars of valuation. But with the wind company now added to the tax rolls, he said that rate will drop to $7.62 per thousand dollars of valuation should town meeting voters OK everything in the warrant as written.
You kill the state of Maine by destroying habitat, killing birds and mammals, fragmenting habitat, closing land [Mars Hill, Highland, Roxbury, all gated, and more to come], you destroy the wild areas and scenery that brings in both tourists and those looking to buy homes/land, and you raise electric prices, which hurts both homeowners and businesses. Tourism is $10 Billion per year to the State---the largest industry we have ever had, and those tourists are already starting to go elsewhere because of wind development.
property devaluation; with-in sight......with-in hearing there is abandonment, sold-out, relocated.......
Split the town in half...those that stand to make money and those that don't....see WINDFALL...at least the trailors.
Maine has acidic rock on mountain tops...each blast cracks the fractures. While sulfur is harmless, it is hard to convince some one to drink the smell.
Clear cuts on the very apex of erosion. Herbicides added to this high point. All runs down hill wether in a contolled erosion or not.
Rotor Sweep Zone kills all in it's path. Weather radar cannot tell if what they see is a storm or turbines.
more to come....please join windtaskforce.com for a compilation of 3 years of digging into the background of Industrial Wind.
follow the money.
AND AND all this money goes to Boston based LLCs. except King Angus
what about folks in Byron that see and hear them? nope, none for you.
Roxbury Lake property tax payers, how does it feel to have your federal and town taxes spent on King Angus?
ah, the selectmen have already stated why they chose home and not property line for a set back.
all you 300+ property owners with-in 2 miles of the Colonel Holman pay attention to this ordinance.
King Angus thinks nothing of destroying the lives of people in the Byron/Roxbury area of MAINE.
King Angus sought and received subsidies and loan guarantees from your tAX DOLLARS.
He promised free electricity to poor folks in Roxbury. He did not tell them they would pay taxes on this gift and possibly lose other services because the income puts them over the limit.
WIND = 75% does not blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and sucks from the GRID 5%. WIND is a failure.
yet, Mars Hill needed a waiver to operate at 50 dBA nightime noise.
Vinal Haven is proven "out of compliance"
Spruce Mountain has Noise Reduction Operation.
Record Hill is getting complaints 2 miles away.
The developer will fix noise complaints by shutting the turbines down. When turbines are not working, they are not saving anybody anything. Projects such as Saddleback Ridge shows 34 "receptors" are going to hear 45 dBA. DEP marches right along in accepting this project knowing full well the machines will be shut down.
Developer walks away with the money and blames the citizen for complaining.
"DEP operates without any specific "process guidance"....the process is at the discretion of the DEP commisiioner." Aho.
I attended a DEP public meeting 3/22 in Canton about Canton Mountain Wind Project.
The purpose of the meeting was to ask questions of the permit process. But, it seems there were no answers.
Questions on Bald Eagles were defferred to DIFW.
Questions on Noise Complaint Protocol could not be answered.
The crowd heard interpetation of Maine Laws by the lawyer representing Patriot Renewables, the developer.
Basically, the Wind Energy Statutes are loosely interpeted and many definitions need to evolve. Such as the adverse scenic impact to Mt. Blue State Park. This park welcomes over 70,000 visitors a year, yet Patriot Renewables' survey of 22 hikers is the only basis of determining "no adverse scenic impact".
It is hard to get answers.
Approximately 60 percent of both night and day targets had mean heights within the RSZ and
approximately 80 percent of median target heights occurred within the RSZ heights during both nights
and days in the fall 2010 sampling period. page 24 7- avian studies CMWP dep
An example of that is the three-and-a-half-year process in which the wind industry collaborated with a broad group of stakeholders.
Yeah, and you left out the real stakeholder. The "receptors" on the sound modeling maps. The property owners with-in 2 miles of turbine centers. None of these people were involved in the process until they were told "It is a done deal" by their selectmen.
I thought Killing a Bald Eagle, or for that matter, possessing a Bald Eagle feather is against the Federal Law.
Canton Mountain Wind Project avian studies site bald eagles flying into the Rotor Sweep Zone along with another site of 80% of birds flying into RSZ. 50%, 60% fly into RSZ. Is IFW really going to accept this?
the photo simulation shown to these hikers is no way a reality shot. In fact, Mike, you make me think. Were the photo simulation of the smaller, orignal turbines? mmmmmm
I turned in 11 signatures, Hart Daley turned in 85 signatures and freemont Tibbetts turned in 45 or so. I believe over 30 people signed the petition at the Movie "Windfall" alone.
The state Department of Environmental Protection said the signs are not allowed in the shoreland zone and must come down.
Man O Man, the DEP is so aware of the environment. It will turn it's head and not watch ice-age eco systems be fragmented on mountain top ridges but it worrys about a sign.
that King will issue his free 500kw electricity money to Roxbury residents in quarterly or yearly amounts.
The amount can not be accepted by any one receiving food stamps as the check will disqualify them.
I attended a DEP public meeting 3/22 in Canton about Canton Mountain Wind Project.
The purpose of the meeting was to ask questions of the permit process. But, it seems there were no answers.
Questions on Bald Eagles were defferred to DIFW.
Questions on Noise Complaint Protocol could not be answered.
The crowd heard interpetation of Maine Laws by the lawyer representing Patriot Renewables, the developer.
Basically, the Wind Energy Statutes are loosely interpeted and many definitions need to evolve. Such as the adverse scenic impact to Mt. Blue State Park. This park welcomes over 70,000 visitors a year, yet Patriot Renewables' survey of 22 hikers is the only basis of determining "no adverse scenic impact".
It is hard to get answers.
Rotor Sweep Zone. The circle the 185 foot blades make. 185 + 185 = 370 foot crcle of bird killing blades reaching 200 miles per hour at tip. Slicing and dicing.
horizon line is an uninterupted line your eye travels along the ridges.
Western Maine's ridge lines are glaciated and very fragile. Ice age eco-systems exist because Skidders could not climb the ledges. Fresh water and vernal pools exist near the tops. While ski areas may destroy these, a ski area is an economic engine providing hundreds of jobs.
Approximately 60% of both nights and days had mean target heights within the
RSZ heights,
and more than 80% of median target heights occurred within the
RSZ heights during the fall 2010 sampling period. (page 7-20 CMWP)
Of the five bald eagles observed, four (three adults, one
juvenile) flew through the Project Area. One of the adults flew within RSZ elevations. (page 7-22 CMWP)
Approximately 60% of both nights and days had mean target heights within the
RSZ heights, and more than 80% of median target heights occurred within the
RSZ heights during the fall 2010 sampling period.
Is it true that in 2002 you promoted the Tumbledown Conservation effort while maine governor and at the ceremony you said, “ "Western Maine's panoramic vistas in the Mt. Blue and Tumbledown region will be protected for future generations and I'm grateful for the many players who made today's exciting announcement possible.”
7. Is it true that all of the 22 Record Hill turbines will now be highly visible feature on the landscape when viewed from the peak of Tumbledown Mt?
Is it true that you will receive a 30%, or approximately $40 million ARRA grant “rebate” from the federal government when your Record Hill project is completed instead of a 2.1 cents per kW production tax credit for 10 years?
is usually hired by GRID scale WIND developers to study wildlife.
Stantec, Tetra-tech et.al. can convince any one of anything with their elaborate photos and graphs.
Canandian Geese are flying over right now. Where is their migratory path? Some sight them on Colonel Holman, some on Webb river. It seems the mountains of Canton, Colonel Holman and Saddleback Ridge are smack in the middle.
No geese in peru? No eagles?? We need to help these companies in their studies. Record wildlife as you know it before turbines.
selectmen, when did you first talk to WIND LLC?
Stakeholders, when were you notified a GRID scale WIND project was being proposed?
I believe these WIND LLCs are talking to DEP years before an abutting land owner is notified. The LLC's are assured they can pass all statutes of the expedited WIND LAW.
Due process is being left out all the way. Make an ordinance committee now.
Sound modelings are not accurate.
In reality complaints are heard from people over 2 miles away.
Sound modeling maps show 40 dba at one mile from turbine.
60 dba is 18 over the new Maine sound ruling recently passed in legislature. @ 42 dba
Sound modeling is not accurate in reality.
Complaints are made over 2 miles away.
250 foot turbine 262 feet from property line. even the DEP requires 1 and half times height of tower. Please Farmington, in order to save Western Maine from thousands of turbines, as far as the eye can see, we need to ordinance them out.
“Imagine that someone built a power plant that set your heater to 97 degrees year-round, randomly cut off your water for hours or days on end and placed a giant, impassable wall through the center of your home ... “
imagine if someone blasted the fresh water pool on your ice age eco-system, draining the water for ever? Then dug a road cut that is impassible as a trail now. Then clearcut and herbicided my food. Then erected this huge air sucking machine that my feathered friends cannot fly by.
Over and over again, thousands of these , as far as the eye can see.
From Vinal Haven to Mars Hill and now Spruce Mountain and Roxbury; GRID scale WIND farms are emitting noises louder than predicted by sound modeling.
Local Ordinances need to address NOISE, infra and audible.
Noise ruling passed in legislature yesterday calling for statewide noise acceptance at 42 dbc as opposed to 45 before.
Sound modeling maps of Saddleback Ridge Wind Project shows 24 "receptors" are going to hear 42 dbc. They are more than likely to hear louder as the sound modeling is faulty in the real world.
With all the revenue sources Efficiancy maine gets, no wonder the Governor wants this budget process accountable.
a poor person can not use EM, while companies can afford their own improvements. Companies are the ones using EM. They are in business to make money. Companies have staff to write the grants.
Land in the basin in South Carthage Maine now has what is called encumbered property.
A wilton town assessor said no one with an investment in mind will buy the property.
Other property with-out leases but abutt these encumbered properties is what he called burdened.
Watch the Movie WINDFALL and ask yourself the same question the property owners on Tug Hill asked the audience. "Would you spend your money on my home if you had the financing to buy elsewhere?"
A buyer of a Dixfield Common road property walked with just the hint a project may abutt them.
Have you seeen these things a mile away? Would you want one in your back yard?
I personally am negatively affected by one of these projects since I am an abutter to one. My wife and I recently built our dream home only to find out thru the grapevine that a commercial wind project was going to be built nearly in our backyard. As the result of this project our new home, which we invested our retirement funds to build, has been devalued significantly due to the construction of this project. Problem is that we have no recourse due to Maine’s expedited permitting law. It’s almost like we don’t exist. Currently there are hundreds of Maine’s citizens in the same situation with thousands more to come as the target number of 4000 turbines progresses. Indeed, A wind turbine is coming to a mountain top near you soon.. I will be challenging the constitutionality of this statute in the court’s for it’s total failure of Due Process for negatively affected citizens. Hopefully, this action will end up in the Federal court’s where we can have some assurance of fairness. There was no notification nor public hearing permitted for those like my wife and I due to the expedited permitting law. The project owners and Maine DEP have engaged in ex parte communications since well before knowledge of the project was made public. Only in Maine can a Governor (Angus King) use one’s office to enrich one self and it be considered lawful. Unbelievable!!!!!!!
Due to my knowledge of your sense of fairness and right, I urge you to submit a bill in the Legislature that would require owners of commercial wind projects to have to compensate owners of properties that realize a devaluation of their homes as a direct result of such projects. I feel as if I have had my pocket picked, not twice but three times by these projects owners. First by public funding, secondly by greatly increased energy rates and lastly by robbing the equity of our homes by devaluation due to their projects. My God, Is This Really America Any More. Tell me again what it was that we were told why the old Soviet Union was so bad to it’s citizens.......................................
you are one of the very few in Augusta that can and would help a growing number of Maine’s citizens that are getting destroyed financially by Maine’s expedited Wind Power Permitting Statute. As you must know the target for development of 4000 industrial wind turbines on Maine’s mountain tops is current policy of the State of Maine. If one takes a look at a topographical map of our state it is painfully apparent that this policy will result in the permanent destruction of nearly every mountain top in our state. I find this totally unacceptable due to the irreversible changes that will be made to the basic character of the entire state which will have profound negative effects for generations of Maine’s citizens. National studies have found that energy produced by commercial wind projects is the single most costly form of energy production. Indeed, energy produced by commercial wind turbines averages at nearly $4.00 per kilowatt vs. current costs by other green generating methods which produce energy and traditional methods which are about $0.15 per kilowatt. These projects could not exist without massive amounts of public funds. Citizen electrical rates will have to sky-rocket to unimaginable levels to sustain production by commercial wind energy. The citizens have their pockets picked twice for this insanity. First to fund these projects then to pay for the energy produced at excessively high rates.
Peru has an ordinance committee that cares. They are doing their homework and as the movie showed, they are learning things the WIND industry will not tell them.
Dixfield has citizens that care.
Over 30 ordinances in Maine . Come on politicians, get the drift.
Us 5,6,7,8,9,10 th generation Mainers have struggled for generations.
GRID scale WIND is a scam. We hold onto our acreage because of it's beauty, not, because it makes us money.
When did you start collecting taxes on this project?
Most property owners would pay on any improvements that year?
Did Angus King pay for the improved roads for 2 years?
I also hear that the electrical 500 kwh payments will be quarterly and some fixed income people will not be able to accept Angus's gift.
Why? It will dis qualify them from other services. If this is true , Angus knew it.
There was no notification nor public hearing permitted for those like my wife and I due to the expedited permitting law. The project owners and Maine DEP have engaged in ex parte communications since well before knowledge of the project was made public. Only in Maine can a Governor (Angus King) use one’s office to enrich one self and it be considered lawful. Unbelievable!!!!!!!
Trojan batteries are still storing power 50 years later.
I have lived off the GRID 12 years and counting. I do not use my generator any more.
You want Government take care of you. Good Luck Jason.
This has been great for jobs, laugh out loud,,, in Sheffield, from a 60 million dollar project, we got 3 part time jobs... and we lost 60 when a private school closed next to the wind project because of the noise.., what a waste of taxpayers money.
School is less than a mile from turbines,,, The school paid a million dollars a year in salaries and another million
in goods and services to the community,,, oh, and 50,000 a year in taxes. They were part of the fight against the towers and paid legal fees to oppose before the PSB... this is just one business...
ah Auburn is flat and has no NIMBY problems. If the southern half of Maine took some real hikes and looked around they would change their minds about WIND.
If every resident in Maine hooked up with an on-site solar system then real GREEN is happening.
On site systems would save you money and the earth.
I read solar flares are going to mess with the GRID. Good luck Jason.
Angus King thinks that GRID scale Industrial WIND is good for Maine's ice age eco-systems on our mountain tops.
Angus King set himself up in the name of "GREEN" He should recuse himself from all public office.
Mainers, do you really want to see thousands and thousands of Turbines?
.• On a motion from Mrs. Harvey and a second from Mr. Gill, the Board voted unanimously to remove the ballot question from the Special Town
Meeting ballot warrant. The ballot removed stated: “Shall an ordinance
entitled WIND ENERGY FACILITY ORDINANCE FOR THE TOWN
OF DIXFIELD as proposed by the Dixfield Wind Ordinance Committee,
be enacted?”
c. Wind Ordinance – Patriot Renewables: Tom Carroll, Project Coordinator
for Patriot Renewables, LLC, brought to the Board several concerns that were
found by his lawyers regarding the proposed Wind Energy Facility Ordinance for
the Town of Dixfield. The ordinance was supposed to be neutral to development,
but it will become impossible for any wind project to take place due to the
following:
• In the definition for a WEFU (Wind Energy Facility Unit), the committee
included roads and power lines in the definition and required a four
thousand (4,000’) foot set-back from any home which makes it physically
impossible to do any project.
• The committee used a four thousand (4,000’) foot set-back to include a
survey of wetlands. The State of Maine standard is a one hundred twentyfive (125’) foot set-back, and Patriot Renewables does not own property
four thousand (4,000’) feet from every turbine. The company cannot be
responsible for surveying property they do not own.
• The C-Weighted Standard for noise is written with 45-55 DBA (Decipal
A-Weighted Scale) and is different than the C-Weighted Scale; the CWeighted Scale has no standard.
Selectman Donahue stated that the town
could not gear the project to just five (5)
landowners and “torpedo” the whole project. Five people could not govern the
entire
town.
. Selectman Donahue agreed with
Selectman Clarke that four people was not a fair depiction of the town’s
wishes in
dictating if the project would go forward or not.
They did their homework. Their ordinance would exclude any landowners 4000 feet away.
In other words, the 300+ property owners with-in 2 miles from this project do not count.
Jason, show the link to original survey.
First Wind paid for the Wind question. but the other results show 55% of survey takers do not really know and want more education.
Windfall Movie a documentary of turbines in a small town. Dixfield, this Sunday at 2 pm.
Jason, show the link to original survey.
First Wind paid for the Wind question. but the other results show 55% of survey takers do not really know and want more education.
Windfall Movie a documentary of turbines in a small town. Dixfield, this Sunday at 2 pm.
Also during the meeting, Dan McKay of Dixfield asked if the board had intentions of moving forward with a wind ordinance he presented last month.
McKay said if the board wasn't going to take action, he would start a petition to have the ordinance placed on the ballot in June.
"I would rather have it go to the people, to petition it and have it vote on," he said.
Town Manager Eugene Skibitsky advised the board and McKay that he believed because the town had already voted on the issue of drafting a wind ordinance, selectman may not have to honor a petition on the matter.
McKay said he believes it is still an important issue and since the previous town vote many citizens have educated themselves about wind projects.
McKay said he hopes to hold multiple informational meetings about the ordinance during the petition process so others can educate themselves about wind power.
Selectmen Norine Clarke and Steve Donahue questioned if McKay had received legal help when writing the ordinance. McKay said he had not but would, if needed.
Clarke and Donahue had previously drafted an ordinance and said the time and funding for the project was high due to a need for legal advice.
Selectman Malcolm Gill said if he was to support any wind ordinance, it would be the one Clarke and Donahue had drafted.
McKay was also asked if there was a committee that helped to create the ordinance. He said he was the sole author but he had received help from various persons and had conducted a large amount of research on the topic.
The board decided to take no action and to allow McKay to start a petition.
Jon Hinck is married to Juliet Brown who is the lawyer for GRID scale WIND. GRID scale WIND will ruin Maine. Thousands and thousands of them as far as the eye can see.
Kill the mandates for WIND and start saving.
Windfall Movie, a documentary of WIND turbines in a small town.
Dixfield High School, Sunday March 4, 2012 at 2 pm. FREE admission.
An education of GRID scale Wind turbines, please join us.
It seems that state government wants development and GRID scale WIND turbines. Governor is finding ways to allow developement in Unorganized Territories as well as giving GRID scale WIND permitting to DEP, through out the UT.
DEP has not denied a permit yet in this state.
Peru needs to protect what they have. If Peru ordinances out GRID scale WIND turbines then their property becomes prime real estate. The rest of the towns will devalue over the next five years.
So sorry we are all in this mess. Seems worrying about snow plowing budget was alot easier.
I have heard them in several different locations. One of them being on Route 6 in Lincoln Maine. I heard the thumming and thumping and saw the red flashing lights.
I heard them in Roxbury at the town office. I heard them on Art Lingren's tape that the DEP does not accept as data. I hear people describe the noise at Concord Pond and how the noise is reverberated in their radio and tvs.
Most of the noise you cannot hear, you feel.
WINDFALL movie sunday March 4, 2012 2 pm Dixfield High School.
ok I live one mile from Route 2. Most days I hear traffic, here and there. Along comes that foggy day and the semi sounds like it is going to land on my porch. In the summer Harley's come and go.
But, this fog lasts for days and I hear the thumming of turbines behind me. On and on intermally.
Oh that is right... I can call the WIND company and they will turn the turbine off, for me.
Jason, Maine Yankee, bio mass, all these experiments add to your electric bill.
Stop experimenting on a mass scale. Go try the tidal machines. If they don't work take them out.
Thousands and thousands of 500 + foot WIND machines. Will ruin the Real Estate Market in Maine.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household.
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-cjing'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
Real Estate in Maine goes up in value every year.
The town of Carthage alone doubled in value in ten years.
I live on a dirt road (un maintained) and have seen 11 new cabins built in ten years.
Real Estate needs management as well as tourism. Jobs in management.
So few jobs in GRID scale WIND turbines...Yet the amount needed will devalue all property with-in sight.
Not In Maine's Back Yard. Thousands of them Jason, thousands...too much ....Maine will be ruined for tourism. I hear complaints from Sunday River skiers all ready.
I am not a scientist but death to birds alone causes some kind of change. Imagine the dead air after the turbine blades swhoosh it up.
thousands of dead air spaces on our ridges. Yeck.
Thousands and thousands of GRID scale WIND turbines are needed to replace that one Gas plant in Rumford. Oh, that's right; gas plants are needed for rampong up and down to allow WIND onto the GRID.
Mainers, 1000MW = 4000 MW nameplate capacity from WIND turbines.
Everywhere we look we will see the likes of Record Hill and larger and noisier.
Companies tell us thay cannot find parcels of land without a resident affected with=in 4000 feet from their projects.
Sound modeling maps will show you 35-45 dBa at one mile limit.
Make your ordinance strong; protect your people and this great state.
Jeremy Payne, When I stood before the Environment and Natural Resources committee with 3 sound modeling maps and stated that 34 "receptors" in Saddleback Wind Project were going to hear 40-45 decibels ; I was not lying.
The sound modeling maps have a trend of 35-45 dBa at one mile limit from turbine centers.
I have seen maps from LURC applicants but I cannot copy and paste.
I look in the DEP website for maps and applications and cannot find them.
I noticed on 3 sound modeling maps provided to the DEP and LURC from the developer a trend.
The trend is a range of 35-45 dBa with-in a mile from turbine centers.
If we rural people are used to 20 dBa what will 42 dBa sound like?
On the decibel scale, doubling the intensity corresponds to an increase of 3 dB.
This does not correspond to a perceived doubling of loudness, however. We perceive loudness to be doubled when the intensity increases by a factor of 10! This corresponds to a 10 dB increase.
A change by 1 dB is about the smallest change a human being can detect.
as far as the eye can see is the visual impact of thousands of GRID scale WIND turbines.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Try to find sound modeling maps on the DEP web site.
I have seen 4 sound modeling maps and they all have a trend to show 35-45 dBa almost a mile away from turbine center.
One map showed 34 "receptors" within this zone; another map showed 19 "receptors".
I am not sure of logarithmic logistics but hearing 20 dBa in a rural setting is what we are used to. A jump to 42 dBa means we will hear four times as much.
Efficiency Maine is for rich people who can afford their services in order to qualify for grants to retrofit.
We really do not need infared to tell us heat is rising through that gaping hole in the ceiling.
Communtiy Concepts have had programs in place for years to help people insulate. They provide window kits, storm doors etc. The catch? You need to be really poor. But..Community Concepts hooks you up with repairs.
Do you know how they anchor off shore wind turbines?
Do you know how they anchor the transmission line to shore?
Do you know how much damage GRID scale WIND turbines do to wildlife?
Thanks for link to future tv. Now, Windfall Movie is playing across Maine this month.
Sunday March 4, 2012 1-5pm Dixfield High School free and good food too.
towers get bigger and louder and yet the DEP does not change their codes ....
so we look at 2000 bigger turbines. If you climb tumbledown you see red flashing lights.
If you look around and imagine turbines every where you look.
GRID scale WIND costs my children's tax dollar. WIND is not investing in Maine.
1 1000 MW hydro replaces 4000 450' GRIS scale WIND turbines across Maine's ridges.
four thousand, four thousand, four thousand, as fa as the eye can see.
a list of sur charges GRID users pay as a result of mandates and experimental plans.
Estimates of 40 - 80 million dollar increase in rates because of NCRM and Efficiency Maine and CLF ballot initiative.=$60,000,000 / 560,000 ratepayers = $107.42 a year......okay..that hurts
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household.
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-cjing'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
Windfall, a 83 minute documentary, comes to Maine soon.
Dixfield High Schools' Community Room will host the movie Sunday March 4. 2012 from 1 pm to 5 pm...show around 2 pm....food too.
Leave GRID scale WIND out of alternative energy. GRID scale WIND does not work...now show me your plan NRCM.
Estimates of 40 - 80 million dollar increase in rates because of NCRM and Efficiency Maine and CLF ballot initiative.=$60,000,000 / 560,000 ratepayers = $107.42 a year......okay..that hurts
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household.
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-cjing'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
Record Hill Wind Is setting up some sort of sound detection devices In Roxbury. One will be in Thomas's field just outside Roxbury vilage on Rt 17. Thomas' house is around 1.4 miles from the towers.
Yesterday in his yard you could here them quite well. Yet i'm betting the noise will be within any damage limits as to goverment standards and what not. And i'm sure the noise Isn't harmfull at that distance,
Still who wants to have to listen to it all night during the summer when the windows are open, or your outside enjoying a quiet moment. Or outside working, Just as annoying as a barking dog.
Yes the people with all the sight and sound impact from these towers, the campers at Roxbury Pond ( Big Ellis)had no say in the matter unless they were a resident of the town, Same way with the campers on Garland (Little Ellis) pond
DEP ochestrated a BEP noise ruling to be brought to legislatures.
I hope every representative of every town in Maine will protect their towns and demand a complaint protocol from noise makers.
Complaint protocol needs to address every receptor of these sounds.
Receptors need a local complaint center.
LOcal. local, local.
If you send complaint to DEP, please make a hard copy for yourself.
better yet send a hard copy to your legislatibe representatives.
I too thought a citizen could petition over and over....but I guess only the gays can.
Carthage voters voted in an illegal vote for a moratorium at 42 - 48 .
I asked James Cassida of DEP how to stop the permit process. He said "any town , at any time can put a moratorium in place."
Not Carthage, the lawyer called it "redundant". I guess Maine municipal Association agrees.
So no re-vote for Carthage.
Dixfield , on the other hand, never voted on a WIND ordinance.
They voted on zoning.
The citizen petition called for banning any development above the elevation of 1,000 feet on Colonel Holman and Sugarloaf mountains except for logging and communication towers.
Elizabeth Swain says LURC has a statuatory mandate - to protect wilderness attributes.
Consider workshop format so early concepts can be discussed.
Transfer Industrial projects to DEP.
"Applicants should not be able to just pay the fine in non compliance."
Jenn Gray says. "Increase local input" "assist and educate towns and plantations now under LURC to assume local control by withdrawing from LURC jurisdiction."
Don White.."LURC's mission does not speak to economic development or growth."
Tom Rumpf.."need for local input"
Chris Gardiner.."issues is local input"
Rod Falla..."maybe a local appeals board would be a feasible idea"
Hank McPherson.."risk assessment??"
Samantha Horn-Olsen..."LURC does not have staff trained in economic development"
Defying a trend toward offshore production, the outdoors retailer is adding 125 full-time employees to its Maine-based manufacturing operation to keep pace with orders.
The Land Use Regulation Commission, LURC, to the delight of many Downeast outdoor folks, gave a thumbs down to the Bowers Mountain wind turbine project."
don't we wish.....over 300 downeasterners drove to Lincoln to voice disapproval of Bowers Mtn GRID scale WIND.....now it looks like First WIND may win with manipulation. something is wrong ....
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household.
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-cjing'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
Open Space would make the parcel eligible for a 20% reduction in the assessment. If the owner wishes to allow public access to the property then he would be eligible for an additional 25% reduction making it a 45% reduction in total. There are further levels of Open Space that may allow up to a 95% reduction
Unfortunately, tax losses from the Farmland and Open Space Programs are not reimbursed to the Town.
and monique, karen and dan.
Conservation is starting to bother me.
below is a quote from a town appraiser.
Open Space would make the parcel eligible for a 20% reduction in the assessment. If the owner wishes to allow public access to the property then he would be eligible for an additional 25% reduction making it a 45% reduction in total. There are further levels of Open Space that may allow up to a 95% reduction
Unfortunately, tax losses from the Farmland and Open Space Programs are not reimbursed to the Town.
"Open Space" the applicant wishes to engage.
For instance, using the Alternative Method, ordinary Open Space would make the parcel eligible for a 20% reduction in the assessment.
If the owner wishes to allow public access(snow machining) to the property then he would be eligible for an additional 25% reduction making it a 45% reduction in total.
There are further levels of Open Space that may allow up to a 95% reduction in the assessment if approved.
Unfortunately, tax losses from the Farmland and Open Space Programs are not reimbursed to the Town.
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike =
2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-ching'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
I disticntly hear a squealing in one of these shots of the turbines. oh oh .....bearings????
Then reporter shoots a shot of road signs in Roxbury. Not a single shot of the SCENIC HIGHWAY sign as you drive up route 17 into the turbine area, on your way to the revered "Height of the Land" just before you get to Rangeley.
Nice shot of Roxbury Lake and what camp owners now see. I wish the resolution was better in the camera so we could really see what these property owners hear and see now, with not a thing they could do about it....as they have no vote.
yep, talking about Saddleback Ridge , Carthage, Maine.
Receptors will hear and see these GRID scale WIND machines quite plainly.
Carthage moratorium vote was 42 /48, a 6 person difference.
The town meet was moderated by a long time Carthonian, Hershal Noyes, he repeatedly injected his own opinions over and over, the First selectman withheld information until the vote was taken to tell the town's people they did not own the land where Patriot renewables wanted 6 more turbines.
The meet is on tape and should be classified as a comedy.
But this is not funny.
Town of Carthage lawyer has deemed a new petition for another moratorium vote is "redundant".
Huh? people cannot petition again? Everything is so lined up for WIND; lawyers, money and paid testimonies at hearings.
Repeat; 24 property owners have no recourse. We will watch our homes become valueless.
WIND has a strong force on their side. GREED GREED
how can you disagree to the truth..? DEP, Mark Margerum, received written statements from 24 "receptors" stating they were not informed of the GRID scale WIND project and it's impacts.
Selectmen make deals and then still not tell the landowners with-in 2 miles of these projects what is happening.
Dixfield project has over 300 property owners with-in 2 miles of the turbine area.
How many are concerned about their back yard?
Dixfield is a case such as Carthage where the people living with-in sight of these turbines are far out numbered by the villagers.
Only a town vote can make a difference. Voters voting on things they are ill informed about. Such as TIFs, such as accelerated depreciation.
Such as conservation.
It makes no sense to destroy our mountains for Boston people to make money.
Please Mainers, read between the lines of the media.
DEP has 2000 feet as the contact line of abutting properties. In reality, sound modeling has 35 dbc at 2 mile range.
Receptors are located in Flicker and Sound modeling maps. Yet not a one was notified of their property being on a "Receptor" list.
The above Map has 34 "receptor" structures. 24 of the 34 "receptors" are very much against this project.
These 24 + people have no recourse
agreed i will buy 6 # 200 watt panels hoping for a kilowatt at high noon.
Having lived off the GRID for 12 years, I have learned to shut down. But I open windows, look at the mountain tops. I quilt my windows at high noon and re-charge.
Yes, I stay home and tend wood fires.
My husband and daughter watch tv 4-6 hours a day. I ,as you can tell, indulge in internet once a day.
I am taking a class on photovoltaics because I live it. I know GRID folks will feel better knowing half their foot print is quiet...for 20-40 and counting years.
And the independance is awesome....
I do have a whisper, 600 watts, sometimes...it is noisy.
involvement in local level is important and towns across Maine are challenging their own selectmen, Peru, Rumford, ah not Carthage.
Carthage chose to let the lawyers fight it out while the DEP and the GRID scale WIND applicants went along a pre-determined time line.
Carthage citizens cannot petition more than once. Even though citizen's have learned of facts and want to re-vote. Oh well...
Woodstock citizen's were blindsided when their selectmen opted to vote a 5 decibal increase in an al ready flawed noise law. Maine's noise law is very old and is set at 45 decibals at night. Rural Maine is used to 20 decibals and long nights of quiet.Woodstock's owners of camps around the project were not aware of GRID WIND coming in. Blindsided.
Oh well...the WIND industry planned on Mainers being asleep. They tell no one that they are on a "Receptor" study.
Instead GRID WIND gives money to snowmobile clubs. The clubs are somewhat happy but....no one tells them all the ridges will be closed due to insurance factors..oops.
If LURC is controlled by DEP GRID WIND standards then, 2/3 of Maine will be permitted. This not funny...
How can ? generation Mainers, who chose to live in wilderness get their rights back?
solar panels are 50 cents a watt right now.
1000 watts = 1 kw
=$500
batteries = $500
Contoller and inverter = $1000
add another $1000 for kit prepare...voila!! you are now saving half your GRID bill on most days.
Ah,,the city dweller lives inside....electricity on at all times.
WIND is very expensive...go with the pipeline right down through Maine to Massachusetts.
Do not WIND sprawl to remote Maine. Cost too much.
"The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill."
I say, Let Maine go back to independance for residential use. Burn wood, not pellets, on site solar can cut your GRID bill in half. Air conditioning????
Private money will buy 1000 watt, GRID ready, on site solar photovoltaic systems. Check out Connecticutt and other states.
