Thank you to these speakers. It must have been incredibly hard for Mr Lowe and Mrs Cushman to relive these tragedies, but I have heard that they have had a big impact on the students.
This trial should be shown/discussed in every high school in the state. These are the consequences of making incredibly poor choices. Yet another tragedy.
Let me see if I've got this straight...1st 500 KW hours free and the tax rate drops by more than 50% and you pro-oil/coal people are complaining? Wait, let me guess...not one of you is from the town of Roxbury?
...but you are convinced that you will hear the proposed turbine? Have you been to the Roxbury area yet? You might have a better idea of the sound possibilities if you check out these turbines. I have been within 2,000 ft, within 1,000 ft, within 500 ft, and have yet to hear a 'thumming'. You should do some research in person, sure beats watching a film of a New York site.
It is like me calling the Mill when it's making all that noise...Just not gonna happen. You live one mile from Rt 2 and you can hear the turbines in Roxbury? Can you give me an approximate location where I might be able to hear this thumming sound?
Did any of the hundreds of people on the pond this weekend for the 'Derby' hear anything from the turbines? I didn't. I went up again today (Monday) - the wind was howling and all the turbines were turning full bore...and all I heard was...the wind howling. I am very disappointed. I will keep trying and let you know when/if I hear something.
I have made several trips to the Pond in hopes of hearing the elusive call of the turbines and/or witnessing the great glitter first hand. I have yet to hear anything but the wind blowing. I have gone so far as to ask the people around me to please be quiet so that I may hear the turbines. Again, nada. I will try again this weekend in hope that between the ice augers and snowmobiles I will hear that terrible sound. It is my hope that the turbines are loud enough this summer to dull the incessant sound of the ATV's and jet skis on and around our peaceful pond.
Frank, give it a rest. Your reaction to everything this board does is getting old. You look for the negative in every possible scenario. This April 4th meeting has yet to take place and you are crying that the sky is falling already. Unlike you, these people were elected to make these decisions - let's support their efforts in trying to move forward.
One way to help solve local issues/problems would be for elected officials and town employees to be truthful and to give actual facts (not fuzzy opinions in place of facts). Mark Belanger's response to a replacement firefighter hiring is to imply that Rumford has not downsized the Fire Dept ("We keep rehiring and rehiring."). Fire Chief Bob Chase stated that his department is down 4 postitions from 3-4 years ago. Who is being truthful here? Either the town has 'rehired and rehired' and we have the same size Fire Dept. that we have always had, or we have downsized the RFD. Which is it? I do agree with Chief Chase's comment that there is a need to sit down and discuss level of service. That should be a yearly occurrence.
Minnesota survived Jesse Ventura just fine and I suspect that we will survive Lepage as well. Is he going to tell the Franco-American groups to kiss his butt, or the Italian-American groups, or any of the other special interest ethnic groups? I sure hope so. This is going to be a fun ride through the mud during this administration. By and large I do feel that the electorate gets what it deserves..and by electing this eloquent shmuck, we are getting what we deserve. These comments will do wonders for any national corporations looking to invest in Maine.
Lots of work to do in the coming year. I disagree with everything in your post, watchdog, with the exception of one sentence..."This board minus one member, Mr Belanger, is truly concerned about moving forward." I couldn't agree more with that one.
Please feel free to help yourself, commonsense. You commonly make false assumptions and accusations...why don't you get off your behind and research these questions yourself...and get back to all of us with some facts.
A big thanks to all the people and companies who volunteered time, labor and materials for this project. It is an extraordinary achievement for Roger Arsenault and BMOM/Chisholm Ski Club. For those Doom and Gloomers who are determined to put a negative spin on this collaborative effort of non-profit and for-profit groups...shame on you. Your shtick is getting tiresome and predictable. Come on out of your shells and enjoy the affordable offerings in the mtns of western Maine. A breath of fresh air and wholesome winter activity may improve your negative outlook on life!
It never was, and never will be. If you lived in this area you would realize that it is the paper mill that drives all economic activity. BMOM's winter and summer programs are a huge part of the recreational opportunities, however, and a bargain at that. Kudos to the SJ for reporting on this huge event and giving us some factual backgound on what it takes to pull this together. That is reality. The economic effect is well documented, and again, a bargain for what little we have invested in this gem. Thank you to all the forward-thinking leaders who have put in the effort to bring this positive news to our little corner of the world.
It sounds like these two clowns got their recipe from the Roger Ailes/Karl Rove cookbook. Maybe Lepage can find them a spot on the state payroll, like his daughter, for helping him get elected.
Let the crying resume with the Doom and Gloom crowd. This lawsuit was yet another attempt to circumvent the voters and Town Charter of Rumford. This is further proof that a current and former selectman need to read (and more importantly, understand) the Town Charter that they claim to know so much about. Similar to the time these two illegally hired the town attorney to dissolve the volunteers on the Charter commission. Pathetic.
It is you who have chosen to confuse the issues. You are against the non-profit BMOM (is GRCC also non-prof?)because they don't offer free skiing for all and say that you