You got me on the 5%. In the beginning they ran generators to keep each tower GRID ready. There is a whole list of neccessary machinary to keep warm and running. Computers, hydraulics, brakes, etc. Now I read where elevators are being used because the WIND employees could not hack the stair climbing, once or twice a day.
Figure it out guy, when they pre-test them for months, where do you think the power comes from?
NESCOE Request For Information – Transmission Project
Western Maine Transmission Constraint Relief
Central Maine Power Company
February 25, 2011
Background
Central Maine Power Company (CMP) has identified transmission constraints in western Maine that will severely limit, unless additional transmission facilities are added, the addition of renewable generation already in the ISO-NE Queue or under consideration by developers. Maine, like the other New England states, strongly encourages additional renewable, non-carbon emitting generation in the region. The existing generation within the constrained areas of western Maine (362 MW) is all renewable. All of the 743 MW of proposed additional generation likely to be affected by transmission constraints in the area is wind.
How much risk?
WIND = 75% does NOT blow.
10-30% loss in transmission.
5% sucks from GRID. 24/7
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = 4.2857
2.The Renewable Portfolio Standard : Wind Power Marketer's dream. Charging $85 to $100 per megawatt into a grid where commonly the price is $55 per megawatt. Higher prices.
= rate hike
3. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative penalizes conventional electric generators . That's an increase in costs = rate hike.
4. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
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No Jason. It is too costly of a risk. economically and ecologically
anyone who communes with nature knows WIND is killing ice-age old ecosystems.
It is taking so long to uncover "just the facts"
I hope the Governor ferrets out the answers.
I hope this years discussion at the legislative level is based on facts.
But, with paid signature collectors for a bill that insists renewables are the answer, I believe the truth seekers will have a hard time showing the unsuspicious public what is fact.
Please, EUT committee, let us have an adult discussion this year and lay the facts on the table, for the public to see.
oh boy....people in Jay and Wilton are really going to love those 460 foot windmills on Saddleback Ridge in Carthage...Take a ride Route 133 and look at that view. I am sorry that DEP feels that a town in Massachusetts paying for very litle energy from Maine meets their Renewable Portfolio standard.
Move out of the way 8th generation Mainers. Massachusetts has arrived.
Sorry about your "Quality of Place".
More and more towns protecting themselves...some how Unorganized Townships need a home rules protection.
Buckfield, Wilton, Rumford, Byron, Phillips, New Vineyard, Newry have ordinances
Peru, Dixfield, Paris, Sumner, Woodstock, Weld, Bethel are in process of writing one.
Peaks Island, Frankfurt, Carrantuck voted for protection.
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill."
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike
2.The Renewable Portfolio Standard : Wind Power Marketer's dream. Charging $85 to $100 per megawatt into a grid where commonly the price is $55 per megawatt. Higher prices.
= rate hike
3. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative penalizes conventional electric generators . That's an increase in costs = rate hike.
4. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
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Eight towns brought WIND ordinances before their towns since November 2011.
Eight towns voted to accept ordinances essentially stalling GRID scale WIND in their back yards.
2.The Renewable Portfolio Standard : Wind Power Marketer's dream. Charging $85 to $100 per megawatt into a grid where commonly the price is $55 per megawatt = rate hike
3. Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative penalizes conventional electric generators . That's an increase in costs, = rate hike
4.Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase, = rate hike
There is a downside: Maine ratepayers will pick up a small portion of the cost
How much is Maine's share of the cost? it is a rate hike.
2.The Renewable Portfolio Standard : Wind Power Marketer's dream. Charging $85 to $100 per megawatt into a grid where commonly the price is $55 per megawatt. Higher prices = rate hike
3. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative penalizes conventional electric generators . That's an increase in costs = rate hike.
4. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
. So, what part of increasing costs due to incorrect renewables don't you understand, ?
LePage said he does not like RGGI, RPS and EM because it causes electric rates to go up. Not good for Maine business.
Yet, we know GRID scale WINd is causing electricity prices to go up and he does not stop WIND.
GR has to look at turbines on Record Hill even tho Byron ousted Angus.
Jay, Wilton, all border towns are going to wish thay could do something about WIND turbines. GO HYdro GO.
notice WIND people, FITTS will argue til they are blue. but I say, leave our mountains alone and run your corridor along the turnpike, railway etc.
Geraldine Richards =Fitts is having a Fit cause if this goes thru he looses MONEY - Power from Canada can make CMP rates lower if they want to compete and BAN Turbines...I am all for NO WIND TURBINES
I had a plan and the land, I wanted to build fossil fuel free homes for vacationers.
Once you arrived in your vehicle; no more fossil fuels for a week or two or months or years.
On site solar systems still allow vacationers their electronics but they will learn how to use an egg beater for mixing ingredients.
They will experience silence on this southern exposed mountainside with nothing but raptors and wildlife above you.
The sound of water under the ground.
Alas, a Massachusetts company will ruin the area for wildlife and silence for ever more.
said they have expanded the lessons, not just to science but on social studies and the economy.
Did the lesson get taught about the subsidies, production tax credits, renewable energy certificates, guaranteed government loans, tax shelters, property devaluation?
Did the lesson get taught of how low density energy has NO capacity on our GRID?
The Production Tax Credit has been the primary federal financial support mechanism for wind, which rewards developers and investors with 2.2 cents per kWh over 10 years. The main source of revenue for projects are PTCs, and trading renewable energy market certificates (RECs).
And stimulis grants and backed up loans. And tax revenue from your town.
We should not let out of staters take our money and our land.
The developer is not going to stop at 22 turbines. River Valley will have no tourism if some measures are not taken to protect it's n atural beauty.
If Byron and Roxbury can figure out a way to make it pay for them,
Byron told Angus to go back to the coast.
Roxbury has no tax status change with Angus et. al. holdings on Record Hill.
Is Angus still paying tree growth?
Roxbury residents saw decrease in tax bills last year because costs were cut and student enrollment changed. NOT because Angus paid anyone.
When does Roxbury get free electricity?
Roxbury can shelter taxes in their own rainy day fund. Ask Mike Rogers of Maine Revenue.
are so neccesary. I wish each town could have an attorney on each committee. Wind developers have ruthless lawyers. But any ordinance can be amended. We, the towns of Maine need to keep these developers out of the mountains until the federal stimulis money dries up.
Kevin learned. Now he is doing the right thing and moving on.
Les Otten might be a man who can envision our River Valley as an attraction.
Lem sissell was on the right track but i quess he wanted a fast buck.
So we are not rich in the river valley, so our children go elsewhere for jobs.
So we keep our cabins in Maine and cater to the vacationers.
Thank You, Rumford Citizens, for saving your grandchildren's wilderness.
Mark, Did you make a foilage run up SCENIC route 17 through Oquoosic this year? Do you like what you see? How about the transmission lines? How are they looking? I quess I am too short sighted to see.
You say, "They are spinning in a number of rural towns, generating clean, renewable energy and helping to move us from dependence on foreign fuel sources."
WIND has NO capacity.
A fuel source will remain at all times as a back-up to WIND.
Foreign? As in Hydro-Quebec?
Governor, put hydro back on the renewables list. Please?
DEP regulations allow 45 decibals at 2000 feet from turbine center.
LURC just mandated 40 decibals from turbine center.
Rural is 20 decibals. Each increase by 6 or so decibals reads as twice the sound in your ears.
Take control, vote "YES" for moratorium.
Peru and other citizens;
A debate will ensue about TIF monies and Tax valuations.
Monday, November 7 at 5 pm at Dixfield Library.
Louis Smith of Department of Economic Communty Development and
Mike Rogers of Maine Revenue will answer questions.
Selectmen were told a OneMaine Health Community Health Needs Assessment Forum will be held from 3:30 to 5 p.m. Nov. 16 at Southern Maine Medical Center in Biddeford. Health concerns for Oxford County will be discussed.
Do we need to go to the meeting to express our concerns on wind turbines and their health impacts?
Sumner, I am sure the turbines in Woodstock are becoming visable by now. Is this really what we want Western Maine to look like? Take control because DEP will not help you.
The hunter who bagged a deer under a turbine was lucky he can still go near the turbines. A law will be in effect soon that he was trespassing and for safety reasons we will not be allowed 1500 feet from these things.
Yhese ice-age eco-systems will be missed.
The story is about a buyer for property( 1.2 miles away from a proposed Wind turbine) walks away.
NO SALE
We DID NOT talk to the town manager, even though my correspondence was addressed to him. He forwarded the e-mail I sent him, requesting a meeting, to the Assessor contracted by the Town. Town Manager chose not to 'deal with us' and passed us on to the Assessor instead. It was pretty blatant and disrespectful.
The Assessor is like a guard dog, trained to attack. He was arrogant, aggressive and condescending. When he realized we were not intimidated, he offered to go to our property on the Road and "re-assess" to see if there was something he could "do for us" to keep us happy. It was pretty obvious that he did not want us conferring or rallying the troops on the Road . He does not want them aware of the fact that their property values have already been adversely affected, yet they are still paying taxes on an assessed amount that is now falsley high. They want the people affected to pay the inflated tax on their devalued land for as long as they are ignorant enough to do so. He gave us a big song and dance about adjusting our value, we parted and never heard from him again.
Please use our story to help get the word out that not all the crooks are in Washington DC. I'm sure Patriots Renewables are having good laugh about the naivete' and ignorance of Maine's small town citizens.
The board listened to up to date facts about this non-economic development. People realize WIND is a scam and in 5 years Roxbury Village will have no economic base other than more turbines. People on the lakes (Derapse on Garland, etc.)will demand tax rebates soon. If turbines are not in your back yard, that is a selling point in the future. Lucky people in protected zones.
We are not the vocal minority. Many, many people know it is wrong to kill wilderness for NO energy capacity whats so ever.
Thanks again for being vocal.
are the landowners that sigend leases with First Wind cutting their property? Is their land changing status at the town valuation list?
Is Roxbury receiving adjusted taxes as soon as Angus King improved the property?
If people think a TIF is boosting economy then they better be prepared for when WIND claims bankruptcy.
TIF is tax dollars borrowed, based on the premise the land borrowed against will be worth more in so many years.
Monday November 7 at 5 pm there is a TIF and State Revenue meeting at the Dixfield Library. A representative at the state level from each area will be there.
Mark, Here is a chance to ask questions about the future of turbine monies,
Take control,, YES vote on ordinance means you are in control.
It may be that the huge turbines they want to put all over your mountains will need re-designing.
SO re design.
Noise is a problem and who ever said 40 dcb is a whisper is not a scientist. We need quantifying and qualifying.
Rural areas are generally 20 dcb. If you look at Saddleback Ridge sound modeling you see that at 2 miles from turbine center a 35 dcb noise is expected.
Neighbors used to 20 dcb at night will be bothered. I do not know if the wild life will care.
Really, Is this worth the destruction?
WIND has no capacity.
75% WIND does not blow. 10-30% loss in transmission.
The WIND industry tells you the power is sold to Massachusetts. It is all a game. No power goes very far.
WIND companies sell REC and get TPC. Oh, and the second half of the stimulis money.
Woodstock amended rules and allowed 50 decibels at night where humans and animals have been listening to 20 decibels for 10,000 years.
REC = renewable energy credit...TPC = tax production credit
Stacey Fitts, co-chair of the Joint Standing Committee on Energy, Utilities and Technology, works for Kleinschmidt Associates, an engineering, licensing, environmental service firm offering specialized technical services to the renewable industry.
Alex Cornell du Houx, an avid supporter of wind power, is the outreach coordinator of the Truman National Security Project.
A sister organization of the Truman National Security Project is Operation Free, where Mr. Du Houx serves as Campaign Director. The organization’s logo prominently features industrial wind turbines.
Energy Co-chair Hinck and Wind Industry Lawyer wife Browne not a CONFLICT OF INTEREST - Who is the Maine Ethics Commission?
In some cases, a conflict can exist if the employer or client of a Legislator — or another person or organization in close economic association with the Legislator — has a direct financial interest in legislation." Jon Hinck is married to Juliet Browne who is a lawyer and partner at Verill Dana whose main practice deals with the defense of wind power companies .
It’s practically our sole source of industrial growth, plus the high-paying jobs that come with it.
It’s practically our sole source of industrial growth, plus the high-paying jobs that come with it.
It’s practically our sole source of industrial growth, plus the high-paying jobs that come with it.
What are the 200,000 + tourism jobs?
What about the firewood business?
What about the medicinal marijuana farming?
What about Casino Service Industry?
Les Otten's ski industry plan works in Western Maine.
His pellet stoves belong in southern Maine.
WIND = 75% does not blow, 10-30% loss in transmission.
WIND industry is selling REC (Renewable Energy Credits) to out of state. Entities like YALE; this allows YALE to burn fossil fuels at their schools. RECs are sold to companies who want to claim "GREEN" yet are dirty burners.
WIND = NO Capacity...back-up required at all times.
Burn wood if you want to get off foreign oil.
Your mountain tops will be worth more as wood lots than leased lands.
Firewood is not an easy business but people can make some money delivering locally.
some are as big as the mountains they are placed on. Baldacci, DEP and LURC did not address the red blinking aviation lights that are visible more than 8 miles away. 24 hours a day.
Why is it that Rep Stacey Fitts can be one of the biggest wind cheerleaders in the state, making decisions on wind and shaping legislation - all of which will benefit his employer, Kleinschmidt Associates.
“We've built a whole infrastructure in this country — particularly in Maine — based on the premise of cheap oil,” he said.
Scratch that OIL and replace with WIND?
“People talk about mountaintop destruction, but this isn't it,” he said, showing a slide of Virginia, where mountaintop removal mining is taking place.“We don't want the mountain to be an inch shorter than it is.”
Check out Mars Hill Destruction on Maine Wind Concerns FACEBOOK.
2MW turbine = -75% does not blow = .5 MW
.50 MW - 10-30% loss in transmission = -MW
WIND has NO Capacity.
Yet the turbines require a "parasitic" draw 24/7 from the GRID.
Three years into the crisis and with two more likely ahead, it appears governments still believe they’ll be able to lie their way out of this hole.
For over a decade policymakers have led us to believe that a green revolution led by renewable energy is required to improve energy security, to cut energy spending, and to avert global warming.
Policymakers not only mislead us about the green revolution, but also investors. Billions went into wind, solar, and other renewable sources with the promise of secure, fixed income until the technologies could compete with fossil fuels.
along with the drivers from the Minnesota-based Anderson Trucking Services
The rest goes to the manufacturers of the turbine parts, towers made in Vietnam and blades and nacelles made in Denmark,
McFarland, along with seven or eight other truckers
The men and women come from all over the country.
THERE WILL BE NO MONEY FOR ROAD BUILDING AFTER BIG WIND SPENT IT ALL.
"Your roads suck," said McFarland, a pilot for eight years, sitting outside his hotel room one evening at the Admiral's Ocean Inn in Belfast. "I mean that; they're a nightmare.""As far as bridges go, there just hasn't been a lot of that work out there lately. This has carried us through. Otherwise, it would have been the unemployment line."
Drive to Roxbury. Want to buy some property there?
Wind Turbines will dominate the area. No tourism promoted. No property sales. No wildlife habitats. No recreation on that ridge anymore. What is your tax base in five years after these machines have been depreciated?
In all fairness though, once the area is changed to industry mankind kind of gets used to it all. No more eagles.
Hey we grew up with the dirty Androscroggin. Thought it was a way of life.
Denmark's electrical rate is 35 cents a kw. USA? about 10 cents...
Denmark's unemployment?
Any way. These are tough economic times and the WIND industry is hoping you fall for your tax payers money they offer.
These turbines depreciate in 5 years and then your new plow trucks will need repairs.
Turbines have devalued, properties with-in sight of the turbines have devalued.
There really is not much capacity in WIND turbines...do not depend on them to run your schools..look at UMPI.
Rumford needs sustainable growth. Look to the recreation of the area. Do not ruin it.
why do we allow out of state corporations destroy ice-age eco-systems so thay can become richer?
Maine, we gain nothing.
We lose tourism and land values.
We fragment wildlife. We allow destroying of water tables.
Transmission lines running through our woods.
No more hunting and recreating near these Industrial turbines.
The list goes on for the negatives of BIG WIND.
Angus King and Rob Gardiner are rich Mainers. Why do we allow them to destroy our neck of the woods for Massachusetts air conditioning?
Governor is allowing natural gas to be the alternative until a real solution is found to power up earthlings.
what proof from Record Hill ? Science and Politics do not mix?
Money? Record Hill Wind is like 70% financed by tax payers?
Jobs are fleeting then what are we left with? Let us see if Roxbury camps do go up for sale.
I see no science on Record Hill, I see destruction of ice-age ec0systems?
doesn’t say is that while $1 billion has been spent on industrial wind developments built in Maine, approximately two-thirds of that money has gone overseas to countries like China, where the turbines are manufactured.
Two-thirds of that $1 billion was not “invested” in Maine.
also made no mention of that fact that the lion’s share of the money “invested” in wind comes from federal, state and local subsidies: grants, loan guarantees, tax production credits, renewable energy credits, accelerated depreciation and tax increment financing. This is money from our pockets, and the pockets of future generations of Mainers.
might also like to speak with Maine Revenue Services to clarify exactly how many years that “tax revenue” increase of $ is expected to last.
Do we let this poor energy source bleed us dry while damaging our mountain ecosystems and causing health problems for our citizens? Or do we call a halt to wind development now, while we study wind’s true costs, its output, its reliability?
The wind isn’t going anywhere. If its benefits can be proven to outweigh its negative impacts, can we not continue the massive build-out a few years from now?
Maine already produces more energy than we consume, so there is no hurry for wind.
Conscientious legislators will want to err on the side of caution. They’ll want to study existing wind facilities before investing another $1 billion of our money in this energy source.
WIND = 75% does not blow...5% "parasitic" draw from GRID...10-30% loss in transmission. WIND kills birds, bats, bugs, tourism, property values, cheap electricity.
WIND creates money for rich, out of state corporations.
Rumford knows the windfall in the form of tax revenues will dry up in five years and then the property adjacent to these turbines has devalued, then bankruptcy.
Oh and who controls the mountaintops then? No more recreating on our ridges.
If Rumford uses State DEP noise numbers, people from almost 2 miles away will hear 3-5 times the noise they are used to hearing.
I hope Rumford citizens are driving to Roxbury and looking at these things. After year 5 the accelerated depreciation will kick in and the town value goes down.
This is a mess and I am proud that Rumford slowed down and really looked at these things.
Good job, keep it up. Your grand children will thank you.
The movie "Windfall" documents how easy selectmen fall prey to the WINDUSTRY scam. Follow the money in Windustry and you usually find a pay off, bribe. Maybe
come on WIND...I want to attend a debate.....Rumford would be a good place because First Wind wants that area for multiple wind farms.
Neil Keilly? Jeremy Payne? Ken Fletcher? Stacy Fitts? someone??
300+ wetlands destroyed on one project hurts animals and humans. Drilling and blasting water tables on top of mountains causes flooding down land... Please, the destruction of water, habitats and plant life should be enough hurt.
Those people on that list are real and they will be hurt by erosion, noise and property values.
GRID scale WIND is a scam that rich companies can use to get your tax dollar.
Do you like paying for ethanol even though you know it is hurting the environment?
along the same lines as tidal...that damn in Rumford could have several series of smaller dams in front of it. smaller dams such as the tidal generators. if water gets low, turn them off or pull them up.
i know people will complain but GRID scale WIND is using your children's tax dollar to ruin your mountain tops for expensive erractic wind. WIND will bankrupt your town based on property value loss alone.
nope the buyer was all for the beautiful property over looking Colonel Holman Mountain. When the buyer became aware a project is proposed they walked..no sale...
Those names are people that have paid taxes for generations on their property...they do not want to be sold out by tax sucking projects such as grid scale wind...stop this over use of our taxes. Wind is old technology...it does not foot the bill...
geo thermal is answer in Costa Rica, Nevada...
Hydro is the answer in Maine and New England..
Wind Turbines will fail...
and towns will go bankrupt
you personally like wind turbines....do you own land near a wind farm? How much is your land valued now?
Here is a list of 305 property owners (with-in 2 miles from a proposed project) in Dixfield Maine that will hear 3-5 times more noise than they are used to. Their property values will go down. Ask the Whittermores why their home did not sell.
abbott
abbott
abbott
adams
adams
albrecht
alpaugh
arrow
arsenault
awalt
babbitt
bates
baumgartel
bean
beedy
beggs
bellegarde
Belskis
bernard
berry
berry
berry
berry
blanchard
blouin
bolduc
blouin
bourgoin
bradeen
brann
brann
brann
brann
brown
brown
brown
brown
brundage
buotte
burgess
burgess
burns
brann
cannon
carlton
carlton
bryant
bryant
bucci
buchanan
carter
chase
child
collins
collins
cook
coolidge
coolidge
coolide
coolidge
crane
crocker
daigneault
cumberland security corp
curit
curtis
curtis
curtis
daley
daley
dolloff
elliott
dustin
dyer
dzuz
e & l logging
durrell
drottar
drown
dunham
daley
daley
ellis
ellis
ellis
ellis
enman
eno
farwell
felt
finnan
fitch
fletcher
fletcher
frank
fuchs
gagnon
gallant
gammon
garbarini
gilsleider
given
gladu
glover
goldthwaite
goodwin
gould
graham
grant
gray
grignon
gullage
gurney
haley
haley
hall
hall
haney
hanmer
hardy
harkness
harvell
harvey
harvey
haylock
haynes
haynes
hebert
hebert
hebert
hebert
heintz
heintz
hill
hiscock
hixon
hodge
hodge
hodgson
hodsdon
holcomb
holman
holman
holman
holman
horne
houghton
hutchins
hutchinson
jalbert
jarvis
jasud
jewett
jordan
jordan
kersey
kersey
kersey
knight
knowles
knowles
labbe
labrecque
landry
lane
laplant
laprell
larsen
latouche
le ray
legere
libby
lindstedt
linnekin
littlehale
macfarland
macomber
marcoux
marshall
marston
martell
mcpherson
mawhinney
mckeen
menthe
merrill
merrill
merrill
merrill
merrill
met life home loans
michaud
mills
mcvay
medcoff
melvin
menthe
moody
moody
morin
morin
morrison
minardi
montgomery
morrison motors
morrison
morse
murphy
newbold
noyes
noyes
nye
oakes
packard
palmer
palmer
parise
pelletier
pendexter
pepin
perkins
perry
philbrick
phillips
pierce
pineau
piper
porter
pratt
pratt
quinn
rackliffe
ranger
recktenwald
rene
rice
richard
richards
ridley
rodrigues
rollins
rollins
rollins
rovers inc
roy
rumley
sampson
servants of jesus christ
shardlow
smith
sprague
s-severy lodge corp
stearns
smith
smith
steeves
stefani
stefani
sterns
stowe
soubble
speranza
sprague
swan
swan
swan
thebarge
theriault
thorndike & sons
thurston
tifft
tompkins
towle
ownsend
trifilo
dixfield common baptist church
turner
twitchell
tyler
underwood
volkernick
waite
waite
wang
webb river sportsman club
webster
weeks
welch
welch
werner
white
white
white
whitman
whitman
whittermore
whittermore
whittington
windover
witas
wolos
wright
wright
wright
It is not funny but, a subcontractor can buy unframed solar panels from Miami Florida warehouse because Korea did not accept a delivery from USA.
My price is not a kit. panels only. comparing because a turbine is a turbine, it needs transmission lines to work.
I have lived off the grid for 10 years. While the sun may shine 50% of the time I bought extra panels to ensure my batteries are topped off.
I still use propane for refrigeration, maybe next year I buy more solar and batteries and run frig.
My solar panels are not affecting you in the least, where as 12 # 460 foot turbines on a ridge affects any one with-in 8 miles. If you bought land in Rangeley, do not let go of it. It is in protected area and will be worth a fortune in the next 5 years.
Please consider the alternatives in Maine...hydro...wood....solar...on site generation for homes.
75% wind does not blow is irrelevant?
costs per kilowatt? try the tune of 3-4 million dollars a turbine and figure out how many kilowatts will make a break even point. By the time you do that the turbines need repairs..
I guess bats and birds and bees and animal habitats are not costly.
Jason, this wind energy is a scam and will not save the earth.
Our demand for electricity will grow and grow and there is not enough room on earth for all the wind facilities needed.
$500 will buy you 1 kilowatt of solar panels.....place on site and there is no transmission loss.
Added benny...you are not totally dependent on the GRID.
rural Maine is used to 20 dcb at night. Most modeling of turbine projects show 35 dcbs at 2 miles. These people will be hearing 3 times the noise they were used to.
on site solar is 50 cents a watt.
$500 will buy you 1 kilowatt of power.
Saddleback wind project models 35 dcb at 2 mile from turbine center.
Rural is 20 dcb; 35 dbc = 3 times the noise residents have lived with.
10dbc increase equals to a doubling of noise to your ear.
Spruce Mountain is rural and it's ambient (background) noise is 20 dcb.
Saddleback ridge is rural = 20 dcb.
So each project has 45dcb just short of a residence. (by turning down turbines at night, making less power)
So each resident will hear 5 times a noise they hear now.
This 5 timesing of noise is an ADVERSE impact to residents with-in a mile of any project, anywhere.
Shadow flicker cannot be divided into per day. The months of November, December and January show longer shadows because of the low position of the sun at Winter Solstice.
10 hours of shadow flicker may work out to be 20 minutes on December 20 and diminish each day the sun rises in the sky.
Now imagine the shadow flicker you see on You Tube at your property.
50.6 MW nameplate capacity rules down to about 5-10 MW of actual power.
75% wind does NOT blow, 10-30% loss in transmission, 5% "parasitic" draw from grid 24/7.
NRCM states the number 13MW will power up 22,000 houses in Oxford County.
320 million divided by 22,000 nets about $15,000 a household.
Solar panels sell for 50 cents a watt. $500 buys you a kilowatt of power. I am quite sure we can use the $14,500 left over to buy a few batteries.
Chu of DOE says 200 jobs, angus says 150. Room for margin everywhere.
Thanks to resistance Rumford people are reading between the lines of the media.
World Health Organization guidelines are ambient noise plus 5 dba.
Rural = ambient 25 dba
The noise is especially intrusive because wind energy facilities are often built in rural areas where the ambient sound level may be quite low, especially at night. On the logarithmic decibel (dB) scale, an increase of 10 dB is perceived as a doubling of the noise level. An increase of 6 dB is considered to be a serious community issue. Since a quiet night in the country is typically around 25 dB, the common claim by wind developers of 45 dB at the nearest home would be perceived as a noise four times louder than normal. And because it is intermittent and directional, those affected assert that one can never get used to it. The disruption of sleep alone presents serious health and human rights issues.
Go to this URL and see how over 60 residents will hear 4 times the noise they were used to.
Your tax dollars are wasted on these big wind machines.
One Job.
TIFs everywhere.
Destruction of Ice-age eco-systems.
Red Strobing lights seen over 8 miles away.
No body sells property with-in sight of them.
Property values go down.
In one year the town will be wondering how to sell it self.
Stick with tourism, BMOM, the Falls, exttreme camping, rock climbing, rivers.
"Imagine if the Migratory Bird Treaty Act was completely waived for the North Woods," West said. "Nesting eagles now could potentially have their habitat completely destroyed because Homeland Security deems that a fence may be appropriate for that particular area."
That is exactly what DEP and LURC are doing when they allow special "take" permits to Grid Scale Wind Developers.
These special "take" permits allow for incidental deaths of migratory birds. No fines, no jail time. Nope, these LLC's are treated better than the average american.
loggers have been cutting up the land for years.
State mandated No clear cuts, but , I see it! They pay the fine.
Soo trees grow back..but if the clear cut drills 40 feet and then blasts... you alter water tables.
Breaking a water table is irreversible. No water....No life....
Big difference between WIND and logging.
WIND is not sustainable...logging can be.
WIND destroys... logging clips.
Wait til you hear about the noise problem across lakes.
If a devloper is developing in "Maine" it is because it is "Maine"; NO turbines breaking up the horizon lines and interfering with "views". we sell "views" as realestate and tax buyers more because of the rarity of it.
Most big loggers look at their land in 10-20 year cutting plans (given state mandate..NO CLEAR CUTTING).
So, cut the shit out of your land (overcut a trans line or two) and then lease to a Wind LLC. You get the land back (minus blasted water tables so no trees grow back)and give to your grand children to live, develop, sell; time will tell.
A skiing group? Sunday River per say? Newry has no planned Wind Projects. Sunday River creates too many jobs. I am sure Sugar loaf is gettiing some comments on seeing Kibby Mtn, especially at night, with red flashing lights instead of stars and stars. Ski areas bank on snow and views. remote??? i do not know.
So we have noise...turbines are too close to private and public property. 2000 feet is not far enough away..
1 mile from turbines opens up a longer list of impacted property owners. noise....on some days appears closer than it appears.
your search is of a report published in late 2009.
Try a "Ricahrd James" searh on wind-watch.org, many updates.
BEP has a public hearing on wind turbine noise until July 18 2011.
Many many noise facts are being presented in these testimonies, but, alas the transcripts will not be ready for months.
I believe Frienda of Maine's Mountains has some testimonies on their site.
35 decibels at night will kill most of the Wind projects in Maine.
Rick James noted that Saddleback Wind did not use the +3 decibels in their sound models, but DEP and Patriot Renewables march right along in the permitting process.
PR states they will turn down turbines at night if, after a year, residents are having noise issues.
Okay, so you have 75% wind does not blow, 5% "parasitic" draw from grid and 10-30% loss in transmission. Now turn off these machines at night what do you have?
Wind is a scam and I wish the Governor would ask for a state wide moratorium rather than have people sell out because they have no recourse.
Please someone, help us. Thank You Friends of Maine's Mountains for hiring these experts.
Steven King, please give FMM a grant.
Noise is an issue. World Health Organization has 40 dcb in rural area.
Mars Hill, FIW and Freedom all prove 45+ decibals are being heard by neighbors....
Sumner, find out how far away buildings need to be, world wide, with these new, bigger turbines. GOOGLE it.
Any one with-in 2-3 miles from these turbines will not be able to sell their property. We know this don't we???
WIND = 75% does not blow, 5% "parasitic" draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission......kills birds, bats and bugs, alters water tables.
NO water.......No life
Erik and Willow and EF know the traditional avenues of governmental change were being sold off. people being bought off...by the tax subsidized Wind Industry. Our mountain tops sold by selectmen of the town.
civil rights to a moratorium revote in Carthage Maine'
civil rights to petition as much as you want..casinos, et al.
nope no civil Civil Rights in Carthage...2 petitions refused, one way or another....so we cannot stop this permit process....
citizens even have lawyers working on the refusal of right to petition but the permit process marches right along at DEP.
DEP pretty much sold their soul to Wind industry...
I am sorry EF needs to use such media driven tactics. I am sorry Erik and Willow are treated as criminals when we know no harm was done to anyone except Sisk Mountain...
If editors do indeed read the comments...you will be embarrassed when these big wind turbines ruin Maine. OR in ten years when Angus King owns multi-million dollar homes with best views going, paid by the taxpayers. I hope these home owners find water on top of those mountains and I do hope they pay property taxes.
Erik and Willow and EF know the traditional avenues of governmental change were being sold off. people being bought off...by the tax subsidized Wind Industry. Our mountain tops sold by selectmen of the town.
civil rights to a moratorium revote in Carthage Maine'
civil rights to petition as much as you want..casinos, et al.
nope no civil Civil Rights in Carthage...2 petitions refused, one way or another....so we cannot stop this permit process....
citizens even have lawyers working on the refusal of right to petition but the permit process marches right along at DEP.
DEP pretty much sold their soul to Wind industry...
Patriots Renewable told land owners on Saddleback Ridge that DEP is guaranteed to except SBW project but having problems with Colonel Holman landowners. Problem???? If SBW permitted, then transmission lines run right over The Colonel...at that point you might as well hook up.
I am sorry EF needs to use such media driven tactics. I am sorry Erik and Willow are treated as criminals when we know no harm was done to anyone except Sisk Mountain...
If editors do indeed read the comments...you will be embarrassed when these big wind turbines ruin Maine. OR in ten years when Angus King owns mlutimillion dollar homes with best views going, paid by the taxpayers. I hope these home owners find water on top of those mountains and I do hope they pay property taxes.
Earth First are trying to wake America up..Maine take a hike or a ride to a mountaintop, look around....then thank the creator for that feeling.
wind = 75% does not blow, 5% "parasitic" draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission. Wind kills bugs, bats, birds and alters water tables.
NO water, NO life.
you put the education out there as much as possible.
you were hindered by media bias and chairperson rulings but the people of Rumford can see wind is not the future.
If only the whole river valley could be spared.
i crossed a bridge over the mighty androscoggin several times yesterday. I asked,"How can you promote wind power with all this power flowing under us?" No answer.
Rumford, so a few landowners lost money. Is it about money?
Probably, because in the end it is the devaluation of abutters property that is agitating more and more people.
We can figure out how to live in Western Maine without destroying it.
pay the fine.
when u r rich u can.
abutters had no back-up
many property owners will be mad when nature is altered.
maybe in the future u can sell your property, when the owners of turbines turn these landings into million dollar homes..
If a land owner does make money, how much money can a landowner make?
You see my town fathers are selling out for a short term gain.
Wind turbines do impact neighbors.
Neighbors want their fair share.
Turbines will devalue property with in site of ....
10 years from now turbines are depreciated....
who pays for what services?
The State law says " NO LESS THAN $4000 per turbine " The law says this " Community Benefit Package " is above and beyond property tax assessment which I think means the state can't touch this money by reducing State Revenue Sharing or Education Allotments. Of course many towns use TIFs to keep money from from being used to reduce State Revenue Sharing and Education Allotments, but these towns are not allowed to establish TIF contracts without citizen approval. With this Community Benefit Package allowing for a similar avenue to " shelter money " and the law specifically states this Community Benefit Package money CAN be used to reduce individual property taxes, why shouldn't this be brought forth for citizen approval ?
For those who saw Tom Powell speak. If turbines are bullying their way into our valleys get your money's worth.
Say no to this rushed ordinance and start thinking of how to recoup the loss of property values.
The State law says " NO LESS THAN $4000 per turbine " The law says this " Community Benefit Package " is above and beyond property tax assessment which I think means the state can't touch this money by reducing State Revenue Sharing or Education Allotments. Of course many towns use TIFs to keep money from from being used to reduce State Revenue Sharing and Education Allotments, but these towns are not allowed to establish TIF contracts without citizen approval. With this Community Benefit Package allowing for a similar avenue to " shelter money " and the law specifically states this Community Benefit Package money CAN be used to reduce individual property taxes, why shouldn't this be brought forth for citizen approval ?
There will be law suits Rumford. Protect yourself. This ordinance does not protect you.
NO NO NO boston based first wind DID NOT pay for signs and offering to invest 65 million in Rumford.
You you you the tax payers are supplying the funds.
You the poor people of western Maine will pay for this mistake the rest of our children's lives.
I hope people living with-in 3 miles from these farms never want to sell their house.
Sale lost on Common Road. Buyer heard turbines were coming.
2 Sales lost in Highland due to turbine threat.
I am sure when the real estate business comes forward with buyer refusals based on wind turbines we will not be surprised.
Rumford, the value of the turbines will depreciate and so will your land values. Who pays for services then?
wind = 75% does not blow, 5% parasitic" draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission. Wind turbines kill bats, birds, bugs. Wind turbines alter water tables. No water.....no life.
a motion to discuss wind vote at 7 pm was 34 yes 24 no.
2/3 vote needed.
at 9:15 pm Land owners from the common road and colonel holman mountain areas were way up past their bed times. Some had sleeping babies in their laps, some left early.
several counts of the votes in the audience differed from clerks. who really knows?
Dixfield,
75% wind does not blow, 5% "parasitic" draw from the grid, 10-30% loss in transmission.
Turbines will operate Noise Reduction mode at night because of out of compliance to the liberal 45 dcbs allowed.
THEY ARE NOT GREEN, they do not produce.
At year 10 these turbines are 50% devalued.
add surrounding homes devalued at 50% and Dixfield is not looking too good.
Dixfield, If you invested in your property for future value, you need to express your concerns in writing.
We are working on a mailing list of impacted land owners.
first vote to discuss wind power clocked in at 34 wanting to vote and 24 not. 2/3 majority would have had 34 citizens talking about why they came to this meeting.
In stead mothers with children sleeping in their laps, older, land owners, way past their bed time.
The final count on the wind issue was 25-25, 26-24, 27-26????????? cannot say for sure.
I can say that 25 land owners are concerned about their property values.
What happens when the turbines are 50% value and all the land with-in 3 miles from turbines is 50% value?
Dixfield will regret killing colonel holman for nothing.
okay so we are killing the earth with these wind turbines. Bats, birds, bugs, water tables altered.
Any one with-in sight of these farms has their property de valued.
Year 1+2 look good for the taxes. year 3 school, county and revenue sharing kick in. By year 10 the turbines are depreciated to 50%. Your tax base is going away.
In the 10 year interim land values with-in miles of these farms is also gone.
What happens when you have a bankrupt town? No services.
I have lived off the grid without services for 10 years now.
Kevin,
This is not about "green" energy.
The fact these turbines will be turned down at night because of noise violations tells you it is not about generating power.
The fact that the media touts full capacity when quoting how many homes it will power up is a LIE.
Wind blows less than 25% of the time.
Wind turbines still need power when wind is not blowing.
10 - 30% loss in transmission lines pretty much puts wind in a negative production category.
One job, maybe.
since you weren't able to answer any of the questions that were asked the other night at the meeting obvisouly you don't understand the ordiance so how would you know if it was fair and protective or not?
word on the street is citizen's did not know what they were voting for.
words in citizens kitchens is they were not told of these things.
either way life is being destroyed....stop it. please
Mark, the money is fleeting...if there is a 'green" movement, Maine should be the place.
A home without fossil fuels.
The old fashioned way.
Jobs in farming, firewood and talents, not fake power...we do not need them.
We need our water.
Mark,
You must be for Industry for money only.
If this electricty is needed why are the companies putting half the turbines on Noise Reduction Operation from 7 pm -7am every night? Wind Industry just wants the turbines up. They do not have to be running to get the second round of stimulis grants from your grand children. Renewable Energy Credits are sold.
Mark,
They are destroying Roxbury Lake basin as I write. Are you happy that water tables are altered, never to return? Once Maine blasting and drilling crack the water table on top of the ridge, the ridge dies. Herbicides make sure any rooted vegetation does not come back.
Tell your grandchildren why that dead bed rock ridge line is there.
You know that the decommisioning starts at ten years because after that the turbines are obsolete.
I hope the landowners are ready to maintain that high road because the industry has left.
If stormwater events happen (yearly) the road erodes more and more. Down goes all that sediment to Ellis Pond. Brooks clogged, habitats altered.
Are you ready to explain this to your grandchildren?
If so, I would love to read your reasonings.
Alice Barnett Carthage Maine
before the blades spin.... filling, blasting of a mountain top dries up the water for ever.. no water, no life.
Rumford, you feel like you do not have a say in your future, They tell you money is the answer. Rumford, you will have 3-400 turbines in your valley. Roxbury lake will die. Water on the mountain tops gone. Blade turbines are not the answer. Please wait another year. If Wind is the answer, the industry will still be knocking aT YOUR DOOR.
Let the sidewalks crumble for a year.
I live in the river valley and smelled the mill for years. The mountain tops are not mine but they affect me and my children.
they do not know they are doing a dis service. they are uneducated.
Educational Supper Friday May 20, 2011 3-7 pm Dixfield High School.
Utility sized wind generators or alternatives?
they ae building the substation now, photos and all.
I cannot wait for the cracking of the higher elevations and vernal pools and water table gone.
water gone.....life gone.....
the insert is from the weekly reports of Record Hill Wind LLC
" Blasting activity has created some cracks in the ledge, which have allowed some groundwater seeps access to daylight. This water is being directed by ditch to the temporary pond. "
keep telling them like it is. enough littls guys and we win.
wind = 75% wind does not blow, 5% "parastic" draw, 10-30% loss in transmission.
Angus and the wind industry does not know how to add.
2009 I Went to a wind meeting in Carthage Maine where you could ask questions.
My husband asked; 1st selectman, Steve Brown if this proposed Saddle Back Wind Project is a "done deal"? Selectmen pointed out that private property owners can act as they wish.
Okay, on the screen, comes a photo-simulation of the SBW turbines.
I recognized the area of the photo shot and saw turbines as tall as the mountains. I ask, "Is there a visual law?". "No", says Patriot Renewables.
Many citizens left that meeting feeling "hope less".
One year later Citizens Windtaskforce.org started challenging what they read.
I signed up for underground education because I never saw a bad word about Industrial Wind in the public newspapers.
2010 I am asked to see how many "receptors" want a public hearing about SBW. I started chasing down addresses and phone numbers until the time limit.
I contacted 24 of the 34 "receptors" on a study list of the IW developer.
These 24 did not know IW was planned.
Now I know citizens rights are being neglected.
Whose responsibility to protect health and welfare of citizens?
selectmen?
wind developer?
DEP?
representatives?
Thank You for reading. alice barnett carthage maine
Citizens from the common road and severy hill road were not told of an Industrial Wind Farm being built in their backyard until McKay and Tibbetts started trekking around Dixfield.
Us government decided for the people that wind power will save the earth.
They took your taxes (or grandchild's)and awarded grants to Industrial Wind Companies (about 30% start-up)and then promised another 25% grant when project completed. (not on grid yet)
Then said if you have the capacity we will give you REC Renwable Energy Credits to sell.
Win for wind but not the taxpayers.
Citizens still do not have all the information yet but
A SUPPER AT Dirigo High School in Dixfield on Friday May 20,2011 from 3-7pm will help gather some education.
Supper, writings, sightings, music, podium for those with guts. A lot of mingling and talking with hopefully up to date truths.
FREE EDUCATION
lake control only? or can power be produced here?
Oh my! 46 want wind industry
37 want to stop this war on the earth.
60 megawatt capacity reduces to 5-10 megawatts to customers.
75% wind does not blow (or turned off because of noise)
05% "parasitic" use from grid
10-30% transmission line loss
I have 2 sheets of information from Eaton Peabody.
There is a discrepency of 20 million dollars on the value of the project.
Remember folks, a tax dollar DE-valuation of properties with-in 2 miles will off set any gain.
Ask what the real valuation is. Ask Freedom why they reassessed the assetts. They ran out of money.
Wind energy is killing the earth.
any nameplate capacity needs reducing by 80-90%
wind does NOT blow = 75%
"parasitic" loss = 5%
transmission line loss = 10-20%
No one gains.
The Earth loses.
I think there is more coming about the wind industry. I know of many that put pen to paper.
BUT, Tom Carroll spoke first. You know about first impressions.
Thank You for doing what your heart says to do.
I try to go a day without planning how to stop the madness, cannot be done.
My heart is breaking.
tourism, i heard the governorship say something about micro-tourism.
what does that mean?
Western Maine haS THE LEAST LIGHTS OF USA. LURC passed a decision to keep it that way.
If "green" is the buzzz word then think of the dollars to be made offering NO FOSSIL FUEL breaks in the city dwelllers life.
NO FOSSSIL FUEL means a battery storage (yes u can still flip a switch) and wood heat.
If the vacationers do not know how to keep a wood fire going, I will gladly check on them daily; for a fee.
Money cannot buy back our ground water once the WIND cracks it open.
Money cannot feed wildlife.
Money will go away and what is left? Survival in place.
Buy local, work local, don't drive.
Wood is replacing oil in Western Maine. Loggers are back in business.
Local, local, local.
The wrongness of wind as an energy source is driving me loco.
no wonder town officials in Maine believe the wind industry and bite the carrot. $$$$$
I heard the governor say he will not allow subsidies, rebates, tax breaks any longer.,
Yes, let private Industry pave the way. If the service is needed, we will pay.
or ??? no answers.
learned from the Fox Islands wind project that siting turbine towers 2,500 feet from an abutting landowner “would have been a good idea.” Spruce mountain and Saddleback would not be in the pickle they are in right now with 2500' set back. so Powell I will not argue that 1 mile set back is the recommendation , world wide.
Powell also recommended they add language requiring a wind developer to conduct a water aquifer study and testing of wells prior to any blasting work.
Thank You, save the ground water tables of these mountain tops.
I bet we do not understand the studies.
"affirm to wind developers that existing recreational opportunities like hunting, snowmobiling or skiing at Black Mountain aren’t compromised by placement of wind turbines."
This aint going to happen. Safety set backs will force wind industry to shut down the ridge.
Un less you work for Industry you will never see the view from these ridges again.
Meetings with Powell and selectmen should be recorded. Siassi, make sure they do. please.
several home owners in Saddleback basin asks if their spring fed wells will be affected.
The expert says most likely not. Asked if wind company did a base line study of these wells?
Well, no, they did not test these home owners wells. As they did not take sound studies at the ruralist of ruralist places. Hidden valley. They ignore my potential as a developer and decide my 60 acres are in unprotected zone. Even though I have a seasonal structure on this property and stay there overnights, all four seasons.
DEP has a way out of this project. They can interpret my seasonal structure as what it is. I will have a lawyer look at the facts and heed his advise.
STOP this DEP; find loop holes for us citizens as you do for wind industry.
Other agencies; Appalachian club, BPL, Rick James; tells of areas not addressed by wind law criterias. Blinking red lights, Saddleback ridge noise studies without 3dcb buffer, cummulative effects of out building of turbines.
One resident of Saddleback basin askes if any one on the panel read the whole application. No, not a one of them said yes. I thought so. It is huge folks, full of maps, photos, etc. I wonder if Andy Novey has read and understands the whole thing. I think not.
thank you Dr. Dosh, I hear there is a windfarm graveyard on your island. is this true?
You folks looked and found alternatives. I am hoping Mainers find an alternative to wind power.
But as Rand says, Maine does not need more power.
So, tax payers buy the farm
Massachusetts gets the power.
Everyones electrical rates go up.
Not good business or environmental sense.
how can you disagree the facts? Oh, that is right. The media does not publish the facts about wind industry. Read between the lines. crunch a few numbers.
Preston knows western Mainers have no money. His company uses our tax dollars to fight legal battles.
LET'S SEE.
Our tax dollars buy the turbines.
The power goes out of state.
Our rates triple.
Not good business.
Spruce Mountain will never be the same.Wildlife is fragmented.
and no carbon foot print displaced.
They will turn down turbines at night because of noise problems.
Not enough power made to pay for these things. No oil displaced.
Someday we will pay dearly for this wind power mistAKE.
Town Manager points out another moratorium can be put in place. I think Mr. Puiia senses this is dangerous business.
1. our childrens' tax dollar funds the projects.
2. power goes out of state. (except ROXBURY?) BRIBERY
3. electircity rates will triple.
4. wildlife is forced to move over. where?
Comments made on Saddleback Wind application at the DEP have an underlining current of DEP criterias need clarification. The "Wind Law" is vague in addressing visuals, noise and tangible benefits.
see other exhibits #2, an assessment of noise by Rick James
Alan Stearns comments on visuals.
google "wind turbine debris scatter" ice chunks have been thrown over 1400 feet from tower , 167 blade failures and ice throwing problems. safety set back where?
something about energy credits...when does the madness get revealed?
UMO has a few bright students and teachers knowing this wind energy is wrong for the world. I thought Yale had some of the brightest students on earth. Where are they?
someone told selectmen that safety is in the falling of the towers.
While flying ice and blade parts scatter over 1500 feet.
Someone leads the selectmen to believe there is salvage value in the towers themselves.
China makes these carbon composite towers because most countries have environmental laws that control toxic by-products. USA cannot re-melt.
Reed and Reed claim ownership of the largest crane in Maine. How much does that cost? (deduct from salvage)
Every project stopped gives a chance for unspent stimulis money to go back into coffer.
I see education has aluded people. What to believe.
People must sense these blade turbines are bad.
There is another way to spend our dollars.
Wind energy money will be there in a year. Take your time.
Many parts of the huge application will be addressed to the DEP on March 10 at Dixfield high School; dinner hour 4-6 hosted by RVAAW (River Valley Alliance Against Wind)
Homemade and homegrown food.
Many a conversation going on. Listen to your neighbors, see the maps. Add education.
1. effectively ban because 45dcb at night in a rural area will be heard.
2. stricter than state regs... 45 dcb at night in a rural area will be heard.
3. existing state regulations do not address a multitude of visual questions.
There are red strobing lights. There is road flicker. 45 dcb at night in a rural area will be heard. Decommisssioning. Wild life studies. on and on
What benefits "do you feel" is not qualitative nor quantifying.
What drawbacks? are quantifying. If you think you will see them. feel them hear them.
Know for a fact rates have gone up in other areas. Know the fragmentation of wildlife by huge, road cut expanses.
Peru residents, come to Dixfield March 10 6-8 pm. Tell DEP the citizens of the valley should have been warned.
Who will see Spruce Mountain from their beautiful homes in West Peru? How long before you see turbines everywhere?
Is that what you want?
so far, most commentors are pleading for the DEP to count the citizens voices.
We are trying every way possible.
Letters to the editors.
Legislation.
comments.
Petitions signed by hundreds.
The DEP meet, March 10 in Dixfiled, we hope to give signed testimonies. What?
Media needs to do a story with anti-wind leaders, Dan McKay and Cathy Mattson.
Ask Rumfords' selectmen how much they learn when these people ask questions of the DEP.
There are others in the River Valley Alliance Against Wind that can answer questions; they have studied it for years now.
Now John Q. Taxpayer is stuck working longer hours to repay K&G's bank loan. John Q. will also see a significant increase on his electricity bill and his local taxes will probably go up to pay for the removal of the rusting eyesores that now desecrate the mountains.
Local taxes go up as a result of 40% devaluation 2 miles around turbines and trying to work within TIF authorities.
The senery will never be the same. Even if I do not own the mountain tops I do love to look at them.
any one who is a receptor of these huge (450'+) tall turbines, whether driving to work or watching a night sky should come to this public meeting.
This does not stop in Carthage. Roxbury, Rumford, Dixfield, Canton then Peru soon.
We all chose to eek out a living here in Maine, mainly because of its beauty.
We love our woods, we loved our freedom until lately.
Rocky mountain Terrain Park, Patrick Gorham, cabin owners on siven mile stream will hear these machines. Rollins Ridge on Severy Hill will hear them. common Road in Dixfiled will hear them. Waites, Noyes and others on Canton Mountain will hear them.
Wind is not the answer. Read between lines of the media.
Mainers have a chance of living without fossil fuels. Wood heat; on site solar.
Our tax dollars are paying for this wind experiment and the power goes out of state.
You grid users will pay for it in rate hikes.
I am sorry our selectmen did not warn us of this attack. We are scrambling hard to learn and catch up. RVAAW
If you read Saddleback Wind application comments you see under visual studies that agencies need clarification of visual impacts from the attorney general. You read in the comments that noise studies need standardizing.
Okay Rumford area; bring up road flicker, red, strobing lights, debris scatter, decommissioning.
Noise will be a whole session.
Too much to learn. I never thought of erosion control and whose responsibility it is.
Wild life is studied wrong but as a layman, I haven't the qualifications to prove it.
DEP is holding a public meeting at Dixfield High School, Thursday March 10 6-8 pm.
A lot will be learned at this meeting.
slowly the media is exposing the wind industries scam.
Notice Wind Industry talks about jobs now, rather than "green" or "fossil fuels".
Scientists have proven Wind energy is a low density energy and will not provide enough power for the world.
If you do not allow wind to destroy your mountain tops then you can develop slowly into the "Vacation Land" and tourism industry. Or sustainable wood.
We are the Alaska of New England and need to preserve the wildrness.
If all that stimulis dollar was used to expand Black Mountain of Maine; there would be jobs.
Bethel area is counting their wildlife now. I bet they count 100 times more creatures than Wind Industry studies.
Zach, are you from the area? Maybe Andover area? Are you related to the Farringtons that are ingenius and experiment in their barns how to make machines more efficient? Modify machines to help you out? I remember meeting some Farringtons and admired their mechanical abilities.
Yes, innovations. Heat pumps are made in maine. Insulation helps. I use solar panels for our electricity. We have a small 400 watt wind generator.
It does help when no sun. But, from day one, the noise has bothered me.
I talked to a lady last night. She said she went to Costa Rica and saw valleys full of wind turbines. No one was sick. The noise was bearable.
I looked up Costa Rica and they are mostly hydro and geo-thermal powered.
3% of Costa Ricas power generation is wind.
I do not know how many valleys will be needed for Costa Rica to depend on wind.
I bet Costa Rica does not have enough land for this low density energy.
Low density means it requires more space to create the energy.
My point is. Western Maine has only so many mountain tops. It will require over 2000 turbines and how many miles of transmission lines? to make a difference in (NOT MAINES) power bills.
Hydro power energy is denser because water is denser than air. Requires less space.
nameplate capacity = 19.25 MW
nameplate is 100% of generators capacity
Wind turbines in Maine are generating under 18% (UMPI, Stetson)
Under 4 MW??? help me out here.
average US home = 10,000 kwh yearly
400 homes powered by this project
400 homes times $20,000 on-site solar generation is $8 million dollars.
No transmission line loss, minimum carbon foot print. Lasts 20-30-40 years and counting.
So go our US tax dollar into the big grid of power.
Mainers can get off fossil fuels at home. Wood fired and solar powered.
Borrow against taxes you would receive later in life.
Devalue a 2 mile limit around the high valued Tax Increment Financer.
Value of land on mountain top goes up; value of land around it goes down.
In 15 years when the turbines are valueless where are your tax dollars?
What is the value of these turbines?
Patriot Renewables tells Carthage $66 million for 12 turbines. 180% of the tax base.
Last night I saw a sheet of paper saying 10-12 turbines in Dixfield are worth $30 million.
Why?
Ask the question of how turbines are taxed?
Is it on capital investment or price of electricity sold?
What happens when they loose a rotor? Do they ask town for abatement?
If sale of electricity is base; then what happens when noise level complaints cause turbines shut down at night? No sale.
No tax.
Some how this is leading up to fast installments, collect stimulis, you are your own towns.
Income Tax dollar finaces town tax dollar.
peru,
thanks for the informational meeting.
150% of turbine heighth is minimal...
google; wind turbine debris scatter. documented proof of 87 cases of debris scatter in the 1300-1400 foot range.
This means eventually insurance companies will require shut down of 1500+ feet surrounding these towers. Where are your snow machine trails? Who will be able to climb a mountaintop any more?
if I could turn back time.
Do not let Carthage succumb to false promises. Come to the DEP last public meeting in Carthage in March. Watch for date. If you like living in Maine because of its beauty and wilderness. "Quality of Place" Call DEP, tell them to change noise laws eual to WHO.(World Health Organization, 40 dcb))
Tell DEP you do not want to see red, strobing lights on Spruce Mountain.
Tell them responsible development creates a stronger tax base than turbines.
typo maybe? DEP is 150%
Vinal Haven, Mars Hill, Freedom, worldwide; over 45dcb 0ver a mile a way.
WHO (World Health Organization) states 40 dcb as threshold of annoyance.
dcb is logorythmic and 5 dcb is doubling + the noise level.
"Quality of Place"
visual impacts of red, strobing light at night have not been addressed in DEP permit applications.
40% devaluation of land with-in 2 miles of turbines is not figured in tangible benefits.
before the wind company. make sure you include everyone with-in a mile.
Do not forget property with-in 2 miles will be devalued. In 15 years, turbines value is gone.
borrow against taxes you would receive later in life.
devalue a 2 mile limit around the high valued tax increment financer.
value of land on mountain top goes up; value of land around it goes down.
In 15 years when the turbines are valueless where are your tax dollars?
pull out a map of Maine and start circling 2 miles around every project proposed.
News, list these projects in one article so the reader knows the great impact to the earth.
Earth will never be the same. I am sorry.
temporary jobs in wind are funded by your tax dollar. (working welfare?)
wind energy is killing the earth; from the blades and magnets (china is taking over manufacturing of turbines because other countries passed environmental laws)
to clearcutiing, gouging wet lands, killing birds and bats and the air we breathe.
Look at the birds eye view of the wind turbulence. Army radar confuses them with tornadoes.
What particulates are passing around?
Maine is vacation land and I guess us Mainers need to serve out of staters.
Most out of staters come once a year and want rustic wilderness living as opposed to industrial sprawl.
Temple, these turbines are taller than most of our mountain tops.
Is that what you want? Is that what Mainers want to see? Everywhere.
I live off the grid , heat with wood, generate electricity witth solar panels. I do use deisel to fuel my tractor to snow blow our mile long road. I do not ask the town for help. Mr King, We are mainers and we will live here 12 months of the year. down size.
see facebook friends of saddleback. we are trying to dig into these huge applications being accepted..in the name of money and saving the earth.
What are the studies after the turbines are up?
They plan on planting dead, possibly deseased, carcasses periodly to see if the study group finds them.
They want citizens to record noise problems and tell DEP. After it is too late? The study will go on for years. If noise problems still exist, they turn off turbine, So much for saving the earth.
And when they turn off turbines, they ask for tax rebates. On and on, let us have some public debates with proof on the wall.
we cannot stop educating citizens of the scam destroying earth. see facebook friends of saddleback... we are attempting to bring clarity to the huge application Patriot
Renewables has at Carthage town office.
Dear reader,
Wind energy is killing the earth.
Wind turbines devalue land.
Wind jobs created by your tax dollar.
Let wesern Maine Mountains grow as tourism (ski industry, casino) wilderness (Maine Guides) vacation homes.
Maine will go up in value for vacation green homes.
Let us show them how to do it. Wood fired cottages (not 3 story buildings) with on site electrical generation (2+k solar)..some plumbing and then enjoy Maine. for 30-40-50 years.
changes of charter need votes. Most of the landowners in Maine reside out of state. Cannot vote.
Ah, landowners are taxpayers and cummulitively their voices can be heard? Written down. Start an association.
Receptors. I do not know webster's definition but any one affected by noise, vibrations, visuals of a neighbor is a receptor.
Receptors count with state agencies.
Each letter from each receptor can be counted as a vote. Enough votes (complaints) (note! only receptors can write)
Pay for registered letter of a receptor vote. Fires and all happen to collected letters.
Okay, rate payer......along as you need delivered services; you pay.
Write to LURC , DEP; state where you are a receptor. public park, seasonal home, private home. tell them why your view, silence or feelings will be affected by neighbors actions.
Help the administration know what gets impacted by others actions.
LURC and DEP want public input. Problem is; people feel in adequate around all this industry language . The public can call or e-mail these agencies with just a complaint about the visuals of turbines from Mount Blue State Park,.or their own back yard. State where you live and recreate and how the problems are personal. A big problem in the river valley is the media has not made the public aware of the multiple projects projected. Record Hill, Black Mountain, twin peaks, Saddleback ridge, Colonel Holman, Canton mountain, Spruce Mountain. Everywhere you drive in the river valley; you will see, hear and feel these generators.
Stated; selectmen agree on safety setbacks at 150% of turbine blade height. about 630 feet from turbine.
Several audience members offered to bring proof that wind turbine scatter debris is in the 1300 - 1400 feet from turbine. A google search will enlighten people on the reality of what area an insurance company will make these developers close off to the public.
The meetings in Rumford are bringing to light some of the in-adequacies of DEP's version of wind industry impact standards.
DEP does not mention road flicker issues.
DEP does not address RED STROBING LIGHT at night.
DEP's Andy Fisk said DEP used World wide standards as their basis on most of the safety requirements.
Any one reading about wind industry knows it is failing, World Wide.
Wake-up America.
three projects (vinal haven, mars hill, freedom) prove sound studys are wrong.
Developer should pay for more study before applications are accepted.
Any people living within 2 miles of these slated projects should contact DEP.
Proof is worldwide that residents are affected beyond DEP's 2000 foot set-back.
Thank You Dr. Aniel for your work above and beyond your practice to keep river vally residents healthy.
mountain top homes in Sunday River and Rangeley Lakes are still selling as vacation homes.
These homes need care takers.
Carthage Maine doubled in the last 7 years. It can double again.
Wind Turbines are killing any chance for growth in Maine.
Make sure you do not live with-in 2 miles of a ridge with turbines.
If you have Lake front property, sound travels faster across water.
Call DEp LURC ask them where the projects are sited. Are you a receptor?
i saw a video where LURC received like 1700 letters explaining why the writers were against Plum Creek. LURC received 6 letters for Plum Creek. Let the people speak.
Hopefully people write to LURC how they really feel about Wind Turbines ruining pristine Maine.
People, e-mail LURC, does not matter when, just tell them. LURC wants to know.
Mr. Buccina may have an ego, but this is not the problem. Mr. Buccina knows more about the wind industry than others want to know.
Either way, any citizens within 2 miles from proposed ridges must be notified.
Carthage selectmen neglected to contact receptors of Saddle back Ridge. Now these 50-60 people are getting madder and madder.
They are realizing that the property they invested in is not resellable.
From day one, Carthage 1st selectman has told the citizens "It is a done deal" "private property rules".
Public meetings are turning one sided. Wind proponets are scared someone may expose their faults.
It is not the citizens fault, the media has helped flaunt wind industry as our way out of a failing economy. Mountains in Maine are selling as developments. Sunday River area, Rangeley, ect.
Please our mountains and rivers are worth more as vacation homes and steady growth. (Carthage doubled in value in 7 years) The wind industry will kill this growth.
everywhere you go in Maine you will see these things.
Yes, us back woods people are in love with the wild ness of maine.
We pay dearly for our remotness. We plow our own roads, we haul firewood. We put up with little electricity use on no sun days. We know nature in our back yards.
I believe Wind companies are not telling citizens and government officials the whole picture.
Last poll I voted in at Bangor Daily News. Anti-wind had over 1000 votes and pro-wind about 300. Where are these results?
costs are hidden everywhere.
Look at UMPI and there experimental turbine.
somedays a -.06 electricity figure.
A parrasitic loss is inherent in wind turbines as when no wind, they suck from the grid.
Wind companies explain a little of the "parrasitic" loss but not all.
How much electricity required for de-icing the blades?
Wind companies give you a 35% capacity and then tell you they power up so many homes.
Sounds good for the laymen, but we know UMPI (11%) and Stetson (17%) are well below 35% capacity and CMP must furnish the electricty to keep these things warm and ready.
Lawmakers make the wind companies tell he citizens all.
Yes Dixfield needs educating. i wonder if every land owner within 2 miles of this project has been notified? I know for a fact that 24 of 38 recptors within 3000 feet of Saddleback Wind project in Carthage were not notified. And by the way these 24 receptors were not happy.
TIF does not work with RSU school districts. When host town saves other towns kick in more share of school budget.
Brookfield Power which operates the hydro project. We also have a gas powered generating plant in town that went through bankruptcy shortly after construction which understandably depreciated the plant and effects the taxes .
ok we need another power source in rumford. oh yeah the mill makes power
wind turbines have a debris scatter of 1500' reported worldwide. Insurance companies will mandate 1500' closure of property around turbines.
There goes our ridgelines; physically and visually.
The “advisory” committee did not fulfill its mission to “educate on the advantages and disadvantages of wind power.”
The press does not publish what is known. Give the people the simulated photos.
Show the power capacity of Presque Ilses' Wind Turbine. 11%
Investigate how much power is required when zero wind (89%). (I heard 20 kw @ turbine.)
new advisory committee of Rumford, please educate us. we want to know.
town was pressured in allowing a 45 decibel limit.
This is not a safety buffer. Noise will exceed 40 decibels. 5 or 6 turbines will be shut down at night for noise cautions. Many will hear them, feel them, more will see them.
quiet rural nightime is 20 dBa
quiet rural area is 40dBa
normal conversation is 45 tp 60 dBa
all from the State Planning Office Tech Bul #4 May 2000
The WHO stated that the recommended noise level outside the dwelling should be no greater than 40dBa so that the inside will be at 30dBa
a person talking at 2 miles away is the sound structure. The decibels off the nacelle is well over 100.
a red light every three turbines with blades turning cause trails of light in the night.
Ask Bethel, Newry how much their tax base grew in 10 years?
They are running out of mountain views. The development will come our way.
A Casino in Oxford County does mean influx of people.
Better than that; most of these developments are vacation homes.
Associations plow their roads. They have private septic and wells.
Towns gain tax base without town service increase.
Save our mountains.
Thinking maybe rich out of staters want a totally green home, self sustainable and care taken by locals.
Voters have right to know the wind projects are not about power but money.
2 new projects in Maine (Spruce and Saddleback) will turn down or off 1/2 the turbines because of noise cautions.
An industry with a 20% capacity onset now drops in half.
It is not about green. Making a huge wind turbine leaves more of a carbon foot print than can be redeemed.
As suggested; loss in development versus destruction of our views has not been evaluated.
the dam , look into hydro for the town, even if only high water.
Wind is about money. Turbines proposed in Woodstock and Carthage will be turned off half the time for sound pre cautions. A low 25% capacity will turn into a low 12%. Did that dam ever make electricity?
Imagine offering a business free electricity if they built in your town?
I voted for Casino because of money. Jobs, jobs, jobs.
Jobs in wind power lasts as long as government money is there.
Turbine projects in Maine propose turning off turbines at night because they will exceed noise thresholds (above 45 decibels).
So, with 25% capacity now shut down to 12% capacity I can not see how power is the wind developers main concern.
Help me here. I do not know it all. Thank You
Concrete is largely impervious to to damage and rust and is one of sturdiest building materials in the world — but it is responsible for a large amount of emissions in the construction industry.
Is wind power really a clean, effective means of reducing global warming? While wind turbines are non-polluting once they are up and running, the manufacture, transport and construction of a wind turbine produces thousands of tons of carbon-based emissions. Every step — from mining the ore to making the steel, moving parts by ship or overland, constructing access roads, and operating giant cranes and excavators — creates emissions. Building the access roads alone produces nearly ten thousand tons of emissions.
The problem of mercury pollution associated with wind projects is rarely mentioned, yet significant. Cement manufacturing releases large amounts of mercury from the limestone used as raw material. Figuring that North Country wind projects require about 180,000 lbs. (90 tons) of cement per turbine base, and figuring that 0.09 – 2 lbs of mercuy are released per ton of cement (according to EPA measurements), this means 5 – 10 lbs of mercury are indirectly released into the environment for every turbine built. For a 100 turbine windplant, 500 – 1000 lbs of mercury pollution is worth noting. (Environmental analysts note that cement production is one of the biggest sources of mercury pollution.)
be sure and see the film of Kibby project. these towers are huge.
the base of these towers have 30 - 40 foot rods drilled or filled into the earth.
a vibration can be felt but not measured?
2.75 MW tower stands about 450 feet.
A full grown tree is 80-90 feet.
These towers are massive and can be seen 50 miles away.
Hope Freemonts fly over Kibby project gets publicized.
I hear the red lights are quite intrusive to our starry nights. What happened to the agreement on earth to limit night light?
but that is tha ambience of western Maine mountains most nights.
The wind as a spirit running through the trees; is a far cry from the mechanical sound of the turbine.
how far away was the ice throw? how far away from turbine does this family live?
again, Carthage town government let this LLC (limited liability; 1 million in insurance coverage) in. I hope a petition from the voters lets the voters back in.
one vote was 43-48 jeezzz if i were town government, i would ask again.
on well, back to educating.
odd , my mind says any nature conservancy wont allow wind farms. Yet I think Mahoosuc conservancy gave an easement to a wind farm next door on Spruce Mountain.
Golden Eagles, as well as Bald live on Spruce Mountain.
Please look into the validity of the alternative energy wind mills create.
Manufaturing the wind mills cost more carbon foot print than the mill can mitigate in it's lifetime.
yes, agreed a noise ordinance should be in place across the board for any future businesses.
The paper mill has cleaned it self up through mandates of the federal government.(maybe they will work on noise levels)
Businesses can be green and still save our beautiful mountains.
Tourism and development create far more jobs in any town than huge turbines killing our environment.
If the same energy used in fighting growth of medicinal marijuana was spent promoting our farmers; an extra income could be had by any who worked the land.
Which, by the way, if you hike a little bit into our woods you can ask the animals how they feel.
A mile set back from property lines is protecting property values as well as citizens health.
IF these big wind machines did actually make money or energy we would welcome this form of alternative energy.
Instead; Big Wind is on a fast track expediting towns approvals . They receive stimulus money as soon as these 480 foot monsters go up. The turbines do not have to be hooked to the grid.
I do not know what happened to Kathryn Skelton and her investigation into these scams.
I never see a photo simulation in the press.
Please read between the lines. Europe has cancelled stimulus funds for wind energy after ten years of investing in jobs and energy; then seeing neither is there to offset the tax payers investments.
We need to protect future generations of this malady and give them the earth's resources
intact.
I do not know what wind companies give land owners for price value, but surely development is spreading our way from Bethel and Rangeley.
If towns need money; invest in tourism; vistas, water, hiking, sking and yes maybe a casino.
What do all these credos of theirs mean? They live lifes in 4 walls and process numbers, dollar bills.
Do they have experience as a rural mainer?
Do they wake up to the sun and see these western mountain views?
We, the workers, provide the money via future taxes.
These wind companies are investing nothing in your community, you are.
They are LLC s buying mountainstops, expediting roads and passage ways for energy.
20 years from now these companies own mansions on our mountaintops.
They view other mansions. They own our water, our air and our land.
Record for your children how the mountaintops instill awe. How we once saw wild animals.
Quoting a native american friend. THis is genocide to animals.
We drove to Mars Hill last week and 50 miles away the big pin cushion was visible.
Main street had a few shops open but many were boarded up and closed for business.
Friends in the area said the animals have left there homes on the hill and moved down river. Certainly the tall towers, visible for miles, are not conducive to that wild Maine feeling.
The power from these 28 mills goes to Canada. Does Maine get the Kudos as energy credit in the big race for wind as our alternative energy?
Alternative, green energy, renewables, I guess, are all around us. Our choice is how labor intensive do we want it.
I feel like a third worlder up here, on the mountain, moving fire wood almost every day.
I am hoping an idea for solar or wind power transferring energy directly to an element,( by passing the batterries), will help heat my home in winters to come.
A choice was made 10 years ago when we decided mountain living was what we wanted.
We bought solar panels, a small windmill and some batteries and pugged in. It took a few months of adjusting to shutting down any electrical apparatus not in use. We charged batteries with a generator alot the first years. Now, after buying additional solar panels each year, four remote homes function with necessities like internet, tv, lights and fans. (even air conditioning on hot, sunny days at peak heat)
The ridge we live on does not have electricity delivered. In fact, nothing is delivered. We plow our own road and haul in gas. Despite no niceties, 10 cabins have been built and more planned. The development of this ridge is geared off the grid.
People of Garland Pond live off the grid. As technology advances the quieter the pond is.
Generators are replaced with solar panels. It takes time but there are alternative energies all around us; one solar panel at a time eventually makes an array.
I wish the governor could count all these individual solar panels as part of his goal in alternative energy.
Freemont Tibbetts is fighting a war without guns. He is in his eighties and probably wont see these huge wind towers he talks about. He is a man who had to work the land or the consquences were; your family went without. He has seen an industrial nation gone wild and then tamed again with cleaner rivers. Clear cutting stopped. Water supply in demand. He is fighting for the future.
I am sure camping, farming and sustainable forestry and even a water tower are not industrial turbines. I guess the zoning should have looked more at water and air protection laws; as this is what they mean in stopping these huge industrial wind turbines from blasting our mountain tops.
A picture paints a thousand words.
A good part of the growth council dvd was scanning the river valleys majestic mountain ridges.
And then a definite speech from Rob Gardiner of 1st Wind.
The fact the growth council promotes the river valley with this 11 minute movie is taking a stand for pro-wind.
Simulate the wind turbines on those same ridges in your movie and then attract sustaining businesses.
it is not about upgrades. Record Hill is almost under construction for wind turbines, but not yet...company ran out of money. Unless they get yet another loan from our government, they can not go forward. Maybe PUC is sealing the future for no transmissionn line in Roxbury by making Wind company pay up front.
Karen, keep writing. we are reading.
tourism is still a business with many jobs from high level management to service.(turnpike traffic has doubled in 4 years)
farmers could make a living if the medical marijauna law was honored.(count the patients)
sustainable foresty is what everyone needs and wants
development of homes on mountain sides is on the rise. (bethel, newry, rangeley)
I have loved off the grid for 10 years and continuing to teach neighbors.
Industrial Wind mills do not work. The Germany Experience.
I feel for the innocent animals
a wind mill cannot make enough energy in it's lifetime to build itself. ow
wind mills are built overseas (no jobs for us)
destroy earth to save the earth??????
have you ever echoed on the mountains of Maine?
echoes of thumping wind turbines.
keep energy generation on site; minimal transmission lines, pipes,visual, interference
there is a problem with Federal Government and Big Wind links.
they are caught in huge tax payer subsidies and need to twist the truth .
Us nimbys searched for the truth, found it and then are censored by the newspapers in displaying the photos and imformation we have.
google The Germany Experience.
I am a nimby with a small wind turbine in my front yard and 400 watts of solar panels. Total cost = $3000 I live off the grid for ten years. No generator.
ummmm clair, gee
$3 million a turbine x 1000 turbines = 3,000,000,000 how much is that?
now divide by $ 10,000 an (on site home solar set-up) and how many get off the grid?
Please take the same stimulis $ for these huge, inefficient ,mass animal lair destroying turbines, and give to the average home owner/ tax payer. many jobs in the administration of this package.
Karen,
why are we being censored? Why is the only education through the back door as comment sections?
Please keep writing, it is one of our tools.
I am educating door to door this month with a petition for wind ordinance in hand. I am an IMFY and i have lived off the grid for 10 years.
Allice Barnett, south carthage Maine
transcanada bought this mountain when they put up mitigaion money.
senator collins is proud of the fact she traded this mountain for a mountain in Newry .
bethel area depends on pristene mountain tops from the Sunday River Ski perspective.
mitigation? kill wetlands in Kibby save a wet land somewhere
earth first people; how do i meet you?
The common sense side of me asks questions. Why not invest that same money in individual or neighborhood-based (or solar panels) wind mills? Windmills which are small and have little, if any, impact on our environment or on the quality of life for the animals and citizens in its vicinity? With American ingenuity, we could certainly build the facilities to manufacture these in large numbers, and we have a sizable segment of our population anxious to find good jobs.
These individual power plants could result in thousands of homes being removed from the grid.
Citizens’ electric bills would be lower or even non-existent, and if more power was produced than the homeowners used, it could be sold back to the public utility companies. For example (and I’ll try to use conservative numbers): If one home-sized model cost $20,000.00, then 10,000 individual windmills could be established state-wide for the same amount of money as the Highland industrial wind project will incur. Think of the jobs created; from manufacturing, to set-up, to electrical and maintenance! Think of the money saved on power bills! When you think of home-sized windmills, the power does seem free, and much, much ‘greener’.
Not a NIMBY an IMFY
In my front yard is a windmill; south facing are solar panels,
In my neighbors front yard is a windmill, also south facing, are solar panels.
Neither hears or sees the others.
Their is one town service we utilize.
We drive 2 1/2 miles to haul buckets of town supplied, salted sand.
We hand sand our road.
We live one mile off US highway, on a dirt road, maintained by the land owners.
Fire wood is gathered all year long.
We live off the grid.*
No delivered services.
The federal government subsidizes anyone who sets up alternative energy. ( a 30% tax break)
each individuals move off fossil fuels is a greater green.
Recent Comments
with-in 2 miles
Any property owner with-in 2 miles of Black Mountain should express their opinion at the polls.
Dan, DEP would have you talk with IFWL with your knowledge. Do not kill the mountain tops. We need them
sumner property values go up.
just remember, Sumner's property values will go up while host towns value goes down.
at least one mile
Good Job everyone.
At least a mile set-back because 3 sound modeling maps of the area, Spruce, Saddleback and Canton show 35-45 dBA at one mile....45dBA being the Gamesa 2.75 MW, 35 dBA = 2MW Gamesa.
You guessed it. The turbines are getting taller and larger and the DEP codes are not addressing this issue.
And thanks for saving the bats and birds too. alice mckay barnett - a wind warrior
sniffing since expediated WIND law
KING said
B ran
EXPEDIATED
River Valley
May/16/2012
Dear neighbor,
I am writing to you because you live in a River Valley about to be assaulted by GRID scale WIND projects.
Carthage, vote for a moratorium.
Canton, sign moratorium petition at your town meeting or sooner.
Peru, you have a moratorium until November 2012.
Dixfield residents, sign a moratorium petition at the June polls.
Dixfield, Hart Daley and Scott Belskis have promised to protect the HEALTH and welfare of Dixfield Citizens.
alice mckay barnett
1 Pit road-pobox 588
Carthage, ME 04224
207-418-4404
GRID scale WIND
won't be long when money convinces people GIRD scale WIND does no harm to wildlife and can be placed in conservation easements.
I am sorry
J sought the truth and tried to explain it. I will go back and reread his columns.
He gave me a handle on the finances of GRID scale Energy. thank you
moratorium
sign the petition for a moratorium at June vote.
Hart Daley and Scott Belskis have promised to protect the health and welfare of Dixfield's future. Vote them in.
He is rude.
I watched this official ignore testimony at a hearing in Augusta. He is rude.
a grant from Patrioit Renewables
Will PR give me a grant ???
we will leave
if the ordinance is too restrictive...Tom Carroll said...."We will leave."
Clark/Donahue ordinance has a set back of 4000 feet from an occupied home. 11.1
Dixfield's code enforcement officer did the leg work and searched deeds and land and reported back to committee on how many property owners needed to be bought out.
Patriot's renewable loved it....
Any ordinance should have at least a one mile set-back to property lines because sound modeling maps show 35-45 dBA at one mile. 35 dBA exceeds the quiet rural area.of the common road. Complaints from neighbors of other IWF are from miles away.
In Dixfield's case, one mile set-back will include more property owners. Now the decision is not laid in four people's hands.
The wind industry is sure
The wind industry is sure getting a lot of press pickup of their idiotic event.
Meanwhile, May 14 is the three year anniversary of the commissioning of the UMPI wind turbine. I doubt we'll see a word on that failure.
yellow on map
see all the yellow squares? They are property owners against the proposed WIND project in Dixfield. I colored in at 1000 more acres last night. Thank You citizens of the Common, Canton Point, Severy Hill area. I know it was one more meeting when nothing got done. Don't give up.
hmmm Dosh
GRID scale WIND. Our bald eagles are threatened.
Our hydrology in our mountain ridges, blasted and poisoned.
Our electricity rates, sky rocketing due to RGGI and RPS and Transmission up grades..
Our tourism. See Bowers.
Our land devalued...on and on and on and on. Do people recreate around Hawaii's wind farms? Exclaim over the natural bauty?
King will not protect Maine
http://www.thebollard.com/bollard/?p=9913
the king and me
Crash Barry’s Angus beef
By Crash Barry
Despite what his campaign will try to tell you this year, Angus King is not a populist or an environmentalist. And he wasn’t a very good governor. King’s a lawyer/banker/plutocrat one-percenter who tries to mask his cold corporate values with folksy charm. The U.S. Senate is already full of phonies like King. We don’t need to elect another one
crashbarry.com
The Sun Journal prints: "The
The Sun Journal prints:
"The 30-page proposed ordinance stipulates turbines must be 4,000 feet from property lines . "
yet in the ordinance
11.1 All WEFUs shall be set back a horizontal distance of four thousand (4,000’) feet from
any Occupied Building in Dixfield,
http://www.dixfield.org/assets/pdfs/2012/Windmillfacility%20ordinance%20...
There is so many clarifications required from this process.
I will bring sound modeling maps to this PUBLIC hearing and let the citizen decide.
alice mckay barnett
page 19 + 20 Maine Wind energy Development assessment. OEIS
The MPUC reported on February 13, 2012 that the first six months of the Rollins
contract added $953,000 in above market costs to electric rates (~ $1.9 million per year).
http://www.maine.gov/oeis/Wind/Binder1.pdf
http://www.maine.gov/oeis/alternativeenergy.html
2. Transmission restraints will need to be eliminated so that Maine wind generation can
reach the New England market. The Western Maine Renewable Integration Study
(WMRIS) determined that integrating an additional 743 MW of wind in addition to the
362 MW of existing generation in the region would require a transmission investment of
$553 million. While there is a total of 400 MW of potential wind development in the
Maine Public Service (MPS) service area in northern Maine, there will need to be a
transmission investment needed to “connect” to the ISO-NE system.
$553 million. yikes
along with deforestation
deforestation of carbon sequesting trees, herbiciding new growth along thousands of miles of transmission lines. that is what GRID scale WIND is doing to MAINE...STOP GRID scale WIND. Earth first.
RESCIND THE RPS AND REGGIE MANDATES
Legislature Adopts Portfolio Standard
On May 29, 1997, Governor Angus S. King signed into law a bill to restructure the state's electric power industry. As of March 1, 2000, the state's investor-owned utilities will no longer own power plants. These utilities will continue to be regulated as transmission and distribution providers, and retail customers will be able to choose their electricity provider in a competitive market. Recovery of stranded costs has been referred to the PUC for adjudicatory proceedings by July 1, 1999.
The law establishes a renewable portfolio standard as a component of power provider licensing, which requires each competitive electricity provider to include no less than 30% of its supply from renewable resources, including hydro. The law also requires the PUC to establish information disclosure standards for competitive electricity providers so that consumers can make informed market choices and to establish a program allowing retail customers to make voluntary contributions to fund renewables-related research and development (R&D).
PLEASE WRITE TO YOUR LEGISLATORS AND TELL THEM TO STOP THIS FOLLY
RESCIND THE RPS AND REGGIE MANDATES
RENEWABLE MANDATE ..A REGRESSIVE TAX ???
Gouged by the Wind Renewable fuel mandates are raising electricity prices in the states. May 4, 2012
Politicians keep promising to reduce energy prices, but they keep ignoring one easy step: repeal renewal energy standards. Twenty-nine states have these rules requiring local utilities to purchase between 20% and 33% of their electric power from renewable sources. They were enacted over the past decade when lawmakers bought into the fad about cheap "clean energy." Their real effect has been to force utilities to pay above-market prices for electricity, which means higher electric bills for consumers.
No state has learned that lesson the hard way more than Minnesota. In 2007 the legislature mandated that utilities ramp up their renewables to 12% this year and 25% by 2025.
The Minnesota Rural Electric Association, which represents about 50 small utilities serving about 650,000 rural residents, reports that its members lost more than $70 million in 2011 because of the high cost of wind power. "Right now we're paying for wind power we don't need, we can't use and can't sell," says association executive director Mark Glaess.
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PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE AT :
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303592404577364244006...
WHO STARTED THIS ABSURDITY IN MAINE ??
Kibby
Who pays for maintainence????
Kibby uses Vestas V90's.....and for many months now we have heard rumors coming out of the Eustis area that the Kibby Project is having massive gearbox/generator problems.
http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=1376-M3DUER6TTDSO01-6MJHBJJ6EA...
" Vestas said it was earmarking an additional 40 million euros to pay for extra maintenance, repair or replacement of malfunctioning bearings in the gearboxes of 376 of its V90 turbines"
Vestas Slumps as Loss Almost Doubles on Wind Turbine Faults
Noise predictions
sound modeling maps are proving to be wrong. Ask Concord Pond, Roxbury Pond,Vinal Haven, Mars Hill, Beaver Ridge, Tug Hill, Ontario, Australia.
State of Maine calls 42 decibals the normal noise. No . Rural residents hear about 20 dBA. 42 dBA is more than twice as loud. vote for your ordinance, keep your peace and property values. thank you amb
Where and When?
EDP Renewables North America is holding an open house May 22 to promote wind power development.
Erickson said Maine Revenue Services would send a representative to a public hearing to clear up misunderstandings on the real tax impact of wind farms
subjective
How can the US Government report 45 decibels as the humming of a refrigerator?
How close to the fridge? What make? etc....
Rural Maine hears about 20 decibels at night. 45 decibels is over 4 times that noise or more. Each 6 decibels is almost doubling the sound.
They say turbines sound like airplanes never landing. A far cry from an airplane flying over. It will be bothersome as we are used to rural quiet but at least it ends.
WIND
WIND = 75% does Not blow and 10-30% loss in transmission.
100 MW of WIND = 10 MW = WIND is a failure.
Stick with what we know.
GRID scale WIND
majority of our out of state tourists come here to experience the wildlife and whatnot
whatnot might mean Scenic Vistas?
What do the users of the great north woods expect?
both dead
so can we revive the hydro issue?
The Public Utilities Commission said yes to hundreds of millions of your tax dollars spent on a failed Industry. WIND = 75% does NOT blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and 5% draw from GRID.
Wind pits industry against industry, environmentalists against environmentalists, and creates new and surprising enemies and allies. The Wind Industry calls this THE SPLIT.
We are facing an environmental crisis resulting from burning fossil fuels. WIND does not sequester Carbon, trees do. .and WIND requires clearcutting and herbiciding.
The benefits of expanding wind generation are NOT worth the visual impact. Not when it effects tourism. 70,000 visitors to Mt. Blue have an expectancy of seeing scenic viewshed. WIND is basically stating that Mt Blue State Park is not valued for its scenic character. Maine is highly valued for its scenic viewsheds.
You state, " It makes sense to develop alternative energy sources that could ease the burden on energy users if there is a gas price increase." Massachusetts is the energy user, not Maine and Hydro Quebec can supply their power needs. Lift the ban on hydro; there are never any fuel costs with water.
WIND industry's investment in Maine is your tax dollars funding out of state developers.
WIND industry does pollute the air. Radars cannot determine a storm from a WIND farm. Oh the dead things blowing through.
You call WIND industry a massive development.and then try to say no "adverse visual impact" Boston is insatiable it will take more than thousands and thousands of turbines to keep the lives Urbanites lead.
WIND is not the answer to Maine's energy problem because Massachusetts has the problem.
Boston is insatiable and Hydro from Canada will take care of them. Hydro really is GREEN.
http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/rising-gas-prices-a-call-for-better-e...
http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/rising-gas-prices-a-call-for-
The Public Utilities Commission said yes to hundreds of millions of your tax dollars spent on a failed Industry. WIND = 75% does NOT blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and 5% draw from GRID.
Wind pits industry against industry, environmentalists against environmentalists, and creates new and surprising enemies and allies. The Wind Industry calls this THE SPLIT.
We are facing an environmental crisis resulting from burning fossil fuels. WIND does not sequester Carbon, trees do. .and WIND requires clearcutting and herbiciding.
The benefits of expanding wind generation are NOT worth the visual impact. Not when it effects tourism. 70,000 visitors to Mt. Blue have an expectancy of seeing scenic viewshed. WIND is basically stating that Mt Blue State Park is not valued for its scenic character. Maine is highly valued for its scenic viewsheds.
You state, " It makes sense to develop alternative energy sources that could ease the burden on energy users if there is a gas price increase." Massachusetts is the energy user, not Maine and Hydro Quebec can supply their power needs. Lift the ban on hydro; there are never any fuel costs with water.
WIND industry's investment in Maine is your tax dollars funding out of state developers.
WIND industry does pollute the air. Radars cannot determine a storm from a WIND farm. Oh the dead things blowing through.
You call WIND industry a massive development.and then try to say no "adverse visual impact" Boston is insatiable it will take more than thousands and thousands of turbines to keep the lives Urbanites lead.
WIND is not the answer to Maine's energy problem because Massachusetts has the problem.
Boston is insatiable and Hydro from Canada will take care of them. Hydro really is GREEN.
http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/rising-gas-prices-a-call-for-better-e...
the question is
does Sumner want GRID scale WIND turbines or not? A WIND ordinance can be as long as it needs to satisfy lawyers but the bottom line is set-backs.
If the town WIND ordinance actually stops GRID scale WIND then go with it.
Towns people need to know that when they vote for an Ordinance it is to stop WIND.
WIND lawyers
It is weird that PRO WIND lawyer firms are used by WIND ordinance committees.
What is the slant? It seems a WIND ordinance is just that. STOP the destruction of Maine's scenic vistas. Save the health and welfare of property owners with-in 2 miles of turbines.
Voters need to know they are voting OUT wind turbines in their town with ordinances. An ordinance vote should be a NO WIND vote.
One person objected because Hamilton worked for a firm that has represented some wind power companies, including EDP Renewables North America LLC of Houston, Texas. That company received a permit in October 2011 to place a meteorological test tower off Black Mountain Road near the Sumner town line. It is considering building possibly 25 to 35 turbines, a representative told the committee in February.
hydro
The Public Utilities Commission said yes to hundreds of millions of your tax dollars spent on a failed Industry. WIND = 75% does NOT blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and 5% draw from GRID.
Wind pits industry against industry, environmentalists against environmentalists, and creates new and surprising enemies and allies. The Wind Industry calls this THE SPLIT.
We are facing an environmental crisis resulting from burning fossil fuels. WIND does not sequester Carbon, trees do. .and WIND requires clearcutting and herbiciding.
The benefits of expanding wind generation are NOT worth the visual impact. Not when it effects tourism. 70,000 visitors to Mt. Blue have an expectancy of seeing scenic viewshed. WIND is basically stating that Mt Blue State Park is not valued for its scenic character. Maine is highly valued for its scenic viewsheds.
You state, " It makes sense to develop alternative energy sources that could ease the burden on energy users if there is a gas price increase." Massachusetts is the energy user, not Maine and Hydro Quebec can supply their power needs. Lift the ban on hydro; there are never any fuel costs with water.
WIND industry's investment in Maine is your tax dollars funding out of state developers.
WIND industry does pollute the air. Radars cannot determine a storm from a WIND farm. Oh, the dead things blowing through.
You call WIND industry a massive development.and then try to say no "adverse visual impact" Boston is insatiable it will take more than thousands and thousands of turbines to keep the lives Urbanites lead.
WIND is not the answer to Maine's energy problem because Massachusetts has the problem.
Boston is insatiable and Hydro from Canada will take care of them. Hydro really is GREEN.
LD 1863
So? Can the Governor veto LD 1863? the lifting of the ban on hydro as a renewable?
Roxbury Turbines
I think the looks of the turbines are very dis respectful.
King Angus will destroy Maine
King Angus has already committed the greatest crime against the mother.
He blasted her life blood on Record Hill in Roxbury. He feeds her life blood herbicides. He slices her winged babies.
open space
Those categories are as follows:
• Ordinary Open Space - 20% reduction
• Permanently Protected - 30% reduction
• Forever Wild - 20% reduction
• Public Access - 25% reduction
In other words, if the property met all of the above requirements, the owner would see a cumulative reduction of up to 95% on the classified land.
So a GRID scale WIND developer buys huge tracts of land. They open this land to hikers, snowmobilers, et. al. They declare it forever wild and permanently protected. This will offset tax valuations on the already excelerated depreciation of turbine parts.
No tax gain .
next Senators from Maine
The four men generally agreed on most of the topics. For example, each said the country needs to boost domestic energy production but not subsidize alternative sources, such as wind and solar, that are not cost-effective on their own.
Hydro Quebec deal is good because instead of thousands of failed GRID scale WIND TURBINES on our ice-age eco system mountain tops we can ship right through our state to the insatiable Bostonians.
King Angus wants to kill our Maine
off the grid
75% WIND does not blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and a 5% draw from GRID to keep mechanism running.
I have lived off grid for 12 years. Hydro Quebec is greener than wind. If you trust your government go ahead, stay on the Grid. But, do not destroy our way of life.
ok
thank you for the clarification. will the people have to report the income???? of course.
so direct benefit is not real
Sutton said Roxbury's current tax rate is $16.86 per thousand dollars of valuation. But with the wind company now added to the tax rolls, he said that rate will drop to $7.62 per thousand dollars of valuation should town meeting voters OK everything in the warrant as written.
GRID scale WIND kills Maine.
You kill the state of Maine by destroying habitat, killing birds and mammals, fragmenting habitat, closing land [Mars Hill, Highland, Roxbury, all gated, and more to come], you destroy the wild areas and scenery that brings in both tourists and those looking to buy homes/land, and you raise electric prices, which hurts both homeowners and businesses. Tourism is $10 Billion per year to the State---the largest industry we have ever had, and those tourists are already starting to go elsewhere because of wind development.
property devaluation; with-in sight......with-in hearing there is abandonment, sold-out, relocated.......
Split the town in half...those that stand to make money and those that don't....see WINDFALL...at least the trailors.
Maine has acidic rock on mountain tops...each blast cracks the fractures. While sulfur is harmless, it is hard to convince some one to drink the smell.
Clear cuts on the very apex of erosion. Herbicides added to this high point. All runs down hill wether in a contolled erosion or not.
Rotor Sweep Zone kills all in it's path. Weather radar cannot tell if what they see is a storm or turbines.
more to come....please join windtaskforce.com for a compilation of 3 years of digging into the background of Industrial Wind.
follow the money.
AND AND all this money goes to Boston based LLCs. except King Angus
and those not residents?
what about folks in Byron that see and hear them? nope, none for you.
Roxbury Lake property tax payers, how does it feel to have your federal and town taxes spent on King Angus?
4000 feet from occupied home
ah, the selectmen have already stated why they chose home and not property line for a set back.
all you 300+ property owners with-in 2 miles of the Colonel Holman pay attention to this ordinance.
King Angus will destroy Maine
King Angus thinks nothing of destroying the lives of people in the Byron/Roxbury area of MAINE.
King Angus sought and received subsidies and loan guarantees from your tAX DOLLARS.
He promised free electricity to poor folks in Roxbury. He did not tell them they would pay taxes on this gift and possibly lose other services because the income puts them over the limit.
WIND = 75% does not blow, 10-30% loss in transmission and sucks from the GRID 5%. WIND is a failure.
during tough economic times.
during tough economic times.
same sound bite your wife used on LURC friday.
Hinck
You are out to kill this state of Maine through Industrial Wind Projects.
Your wife is the biggest WIND lawyer.
honor
you honored the moose. thank you
stop WIND subsidies
put our taxes in our highways.
benefits
yet, Mars Hill needed a waiver to operate at 50 dBA nightime noise.
Vinal Haven is proven "out of compliance"
Spruce Mountain has Noise Reduction Operation.
Record Hill is getting complaints 2 miles away.
The developer will fix noise complaints by shutting the turbines down. When turbines are not working, they are not saving anybody anything. Projects such as Saddleback Ridge shows 34 "receptors" are going to hear 45 dBA. DEP marches right along in accepting this project knowing full well the machines will be shut down.
Developer walks away with the money and blames the citizen for complaining.
no benefits to saving the earth at all.
" from report "
"DEP operates without any specific "process guidance"....the process is at the discretion of the DEP commisiioner." Aho.
I attended a DEP public meeting 3/22 in Canton about Canton Mountain Wind Project.
The purpose of the meeting was to ask questions of the permit process. But, it seems there were no answers.
Questions on Bald Eagles were defferred to DIFW.
Questions on Noise Complaint Protocol could not be answered.
The crowd heard interpetation of Maine Laws by the lawyer representing Patriot Renewables, the developer.
Basically, the Wind Energy Statutes are loosely interpeted and many definitions need to evolve. Such as the adverse scenic impact to Mt. Blue State Park. This park welcomes over 70,000 visitors a year, yet Patriot Renewables' survey of 22 hikers is the only basis of determining "no adverse scenic impact".
It is hard to get answers.
" from report "
"is preceded by up to four years of data gathering in compliance with permitting requirements" by DEP and Developer.
And the real stake holders = "receptors" of noise and flicker and property owners with-in 2 miles of turbines.
Payne said opponents to wind projects who mount legal appeals were to blame for the slow progress toward Maine’s wind development goals.
"Generally developers prefer the non-hearing process to LURC's adjudicatory process."
The "receptors" had no choice but to pursue due process. DEP does not protect them.
DEP application
Approximately 60 percent of both night and day targets had mean heights within the RSZ and
approximately 80 percent of median target heights occurred within the RSZ heights during both nights
and days in the fall 2010 sampling period. page 24 7- avian studies CMWP dep
http://www.maine.gov/dep/ftp/WindPowerProjectFiles/CantonMountainWind/se...
One of the adults flew within RSZ elevations. bald eagle page 26
http://www.maine.gov/dep/ftp/WindPowerProjectFiles/CantonMountainWind/se...
What is the correct
What is the correct information?
An example of that is the
An example of that is the three-and-a-half-year process in which the wind industry collaborated with a broad group of stakeholders.
Yeah, and you left out the real stakeholder. The "receptors" on the sound modeling maps. The property owners with-in 2 miles of turbine centers. None of these people were involved in the process until they were told "It is a done deal" by their selectmen.
I thought Killing a Bald Eagle, or for that matter, possessing a Bald Eagle feather is against the Federal Law.
Canton Mountain Wind Project avian studies site bald eagles flying into the Rotor Sweep Zone along with another site of 80% of birds flying into RSZ. 50%, 60% fly into RSZ. Is IFW really going to accept this?
King Angus
http://www.crashbarry.com/
photo simulation
the photo simulation shown to these hikers is no way a reality shot. In fact, Mike, you make me think. Were the photo simulation of the smaller, orignal turbines? mmmmmm
about 30?
I turned in 11 signatures, Hart Daley turned in 85 signatures and freemont Tibbetts turned in 45 or so. I believe over 30 people signed the petition at the Movie "Windfall" alone.
ty
thank you for posting. readers need to know.....the other side.
rural = 20-25 dBA
rural back ground noise is 20-25 dBA
rural night sky is impressive
Now, here comes the Industrial Wind Facilities and all the noise, red, strobing lights and infrastructure.
I live off the GRID and as you can read, I am on the internet everyday.
With life flight et.al. it seems rural life is a choice safely made until IWFs.
We maintain our own road and no delivered services.
OMG
The state Department of Environmental Protection said the signs are not allowed in the shoreland zone and must come down.
Man O Man, the DEP is so aware of the environment. It will turn it's head and not watch ice-age eco systems be fragmented on mountain top ridges but it worrys about a sign.
u go Byron
Amxious to see how this goes. It makes sense but?
i heard
that King will issue his free 500kw electricity money to Roxbury residents in quarterly or yearly amounts.
The amount can not be accepted by any one receiving food stamps as the check will disqualify them.
Do you think King knew this?
I attended a DEP public
I attended a DEP public meeting 3/22 in Canton about Canton Mountain Wind Project.
The purpose of the meeting was to ask questions of the permit process. But, it seems there were no answers.
Questions on Bald Eagles were defferred to DIFW.
Questions on Noise Complaint Protocol could not be answered.
The crowd heard interpetation of Maine Laws by the lawyer representing Patriot Renewables, the developer.
Basically, the Wind Energy Statutes are loosely interpeted and many definitions need to evolve. Such as the adverse scenic impact to Mt. Blue State Park. This park welcomes over 70,000 visitors a year, yet Patriot Renewables' survey of 22 hikers is the only basis of determining "no adverse scenic impact".
It is hard to get answers.
what are you disagreeing to?
I gave you the site, look it up. Studies for Canton Mountain Wind.
I guess it is true if it is in the application.
RSZ
Rotor Sweep Zone. The circle the 185 foot blades make. 185 + 185 = 370 foot crcle of bird killing blades reaching 200 miles per hour at tip. Slicing and dicing.
ridge line
horizon line is an uninterupted line your eye travels along the ridges.
Western Maine's ridge lines are glaciated and very fragile. Ice age eco-systems exist because Skidders could not climb the ledges. Fresh water and vernal pools exist near the tops. While ski areas may destroy these, a ski area is an economic engine providing hundreds of jobs.
An Industrial Wind Facility provides 1 .
Rotor Sweep Zone
Blades moving 185 miles per hour in the RSZ.
Approximately 60% of both nights and days had mean target heights within the
RSZ heights,
and more than 80% of median target heights occurred within the
RSZ heights during the fall 2010 sampling period. (page 7-20 CMWP)
Of the five bald eagles observed, four (three adults, one
juvenile) flew through the Project Area. One of the adults flew within RSZ elevations. (page 7-22 CMWP)
http://www.maine.gov/dep/ftp/WindPowerProjectFiles/CantonMountainWind/se...
embrrassed?
http://www.windtaskforce.org/photo/the-subsidy-hunter?context=latest
http://www.windtaskforce.org/photo/my-way-or-the-cankerangus?context=latest
http://www.windtaskforce.org/photo/can-someone-please-get-him?context=la...
http://www.windtaskforce.org/photo/bk-spokesperson-role-bitterly?context...
http://www.windtaskforce.org/photo/thats-not-funny-homer?context=latest
bird kill
Approximately 60% of both nights and days had mean target heights within the
RSZ heights, and more than 80% of median target heights occurred within the
RSZ heights during the fall 2010 sampling period.
Canton mountain Wind study.
RSZ = Rotor Sweep Zone
embarassed?
http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-untold-story-of-record
http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/developing-u-s-senate-hopefu...
cohttp://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=3014904526409&set=o.198622340175841&type=1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=3014848565010&set=o.198622340175841&type=1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=3014842284853&set=o.198622340175841&type=1&theater
Is it true?
Is it true that in 2002 you promoted the Tumbledown Conservation effort while maine governor and at the ceremony you said, “ "Western Maine's panoramic vistas in the Mt. Blue and Tumbledown region will be protected for future generations and I'm grateful for the many players who made today's exciting announcement possible.”
7. Is it true that all of the 22 Record Hill turbines will now be highly visible feature on the landscape when viewed from the peak of Tumbledown Mt?
take the money and run
Is it true that you will receive a 30%, or approximately $40 million ARRA grant “rebate” from the federal government when your Record Hill project is completed instead of a 2.1 cents per kW production tax credit for 10 years?
Stantec
is usually hired by GRID scale WIND developers to study wildlife.
Stantec, Tetra-tech et.al. can convince any one of anything with their elaborate photos and graphs.
Canandian Geese are flying over right now. Where is their migratory path? Some sight them on Colonel Holman, some on Webb river. It seems the mountains of Canton, Colonel Holman and Saddleback Ridge are smack in the middle.
No geese in peru? No eagles?? We need to help these companies in their studies. Record wildlife as you know it before turbines.
question?
selectmen, when did you first talk to WIND LLC?
Stakeholders, when were you notified a GRID scale WIND project was being proposed?
I believe these WIND LLCs are talking to DEP years before an abutting land owner is notified. The LLC's are assured they can pass all statutes of the expedited WIND LAW.
Due process is being left out all the way. Make an ordinance committee now.
Sound modelings are not accurate.
In reality complaints are heard from people over 2 miles away.
ordinance
Sound modeling maps show 40 dba at one mile from turbine.
60 dba is 18 over the new Maine sound ruling recently passed in legislature. @ 42 dba
Sound modeling is not accurate in reality.
Complaints are made over 2 miles away.
property line
250 foot turbine 262 feet from property line. even the DEP requires 1 and half times height of tower. Please Farmington, in order to save Western Maine from thousands of turbines, as far as the eye can see, we need to ordinance them out.
placed a giant, impassable wall through the center of your home
“Imagine that someone built a power plant that set your heater to 97 degrees year-round, randomly cut off your water for hours or days on end and placed a giant, impassable wall through the center of your home ... “
imagine if someone blasted the fresh water pool on your ice age eco-system, draining the water for ever? Then dug a road cut that is impassible as a trail now. Then clearcut and herbicided my food. Then erected this huge air sucking machine that my feathered friends cannot fly by.
Over and over again, thousands of these , as far as the eye can see.
Or tap into Hydro?
noise
http://www.sunjournal.com/node/239650
http://m.sunjournal.com/news/river-valley/2012/01/13/clarification-turbi...
Noise predictions
From Vinal Haven to Mars Hill and now Spruce Mountain and Roxbury; GRID scale WIND farms are emitting noises louder than predicted by sound modeling.
Local Ordinances need to address NOISE, infra and audible.
Noise ruling passed in legislature yesterday calling for statewide noise acceptance at 42 dbc as opposed to 45 before.
Sound modeling maps of Saddleback Ridge Wind Project shows 24 "receptors" are going to hear 42 dbc. They are more than likely to hear louder as the sound modeling is faulty in the real world.
http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/908787
http://www.sunjournal.com/news/river-valley/2012/01/12/roxbury-residents...
http://www.sunjournal.com/users/question-everything
Woodstock and Mars Hill had to waiver to 50 dbc for GRID scale WIND farm to permit.
It is unfair to "receptors".
the original plan
the original plan focused on the road, and now the plan needs to expand to include the lakes, mountains "
Scenic Highway Route 17 from Mexico brings you along Swift River into Roxbury.
Just as you see the "SCENIC" highway sign you see HUGE, GRID scale WIND turbines on the ridge behind it.
You drive through Roxbury and into Byron the turbines get bigger.
Less than fifteen miles North you come to "The Heigth of the Land" in Oquossic. A breath taking scene of Western Maine.
Why was a GRID scale WIND farm allowed along this "SCENIC" stretch?
alot of funding
http://www.maine.gov/meopa/electric/efficiency_maine.shtml
With all the revenue sources Efficiancy maine gets, no wonder the Governor wants this budget process accountable.
a poor person can not use EM, while companies can afford their own improvements. Companies are the ones using EM. They are in business to make money. Companies have staff to write the grants.
as far as
the eye can. thousands of them. Wake up SJ. Look at Roxbury. Do you realy want to see thousands of them?
Thousands is the tip of iceberg.
Town Wilton appraiser
Land in the basin in South Carthage Maine now has what is called encumbered property.
A wilton town assessor said no one with an investment in mind will buy the property.
Other property with-out leases but abutt these encumbered properties is what he called burdened.
Watch the Movie WINDFALL and ask yourself the same question the property owners on Tug Hill asked the audience. "Would you spend your money on my home if you had the financing to buy elsewhere?"
A buyer of a Dixfield Common road property walked with just the hint a project may abutt them.
Have you seeen these things a mile away? Would you want one in your back yard?
asking for help
I personally am negatively affected by one of these projects since I am an abutter to one. My wife and I recently built our dream home only to find out thru the grapevine that a commercial wind project was going to be built nearly in our backyard. As the result of this project our new home, which we invested our retirement funds to build, has been devalued significantly due to the construction of this project. Problem is that we have no recourse due to Maine’s expedited permitting law. It’s almost like we don’t exist. Currently there are hundreds of Maine’s citizens in the same situation with thousands more to come as the target number of 4000 turbines progresses. Indeed, A wind turbine is coming to a mountain top near you soon.. I will be challenging the constitutionality of this statute in the court’s for it’s total failure of Due Process for negatively affected citizens. Hopefully, this action will end up in the Federal court’s where we can have some assurance of fairness. There was no notification nor public hearing permitted for those like my wife and I due to the expedited permitting law. The project owners and Maine DEP have engaged in ex parte communications since well before knowledge of the project was made public. Only in Maine can a Governor (Angus King) use one’s office to enrich one self and it be considered lawful. Unbelievable!!!!!!!
Due to my knowledge of your sense of fairness and right, I urge you to submit a bill in the Legislature that would require owners of commercial wind projects to have to compensate owners of properties that realize a devaluation of their homes as a direct result of such projects. I feel as if I have had my pocket picked, not twice but three times by these projects owners. First by public funding, secondly by greatly increased energy rates and lastly by robbing the equity of our homes by devaluation due to their projects. My God, Is This Really America Any More. Tell me again what it was that we were told why the old Soviet Union was so bad to it’s citizens.......................................
one person's view
you are one of the very few in Augusta that can and would help a growing number of Maine’s citizens that are getting destroyed financially by Maine’s expedited Wind Power Permitting Statute. As you must know the target for development of 4000 industrial wind turbines on Maine’s mountain tops is current policy of the State of Maine. If one takes a look at a topographical map of our state it is painfully apparent that this policy will result in the permanent destruction of nearly every mountain top in our state. I find this totally unacceptable due to the irreversible changes that will be made to the basic character of the entire state which will have profound negative effects for generations of Maine’s citizens. National studies have found that energy produced by commercial wind projects is the single most costly form of energy production. Indeed, energy produced by commercial wind turbines averages at nearly $4.00 per kilowatt vs. current costs by other green generating methods which produce energy and traditional methods which are about $0.15 per kilowatt. These projects could not exist without massive amounts of public funds. Citizen electrical rates will have to sky-rocket to unimaginable levels to sustain production by commercial wind energy. The citizens have their pockets picked twice for this insanity. First to fund these projects then to pay for the energy produced at excessively high rates.
gagged
but Jason, the people suffering have signed gag orders, they cannot speak against WIND. Watch the movie.
because
they never lived under them and then gagged.
peru selectmen care
Peru has an ordinance committee that cares. They are doing their homework and as the movie showed, they are learning things the WIND industry will not tell them.
Dixfield has citizens that care.
Over 30 ordinances in Maine . Come on politicians, get the drift.
Us 5,6,7,8,9,10 th generation Mainers have struggled for generations.
GRID scale WIND is a scam. We hold onto our acreage because of it's beauty, not, because it makes us money.
after assess
When did you start collecting taxes on this project?
Most property owners would pay on any improvements that year?
Did Angus King pay for the improved roads for 2 years?
I also hear that the electrical 500 kwh payments will be quarterly and some fixed income people will not be able to accept Angus's gift.
Why? It will dis qualify them from other services. If this is true , Angus knew it.
due process
There was no notification nor public hearing permitted for those like my wife and I due to the expedited permitting law. The project owners and Maine DEP have engaged in ex parte communications since well before knowledge of the project was made public. Only in Maine can a Governor (Angus King) use one’s office to enrich one self and it be considered lawful. Unbelievable!!!!!!!
ok
Trojan batteries are still storing power 50 years later.
I have lived off the GRID 12 years and counting. I do not use my generator any more.
You want Government take care of you. Good Luck Jason.
This has been great for jobs, laugh out loud,,, in Sheffield, from a 60 million dollar project, we got 3 part time jobs... and we lost 60 when a private school closed next to the wind project because of the noise.., what a waste of taxpayers money.
School is less than a mile from turbines,,, The school paid a million dollars a year in salaries and another million
in goods and services to the community,,, oh, and 50,000 a year in taxes. They were part of the fight against the towers and paid legal fees to oppose before the PSB... this is just one business...
you live in Auburn
ah Auburn is flat and has no NIMBY problems. If the southern half of Maine took some real hikes and looked around they would change their minds about WIND.
If every resident in Maine hooked up with an on-site solar system then real GREEN is happening.
On site systems would save you money and the earth.
I read solar flares are going to mess with the GRID. Good luck Jason.
And Angus King does not care about you.
disagrees
tell me. If you mandate 2700 MW of WIND power; how many turbines will it take?
Are we talking "nameplate" or actual production?
WIND is a SCAM!!!!!!
Is Angus blind??????
Are u blind?
King will not protect Maine
Angus King thinks that GRID scale Industrial WIND is good for Maine's ice age eco-systems on our mountain tops.
Angus King set himself up in the name of "GREEN" He should recuse himself from all public office.
Mainers, do you really want to see thousands and thousands of Turbines?
As far as the eye can see?
thank you
Dixfield has not voted on a WIND ordinance to date. A petition will be forth coming. Watch WINDFALL movie Sunday at Dixfield High School at 2 pm.
Dixfield needs a WIND ordinance.
.• On a motion from Mrs. Harvey and a second from Mr. Gill, the Board voted unanimously to remove the ballot question from the Special Town
Meeting ballot warrant. The ballot removed stated: “Shall an ordinance
entitled WIND ENERGY FACILITY ORDINANCE FOR THE TOWN
OF DIXFIELD as proposed by the Dixfield Wind Ordinance Committee,
be enacted?”
Wind vs. Citizen
c. Wind Ordinance – Patriot Renewables: Tom Carroll, Project Coordinator
for Patriot Renewables, LLC, brought to the Board several concerns that were
found by his lawyers regarding the proposed Wind Energy Facility Ordinance for
the Town of Dixfield. The ordinance was supposed to be neutral to development,
but it will become impossible for any wind project to take place due to the
following:
• In the definition for a WEFU (Wind Energy Facility Unit), the committee
included roads and power lines in the definition and required a four
thousand (4,000’) foot set-back from any home which makes it physically
impossible to do any project.
• The committee used a four thousand (4,000’) foot set-back to include a
survey of wetlands. The State of Maine standard is a one hundred twentyfive (125’) foot set-back, and Patriot Renewables does not own property
four thousand (4,000’) feet from every turbine. The company cannot be
responsible for surveying property they do not own.
• The C-Weighted Standard for noise is written with 45-55 DBA (Decipal
A-Weighted Scale) and is different than the C-Weighted Scale; the CWeighted Scale has no standard.
depict the wishes
Selectman Donahue stated that the town
could not gear the project to just five (5)
landowners and “torpedo” the whole project. Five people could not govern the
entire
town.
. Selectman Donahue agreed with
Selectman Clarke that four people was not a fair depiction of the town’s
wishes in
dictating if the project would go forward or not.
They did their homework. Their ordinance would exclude any landowners 4000 feet away.
In other words, the 300+ property owners with-in 2 miles from this project do not count.
can LSJ publish the survey results again?
Jason, show the link to original survey.
First Wind paid for the Wind question. but the other results show 55% of survey takers do not really know and want more education.
Windfall Movie a documentary of turbines in a small town. Dixfield, this Sunday at 2 pm.
can LSJ publish the survey results again?
Jason, show the link to original survey.
First Wind paid for the Wind question. but the other results show 55% of survey takers do not really know and want more education.
Windfall Movie a documentary of turbines in a small town. Dixfield, this Sunday at 2 pm.
why Peru adopts Rumford Ordinance
Rumford is a leader and after 3 votes, you know legal has looked at it.
What did Patriot Renewables say was wrong with Clarke and
Donahue's ordinance?
http://www.sunjournal.com/news/river-valley/2012/02/29/dixfield-
Also during the meeting, Dan McKay of Dixfield asked if the board had intentions of moving forward with a wind ordinance he presented last month.
McKay said if the board wasn't going to take action, he would start a petition to have the ordinance placed on the ballot in June.
"I would rather have it go to the people, to petition it and have it vote on," he said.
Town Manager Eugene Skibitsky advised the board and McKay that he believed because the town had already voted on the issue of drafting a wind ordinance, selectman may not have to honor a petition on the matter.
McKay said he believes it is still an important issue and since the previous town vote many citizens have educated themselves about wind projects.
McKay said he hopes to hold multiple informational meetings about the ordinance during the petition process so others can educate themselves about wind power.
Selectmen Norine Clarke and Steve Donahue questioned if McKay had received legal help when writing the ordinance. McKay said he had not but would, if needed.
Clarke and Donahue had previously drafted an ordinance and said the time and funding for the project was high due to a need for legal advice.
Selectman Malcolm Gill said if he was to support any wind ordinance, it would be the one Clarke and Donahue had drafted.
McKay was also asked if there was a committee that helped to create the ordinance. He said he was the sole author but he had received help from various persons and had conducted a large amount of research on the topic.
The board decided to take no action and to allow McKay to start a petition.
Windfall Movie
Sunday March 4, 2012 Dixfield High School at 2 pm. A documentary of turbines in a small town. Come see how this small town handled it.
7.44 cents kwh
http://www.electricityme.com/our_rates/default.aspx
7.44 x 500 kwh = $37.20 a household.
What do you have to fear about account information given to First Wind?
Any but Hinck
Jon Hinck is married to Juliet Brown who is the lawyer for GRID scale WIND. GRID scale WIND will ruin Maine. Thousands and thousands of them as far as the eye can see.
Kill the mandates for WIND and start saving.
wind ordinance
Windfall Movie, a documentary of WIND turbines in a small town.
Dixfield High School, Sunday March 4, 2012 at 2 pm. FREE admission.
An education of GRID scale Wind turbines, please join us.
tax rate
this year your mil rate drops....what of when the value of turbines is dropped yearly?
When school wants a piece in 2 years? oh my...
State Government
It seems that state government wants development and GRID scale WIND turbines. Governor is finding ways to allow developement in Unorganized Territories as well as giving GRID scale WIND permitting to DEP, through out the UT.
DEP has not denied a permit yet in this state.
Peru needs to protect what they have. If Peru ordinances out GRID scale WIND turbines then their property becomes prime real estate. The rest of the towns will devalue over the next five years.
So sorry we are all in this mess. Seems worrying about snow plowing budget was alot easier.
Wind turbines
next you paint.
Windfall movie Dixfield, Me High School 2 pm Sunday March 4, 2012
say again
Much-vaunted wind power arouses sharp debate and imposes high costs for equipment and transmission lines.
Because of their locations, these resources are more expensive than might be expected, because they often require costly new transmission lines.
Yet wind power runs into serious problems when its installations create unwanted noise or destroy scenic vistas.
GRID scale WIND
is coming and the selectmen know some stake holders will be upset.
Be courteous but submit the form. How many in Canton are concerned?
Thursday March 1, 2012 at Community Building DEP holds public meeting about CANTON wind Project.
Sunday, march 4, 2012 WINDFALL movie plays at Dirigo High School 2 pm.
An 83 minute documentary about WIND turbines in a small town. Very educational.
have you seen the film?
I have heard them in several different locations. One of them being on Route 6 in Lincoln Maine. I heard the thumming and thumping and saw the red flashing lights.
I heard them in Roxbury at the town office. I heard them on Art Lingren's tape that the DEP does not accept as data. I hear people describe the noise at Concord Pond and how the noise is reverberated in their radio and tvs.
Most of the noise you cannot hear, you feel.
WINDFALL movie sunday March 4, 2012 2 pm Dixfield High School.
Saddleback Ridge Carthage
My land is 2000 feet from a proposed turbine. Yes I will hear them. I do believe there is no way I can complain about noise.
no you don't
ok I live one mile from Route 2. Most days I hear traffic, here and there. Along comes that foggy day and the semi sounds like it is going to land on my porch. In the summer Harley's come and go.
But, this fog lasts for days and I hear the thumming of turbines behind me. On and on intermally.
Oh that is right... I can call the WIND company and they will turn the turbine off, for me.
nimby
scam
Sunday March 4, 2012 1-5 pm Movie WINDFALL Dixfield High School
photos
wish we could input photos?
wind sprawl
http://windfarmrealities.org/?p=1399
get well
god speed
thousands
1000 mega watt dense energy = 4000 mega watt WIND energy.
thousands of them.
Watch WINDFALL movie. Look at Tug Hill. That is only 200+ of them.
Thousands of them. Not 25-35. Thousands of them. As far as the eye can see.
How many do you look at?
Sunday, March 4, 2012 1-5 pm Dixfield High School Windfall Movie
Maine Yankee et. al.
Jason, Maine Yankee, bio mass, all these experiments add to your electric bill.
Stop experimenting on a mass scale. Go try the tidal machines. If they don't work take them out.
Thousands and thousands of 500 + foot WIND machines. Will ruin the Real Estate Market in Maine.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household.
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-cjing'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
real estate
Real Estate in Maine goes up in value every year.
The town of Carthage alone doubled in value in ten years.
I live on a dirt road (un maintained) and have seen 11 new cabins built in ten years.
Real Estate needs management as well as tourism. Jobs in management.
So few jobs in GRID scale WIND turbines...Yet the amount needed will devalue all property with-in sight.
GRID scale WIND causes temporary jobs,,,,
real estate at stake here.
thank you
the snow mobile club is heart felt thanked from the common road and basin area of Dixfield. We all will do the same for a lost rider.
nimby
Not In Maine's Back Yard. Thousands of them Jason, thousands...too much ....Maine will be ruined for tourism. I hear complaints from Sunday River skiers all ready.
Why do you want to kill Maine?
thank you
for the tribute. Joey was always nice and loved to laugh and ride.
he is missed
joey was always nice and loved to laugh.
He did love to ride.
zero impact on climate change
I am not a scientist but death to birds alone causes some kind of change. Imagine the dead air after the turbine blades swhoosh it up.
thousands of dead air spaces on our ridges. Yeck.
bravo
Thousands and thousands of GRID scale WIND turbines are needed to replace that one Gas plant in Rumford. Oh, that's right; gas plants are needed for rampong up and down to allow WIND onto the GRID.
Mainers, 1000MW = 4000 MW nameplate capacity from WIND turbines.
Everywhere we look we will see the likes of Record Hill and larger and noisier.
Companies tell us thay cannot find parcels of land without a resident affected with=in 4000 feet from their projects.
Sound modeling maps will show you 35-45 dBa at one mile limit.
Make your ordinance strong; protect your people and this great state.
DEP Wind applicants sound modeling maps
Jeremy Payne, When I stood before the Environment and Natural Resources committee with 3 sound modeling maps and stated that 34 "receptors" in Saddleback Wind Project were going to hear 40-45 decibels ; I was not lying.
The sound modeling maps have a trend of 35-45 dBa at one mile limit from turbine centers.
I have seen maps from LURC applicants but I cannot copy and paste.
I look in the DEP website for maps and applications and cannot find them.
What are you trying to hide?
deference to agency
I watched a BEP noise ruling and heard hours and hours of statements from DEP and a non INCE sound man.
Record Hill Wind is causing noise damage to people in that area.
I know because I am local and people talk , to their dentist , to a blog, on facebook.
Problem is DEP has no noise complaint protocol.
A judge has nothing to go on except what DEP says.
Yes GRID scale WIND opponents will go to court because the people too close to these turbines have rights too.
red lights
thousands and thousands of them,
Watch the movie Windfall and see why the lack of information is what scares us.
listen to thousands of them
Windfall, the movie, plays in Dixfield Sunday March 4, 2012 1-5 pm. good food too
sound bites
from Wind shills
students
Maine's mountains are her football field, and the $10 billion per year tourism industry is her Super Bowl.
The year-round and seasonal residents who live on and around that field are her sponsors, her chief players and her economic engine.
Please keep those 400-foot-tall desks off our field.
The company was granted a permit in October 2011 to place a mete
The company was granted a permit in October 2011 to place a meteorological test tower
by whom? whose names?
that is a wetland
eye can see green in the spring...do you hate amphibians?
sound
The solutions are expensive to polluters.
1) Require fair market price buy-outs or property value guarantees for property owners within two and a half miles of turbines,
2) apply Rural (20-25) dbA limits to nighttime operations immediately,
3) require the wind turbine industry to pay for the costs of noise monitoring and make all data available through web sites in real time, and
4) develop metrics that capture and regulations that protect against low frequency noise.
the fact that people, property values, and natural quiet are collateral damage
sound
I noticed on 3 sound modeling maps provided to the DEP and LURC from the developer a trend.
The trend is a range of 35-45 dBa with-in a mile from turbine centers.
If we rural people are used to 20 dBa what will 42 dBa sound like?
On the decibel scale, doubling the intensity corresponds to an increase of 3 dB.
This does not correspond to a perceived doubling of loudness, however. We perceive loudness to be doubled when the intensity increases by a factor of 10! This corresponds to a 10 dB increase.
A change by 1 dB is about the smallest change a human being can detect.
sound
as far as the eye can see is the visual impact of thousands of GRID scale WIND turbines.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Try to find sound modeling maps on the DEP web site.
I have seen 4 sound modeling maps and they all have a trend to show 35-45 dBa almost a mile away from turbine center.
One map showed 34 "receptors" within this zone; another map showed 19 "receptors".
I am not sure of logarithmic logistics but hearing 20 dBa in a rural setting is what we are used to. A jump to 42 dBa means we will hear four times as much.
energy that works
wood energy
on-site solar
hydro
using less
tell us of the thorium reactor.
Thank You givers but..
Efficiency Maine is for rich people who can afford their services in order to qualify for grants to retrofit.
We really do not need infared to tell us heat is rising through that gaping hole in the ceiling.
Communtiy Concepts have had programs in place for years to help people insulate. They provide window kits, storm doors etc. The catch? You need to be really poor. But..Community Concepts hooks you up with repairs.
save save save use less
Do you know how they anchor
Do you know how they anchor off shore wind turbines?
Do you know how they anchor the transmission line to shore?
Do you know how much damage GRID scale WIND turbines do to wildlife?
windfall movie
Thanks for link to future tv. Now, Windfall Movie is playing across Maine this month.
Sunday March 4, 2012 1-5pm Dixfield High School free and good food too.
a bit off
towers get bigger and louder and yet the DEP does not change their codes ....
so we look at 2000 bigger turbines. If you climb tumbledown you see red flashing lights.
If you look around and imagine turbines every where you look.
GRID scale WIND costs my children's tax dollar. WIND is not investing in Maine.
1000 mw hydro
1000 mw hydro = 4000 450' towers as fars the eye can see.........noooooo
jobs
why?
no capacity
i came here 20 years ago
1000 MW
1 1000 MW hydro replaces 4000 450' GRIS scale WIND turbines across Maine's ridges.
four thousand, four thousand, four thousand, as fa as the eye can see.
beautiful
thank you.
windfall movie
you tube
google: windfall trailer
one 1000 mw hydro or 4000 GRID scale WIND turbines?
time
Now Governor and anti-WIND activists can use our energies educating the people of Maine. The truth will be revealed.
WINDFALL the movie will be played Sunday, March 4 , 2012 at Dixfield High School 1 pm- 5 pm good food too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87TGW9eLAtU
WINDFALL - theatrical trailer
www.youtube.com
8 ways to rate hike
a list of sur charges GRID users pay as a result of mandates and experimental plans.
Estimates of 40 - 80 million dollar increase in rates because of NCRM and Efficiency Maine and CLF ballot initiative.=$60,000,000 / 560,000 ratepayers = $107.42 a year......okay..that hurts
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household.
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-cjing'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
Thank You Dr. Eastler
Sound modeling maps from other GRID scale WIND turbines show 35 decibels at 2 miles from turbine.
The 2 sites that might fit commercial GRID scale WIND are probably more valyable as saleable Maine .
sound
In the case of commercial systems, visual appearance, lighting, signage, shadow flicker and other items are also considered.
sound modeling maps, Saddleback Ridge and Canton Mountain, show 35 decibals at 2 miles from turbine center...
Watch the movie WINDFALL , it shows real life story of the problems with GRID scale WInd.
showing in Dixfield High school Sunday March 4 1pm - 5pm good food.
Watch for show in Farmington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBYjZG8O6qE
a sound modeling map......35
a sound modeling map......35 dbc at 2 mile.....34 receptors on this map...no one told them.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1076453401&ref=tn_tnmn#!/photo.php?fbid=2745055700357&set=a.1101604455103.2017582.1076453401&type=1&theater
Tom Remmington has opinions shared on his .com and his blog.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1076453401&ref=tn_tnmn#!/photo.php?fbid=2745055700357&set=a.1101604455103.2017582.1076453401&type=1&theater
Windfall, a 83 minute documentary, comes to Maine soon.
Dixfield High Schools' Community Room will host the movie Sunday March 4. 2012 from 1 pm to 5 pm...show around 2 pm....food too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87TGW9eLAtU
Kudos PUC
hope jan 30 vote remains the same.
save the rate payer. No more SCAMS..
rate hikes
Leave GRID scale WIND out of alternative energy. GRID scale WIND does not work...now show me your plan NRCM.
Estimates of 40 - 80 million dollar increase in rates because of NCRM and Efficiency Maine and CLF ballot initiative.=$60,000,000 / 560,000 ratepayers = $107.42 a year......okay..that hurts
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household.
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-cjing'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
sound detection device
Record Hill Wind Is setting up some sort of sound detection devices In Roxbury. One will be in Thomas's field just outside Roxbury vilage on Rt 17. Thomas' house is around 1.4 miles from the towers.
Yesterday in his yard you could here them quite well. Yet i'm betting the noise will be within any damage limits as to goverment standards and what not. And i'm sure the noise Isn't harmfull at that distance,
Still who wants to have to listen to it all night during the summer when the windows are open, or your outside enjoying a quiet moment. Or outside working, Just as annoying as a barking dog.
Yes the people with all the sight and sound impact from these towers, the campers at Roxbury Pond ( Big Ellis)had no say in the matter unless they were a resident of the town, Same way with the campers on Garland (Little Ellis) pond
no complaint process
do you think the WIND industry knew this??
DEP ochestrated a BEP noise ruling to be brought to legislatures.
I hope every representative of every town in Maine will protect their towns and demand a complaint protocol from noise makers.
Complaint protocol needs to address every receptor of these sounds.
Receptors need a local complaint center.
LOcal. local, local.
If you send complaint to DEP, please make a hard copy for yourself.
better yet send a hard copy to your legislatibe representatives.
smaller is good
1,200 housing units!!!
no wonder the locals were upset.
Why didn't Plum Creek start small?
someone cares
Tom Remington listens to complaints about Record Hill Wind.
http://tomremington.com/2012/01/09/6557/
Carthage lawyer calls it redundant
I too thought a citizen could petition over and over....but I guess only the gays can.
Carthage voters voted in an illegal vote for a moratorium at 42 - 48 .
I asked James Cassida of DEP how to stop the permit process. He said "any town , at any time can put a moratorium in place."
Not Carthage, the lawyer called it "redundant". I guess Maine municipal Association agrees.
So no re-vote for Carthage.
Dixfield , on the other hand, never voted on a WIND ordinance.
They voted on zoning.
already voted?
voted on the issue???
http://www.sunjournal.com/river-valley/story/936589
The citizen petition called for banning any development above the elevation of 1,000 feet on Colonel Holman and Sugarloaf mountains except for logging and communication towers.
narrowly defeated by a vote of 487-543.
LURC
Elizabeth Swain says LURC has a statuatory mandate - to protect wilderness attributes.
Consider workshop format so early concepts can be discussed.
Transfer Industrial projects to DEP.
"Applicants should not be able to just pay the fine in non compliance."
Jenn Gray says. "Increase local input" "assist and educate towns and plantations now under LURC to assume local control by withdrawing from LURC jurisdiction."
Don White.."LURC's mission does not speak to economic development or growth."
Tom Rumpf.."need for local input"
Chris Gardiner.."issues is local input"
Rod Falla..."maybe a local appeals board would be a feasible idea"
Hank McPherson.."risk assessment??"
Samantha Horn-Olsen..."LURC does not have staff trained in economic development"
turn off
turn off that idling gas plant as it waits for fickle dickle WIND to do it's job. NOT
thank you for made in Maine
Defying a trend toward offshore production, the outdoors retailer is adding 125 full-time employees to its Maine-based manufacturing operation to keep pace with orders.
thank you
delight of many
The Land Use Regulation Commission, LURC, to the delight of many Downeast outdoor folks, gave a thumbs down to the Bowers Mountain wind turbine project."
don't we wish.....over 300 downeasterners drove to Lincoln to voice disapproval of Bowers Mtn GRID scale WIND.....now it looks like First WIND may win with manipulation. something is wrong ....
extra rate costs
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household.
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-cjing'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
conservation scares me
Open Space would make the parcel eligible for a 20% reduction in the assessment. If the owner wishes to allow public access to the property then he would be eligible for an additional 25% reduction making it a 45% reduction in total. There are further levels of Open Space that may allow up to a 95% reduction
Unfortunately, tax losses from the Farmland and Open Space Programs are not reimbursed to the Town.
Thank You Sally
and monique, karen and dan.
Conservation is starting to bother me.
below is a quote from a town appraiser.
Open Space would make the parcel eligible for a 20% reduction in the assessment. If the owner wishes to allow public access to the property then he would be eligible for an additional 25% reduction making it a 45% reduction in total. There are further levels of Open Space that may allow up to a 95% reduction
Unfortunately, tax losses from the Farmland and Open Space Programs are not reimbursed to the Town.
Stay away from conservation
"Open Space" the applicant wishes to engage.
For instance, using the Alternative Method, ordinary Open Space would make the parcel eligible for a 20% reduction in the assessment.
If the owner wishes to allow public access(snow machining) to the property then he would be eligible for an additional 25% reduction making it a 45% reduction in total.
There are further levels of Open Space that may allow up to a 95% reduction in the assessment if approved.
Unfortunately, tax losses from the Farmland and Open Space Programs are not reimbursed to the Town.
money out of pockets
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill.
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike =
2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = $4,2857 per household
2. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
3.Add a cent of stranded cost(biomass 1980's) to your per kilowatt hour charges—‘cha-ching’.
4. Shutting Maine Yankee before its expected lifetime added one cent to two cents to your bill--"cha-ching'
5. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) pushed by the NRCM——add another cent.--‘cha-ching’
6. Capacity payments, the payments made to standby-on-demand industrial and commercial electricity producers, yep, pushed by these environmentalists. One cent more—‘cha-ching’.
7. Long-term contracts to the wind industry and conservation charges lobbied for by NRCM employees—another cent, ‘cha-ching’.
on second viewing
I disticntly hear a squealing in one of these shots of the turbines. oh oh .....bearings????
Then reporter shoots a shot of road signs in Roxbury. Not a single shot of the SCENIC HIGHWAY sign as you drive up route 17 into the turbine area, on your way to the revered "Height of the Land" just before you get to Rangeley.
Nice shot of Roxbury Lake and what camp owners now see. I wish the resolution was better in the camera so we could really see what these property owners hear and see now, with not a thing they could do about it....as they have no vote.
24 people have no recourse
yep, talking about Saddleback Ridge , Carthage, Maine.
Receptors will hear and see these GRID scale WIND machines quite plainly.
Carthage moratorium vote was 42 /48, a 6 person difference.
The town meet was moderated by a long time Carthonian, Hershal Noyes, he repeatedly injected his own opinions over and over, the First selectman withheld information until the vote was taken to tell the town's people they did not own the land where Patriot renewables wanted 6 more turbines.
The meet is on tape and should be classified as a comedy.
But this is not funny.
Town of Carthage lawyer has deemed a new petition for another moratorium vote is "redundant".
Huh? people cannot petition again? Everything is so lined up for WIND; lawyers, money and paid testimonies at hearings.
Repeat; 24 property owners have no recourse. We will watch our homes become valueless.
WIND has a strong force on their side. GREED GREED
disagree
how can you disagree to the truth..? DEP, Mark Margerum, received written statements from 24 "receptors" stating they were not informed of the GRID scale WIND project and it's impacts.
Selectmen make deals and then still not tell the landowners with-in 2 miles of these projects what is happening.
Media is one sided....they believe these lies.
HOW DO YOU KNOW?
Dixfield project has over 300 property owners with-in 2 miles of the turbine area.
How many are concerned about their back yard?
Dixfield is a case such as Carthage where the people living with-in sight of these turbines are far out numbered by the villagers.
Only a town vote can make a difference. Voters voting on things they are ill informed about. Such as TIFs, such as accelerated depreciation.
Such as conservation.
It makes no sense to destroy our mountains for Boston people to make money.
Please Mainers, read between the lines of the media.
shove it down our throats
DEP has 2000 feet as the contact line of abutting properties. In reality, sound modeling has 35 dbc at 2 mile range.
Receptors are located in Flicker and Sound modeling maps. Yet not a one was notified of their property being on a "Receptor" list.
The above Map has 34 "receptor" structures. 24 of the 34 "receptors" are very much against this project.
These 24 + people have no recourse
how much power bill?
agreed i will buy 6 # 200 watt panels hoping for a kilowatt at high noon.
Having lived off the GRID for 12 years, I have learned to shut down. But I open windows, look at the mountain tops. I quilt my windows at high noon and re-charge.
Yes, I stay home and tend wood fires.
My husband and daughter watch tv 4-6 hours a day. I ,as you can tell, indulge in internet once a day.
I am taking a class on photovoltaics because I live it. I know GRID folks will feel better knowing half their foot print is quiet...for 20-40 and counting years.
And the independance is awesome....
I do have a whisper, 600 watts, sometimes...it is noisy.
local level
involvement in local level is important and towns across Maine are challenging their own selectmen, Peru, Rumford, ah not Carthage.
Carthage chose to let the lawyers fight it out while the DEP and the GRID scale WIND applicants went along a pre-determined time line.
Carthage citizens cannot petition more than once. Even though citizen's have learned of facts and want to re-vote. Oh well...
Woodstock citizen's were blindsided when their selectmen opted to vote a 5 decibal increase in an al ready flawed noise law. Maine's noise law is very old and is set at 45 decibals at night. Rural Maine is used to 20 decibals and long nights of quiet.Woodstock's owners of camps around the project were not aware of GRID WIND coming in. Blindsided.
Oh well...the WIND industry planned on Mainers being asleep. They tell no one that they are on a "Receptor" study.
Instead GRID WIND gives money to snowmobile clubs. The clubs are somewhat happy but....no one tells them all the ridges will be closed due to insurance factors..oops.
If LURC is controlled by DEP GRID WIND standards then, 2/3 of Maine will be permitted. This not funny...
How can ? generation Mainers, who chose to live in wilderness get their rights back?
i guess
solar panels are 50 cents a watt right now.
1000 watts = 1 kw
=$500
batteries = $500
Contoller and inverter = $1000
add another $1000 for kit prepare...voila!! you are now saving half your GRID bill on most days.
Ah,,the city dweller lives inside....electricity on at all times.
WIND is very expensive...go with the pipeline right down through Maine to Massachusetts.
Do not WIND sprawl to remote Maine. Cost too much.
Governor says
"The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill."
I say, Let Maine go back to independance for residential use. Burn wood, not pellets, on site solar can cut your GRID bill in half. Air conditioning????
Private money will buy 1000 watt, GRID ready, on site solar photovoltaic systems. Check out Connecticutt and other states.
You got me on the 5%. In the beginning they ran generators to keep each tower GRID ready. There is a whole list of neccessary machinary to keep warm and running. Computers, hydraulics, brakes, etc. Now I read where elevators are being used because the WIND employees could not hack the stair climbing, once or twice a day.
Figure it out guy, when they pre-test them for months, where do you think the power comes from?
NESCOE Request For Information – Transmission Project
Western Maine Transmission Constraint Relief
Central Maine Power Company
February 25, 2011
Background
Central Maine Power Company (CMP) has identified transmission constraints in western Maine that will severely limit, unless additional transmission facilities are added, the addition of renewable generation already in the ISO-NE Queue or under consideration by developers. Maine, like the other New England states, strongly encourages additional renewable, non-carbon emitting generation in the region. The existing generation within the constrained areas of western Maine (362 MW) is all renewable. All of the 743 MW of proposed additional generation likely to be affected by transmission constraints in the area is wind.
risk
How much risk?
WIND = 75% does NOT blow.
10-30% loss in transmission.
5% sucks from GRID. 24/7
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike = 2.400,000,000 / 560,000 = 4.2857
2.The Renewable Portfolio Standard : Wind Power Marketer's dream. Charging $85 to $100 per megawatt into a grid where commonly the price is $55 per megawatt. Higher prices.
= rate hike
3. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative penalizes conventional electric generators . That's an increase in costs = rate hike.
4. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
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No Jason. It is too costly of a risk. economically and ecologically
anyone who communes with nature knows WIND is killing ice-age old ecosystems.
just the facts
It is taking so long to uncover "just the facts"
I hope the Governor ferrets out the answers.
I hope this years discussion at the legislative level is based on facts.
But, with paid signature collectors for a bill that insists renewables are the answer, I believe the truth seekers will have a hard time showing the unsuspicious public what is fact.
Please, EUT committee, let us have an adult discussion this year and lay the facts on the table, for the public to see.
visual impact
oh boy....people in Jay and Wilton are really going to love those 460 foot windmills on Saddleback Ridge in Carthage...Take a ride Route 133 and look at that view. I am sorry that DEP feels that a town in Massachusetts paying for very litle energy from Maine meets their Renewable Portfolio standard.
Move out of the way 8th generation Mainers. Massachusetts has arrived.
Sorry about your "Quality of Place".
disagrees
can you please state why you disagree with the above true statement?
EUT committee
If nothing else let us ask EUT committee to look at the facts.
The Governor is right in trying to uproot this committee.
Senator Michael D. Thibodeau (R-Waldo), Chair
Senator Christopher W. Rector (R-Knox)
Senator Philip L. Bartlett II (D-Cumberland)
Representative Stacey Allen Fitts (R-Pittsfield), Chair
Representative James M. Hamper (R-Oxford)
Representative Dean A. Cray (R-Palmyra)
Representative Larry C. Dunphy (R-Embden)
Representative Aaron F. Libby (R-Waterboro)
Representative Jon Hinck (D-Portland)*
Representative Alexander Cornell du Houx (D-Brunswick)
Representative Roberta B. Beavers (D-South Berwick)
Representative Mark N. Dion (D-Portland)
Representative Louis J. Luchini (D-Ellsworth)
Local ordinances over ride state government
More and more towns protecting themselves...some how Unorganized Townships need a home rules protection.
Buckfield, Wilton, Rumford, Byron, Phillips, New Vineyard, Newry have ordinances
Peru, Dixfield, Paris, Sumner, Woodstock, Weld, Bethel are in process of writing one.
Peaks Island, Frankfurt, Carrantuck voted for protection.
Avon
http://www.dailybulldog.com/db/features/avon-approves-wind-power-or...
Blue Hill
http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/09/news/hancock-county-towns...
Brooklin
http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/09/news/hancock-county-towns...
Brooksville
http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/09/news/hancock-county-towns...
Burnham
http://waldo.villagesoup.com/news/story/whose-road-mystery-remains-...
Castine
http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/09/news/hancock-county-towns...
Deer Isle
http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/09/news/hancock-county-towns...
Eddington
http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/16/news/eddington-residents-...
Moscow
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/3-vying-for-open-selectmen-seat_...
New Vineyard
http://www.dailybulldog.com/db/features/new-vineyard-unanimously-pa...
Newry
http://www.bethelcitizen.com/node/7373/
Penobscot
http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/09/news/hancock-county-towns...
Peru
http://www.sunjournal.com/river-valley/story/990475
Rumford
http://www.sunjournal.com/river-valley/story/991684
Sedgwick
http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/09/news/hancock-county-towns...
Temple
http://www.sunjournal.com/franklin/story/1000196
rate hikes
Governor said,"
The government has been subsidizing renewable energy development at the cost of Maine ratepayers. As a result, energy prices have skyrocketed over the past decade and we can no longer expect Maine people to foot the rising bill."
1. Reliability Maine; 8% of $30 billion for Maine would be $2.4 billion in expense for Maine ratepayers. = rate hike
2.The Renewable Portfolio Standard : Wind Power Marketer's dream. Charging $85 to $100 per megawatt into a grid where commonly the price is $55 per megawatt. Higher prices.
= rate hike
3. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative penalizes conventional electric generators . That's an increase in costs = rate hike.
4. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
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8 for 8
Eight towns brought WIND ordinances before their towns since November 2011.
Eight towns voted to accept ordinances essentially stalling GRID scale WIND in their back yards.
on site = local generation = no transmission loss
10-30% loss in transmission
economic realities
Electricity
1. transmission costs = rate hike
2.The Renewable Portfolio Standard : Wind Power Marketer's dream. Charging $85 to $100 per megawatt into a grid where commonly the price is $55 per megawatt = rate hike
3. Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative penalizes conventional electric generators . That's an increase in costs, = rate hike
4.Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase, = rate hike
5. GRID scale WIND = rate hike
rate hikes
Higher prices increase rates, high-priced transmission construction, and other related integration costs will crush the region's economy.
rate hikes
There is a downside: Maine ratepayers will pick up a small portion of the cost
How much is Maine's share of the cost? it is a rate hike.
2.The Renewable Portfolio Standard : Wind Power Marketer's dream. Charging $85 to $100 per megawatt into a grid where commonly the price is $55 per megawatt. Higher prices = rate hike
3. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative penalizes conventional electric generators . That's an increase in costs = rate hike.
4. Efficiency Maine , a program that places a surtax on everyone's electric bill. That's an increase = rate hike.
. So, what part of increasing costs due to incorrect renewables don't you understand, ?
not enough
rich can pay more and corps too.
energy costs
LePage said he does not like RGGI, RPS and EM because it causes electric rates to go up. Not good for Maine business.
Yet, we know GRID scale WINd is causing electricity prices to go up and he does not stop WIND.
Colleen
Help us.
protect Maine
Who will protect Maine?
Hinck is in with GRID SCALE WIND. He will destroy our mountain tops.
I guess
I guess WIND is good.
red lights spin
Carroll said the majority of people were surprised at how their opinions had changed about wind projects in Maine.
Majority of who? 200 that attended? Did you ask them all?
What about your Mass buyer?
The current annual market price for electricity bought by ISO-NE and distributed throughout New England is $55 per megawatt hour.
The Operator of the Spruce Mountain Wind Project has a contract with Norwood, Mass. to sell electricity at $99.70 per megawatt hour.
The Federal Wind Production subsidies amount to a gift of $56.29 per megawatt hour.
Geraldine Richards lives in Byron
GR has to look at turbines on Record Hill even tho Byron ousted Angus.
Jay, Wilton, all border towns are going to wish thay could do something about WIND turbines. GO HYdro GO.
Fitts fits
notice WIND people, FITTS will argue til they are blue. but I say, leave our mountains alone and run your corridor along the turnpike, railway etc.
Geraldine Richards =Fitts is having a Fit cause if this goes thru he looses MONEY - Power from Canada can make CMP rates lower if they want to compete and BAN Turbines...I am all for NO WIND TURBINES
Fitts and Hinck
These 2 have direct connections to WIND companies and push any WIND project they can under the guise of renewable.
i had a plan
I had a plan and the land, I wanted to build fossil fuel free homes for vacationers.
Once you arrived in your vehicle; no more fossil fuels for a week or two or months or years.
On site solar systems still allow vacationers their electronics but they will learn how to use an egg beater for mixing ingredients.
They will experience silence on this southern exposed mountainside with nothing but raptors and wildlife above you.
The sound of water under the ground.
Alas, a Massachusetts company will ruin the area for wildlife and silence for ever more.
industrial wind
or decrease the areas currently designated for expedited wind power development.
ow....can't go against BIG WIND.
The energy from WIND is not
The energy from WIND is not the future of our children.
There is not enough land to host it all.
science and economy
said they have expanded the lessons, not just to science but on social studies and the economy.
Did the lesson get taught about the subsidies, production tax credits, renewable energy certificates, guaranteed government loans, tax shelters, property devaluation?
Did the lesson get taught of how low density energy has NO capacity on our GRID?
power?
“All that power is going to someone in Massachusetts,” he said. “Why should we destroy our mountains for someone else?”
WIND has NO capacity. Wind does not blow 75%.
Transmission loss is 10-30%
a "parasitic" suck from the GRID 24/7
All that money (USA stimulis money) is going to someone in Massachusetts.
protected under the migratory bird act
The Production Tax Credit has been the primary federal financial support mechanism for wind, which rewards developers and investors with 2.2 cents per kWh over 10 years. The main source of revenue for projects are PTCs, and trading renewable energy market certificates (RECs).
And stimulis grants and backed up loans. And tax revenue from your town.
We should not let out of staters take our money and our land.
The developer is not going to stop at 22 turbines. River Valley will have no tourism if some measures are not taken to protect it's n atural beauty.
If Byron and Roxbury can figure out a way to make it pay for the
If Byron and Roxbury can figure out a way to make it pay for them,
Byron told Angus to go back to the coast.
Roxbury has no tax status change with Angus et. al. holdings on Record Hill.
Is Angus still paying tree growth?
Roxbury residents saw decrease in tax bills last year because costs were cut and student enrollment changed. NOT because Angus paid anyone.
When does Roxbury get free electricity?
Roxbury can shelter taxes in their own rainy day fund. Ask Mike Rogers of Maine Revenue.
ordinances
are so neccesary. I wish each town could have an attorney on each committee. Wind developers have ruthless lawyers. But any ordinance can be amended. We, the towns of Maine need to keep these developers out of the mountains until the federal stimulis money dries up.
angry?
I do not remember being angry.
promote
Kevin learned. Now he is doing the right thing and moving on.
Les Otten might be a man who can envision our River Valley as an attraction.
Lem sissell was on the right track but i quess he wanted a fast buck.
So we are not rich in the river valley, so our children go elsewhere for jobs.
So we keep our cabins in Maine and cater to the vacationers.
Thank You, Rumford Citizens, for saving your grandchildren's wilderness.
for up to 20 turbines could drastically increase the valuation o
what about the 437 properties with-in 2 miles from turbines?
short sighted
Mark, Did you make a foilage run up SCENIC route 17 through Oquoosic this year? Do you like what you see? How about the transmission lines? How are they looking? I quess I am too short sighted to see.
oh my
You say, "They are spinning in a number of rural towns, generating clean, renewable energy and helping to move us from dependence on foreign fuel sources."
WIND has NO capacity.
A fuel source will remain at all times as a back-up to WIND.
Foreign? As in Hydro-Quebec?
Governor, put hydro back on the renewables list. Please?
take control
DEP regulations allow 45 decibals at 2000 feet from turbine center.
LURC just mandated 40 decibals from turbine center.
Rural is 20 decibals. Each increase by 6 or so decibals reads as twice the sound in your ears.
Take control, vote "YES" for moratorium.
Peru and other citizens;
A debate will ensue about TIF monies and Tax valuations.
Monday, November 7 at 5 pm at Dixfield Library.
Louis Smith of Department of Economic Communty Development and
Mike Rogers of Maine Revenue will answer questions.
See you there. amb
health for Oxford County
Selectmen were told a OneMaine Health Community Health Needs Assessment Forum will be held from 3:30 to 5 p.m. Nov. 16 at Southern Maine Medical Center in Biddeford. Health concerns for Oxford County will be discussed.
Do we need to go to the meeting to express our concerns on wind turbines and their health impacts?
take a ride
Everyone should take a drive up "scenic" route 17 to the new "scenic" turnout in Oquoosic. Something is very wrong with this picture.
tax valuation
Sumner, I am sure the turbines in Woodstock are becoming visable by now. Is this really what we want Western Maine to look like? Take control because DEP will not help you.
The hunter who bagged a deer under a turbine was lucky he can still go near the turbines. A law will be in effect soon that he was trespassing and for safety reasons we will not be allowed 1500 feet from these things.
Yhese ice-age eco-systems will be missed.
The story is about a buyer
The story is about a buyer for property( 1.2 miles away from a proposed Wind turbine) walks away.
NO SALE
We DID NOT talk to the town manager, even though my correspondence was addressed to him. He forwarded the e-mail I sent him, requesting a meeting, to the Assessor contracted by the Town. Town Manager chose not to 'deal with us' and passed us on to the Assessor instead. It was pretty blatant and disrespectful.
The Assessor is like a guard dog, trained to attack. He was arrogant, aggressive and condescending. When he realized we were not intimidated, he offered to go to our property on the Road and "re-assess" to see if there was something he could "do for us" to keep us happy. It was pretty obvious that he did not want us conferring or rallying the troops on the Road . He does not want them aware of the fact that their property values have already been adversely affected, yet they are still paying taxes on an assessed amount that is now falsley high. They want the people affected to pay the inflated tax on their devalued land for as long as they are ignorant enough to do so. He gave us a big song and dance about adjusting our value, we parted and never heard from him again.
Please use our story to help get the word out that not all the crooks are in Washington DC. I'm sure Patriots Renewables are having good laugh about the naivete' and ignorance of Maine's small town citizens.
drastically increase the value of the town
A short term in crease in valuation (5 years of accelerated depreciation) will be more than off set by property owners asking for tax abatements.
There are over 435 parcels of property with-in 2+- miles of proposed turbine centers.
Will the value go down?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2011/09/30/ontario-wind-power...
powerful lobbying group
The board listened to up to date facts about this non-economic development. People realize WIND is a scam and in 5 years Roxbury Village will have no economic base other than more turbines. People on the lakes (Derapse on Garland, etc.)will demand tax rebates soon. If turbines are not in your back yard, that is a selling point in the future. Lucky people in protected zones.
Thank You Sally
We are not the vocal minority. Many, many people know it is wrong to kill wilderness for NO energy capacity whats so ever.
Thanks again for being vocal.
property values
are the landowners that sigend leases with First Wind cutting their property? Is their land changing status at the town valuation list?
Is Roxbury receiving adjusted taxes as soon as Angus King improved the property?
If people think a TIF is boosting economy then they better be prepared for when WIND claims bankruptcy.
TIF is tax dollars borrowed, based on the premise the land borrowed against will be worth more in so many years.
Monday November 7 at 5 pm there is a TIF and State Revenue meeting at the Dixfield Library. A representative at the state level from each area will be there.
Mark, Here is a chance to ask questions about the future of turbine monies,
Rumford Take Control
Take control,, YES vote on ordinance means you are in control.
It may be that the huge turbines they want to put all over your mountains will need re-designing.
SO re design.
Noise is a problem and who ever said 40 dcb is a whisper is not a scientist. We need quantifying and qualifying.
Rural areas are generally 20 dcb. If you look at Saddleback Ridge sound modeling you see that at 2 miles from turbine center a 35 dcb noise is expected.
Neighbors used to 20 dcb at night will be bothered. I do not know if the wild life will care.
http://www.maine.gov/dep/blwq/docstand/sitelaw/Selected%20developments/2...
an ordinance so it can be enforced by officials
an ordinance so it can be enforced by officials
10 towers
Really, Is this worth the destruction?
WIND has no capacity.
75% WIND does not blow. 10-30% loss in transmission.
The WIND industry tells you the power is sold to Massachusetts. It is all a game. No power goes very far.
WIND companies sell REC and get TPC. Oh, and the second half of the stimulis money.
Woodstock amended rules and allowed 50 decibels at night where humans and animals have been listening to 20 decibels for 10,000 years.
REC = renewable energy credit...TPC = tax production credit
it's cheap and can be made from organic waste
there you have it......on site power.............no transmission
Legislature seems to understand this far better than the governo
Stacey Fitts, co-chair of the Joint Standing Committee on Energy, Utilities and Technology, works for Kleinschmidt Associates, an engineering, licensing, environmental service firm offering specialized technical services to the renewable industry.
the Legislature seems to understand this far better than the gov
Alex Cornell du Houx, an avid supporter of wind power, is the outreach coordinator of the Truman National Security Project.
A sister organization of the Truman National Security Project is Operation Free, where Mr. Du Houx serves as Campaign Director. The organization’s logo prominently features industrial wind turbines.
Fortunately, the Legislature seems to understand this far better
Energy Co-chair Hinck and Wind Industry Lawyer wife Browne not a CONFLICT OF INTEREST - Who is the Maine Ethics Commission?
In some cases, a conflict can exist if the employer or client of a Legislator — or another person or organization in close economic association with the Legislator — has a direct financial interest in legislation." Jon Hinck is married to Juliet Browne who is a lawyer and partner at Verill Dana whose main practice deals with the defense of wind power companies .
hydro is no renwable in Maine
please....hydro is ignored in WIND law
It’s practically our sole source of industrial growth, plus the
It’s practically our sole source of industrial growth, plus the high-paying jobs that come with it.
It’s practically our sole source of industrial growth, plus the high-paying jobs that come with it.
It’s practically our sole source of industrial growth, plus the high-paying jobs that come with it.
What are the 200,000 + tourism jobs?
What about the firewood business?
What about the medicinal marijuana farming?
What about Casino Service Industry?
Les Otten's ski industry plan works in Western Maine.
His pellet stoves belong in southern Maine.
just say NO
WIND has NO capacity.
WIND = 75% does not blow, 10-30% loss in transmission.
WIND industry is selling REC (Renewable Energy Credits) to out of state. Entities like YALE; this allows YALE to burn fossil fuels at their schools. RECs are sold to companies who want to claim "GREEN" yet are dirty burners.
WIND = NO Capacity...back-up required at all times.
Burn wood if you want to get off foreign oil.
Your mountain tops will be worth more as wood lots than leased lands.
Firewood is not an easy business but people can make some money delivering locally.
3,000 homes?
WIND = 75% does NOT blow
10-30% loss in transmission.
WIND is a loss at the turbine.
WIND has no capacity.
How can SUN media keep printing these lies from the industry about the capacity of these things?
as big as mountains
some are as big as the mountains they are placed on. Baldacci, DEP and LURC did not address the red blinking aviation lights that are visible more than 8 miles away. 24 hours a day.
Stacy Fitts
Why is it that Rep Stacey Fitts can be one of the biggest wind cheerleaders in the state, making decisions on wind and shaping legislation - all of which will benefit his employer, Kleinschmidt Associates.
upgrade grid from canada?
Please let us buy power from hydro. Allow Canada to pipe down turnpike. Leave the mountains to the wildlife.
“We've built a whole
“We've built a whole infrastructure in this country — particularly in Maine — based on the premise of cheap oil,” he said.
Scratch that OIL and replace with WIND?
“People talk about mountaintop destruction, but this isn't it,” he said, showing a slide of Virginia, where mountaintop removal mining is taking place.“We don't want the mountain to be an inch shorter than it is.”
Check out Mars Hill Destruction on Maine Wind Concerns FACEBOOK.
WIND keeps changing the
WIND keeps changing the numbers.
one turbine = 1000 homes is false....
2MW turbine = -75% does not blow = .5 MW
.50 MW - 10-30% loss in transmission = -MW
WIND has NO Capacity.
Yet the turbines require a "parasitic" draw 24/7 from the GRID.
Three years into the crisis and with two more likely ahead, it appears governments still believe they’ll be able to lie their way out of this hole.
For over a decade policymakers have led us to believe that a green revolution led by renewable energy is required to improve energy security, to cut energy spending, and to avert global warming.
Policymakers not only mislead us about the green revolution, but also investors. Billions went into wind, solar, and other renewable sources with the promise of secure, fixed income until the technologies could compete with fossil fuels.
roxbury
everyone take a foilage drive up route 17 towards Coo's Canyon. Is this what we want?
join windtaskforce.org
or facebook Maine Wind Concerns for up dates on this war to save our mountains.
Roxbury
Farmington residents, take a foilage drive up route 17 in Mexico, Frye, Byron Maine. Look at Angus Kings turbines. Then decide if they look good.
WIND = 75% does not blow, 10-30% loss in transmission, a parasitic draw from the grid 24/7,
WIND has NO capacity. Wind depends on back up at all times.
how to stop WIND
join windtaskforce.org
Baldacci set a law and we follow it to the T with DEP.
What is adverse impact?
windtaskforce.org plans on changing the laws.
We need members to support legislation in January.
Join windtaskforce.org; check the site once or twice a week.
windtaskforce.org will keep you up o date.
oops
forgot Angus gets our money and land...
eye guess
learn to give out of staters your tax dollars, jobs and land.
renewable energy lobbyists
Why cannot the Governor make Hydro a renewable energy in Maine?
The power.
no capacity
WIND has NO CAPACITY
75% does not blow
10-30% loss in transmission
5% "parasitic" draw 24/7 from GRID
NEVER ON THE GRID
WIND = NO CAPAICTY
THANK YOU
I will read LTEs this week.
along with the drivers from
along with the drivers from the Minnesota-based Anderson Trucking Services
The rest goes to the manufacturers of the turbine parts, towers made in Vietnam and blades and nacelles made in Denmark,
McFarland, along with seven or eight other truckers
The men and women come from all over the country.
THERE WILL BE NO MONEY FOR ROAD BUILDING AFTER BIG WIND SPENT IT ALL.
"Your roads suck," said McFarland, a pilot for eight years, sitting outside his hotel room one evening at the Admiral's Ocean Inn in Belfast. "I mean that; they're a nightmare.""As far as bridges go, there just hasn't been a lot of that work out there lately. This has carried us through. Otherwise, it would have been the unemployment line."
wind towers
Drive to Roxbury. Want to buy some property there?
Wind Turbines will dominate the area. No tourism promoted. No property sales. No wildlife habitats. No recreation on that ridge anymore. What is your tax base in five years after these machines have been depreciated?
In all fairness though, once the area is changed to industry mankind kind of gets used to it all. No more eagles.
Hey we grew up with the dirty Androscroggin. Thought it was a way of life.
facts?
can you state some facts the citizens do not know about?
tough economic times?
Denmark's electrical rate is 35 cents a kw. USA? about 10 cents...
Denmark's unemployment?
Any way. These are tough economic times and the WIND industry is hoping you fall for your tax payers money they offer.
These turbines depreciate in 5 years and then your new plow trucks will need repairs.
Turbines have devalued, properties with-in sight of the turbines have devalued.
There really is not much capacity in WIND turbines...do not depend on them to run your schools..look at UMPI.
Rumford needs sustainable growth. Look to the recreation of the area. Do not ruin it.
money? where?
wind has no capacity on the grid...no energy
what
WIND = 75% does not blow
oops freudian slip
What is good about Big WIND?
why wind?
Kevin,
Please tell us why you think Industrial WIND is Goof for your area?
They all knew something was wrong.” carolyn chute
All these people were people that someone had tried to take something away from. They all knew something was wrong.”
wind
WIND = 75% does not blow 10-30% loss in transmission, 5% "parasitic
" draw from the GRID = 0 energy....no capacity?
capacity factor
there once was a nameplate capacity.
then there was 25% wind blows
now we know
no room on the GRID for WIND
8 of 11
8 of the 11 jobs mentioned are out of staters.
How much did this project cost? How much was paid by public taxes?
over 2000 pounds of rare earth metals, mined in China, make up each nacelle.
WIND is destroying the earth.
Most of the money made go to out of staters.
out of state
why do we allow out of state corporations destroy ice-age eco-systems so thay can become richer?
Maine, we gain nothing.
We lose tourism and land values.
We fragment wildlife. We allow destroying of water tables.
Transmission lines running through our woods.
No more hunting and recreating near these Industrial turbines.
The list goes on for the negatives of BIG WIND.
Angus King and Rob Gardiner are rich Mainers. Why do we allow them to destroy our neck of the woods for Massachusetts air conditioning?
Governor is allowing natural gas to be the alternative until a real solution is found to power up earthlings.
proof of record hill?
what proof from Record Hill ? Science and Politics do not mix?
Money? Record Hill Wind is like 70% financed by tax payers?
Jobs are fleeting then what are we left with? Let us see if Roxbury camps do go up for sale.
I see no science on Record Hill, I see destruction of ice-age ec0systems?
commerce
doesn’t say is that while $1 billion has been spent on industrial wind developments built in Maine, approximately two-thirds of that money has gone overseas to countries like China, where the turbines are manufactured.
Two-thirds of that $1 billion was not “invested” in Maine.
also made no mention of that fact that the lion’s share of the money “invested” in wind comes from federal, state and local subsidies: grants, loan guarantees, tax production credits, renewable energy credits, accelerated depreciation and tax increment financing. This is money from our pockets, and the pockets of future generations of Mainers.
might also like to speak with Maine Revenue Services to clarify exactly how many years that “tax revenue” increase of $ is expected to last.
Do we let this poor energy source bleed us dry while damaging our mountain ecosystems and causing health problems for our citizens? Or do we call a halt to wind development now, while we study wind’s true costs, its output, its reliability?
The wind isn’t going anywhere. If its benefits can be proven to outweigh its negative impacts, can we not continue the massive build-out a few years from now?
Maine already produces more energy than we consume, so there is no hurry for wind.
Conscientious legislators will want to err on the side of caution. They’ll want to study existing wind facilities before investing another $1 billion of our money in this energy source.
what part do we not understand?
WIND = 75% does not blow...5% "parasitic" draw from GRID...10-30% loss in transmission. WIND kills birds, bats, bugs, tourism, property values, cheap electricity.
WIND creates money for rich, out of state corporations.
Rumford knows the windfall in the form of tax revenues will dry up in five years and then the property adjacent to these turbines has devalued, then bankruptcy.
Oh and who controls the mountaintops then? No more recreating on our ridges.
Noise predictions
If Rumford uses State DEP noise numbers, people from almost 2 miles away will hear 3-5 times the noise they are used to hearing.
I hope Rumford citizens are driving to Roxbury and looking at these things. After year 5 the accelerated depreciation will kick in and the town value goes down.
This is a mess and I am proud that Rumford slowed down and really looked at these things.
Good job, keep it up. Your grand children will thank you.
tazer them
a greaT sweeping arm tazers them.......parasitic draw of course
is roxbury happy?
wait until they are operational. This winter will tell a different story when people start hearing them.
it is not a tourist site
people cannot just walk up to them......snowmobilers you will be prohibited from ridges soon.
maybe
The movie "Windfall" documents how easy selectmen fall prey to the WINDUSTRY scam. Follow the money in Windustry and you usually find a pay off, bribe. Maybe
debate
come on WIND...I want to attend a debate.....Rumford would be a good place because First Wind wants that area for multiple wind farms.
Neil Keilly? Jeremy Payne? Ken Fletcher? Stacy Fitts? someone??
okay do not hurt
300+ wetlands destroyed on one project hurts animals and humans. Drilling and blasting water tables on top of mountains causes flooding down land... Please, the destruction of water, habitats and plant life should be enough hurt.
Those people on that list are real and they will be hurt by erosion, noise and property values.
GRID scale WIND is a scam that rich companies can use to get your tax dollar.
Do you like paying for ethanol even though you know it is hurting the environment?
small scale hydro
along the same lines as tidal...that damn in Rumford could have several series of smaller dams in front of it. smaller dams such as the tidal generators. if water gets low, turn them off or pull them up.
i know people will complain but GRID scale WIND is using your children's tax dollar to ruin your mountain tops for expensive erractic wind. WIND will bankrupt your town based on property value loss alone.
forever
solar, wood, hydro methane
nope
nope the buyer was all for the beautiful property over looking Colonel Holman Mountain. When the buyer became aware a project is proposed they walked..no sale...
Those names are people that have paid taxes for generations on their property...they do not want to be sold out by tax sucking projects such as grid scale wind...stop this over use of our taxes. Wind is old technology...it does not foot the bill...
geo thermal is answer in Costa Rica, Nevada...
Hydro is the answer in Maine and New England..
Wind Turbines will fail...
and towns will go bankrupt
windfall
you personally like wind turbines....do you own land near a wind farm? How much is your land valued now?
Here is a list of 305 property owners (with-in 2 miles from a proposed project) in Dixfield Maine that will hear 3-5 times more noise than they are used to. Their property values will go down. Ask the Whittermores why their home did not sell.
abbott
abbott
abbott
adams
adams
albrecht
alpaugh
arrow
arsenault
awalt
babbitt
bates
baumgartel
bean
beedy
beggs
bellegarde
Belskis
bernard
berry
berry
berry
berry
blanchard
blouin
bolduc
blouin
bourgoin
bradeen
brann
brann
brann
brann
brown
brown
brown
brown
brundage
buotte
burgess
burgess
burns
brann
cannon
carlton
carlton
bryant
bryant
bucci
buchanan
carter
chase
child
collins
collins
cook
coolidge
coolidge
coolide
coolidge
crane
crocker
daigneault
cumberland security corp
curit
curtis
curtis
curtis
daley
daley
dolloff
elliott
dustin
dyer
dzuz
e & l logging
durrell
drottar
drown
dunham
daley
daley
ellis
ellis
ellis
ellis
enman
eno
farwell
felt
finnan
fitch
fletcher
fletcher
frank
fuchs
gagnon
gallant
gammon
garbarini
gilsleider
given
gladu
glover
goldthwaite
goodwin
gould
graham
grant
gray
grignon
gullage
gurney
haley
haley
hall
hall
haney
hanmer
hardy
harkness
harvell
harvey
harvey
haylock
haynes
haynes
hebert
hebert
hebert
hebert
heintz
heintz
hill
hiscock
hixon
hodge
hodge
hodgson
hodsdon
holcomb
holman
holman
holman
holman
horne
houghton
hutchins
hutchinson
jalbert
jarvis
jasud
jewett
jordan
jordan
kersey
kersey
kersey
knight
knowles
knowles
labbe
labrecque
landry
lane
laplant
laprell
larsen
latouche
le ray
legere
libby
lindstedt
linnekin
littlehale
macfarland
macomber
marcoux
marshall
marston
martell
mcpherson
mawhinney
mckeen
menthe
merrill
merrill
merrill
merrill
merrill
met life home loans
michaud
mills
mcvay
medcoff
melvin
menthe
moody
moody
morin
morin
morrison
minardi
montgomery
morrison motors
morrison
morse
murphy
newbold
noyes
noyes
nye
oakes
packard
palmer
palmer
parise
pelletier
pendexter
pepin
perkins
perry
philbrick
phillips
pierce
pineau
piper
porter
pratt
pratt
quinn
rackliffe
ranger
recktenwald
rene
rice
richard
richards
ridley
rodrigues
rollins
rollins
rollins
rovers inc
roy
rumley
sampson
servants of jesus christ
shardlow
smith
sprague
s-severy lodge corp
stearns
smith
smith
steeves
stefani
stefani
sterns
stowe
soubble
speranza
sprague
swan
swan
swan
thebarge
theriault
thorndike & sons
thurston
tifft
tompkins
towle
ownsend
trifilo
dixfield common baptist church
turner
twitchell
tyler
underwood
volkernick
waite
waite
wang
webb river sportsman club
webster
weeks
welch
welch
werner
white
white
white
whitman
whitman
whittermore
whittermore
whittington
windover
witas
wolos
wright
wright
wright
$500 kilowatt
It is not funny but, a subcontractor can buy unframed solar panels from Miami Florida warehouse because Korea did not accept a delivery from USA.
My price is not a kit. panels only. comparing because a turbine is a turbine, it needs transmission lines to work.
I have lived off the grid for 10 years. While the sun may shine 50% of the time I bought extra panels to ensure my batteries are topped off.
I still use propane for refrigeration, maybe next year I buy more solar and batteries and run frig.
My solar panels are not affecting you in the least, where as 12 # 460 foot turbines on a ridge affects any one with-in 8 miles. If you bought land in Rangeley, do not let go of it. It is in protected area and will be worth a fortune in the next 5 years.
Please consider the alternatives in Maine...hydro...wood....solar...on site generation for homes.
Help us stop big wind.
costs per kilowatt
75% wind does not blow is irrelevant?
costs per kilowatt? try the tune of 3-4 million dollars a turbine and figure out how many kilowatts will make a break even point. By the time you do that the turbines need repairs..
I guess bats and birds and bees and animal habitats are not costly.
Jason, this wind energy is a scam and will not save the earth.
Our demand for electricity will grow and grow and there is not enough room on earth for all the wind facilities needed.
$500 will buy you 1 kilowatt of solar panels.....place on site and there is no transmission loss.
Added benny...you are not totally dependent on the GRID.
benefits
give me some benefits and I can show where you are wrong.
WIND = 75% it does not blow, 10-30% loss in transmission, 5% "parasitic" draw from the GRID.
WIND sucks stimulis money from Americans and gives it to foreign countries.
wind turbines will render my property useless
rural Maine is used to 20 dcb at night. Most modeling of turbine projects show 35 dcbs at 2 miles. These people will be hearing 3 times the noise they were used to.
gee
on site solar is 50 cents a watt.
$500 will buy you 1 kilowatt of power.
Saddleback wind project models 35 dcb at 2 mile from turbine center.
Rural is 20 dcb; 35 dbc = 3 times the noise residents have lived with.
noise
The links will bring you to noise reports...scroll down to pretty maps.
http://www.maine.gov/dep/blwq/docstand/sitelaw/Selected%20developments/2...
http://www.maine.gov/dep/blwq/docstand/sitelaw/Selected%20developments/S...
10dbc increase equals to a doubling of noise to your ear.
Spruce Mountain is rural and it's ambient (background) noise is 20 dcb.
Saddleback ridge is rural = 20 dcb.
So each project has 45dcb just short of a residence. (by turning down turbines at night, making less power)
So each resident will hear 5 times a noise they hear now.
This 5 timesing of noise is an ADVERSE impact to residents with-in a mile of any project, anywhere.
just reject wind and welcome tourism
Shadow flicker cannot be divided into per day. The months of November, December and January show longer shadows because of the low position of the sun at Winter Solstice.
10 hours of shadow flicker may work out to be 20 minutes on December 20 and diminish each day the sun rises in the sky.
Now imagine the shadow flicker you see on You Tube at your property.
what is it guys?
50.6 MW nameplate capacity rules down to about 5-10 MW of actual power.
75% wind does NOT blow, 10-30% loss in transmission, 5% "parasitic" draw from grid 24/7.
NRCM states the number 13MW will power up 22,000 houses in Oxford County.
320 million divided by 22,000 nets about $15,000 a household.
Solar panels sell for 50 cents a watt. $500 buys you a kilowatt of power. I am quite sure we can use the $14,500 left over to buy a few batteries.
Chu of DOE says 200 jobs, angus says 150. Room for margin everywhere.
and what about property values?
yippi-ky-i-yi
Kevin, you were not even there.
Thanks to resistance Rumford people are reading between the lines of the media.
World Health Organization guidelines are ambient noise plus 5 dba.
Rural = ambient 25 dba
The noise is especially intrusive because wind energy facilities are often built in rural areas where the ambient sound level may be quite low, especially at night. On the logarithmic decibel (dB) scale, an increase of 10 dB is perceived as a doubling of the noise level. An increase of 6 dB is considered to be a serious community issue. Since a quiet night in the country is typically around 25 dB, the common claim by wind developers of 45 dB at the nearest home would be perceived as a noise four times louder than normal. And because it is intermittent and directional, those affected assert that one can never get used to it. The disruption of sleep alone presents serious health and human rights issues.
Go to this URL and see how over 60 residents will hear 4 times the noise they were used to.
http://www.maine.gov/dep/blwq/docstand/sitelaw/Selected%20developments/2...
Saddleback Wind in South Carthage Maine did not have the decency to tell these 60 residents WIND was coming...
Patriots Renewable is fudging sound modeling by not including STRN (Short Term Repetitive Noise) because no standard testing is available.
Wake up Kevin and read, all you can. Ask windwatch,org any question you have.
wind
weld,
you are so beautiful
green power
who was Interfaith's power provider.
WIND =75% does not blow, 10-30% loss in transmission, 5% "Parasitic draw from grid.
WIND is a negative power supply and destroys ice-age eco-systems, birds, bats and TOURISM jobs.
WIND should be taken out of any renewables program.
130 million
320 million dollars to charge up 22,000 homes
$14,545 each home.
before we add transmission costs we should deduct 10-30% in transmission loss to 13MW expected generation.
Solar panels sell for 50 cents a watt right now.
$500 will buy 1 kilowatt of power.
"collusion with the utility,"
"collusion with the utility," "willful negligence," and "arbitrary and uninformed" decisions.
Sounds like wind industry and government
UN
agenda 21
welfare??
vote on moral issues omly
no tax dollar...no tax vote
taxes
county up? why? I can see paying if more sheriffs, not
1 high school
how long commute?
tax dollars
Your tax dollars are wasted on these big wind machines.
One Job.
TIFs everywhere.
Destruction of Ice-age eco-systems.
Red Strobing lights seen over 8 miles away.
No body sells property with-in sight of them.
Property values go down.
In one year the town will be wondering how to sell it self.
Stick with tourism, BMOM, the Falls, exttreme camping, rock climbing, rivers.
And maybe no sidewalks.
3 bald eagles
with an 8 mile hunting range do you think one of these baldies will hit a turbine?
Migratory Bird Treaty Act
"Imagine if the Migratory Bird Treaty Act was completely waived for the North Woods," West said. "Nesting eagles now could potentially have their habitat completely destroyed because Homeland Security deems that a fence may be appropriate for that particular area."
That is exactly what DEP and LURC are doing when they allow special "take" permits to Grid Scale Wind Developers.
These special "take" permits allow for incidental deaths of migratory birds. No fines, no jail time. Nope, these LLC's are treated better than the average american.
cut up the land
loggers have been cutting up the land for years.
State mandated No clear cuts, but , I see it! They pay the fine.
Soo trees grow back..but if the clear cut drills 40 feet and then blasts... you alter water tables.
Breaking a water table is irreversible. No water....No life....
Big difference between WIND and logging.
WIND is not sustainable...logging can be.
WIND destroys... logging clips.
Wait til you hear about the noise problem across lakes.
developer of "Maine" land
If a devloper is developing in "Maine" it is because it is "Maine"; NO turbines breaking up the horizon lines and interfering with "views". we sell "views" as realestate and tax buyers more because of the rarity of it.
Most big loggers look at their land in 10-20 year cutting plans (given state mandate..NO CLEAR CUTTING).
So, cut the shit out of your land (overcut a trans line or two) and then lease to a Wind LLC. You get the land back (minus blasted water tables so no trees grow back)and give to your grand children to live, develop, sell; time will tell.
A skiing group? Sunday River per say? Newry has no planned Wind Projects. Sunday River creates too many jobs. I am sure Sugar loaf is gettiing some comments on seeing Kibby Mtn, especially at night, with red flashing lights instead of stars and stars. Ski areas bank on snow and views. remote??? i do not know.
So we have noise...turbines are too close to private and public property. 2000 feet is not far enough away..
1 mile from turbines opens up a longer list of impacted property owners. noise....on some days appears closer than it appears.
thank you
Richard James and BEP
your search is of a report published in late 2009.
Try a "Ricahrd James" searh on wind-watch.org, many updates.
BEP has a public hearing on wind turbine noise until July 18 2011.
Many many noise facts are being presented in these testimonies, but, alas the transcripts will not be ready for months.
I believe Frienda of Maine's Mountains has some testimonies on their site.
79 current victims in Maine
testimony to BEP quoted 79 victims in Maine....thay are under oath
protected under the migratory bird act
so WIND Industry is not allowed "take" permits to kill these birds of prey??
art lingstrum
heart attacks are legitimate health problems.
night time noise
35 decibels at night will kill most of the Wind projects in Maine.
Rick James noted that Saddleback Wind did not use the +3 decibels in their sound models, but DEP and Patriot Renewables march right along in the permitting process.
PR states they will turn down turbines at night if, after a year, residents are having noise issues.
Okay, so you have 75% wind does not blow, 5% "parasitic" draw from grid and 10-30% loss in transmission. Now turn off these machines at night what do you have?
Wind is a scam and I wish the Governor would ask for a state wide moratorium rather than have people sell out because they have no recourse.
Please someone, help us. Thank You Friends of Maine's Mountains for hiring these experts.
Steven King, please give FMM a grant.
physical health and financial
Noise is an issue. World Health Organization has 40 dcb in rural area.
Mars Hill, FIW and Freedom all prove 45+ decibals are being heard by neighbors....
Sumner, find out how far away buildings need to be, world wide, with these new, bigger turbines. GOOGLE it.
Any one with-in 2-3 miles from these turbines will not be able to sell their property. We know this don't we???
WIND = 75% does not blow, 5% "parasitic" draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission......kills birds, bats and bugs, alters water tables.
NO water.......No life
civil disobedience to wake up civil rights
Erik and Willow and EF know the traditional avenues of governmental change were being sold off. people being bought off...by the tax subsidized Wind Industry. Our mountain tops sold by selectmen of the town.
civil rights to a moratorium revote in Carthage Maine'
civil rights to petition as much as you want..casinos, et al.
nope no civil Civil Rights in Carthage...2 petitions refused, one way or another....so we cannot stop this permit process....
citizens even have lawyers working on the refusal of right to petition but the permit process marches right along at DEP.
DEP pretty much sold their soul to Wind industry...
I am sorry EF needs to use such media driven tactics. I am sorry Erik and Willow are treated as criminals when we know no harm was done to anyone except Sisk Mountain...
If editors do indeed read the comments...you will be embarrassed when these big wind turbines ruin Maine. OR in ten years when Angus King owns multi-million dollar homes with best views going, paid by the taxpayers. I hope these home owners find water on top of those mountains and I do hope they pay property taxes.
lying
if any of the above is untrue then I am spreading lies because I was told these things.
civil disobedience to wake up civil rights
Erik and Willow and EF know the traditional avenues of governmental change were being sold off. people being bought off...by the tax subsidized Wind Industry. Our mountain tops sold by selectmen of the town.
civil rights to a moratorium revote in Carthage Maine'
civil rights to petition as much as you want..casinos, et al.
nope no civil Civil Rights in Carthage...2 petitions refused, one way or another....so we cannot stop this permit process....
citizens even have lawyers working on the refusal of right to petition but the permit process marches right along at DEP.
DEP pretty much sold their soul to Wind industry...
Patriots Renewable told land owners on Saddleback Ridge that DEP is guaranteed to except SBW project but having problems with Colonel Holman landowners. Problem???? If SBW permitted, then transmission lines run right over The Colonel...at that point you might as well hook up.
I am sorry EF needs to use such media driven tactics. I am sorry Erik and Willow are treated as criminals when we know no harm was done to anyone except Sisk Mountain...
If editors do indeed read the comments...you will be embarrassed when these big wind turbines ruin Maine. OR in ten years when Angus King owns mlutimillion dollar homes with best views going, paid by the taxpayers. I hope these home owners find water on top of those mountains and I do hope they pay property taxes.
make media show
Earth First are trying to wake America up..Maine take a hike or a ride to a mountaintop, look around....then thank the creator for that feeling.
wind = 75% does not blow, 5% "parasitic" draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission. Wind kills bugs, bats, birds and alters water tables.
NO water, NO life.
earth first
wind turbines detroy
Thank You Earth First. You are a shot in the arm when we do not know how to fight this wind wreck.
Let us hope you helped raise awareness..money does talk tho
right to petition
Kevin, people have the right to petition?
mighty andro
power power everywhere, not a drop to waste
you made a difference
you put the education out there as much as possible.
you were hindered by media bias and chairperson rulings but the people of Rumford can see wind is not the future.
If only the whole river valley could be spared.
mighty andro
i crossed a bridge over the mighty androscoggin several times yesterday. I asked,"How can you promote wind power with all this power flowing under us?" No answer.
Rumford, so a few landowners lost money. Is it about money?
Probably, because in the end it is the devaluation of abutters property that is agitating more and more people.
We can figure out how to live in Western Maine without destroying it.
Maybe some services will go by the way side.
president and vice president of fsm
we love you
sad sad sad I am sad
pay the fine.
when u r rich u can.
abutters had no back-up
many property owners will be mad when nature is altered.
maybe in the future u can sell your property, when the owners of turbines turn these landings into million dollar homes..
blast them mountain tops.
Tom Fallon
If a land owner does make money, how much money can a landowner make?
You see my town fathers are selling out for a short term gain.
Wind turbines do impact neighbors.
Neighbors want their fair share.
I wish I understood this
How and what is exactly a carbon credit? How is auction run?
bang for your buck
Rumford,
Turbines will devalue property with in site of ....
10 years from now turbines are depreciated....
who pays for what services?
The State law says " NO LESS THAN $4000 per turbine " The law says this " Community Benefit Package " is above and beyond property tax assessment which I think means the state can't touch this money by reducing State Revenue Sharing or Education Allotments. Of course many towns use TIFs to keep money from from being used to reduce State Revenue Sharing and Education Allotments, but these towns are not allowed to establish TIF contracts without citizen approval. With this Community Benefit Package allowing for a similar avenue to " shelter money " and the law specifically states this Community Benefit Package money CAN be used to reduce individual property taxes, why shouldn't this be brought forth for citizen approval ?
rumford is going under
For those who saw Tom Powell speak. If turbines are bullying their way into our valleys get your money's worth.
Say no to this rushed ordinance and start thinking of how to recoup the loss of property values.
The State law says " NO LESS THAN $4000 per turbine " The law says this " Community Benefit Package " is above and beyond property tax assessment which I think means the state can't touch this money by reducing State Revenue Sharing or Education Allotments. Of course many towns use TIFs to keep money from from being used to reduce State Revenue Sharing and Education Allotments, but these towns are not allowed to establish TIF contracts without citizen approval. With this Community Benefit Package allowing for a similar avenue to " shelter money " and the law specifically states this Community Benefit Package money CAN be used to reduce individual property taxes, why shouldn't this be brought forth for citizen approval ?
There will be law suits Rumford. Protect yourself. This ordinance does not protect you.
wind
wind= 75% does not blow, 5% "parasitic" draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission.
turbines kill bats bird and bugs. blasting alters water tables. no water.....no life.
wind is not the answer and i cannot believe germany is still pursuing it as a viable future.
signs paid for
NO NO NO boston based first wind DID NOT pay for signs and offering to invest 65 million in Rumford.
You you you the tax payers are supplying the funds.
You the poor people of western Maine will pay for this mistake the rest of our children's lives.
I hope people living with-in 3 miles from these farms never want to sell their house.
Sale lost on Common Road. Buyer heard turbines were coming.
2 Sales lost in Highland due to turbine threat.
I am sure when the real estate business comes forward with buyer refusals based on wind turbines we will not be surprised.
Rumford, the value of the turbines will depreciate and so will your land values. Who pays for services then?
no wind
wind = 75% does not blow, 5% parasitic" draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission. Wind turbines kill bats, birds, bugs. Wind turbines alter water tables. No water.....no life.
wind vote
a motion to discuss wind vote at 7 pm was 34 yes 24 no.
2/3 vote needed.
at 9:15 pm Land owners from the common road and colonel holman mountain areas were way up past their bed times. Some had sleeping babies in their laps, some left early.
several counts of the votes in the audience differed from clerks. who really knows?
Dixfield,
75% wind does not blow, 5% "parasitic" draw from the grid, 10-30% loss in transmission.
Turbines will operate Noise Reduction mode at night because of out of compliance to the liberal 45 dcbs allowed.
THEY ARE NOT GREEN, they do not produce.
At year 10 these turbines are 50% devalued.
add surrounding homes devalued at 50% and Dixfield is not looking too good.
Dixfield, If you invested in your property for future value, you need to express your concerns in writing.
We are working on a mailing list of impacted land owners.
RVAAW
68 people
first vote to discuss wind power clocked in at 34 wanting to vote and 24 not. 2/3 majority would have had 34 citizens talking about why they came to this meeting.
In stead mothers with children sleeping in their laps, older, land owners, way past their bed time.
The final count on the wind issue was 25-25, 26-24, 27-26????????? cannot say for sure.
I can say that 25 land owners are concerned about their property values.
What happens when the turbines are 50% value and all the land with-in 3 miles from turbines is 50% value?
Dixfield will regret killing colonel holman for nothing.
property values
okay so we are killing the earth with these wind turbines. Bats, birds, bugs, water tables altered.
Any one with-in sight of these farms has their property de valued.
Year 1+2 look good for the taxes. year 3 school, county and revenue sharing kick in. By year 10 the turbines are depreciated to 50%. Your tax base is going away.
In the 10 year interim land values with-in miles of these farms is also gone.
What happens when you have a bankrupt town? No services.
I have lived off the grid without services for 10 years now.
Wind is a scam. It will kill Rumford.
governor le page
Kevin,
This is not about "green" energy.
The fact these turbines will be turned down at night because of noise violations tells you it is not about generating power.
The fact that the media touts full capacity when quoting how many homes it will power up is a LIE.
Wind blows less than 25% of the time.
Wind turbines still need power when wind is not blowing.
10 - 30% loss in transmission lines pretty much puts wind in a negative production category.
One job, maybe.
protecting citizens
Wind = 75% wind does not blow, 5%
'parasitic" draw, 10- 30 % loss in transmission.
Wind = no energy and No jobs.
Blasting alters water tables.. No water.....No life..
nothing to do with Roxbury
who had things to do with the killing of roxbury Pond?
fair and protective
since you weren't able to answer any of the questions that were asked the other night at the meeting obvisouly you don't understand the ordiance so how would you know if it was fair and protective or not?
so many questions unanswered.
http://RecordHillWind/reports.com
they are blasting bed rock now...DEP go look.
Educational supper Friday night Dixfield high school
may 20, 2011 3-7 plant sale
citizens voted what?
word on the street is citizen's did not know what they were voting for.
words in citizens kitchens is they were not told of these things.
either way life is being destroyed....stop it. please
Mark, the money is fleeting...if there is a 'green" movement, Maine should be the place.
A home without fossil fuels.
The old fashioned way.
Jobs in farming, firewood and talents, not fake power...we do not need them.
We need our water.
ordinance is very fair
Mark,
You must be for Industry for money only.
If this electricty is needed why are the companies putting half the turbines on Noise Reduction Operation from 7 pm -7am every night? Wind Industry just wants the turbines up. They do not have to be running to get the second round of stimulis grants from your grand children. Renewable Energy Credits are sold.
Mark,
They are destroying Roxbury Lake basin as I write. Are you happy that water tables are altered, never to return? Once Maine blasting and drilling crack the water table on top of the ridge, the ridge dies. Herbicides make sure any rooted vegetation does not come back.
Tell your grandchildren why that dead bed rock ridge line is there.
You know that the decommisioning starts at ten years because after that the turbines are obsolete.
I hope the landowners are ready to maintain that high road because the industry has left.
If stormwater events happen (yearly) the road erodes more and more. Down goes all that sediment to Ellis Pond. Brooks clogged, habitats altered.
Are you ready to explain this to your grandchildren?
If so, I would love to read your reasonings.
Alice Barnett Carthage Maine
before the blades spin....
before the blades spin.... filling, blasting of a mountain top dries up the water for ever.. no water, no life.
Rumford, you feel like you do not have a say in your future, They tell you money is the answer. Rumford, you will have 3-400 turbines in your valley. Roxbury lake will die. Water on the mountain tops gone. Blade turbines are not the answer. Please wait another year. If Wind is the answer, the industry will still be knocking aT YOUR DOOR.
Let the sidewalks crumble for a year.
I live in the river valley and smelled the mill for years. The mountain tops are not mine but they affect me and my children.
lack of education
they do not know they are doing a dis service. they are uneducated.
Educational Supper Friday May 20, 2011 3-7 pm Dixfield High School.
Utility sized wind generators or alternatives?
water gone.......life gone
water gone.....life gone.....
they ae building the substation now, photos and all.
I cannot wait for the cracking of the higher elevations and vernal pools and water table gone.
water gone.....life gone.....
the insert is from the weekly reports of Record Hill Wind LLC
" Blasting activity has created some cracks in the ledge, which have allowed some groundwater seeps access to daylight. This water is being directed by ditch to the temporary pond. "
http://recordhillwind.com/reports
jonathan Carter
keep telling them like it is. enough littls guys and we win.
wind = 75% wind does not blow, 5% "parastic" draw, 10-30% loss in transmission.
Angus and the wind industry does not know how to add.
rivervalleysun
omg my name is cc help earth
citizens
2009 I Went to a wind meeting in Carthage Maine where you could ask questions.
My husband asked; 1st selectman, Steve Brown if this proposed Saddle Back Wind Project is a "done deal"? Selectmen pointed out that private property owners can act as they wish.
Okay, on the screen, comes a photo-simulation of the SBW turbines.
I recognized the area of the photo shot and saw turbines as tall as the mountains. I ask, "Is there a visual law?". "No", says Patriot Renewables.
Many citizens left that meeting feeling "hope less".
One year later Citizens Windtaskforce.org started challenging what they read.
I signed up for underground education because I never saw a bad word about Industrial Wind in the public newspapers.
2010 I am asked to see how many "receptors" want a public hearing about SBW. I started chasing down addresses and phone numbers until the time limit.
I contacted 24 of the 34 "receptors" on a study list of the IW developer.
These 24 did not know IW was planned.
Now I know citizens rights are being neglected.
Whose responsibility to protect health and welfare of citizens?
selectmen?
wind developer?
DEP?
representatives?
Thank You for reading. alice barnett carthage maine
citizens
citizens
taxation without representation
Citizens from the common road and severy hill road were not told of an Industrial Wind Farm being built in their backyard until McKay and Tibbetts started trekking around Dixfield.
Us government decided for the people that wind power will save the earth.
They took your taxes (or grandchild's)and awarded grants to Industrial Wind Companies (about 30% start-up)and then promised another 25% grant when project completed. (not on grid yet)
Then said if you have the capacity we will give you REC Renwable Energy Credits to sell.
Win for wind but not the taxpayers.
Citizens still do not have all the information yet but
A SUPPER AT Dirigo High School in Dixfield on Friday May 20,2011 from 3-7pm will help gather some education.
Supper, writings, sightings, music, podium for those with guts. A lot of mingling and talking with hopefully up to date truths.
FREE EDUCATION
town owned dam
lake control only? or can power be produced here?
Oh my! 46 want wind industry
37 want to stop this war on the earth.
60 megawatt capacity reduces to 5-10 megawatts to customers.
75% wind does not blow (or turned off because of noise)
05% "parasitic" use from grid
10-30% transmission line loss
Wind is not worth it.
40-60 million
I have 2 sheets of information from Eaton Peabody.
There is a discrepency of 20 million dollars on the value of the project.
Remember folks, a tax dollar DE-valuation of properties with-in 2 miles will off set any gain.
Ask what the real valuation is. Ask Freedom why they reassessed the assetts. They ran out of money.
Wind energy is killing the earth.
any nameplate capacity needs reducing by 80-90%
wind does NOT blow = 75%
"parasitic" loss = 5%
transmission line loss = 10-20%
No one gains.
The Earth loses.
thank you
I think there is more coming about the wind industry. I know of many that put pen to paper.
BUT, Tom Carroll spoke first. You know about first impressions.
Thank You for doing what your heart says to do.
I try to go a day without planning how to stop the madness, cannot be done.
My heart is breaking.
tourism and survival
tourism, i heard the governorship say something about micro-tourism.
what does that mean?
Western Maine haS THE LEAST LIGHTS OF USA. LURC passed a decision to keep it that way.
If "green" is the buzzz word then think of the dollars to be made offering NO FOSSIL FUEL breaks in the city dwelllers life.
NO FOSSSIL FUEL means a battery storage (yes u can still flip a switch) and wood heat.
If the vacationers do not know how to keep a wood fire going, I will gladly check on them daily; for a fee.
Money cannot buy back our ground water once the WIND cracks it open.
Money cannot feed wildlife.
Money will go away and what is left? Survival in place.
Buy local, work local, don't drive.
Wood is replacing oil in Western Maine. Loggers are back in business.
Local, local, local.
The wrongness of wind as an energy source is driving me loco.
$$$
no wonder town officials in Maine believe the wind industry and bite the carrot. $$$$$
I heard the governor say he will not allow subsidies, rebates, tax breaks any longer.,
Yes, let private Industry pave the way. If the service is needed, we will pay.
or ??? no answers.
set backs
learned from the Fox Islands wind project that siting turbine towers 2,500 feet from an abutting landowner “would have been a good idea.” Spruce mountain and Saddleback would not be in the pickle they are in right now with 2500' set back. so Powell I will not argue that 1 mile set back is the recommendation , world wide.
Powell also recommended they add language requiring a wind developer to conduct a water aquifer study and testing of wells prior to any blasting work.
Thank You, save the ground water tables of these mountain tops.
I bet we do not understand the studies.
"affirm to wind developers that existing recreational opportunities like hunting, snowmobiling or skiing at Black Mountain aren’t compromised by placement of wind turbines."
This aint going to happen. Safety set backs will force wind industry to shut down the ridge.
Un less you work for Industry you will never see the view from these ridges again.
Meetings with Powell and selectmen should be recorded. Siassi, make sure they do. please.
March 31
with county commissioners reimbursing the company 60 percent of those new taxes
looks like $100,000 annually in scenic and tourism business.
ok everybody WIND TURBINES EVERYWHERE
what business?
$30,000 to Alison Hagerstrom FCDC
$10,000 to TIF coordintyor? (Alison Hagerstrom?)
minor?
that causes a decrease of 27,797 square feet of impervious area and a decrease of 2,675 square feet of permanent impact to freshwater wetlands,
geez if this is minor?
permanent??? folks keep digging (no pun) something is wrong.
Where is Roxbury's moratorium meeting?
DEP ignores facts
several home owners in Saddleback basin asks if their spring fed wells will be affected.
The expert says most likely not. Asked if wind company did a base line study of these wells?
Well, no, they did not test these home owners wells. As they did not take sound studies at the ruralist of ruralist places. Hidden valley. They ignore my potential as a developer and decide my 60 acres are in unprotected zone. Even though I have a seasonal structure on this property and stay there overnights, all four seasons.
DEP has a way out of this project. They can interpret my seasonal structure as what it is. I will have a lawyer look at the facts and heed his advise.
STOP this DEP; find loop holes for us citizens as you do for wind industry.
Other agencies; Appalachian club, BPL, Rick James; tells of areas not addressed by wind law criterias. Blinking red lights, Saddleback ridge noise studies without 3dcb buffer, cummulative effects of out building of turbines.
One resident of Saddleback basin askes if any one on the panel read the whole application. No, not a one of them said yes. I thought so. It is huge folks, full of maps, photos, etc. I wonder if Andy Novey has read and understands the whole thing. I think not.
moratorium
any town, at any time, can put a moratorium in place. words of DEP
geothermal in hawaii
thank you Dr. Dosh, I hear there is a windfarm graveyard on your island. is this true?
You folks looked and found alternatives. I am hoping Mainers find an alternative to wind power.
But as Rand says, Maine does not need more power.
So, tax payers buy the farm
Massachusetts gets the power.
Everyones electrical rates go up.
Not good business or environmental sense.
dis agrees
how can you disagree the facts? Oh, that is right. The media does not publish the facts about wind industry. Read between the lines. crunch a few numbers.
bribery
Preston knows western Mainers have no money. His company uses our tax dollars to fight legal battles.
LET'S SEE.
Our tax dollars buy the turbines.
The power goes out of state.
Our rates triple.
Not good business.
Spruce Mountain will never be the same.Wildlife is fragmented.
and no carbon foot print displaced.
They will turn down turbines at night because of noise problems.
Not enough power made to pay for these things. No oil displaced.
Someday we will pay dearly for this wind power mistAKE.
moratorium
Town Manager points out another moratorium can be put in place. I think Mr. Puiia senses this is dangerous business.
1. our childrens' tax dollar funds the projects.
2. power goes out of state. (except ROXBURY?) BRIBERY
3. electircity rates will triple.
4. wildlife is forced to move over. where?
Comments made on Saddleback Wind application at the DEP have an underlining current of DEP criterias need clarification. The "Wind Law" is vague in addressing visuals, noise and tangible benefits.
see other exhibits #2, an assessment of noise by Rick James
Alan Stearns comments on visuals.
google "wind turbine debris scatter" ice chunks have been thrown over 1400 feet from tower , 167 blade failures and ice throwing problems. safety set back where?
yale
something about energy credits...when does the madness get revealed?
UMO has a few bright students and teachers knowing this wind energy is wrong for the world. I thought Yale had some of the brightest students on earth. Where are they?
california laws
Oakland rehires half of the laid off town employess to grow marijuana in a big factory.
Economic growth in marijauna from Maine.
money talks
someone told selectmen that safety is in the falling of the towers.
While flying ice and blade parts scatter over 1500 feet.
Someone leads the selectmen to believe there is salvage value in the towers themselves.
China makes these carbon composite towers because most countries have environmental laws that control toxic by-products. USA cannot re-melt.
Reed and Reed claim ownership of the largest crane in Maine. How much does that cost? (deduct from salvage)
Every project stopped gives a chance for unspent stimulis money to go back into coffer.
I see education has aluded people. What to believe.
People must sense these blade turbines are bad.
There is another way to spend our dollars.
Wind energy money will be there in a year. Take your time.
Many parts of the huge application will be addressed to the DEP on March 10 at Dixfield high School; dinner hour 4-6 hosted by RVAAW (River Valley Alliance Against Wind)
Homemade and homegrown food.
Many a conversation going on. Listen to your neighbors, see the maps. Add education.
survey
1. effectively ban because 45dcb at night in a rural area will be heard.
2. stricter than state regs... 45 dcb at night in a rural area will be heard.
3. existing state regulations do not address a multitude of visual questions.
There are red strobing lights. There is road flicker. 45 dcb at night in a rural area will be heard. Decommisssioning. Wild life studies. on and on
What benefits "do you feel" is not qualitative nor quantifying.
What drawbacks? are quantifying. If you think you will see them. feel them hear them.
Know for a fact rates have gone up in other areas. Know the fragmentation of wildlife by huge, road cut expanses.
Peru residents, come to Dixfield March 10 6-8 pm. Tell DEP the citizens of the valley should have been warned.
Who will see Spruce Mountain from their beautiful homes in West Peru? How long before you see turbines everywhere?
Is that what you want?
dis agrees
so far, most commentors are pleading for the DEP to count the citizens voices.
We are trying every way possible.
Letters to the editors.
Legislation.
comments.
Petitions signed by hundreds.
The DEP meet, March 10 in Dixfiled, we hope to give signed testimonies. What?
Media needs to do a story with anti-wind leaders, Dan McKay and Cathy Mattson.
Ask Rumfords' selectmen how much they learn when these people ask questions of the DEP.
There are others in the River Valley Alliance Against Wind that can answer questions; they have studied it for years now.
dis agrees leave a comment I am open-minded.
Now John Q. Taxpayer is stuck
Now John Q. Taxpayer is stuck working longer hours to repay K&G's bank loan. John Q. will also see a significant increase on his electricity bill and his local taxes will probably go up to pay for the removal of the rusting eyesores that now desecrate the mountains.
Local taxes go up as a result of 40% devaluation 2 miles around turbines and trying to work within TIF authorities.
The senery will never be the same. Even if I do not own the mountain tops I do love to look at them.
100 people
any one who is a receptor of these huge (450'+) tall turbines, whether driving to work or watching a night sky should come to this public meeting.
This does not stop in Carthage. Roxbury, Rumford, Dixfield, Canton then Peru soon.
We all chose to eek out a living here in Maine, mainly because of its beauty.
We love our woods, we loved our freedom until lately.
Rocky mountain Terrain Park, Patrick Gorham, cabin owners on siven mile stream will hear these machines. Rollins Ridge on Severy Hill will hear them. common Road in Dixfiled will hear them. Waites, Noyes and others on Canton Mountain will hear them.
Wind is not the answer. Read between lines of the media.
Mainers have a chance of living without fossil fuels. Wood heat; on site solar.
Our tax dollars are paying for this wind experiment and the power goes out of state.
You grid users will pay for it in rate hikes.
I am sorry our selectmen did not warn us of this attack. We are scrambling hard to learn and catch up. RVAAW
too much too learn
If you read Saddleback Wind application comments you see under visual studies that agencies need clarification of visual impacts from the attorney general. You read in the comments that noise studies need standardizing.
Okay Rumford area; bring up road flicker, red, strobing lights, debris scatter, decommissioning.
Noise will be a whole session.
Too much to learn. I never thought of erosion control and whose responsibility it is.
Wild life is studied wrong but as a layman, I haven't the qualifications to prove it.
DEP is holding a public meeting at Dixfield High School, Thursday March 10 6-8 pm.
A lot will be learned at this meeting.
again the wind power
slowly the media is exposing the wind industries scam.
Notice Wind Industry talks about jobs now, rather than "green" or "fossil fuels".
Scientists have proven Wind energy is a low density energy and will not provide enough power for the world.
If you do not allow wind to destroy your mountain tops then you can develop slowly into the "Vacation Land" and tourism industry. Or sustainable wood.
We are the Alaska of New England and need to preserve the wildrness.
If all that stimulis dollar was used to expand Black Mountain of Maine; there would be jobs.
Bethel area is counting their wildlife now. I bet they count 100 times more creatures than Wind Industry studies.
Farrington genius
Zach, are you from the area? Maybe Andover area? Are you related to the Farringtons that are ingenius and experiment in their barns how to make machines more efficient? Modify machines to help you out? I remember meeting some Farringtons and admired their mechanical abilities.
Yes, innovations. Heat pumps are made in maine. Insulation helps. I use solar panels for our electricity. We have a small 400 watt wind generator.
It does help when no sun. But, from day one, the noise has bothered me.
costa rica
I talked to a lady last night. She said she went to Costa Rica and saw valleys full of wind turbines. No one was sick. The noise was bearable.
I looked up Costa Rica and they are mostly hydro and geo-thermal powered.
3% of Costa Ricas power generation is wind.
I do not know how many valleys will be needed for Costa Rica to depend on wind.
I bet Costa Rica does not have enough land for this low density energy.
Low density means it requires more space to create the energy.
My point is. Western Maine has only so many mountain tops. It will require over 2000 turbines and how many miles of transmission lines? to make a difference in (NOT MAINES) power bills.
Hydro power energy is denser because water is denser than air. Requires less space.
$36 million or $8 million?
nameplate capacity = 19.25 MW
nameplate is 100% of generators capacity
Wind turbines in Maine are generating under 18% (UMPI, Stetson)
Under 4 MW??? help me out here.
average US home = 10,000 kwh yearly
400 homes powered by this project
400 homes times $20,000 on-site solar generation is $8 million dollars.
No transmission line loss, minimum carbon foot print. Lasts 20-30-40 years and counting.
So go our US tax dollar into the big grid of power.
Mainers can get off fossil fuels at home. Wood fired and solar powered.
can the dam generate?
can the dam supply nursing home power?
TIFs create devaluation,
Borrow against taxes you would receive later in life.
Devalue a 2 mile limit around the high valued Tax Increment Financer.
Value of land on mountain top goes up; value of land around it goes down.
In 15 years when the turbines are valueless where are your tax dollars?
What is the value of these turbines?
Patriot Renewables tells Carthage $66 million for 12 turbines. 180% of the tax base.
Last night I saw a sheet of paper saying 10-12 turbines in Dixfield are worth $30 million.
Why?
Ask the question of how turbines are taxed?
Is it on capital investment or price of electricity sold?
What happens when they loose a rotor? Do they ask town for abatement?
If sale of electricity is base; then what happens when noise level complaints cause turbines shut down at night? No sale.
No tax.
Some how this is leading up to fast installments, collect stimulis, you are your own towns.
Income Tax dollar finaces town tax dollar.
sorry
peru,
thanks for the informational meeting.
150% of turbine heighth is minimal...
google; wind turbine debris scatter. documented proof of 87 cases of debris scatter in the 1300-1400 foot range.
This means eventually insurance companies will require shut down of 1500+ feet surrounding these towers. Where are your snow machine trails? Who will be able to climb a mountaintop any more?
if I could turn back time.
Do not let Carthage succumb to false promises. Come to the DEP last public meeting in Carthage in March. Watch for date. If you like living in Maine because of its beauty and wilderness. "Quality of Place" Call DEP, tell them to change noise laws eual to WHO.(World Health Organization, 40 dcb))
Tell DEP you do not want to see red, strobing lights on Spruce Mountain.
Tell them responsible development creates a stronger tax base than turbines.
105 x height of tower and blade
typo maybe? DEP is 150%
Vinal Haven, Mars Hill, Freedom, worldwide; over 45dcb 0ver a mile a way.
WHO (World Health Organization) states 40 dcb as threshold of annoyance.
dcb is logorythmic and 5 dcb is doubling + the noise level.
"Quality of Place"
visual impacts of red, strobing light at night have not been addressed in DEP permit applications.
40% devaluation of land with-in 2 miles of turbines is not figured in tangible benefits.
money talks
money talks
wind industry fighting poor folk,
talk to property owners
before the wind company. make sure you include everyone with-in a mile.
Do not forget property with-in 2 miles will be devalued. In 15 years, turbines value is gone.
TIFs create devaluation,
borrow against taxes you would receive later in life.
devalue a 2 mile limit around the high valued tax increment financer.
value of land on mountain top goes up; value of land around it goes down.
In 15 years when the turbines are valueless where are your tax dollars?
hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil
pull out a map of Maine and start circling 2 miles around every project proposed.
News, list these projects in one article so the reader knows the great impact to the earth.
Earth will never be the same. I am sorry.
do a good job and thank you volunteers
before the wind industry wants the wildlife habitat.
do a good job
before the wind industry wants the wildlife habitat.
jobs
temporary jobs in wind are funded by your tax dollar. (working welfare?)
wind energy is killing the earth; from the blades and magnets (china is taking over manufacturing of turbines because other countries passed environmental laws)
to clearcutiing, gouging wet lands, killing birds and bats and the air we breathe.
Look at the birds eye view of the wind turbulence. Army radar confuses them with tornadoes.
What particulates are passing around?
Maine is vacation land and I guess us Mainers need to serve out of staters.
Most out of staters come once a year and want rustic wilderness living as opposed to industrial sprawl.
Temple, these turbines are taller than most of our mountain tops.
Is that what you want? Is that what Mainers want to see? Everywhere.
bahamas
I live off the grid , heat with wood, generate electricity witth solar panels. I do use deisel to fuel my tractor to snow blow our mile long road. I do not ask the town for help. Mr King, We are mainers and we will live here 12 months of the year. down size.
friends of saddleback
see facebook friends of saddleback. we are trying to dig into these huge applications being accepted..in the name of money and saving the earth.
What are the studies after the turbines are up?
They plan on planting dead, possibly deseased, carcasses periodly to see if the study group finds them.
They want citizens to record noise problems and tell DEP. After it is too late? The study will go on for years. If noise problems still exist, they turn off turbine, So much for saving the earth.
And when they turn off turbines, they ask for tax rebates. On and on, let us have some public debates with proof on the wall.
one project at a time
we cannot stop educating citizens of the scam destroying earth. see facebook friends of saddleback... we are attempting to bring clarity to the huge application Patriot
Renewables has at Carthage town office.
if and when
Dear reader,
Wind energy is killing the earth.
Wind turbines devalue land.
Wind jobs created by your tax dollar.
Let wesern Maine Mountains grow as tourism (ski industry, casino) wilderness (Maine Guides) vacation homes.
Maine will go up in value for vacation green homes.
Let us show them how to do it. Wood fired cottages (not 3 story buildings) with on site electrical generation (2+k solar)..some plumbing and then enjoy Maine. for 30-40-50 years.
Pay the view tax.
Wind Turbines stops growth.
verified
I guess good points were made. SJ might have to pull towns off the list.
I comment beause I feel the media is not covering both sides of stories.
1.) voter 2.) tax payer 3.) receptor 4.) rate payer
changes of charter need votes. Most of the landowners in Maine reside out of state. Cannot vote.
Ah, landowners are taxpayers and cummulitively their voices can be heard? Written down. Start an association.
Receptors. I do not know webster's definition but any one affected by noise, vibrations, visuals of a neighbor is a receptor.
Receptors count with state agencies.
Each letter from each receptor can be counted as a vote. Enough votes (complaints) (note! only receptors can write)
Pay for registered letter of a receptor vote. Fires and all happen to collected letters.
Okay, rate payer......along as you need delivered services; you pay.
Write to LURC , DEP; state where you are a receptor. public park, seasonal home, private home. tell them why your view, silence or feelings will be affected by neighbors actions.
Help the administration know what gets impacted by others actions.
feel it
feel the vibrations of 30 foot bolts into the earth. hug the turbine
LURC DEP
LURC and DEP want public input. Problem is; people feel in adequate around all this industry language . The public can call or e-mail these agencies with just a complaint about the visuals of turbines from Mount Blue State Park,.or their own back yard. State where you live and recreate and how the problems are personal. A big problem in the river valley is the media has not made the public aware of the multiple projects projected. Record Hill, Black Mountain, twin peaks, Saddleback ridge, Colonel Holman, Canton mountain, Spruce Mountain. Everywhere you drive in the river valley; you will see, hear and feel these generators.
safety set backs
Stated; selectmen agree on safety setbacks at 150% of turbine blade height. about 630 feet from turbine.
Several audience members offered to bring proof that wind turbine scatter debris is in the 1300 - 1400 feet from turbine. A google search will enlighten people on the reality of what area an insurance company will make these developers close off to the public.
The meetings in Rumford are bringing to light some of the in-adequacies of DEP's version of wind industry impact standards.
DEP does not mention road flicker issues.
DEP does not address RED STROBING LIGHT at night.
DEP's Andy Fisk said DEP used World wide standards as their basis on most of the safety requirements.
Any one reading about wind industry knows it is failing, World Wide.
Wake-up America.
ordinance
a set back from stationary industrial noise exceding World Health Organization standard (40 dbc rural setting)
jobs?
I hear of people setting up green houses and gainfully employed by this allowance of an old drug.
I read maybe 500 jobs?
noise
three projects (vinal haven, mars hill, freedom) prove sound studys are wrong.
Developer should pay for more study before applications are accepted.
Any people living within 2 miles of these slated projects should contact DEP.
Proof is worldwide that residents are affected beyond DEP's 2000 foot set-back.
Thank You Dr. Aniel for your work above and beyond your practice to keep river vally residents healthy.
red tape
I bet the red tape is made in China.
vacation land
mountain top homes in Sunday River and Rangeley Lakes are still selling as vacation homes.
These homes need care takers.
Carthage Maine doubled in the last 7 years. It can double again.
Wind Turbines are killing any chance for growth in Maine.
Make sure you do not live with-in 2 miles of a ridge with turbines.
If you have Lake front property, sound travels faster across water.
Call DEp LURC ask them where the projects are sited. Are you a receptor?
plum creek
i saw a video where LURC received like 1700 letters explaining why the writers were against Plum Creek. LURC received 6 letters for Plum Creek. Let the people speak.
Hopefully people write to LURC how they really feel about Wind Turbines ruining pristine Maine.
People, e-mail LURC, does not matter when, just tell them. LURC wants to know.
receptors
Mr. Buccina may have an ego, but this is not the problem. Mr. Buccina knows more about the wind industry than others want to know.
Either way, any citizens within 2 miles from proposed ridges must be notified.
Carthage selectmen neglected to contact receptors of Saddle back Ridge. Now these 50-60 people are getting madder and madder.
They are realizing that the property they invested in is not resellable.
From day one, Carthage 1st selectman has told the citizens "It is a done deal" "private property rules".
Public meetings are turning one sided. Wind proponets are scared someone may expose their faults.
It is not the citizens fault, the media has helped flaunt wind industry as our way out of a failing economy. Mountains in Maine are selling as developments. Sunday River area, Rangeley, ect.
Please our mountains and rivers are worth more as vacation homes and steady growth. (Carthage doubled in value in 7 years) The wind industry will kill this growth.
in my back yard
everywhere you go in Maine you will see these things.
Yes, us back woods people are in love with the wild ness of maine.
We pay dearly for our remotness. We plow our own roads, we haul firewood. We put up with little electricity use on no sun days. We know nature in our back yards.
I believe Wind companies are not telling citizens and government officials the whole picture.
Last poll I voted in at Bangor Daily News. Anti-wind had over 1000 votes and pro-wind about 300. Where are these results?
long term costs and education
costs are hidden everywhere.
Look at UMPI and there experimental turbine.
somedays a -.06 electricity figure.
A parrasitic loss is inherent in wind turbines as when no wind, they suck from the grid.
Wind companies explain a little of the "parrasitic" loss but not all.
How much electricity required for de-icing the blades?
Wind companies give you a 35% capacity and then tell you they power up so many homes.
Sounds good for the laymen, but we know UMPI (11%) and Stetson (17%) are well below 35% capacity and CMP must furnish the electricty to keep these things warm and ready.
Lawmakers make the wind companies tell he citizens all.
need educating
Yes Dixfield needs educating. i wonder if every land owner within 2 miles of this project has been notified? I know for a fact that 24 of 38 recptors within 3000 feet of Saddleback Wind project in Carthage were not notified. And by the way these 24 receptors were not happy.
TIF does not work with RSU school districts. When host town saves other towns kick in more share of school budget.
wind turbines
please change law on renewables portfolio requirements'
too much power
Brookfield Power which operates the hydro project. We also have a gas powered generating plant in town that went through bankruptcy shortly after construction which understandably depreciated the plant and effects the taxes .
ok we need another power source in rumford. oh yeah the mill makes power
oh my
will they turn from the turbines?
recreational trails
wind turbines have a debris scatter of 1500' reported worldwide. Insurance companies will mandate 1500' closure of property around turbines.
There goes our ridgelines; physically and visually.
no education
“Where is the promised education?”
The “advisory” committee did not fulfill its mission to “educate on the advantages and disadvantages of wind power.”
The press does not publish what is known. Give the people the simulated photos.
Show the power capacity of Presque Ilses' Wind Turbine. 11%
Investigate how much power is required when zero wind (89%). (I heard 20 kw @ turbine.)
new advisory committee of Rumford, please educate us. we want to know.
i am a citizen of Maine
Novey said a 5 decibel safety buffer
town was pressured in allowing a 45 decibel limit.
This is not a safety buffer. Noise will exceed 40 decibels. 5 or 6 turbines will be shut down at night for noise cautions. Many will hear them, feel them, more will see them.
quiet rural nightime is 20 dBa
quiet rural area is 40dBa
normal conversation is 45 tp 60 dBa
all from the State Planning Office Tech Bul #4 May 2000
The WHO stated that the recommended noise level outside the dwelling should be no greater than 40dBa so that the inside will be at 30dBa
45 decibels
a person talking at 2 miles away is the sound structure. The decibels off the nacelle is well over 100.
a red light every three turbines with blades turning cause trails of light in the night.
it is not over.
mountain views
Ask Bethel, Newry how much their tax base grew in 10 years?
They are running out of mountain views. The development will come our way.
A Casino in Oxford County does mean influx of people.
Better than that; most of these developments are vacation homes.
Associations plow their roads. They have private septic and wells.
Towns gain tax base without town service increase.
Save our mountains.
Thinking maybe rich out of staters want a totally green home, self sustainable and care taken by locals.
voting rights, right to know
Voters have right to know the wind projects are not about power but money.
2 new projects in Maine (Spruce and Saddleback) will turn down or off 1/2 the turbines because of noise cautions.
An industry with a 20% capacity onset now drops in half.
It is not about green. Making a huge wind turbine leaves more of a carbon foot print than can be redeemed.
As suggested; loss in development versus destruction of our views has not been evaluated.
tax dollars
what dollars? where? our (childrens) tax dollars pay for destruction of our mountains.
dam dam
the dam , look into hydro for the town, even if only high water.
Wind is about money. Turbines proposed in Woodstock and Carthage will be turned off half the time for sound pre cautions. A low 25% capacity will turn into a low 12%. Did that dam ever make electricity?
Imagine offering a business free electricity if they built in your town?
it is about money
I voted for Casino because of money. Jobs, jobs, jobs.
Jobs in wind power lasts as long as government money is there.
Turbine projects in Maine propose turning off turbines at night because they will exceed noise thresholds (above 45 decibels).
So, with 25% capacity now shut down to 12% capacity I can not see how power is the wind developers main concern.
Help me here. I do not know it all. Thank You
cost
cost equals your childrens tax dollars in the form of stimulis.
Thank You Eileen for stating $ as a cost instead of an investment from the developer.
money
all for money, forget the earth
45decibal
World Health Organization rural areas = 40 decibels at night
DEP technical bulletins list rural areas = 40 decibels at night
SO ANDY NOVEY 45 decibels is not conservative.
wind
it is all for money. how can this happen to the earth?
growth council
wind is not the answer
wind
there is a met tower on your mountain
laws
yes the Wind law expedited by our state government. It is going to be hard to fix this one.
cement facts
Concrete is largely impervious to to damage and rust and is one of sturdiest building materials in the world — but it is responsible for a large amount of emissions in the construction industry.
Is wind power really a clean, effective means of reducing global warming? While wind turbines are non-polluting once they are up and running, the manufacture, transport and construction of a wind turbine produces thousands of tons of carbon-based emissions. Every step — from mining the ore to making the steel, moving parts by ship or overland, constructing access roads, and operating giant cranes and excavators — creates emissions. Building the access roads alone produces nearly ten thousand tons of emissions.
The problem of mercury pollution associated with wind projects is rarely mentioned, yet significant. Cement manufacturing releases large amounts of mercury from the limestone used as raw material. Figuring that North Country wind projects require about 180,000 lbs. (90 tons) of cement per turbine base, and figuring that 0.09 – 2 lbs of mercuy are released per ton of cement (according to EPA measurements), this means 5 – 10 lbs of mercury are indirectly released into the environment for every turbine built. For a 100 turbine windplant, 500 – 1000 lbs of mercury pollution is worth noting. (Environmental analysts note that cement production is one of the biggest sources of mercury pollution.)
be sure and see the film of Kibby project. these towers are huge.
vibrations
the base of these towers have 30 - 40 foot rods drilled or filled into the earth.
a vibration can be felt but not measured?
2.75 MW tower stands about 450 feet.
A full grown tree is 80-90 feet.
These towers are massive and can be seen 50 miles away.
Hope Freemonts fly over Kibby project gets publicized.
I hear the red lights are quite intrusive to our starry nights. What happened to the agreement on earth to limit night light?
20 decibels
but that is tha ambience of western Maine mountains most nights.
The wind as a spirit running through the trees; is a far cry from the mechanical sound of the turbine.
ice throw
how far away was the ice throw? how far away from turbine does this family live?
again, Carthage town government let this LLC (limited liability; 1 million in insurance coverage) in. I hope a petition from the voters lets the voters back in.
one vote was 43-48 jeezzz if i were town government, i would ask again.
on well, back to educating.
oil spill
do you know how much oil circulates in these turbines?
no wind farms
odd , my mind says any nature conservancy wont allow wind farms. Yet I think Mahoosuc conservancy gave an easement to a wind farm next door on Spruce Mountain.
Golden Eagles, as well as Bald live on Spruce Mountain.
rural Maine
Please look into the validity of the alternative energy wind mills create.
Manufaturing the wind mills cost more carbon foot print than the mill can mitigate in it's lifetime.
yes, agreed a noise ordinance should be in place across the board for any future businesses.
The paper mill has cleaned it self up through mandates of the federal government.(maybe they will work on noise levels)
Businesses can be green and still save our beautiful mountains.
Tourism and development create far more jobs in any town than huge turbines killing our environment.
If the same energy used in fighting growth of medicinal marijuana was spent promoting our farmers; an extra income could be had by any who worked the land.
Which, by the way, if you hike a little bit into our woods you can ask the animals how they feel.
ordinance
A mile set back from property lines is protecting property values as well as citizens health.
IF these big wind machines did actually make money or energy we would welcome this form of alternative energy.
Instead; Big Wind is on a fast track expediting towns approvals . They receive stimulus money as soon as these 480 foot monsters go up. The turbines do not have to be hooked to the grid.
I do not know what happened to Kathryn Skelton and her investigation into these scams.
I never see a photo simulation in the press.
Please read between the lines. Europe has cancelled stimulus funds for wind energy after ten years of investing in jobs and energy; then seeing neither is there to offset the tax payers investments.
We need to protect future generations of this malady and give them the earth's resources
intact.
I do not know what wind companies give land owners for price value, but surely development is spreading our way from Bethel and Rangeley.
If towns need money; invest in tourism; vistas, water, hiking, sking and yes maybe a casino.
king and Gardiner
What do all these credos of theirs mean? They live lifes in 4 walls and process numbers, dollar bills.
Do they have experience as a rural mainer?
Do they wake up to the sun and see these western mountain views?
We, the workers, provide the money via future taxes.
These wind companies are investing nothing in your community, you are.
They are LLC s buying mountainstops, expediting roads and passage ways for energy.
20 years from now these companies own mansions on our mountaintops.
They view other mansions. They own our water, our air and our land.
Record for your children how the mountaintops instill awe. How we once saw wild animals.
Quoting a native american friend. THis is genocide to animals.
A nimby living off the grid.
1st wind
I heard first wind speak 3 times last month (in public)
commonsense
University of Maine students are teaching Mr. LePage the engineering, economics and alternatives to wind power. www.theirregular.com september 29 issue
http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/pstrongfont-size4from-the
mars hill
We drove to Mars Hill last week and 50 miles away the big pin cushion was visible.
Main street had a few shops open but many were boarded up and closed for business.
Friends in the area said the animals have left there homes on the hill and moved down river. Certainly the tall towers, visible for miles, are not conducive to that wild Maine feeling.
The power from these 28 mills goes to Canada. Does Maine get the Kudos as energy credit in the big race for wind as our alternative energy?
Alternative, green energy, renewables, I guess, are all around us. Our choice is how labor intensive do we want it.
I feel like a third worlder up here, on the mountain, moving fire wood almost every day.
I am hoping an idea for solar or wind power transferring energy directly to an element,( by passing the batterries), will help heat my home in winters to come.
A choice was made 10 years ago when we decided mountain living was what we wanted.
We bought solar panels, a small windmill and some batteries and pugged in. It took a few months of adjusting to shutting down any electrical apparatus not in use. We charged batteries with a generator alot the first years. Now, after buying additional solar panels each year, four remote homes function with necessities like internet, tv, lights and fans. (even air conditioning on hot, sunny days at peak heat)
The ridge we live on does not have electricity delivered. In fact, nothing is delivered. We plow our own road and haul in gas. Despite no niceties, 10 cabins have been built and more planned. The development of this ridge is geared off the grid.
People of Garland Pond live off the grid. As technology advances the quieter the pond is.
Generators are replaced with solar panels. It takes time but there are alternative energies all around us; one solar panel at a time eventually makes an array.
I wish the governor could count all these individual solar panels as part of his goal in alternative energy.
freemont tibbetts
Freemont Tibbetts is fighting a war without guns. He is in his eighties and probably wont see these huge wind towers he talks about. He is a man who had to work the land or the consquences were; your family went without. He has seen an industrial nation gone wild and then tamed again with cleaner rivers. Clear cutting stopped. Water supply in demand. He is fighting for the future.
I am sure camping, farming and sustainable forestry and even a water tower are not industrial turbines. I guess the zoning should have looked more at water and air protection laws; as this is what they mean in stopping these huge industrial wind turbines from blasting our mountain tops.
growth council
A picture paints a thousand words.
A good part of the growth council dvd was scanning the river valleys majestic mountain ridges.
And then a definite speech from Rob Gardiner of 1st Wind.
The fact the growth council promotes the river valley with this 11 minute movie is taking a stand for pro-wind.
Simulate the wind turbines on those same ridges in your movie and then attract sustaining businesses.
transmission line for wind
it is not about upgrades. Record Hill is almost under construction for wind turbines, but not yet...company ran out of money. Unless they get yet another loan from our government, they can not go forward. Maybe PUC is sealing the future for no transmissionn line in Roxbury by making Wind company pay up front.
Karen, keep writing. we are reading.
law suits
if citizen's are not protected now, very expensive for town later.
life of turbine
20 years is an old turbine? I hear, in Maine, turbines might last 10 or 15 years. either way, way too long
protecting citizens
the sad part is; if you do not protect the citizens now; lawsuits come later.
sea life
how are sea life protected? seems simple enough
wind echoes
what knid of action can selectmen take?
short term dollar
and that quick buck goes away when the receptors of the turbines bring lawsuits against the town
power
tourism is still a business with many jobs from high level management to service.(turnpike traffic has doubled in 4 years)
farmers could make a living if the medical marijauna law was honored.(count the patients)
sustainable foresty is what everyone needs and wants
development of homes on mountain sides is on the rise. (bethel, newry, rangeley)
I have loved off the grid for 10 years and continuing to teach neighbors.
Industrial Wind mills do not work. The Germany Experience.
I feel for the innocent animals
wind echoes
a wind mill cannot make enough energy in it's lifetime to build itself. ow
wind mills are built overseas (no jobs for us)
destroy earth to save the earth??????
have you ever echoed on the mountains of Maine?
echoes of thumping wind turbines.
keep energy generation on site; minimal transmission lines, pipes,visual, interference
federal government
there is a problem with Federal Government and Big Wind links.
they are caught in huge tax payer subsidies and need to twist the truth .
Us nimbys searched for the truth, found it and then are censored by the newspapers in displaying the photos and imformation we have.
google The Germany Experience.
keep researching
both will go up. at
both will go up. at extremes, law suits against towns because wind company bank rupt
get rid of them
get rid of them yes these are leaving the state of maine
voters; do not let them destroy the earth to save the earth
220 million
220 million of our tax dollar spent on turbines made overseas ow
no jobs for us yet
destroy the earth to save the earth go figure
NIMBY
I am a nimby with a small wind turbine in my front yard and 400 watts of solar panels. Total cost = $3000 I live off the grid for ten years. No generator.
ummmm clair, gee
$3 million a turbine x 1000 turbines = 3,000,000,000 how much is that?
now divide by $ 10,000 an (on site home solar set-up) and how many get off the grid?
Please take the same stimulis $ for these huge, inefficient ,mass animal lair destroying turbines, and give to the average home owner/ tax payer. many jobs in the administration of this package.
anti IW
Karen,
why are we being censored? Why is the only education through the back door as comment sections?
Please keep writing, it is one of our tools.
I am educating door to door this month with a petition for wind ordinance in hand. I am an IMFY and i have lived off the grid for 10 years.
Allice Barnett, south carthage Maine
mitigation
transcanada bought this mountain when they put up mitigaion money.
senator collins is proud of the fact she traded this mountain for a mountain in Newry .
bethel area depends on pristene mountain tops from the Sunday River Ski perspective.
mitigation? kill wetlands in Kibby save a wet land somewhere
earth first people; how do i meet you?
wind oil
70% fossil fuel consumed in transportation. Does a wind mill help?
boats
why not have a small wind turbine attached to your car so it is charging batteries while you are moving?
use the extra battery storage later
thank you question everything
langoliers are coming. everyday people are being enlightened of the stimulis scam
at a price tag of $2 million a turbine times 1000 turbines proposed in Maine
$2 billion dollars of US taxes go directly overseas; spain, germany, china; where the turbines are made.
all spare parts are required from point of origin (overseas)
what got stimulated?
i am a IMFY
a paragraph from an essay by Karen Pease
The common sense side of me asks questions. Why not invest that same money in individual or neighborhood-based (or solar panels) wind mills? Windmills which are small and have little, if any, impact on our environment or on the quality of life for the animals and citizens in its vicinity? With American ingenuity, we could certainly build the facilities to manufacture these in large numbers, and we have a sizable segment of our population anxious to find good jobs.
These individual power plants could result in thousands of homes being removed from the grid.
Citizens’ electric bills would be lower or even non-existent, and if more power was produced than the homeowners used, it could be sold back to the public utility companies. For example (and I’ll try to use conservative numbers): If one home-sized model cost $20,000.00, then 10,000 individual windmills could be established state-wide for the same amount of money as the Highland industrial wind project will incur. Think of the jobs created; from manufacturing, to set-up, to electrical and maintenance! Think of the money saved on power bills! When you think of home-sized windmills, the power does seem free, and much, much ‘greener’.
Not a NIMBY an IMFY
In my front yard is a windmill; south facing are solar panels,
In my neighbors front yard is a windmill, also south facing, are solar panels.
Neither hears or sees the others.
Their is one town service we utilize.
We drive 2 1/2 miles to haul buckets of town supplied, salted sand.
We hand sand our road.
We live one mile off US highway, on a dirt road, maintained by the land owners.
Fire wood is gathered all year long.
We live off the grid.*
No delivered services.
The federal government subsidizes anyone who sets up alternative energy. ( a 30% tax break)
each individuals move off fossil fuels is a greater green.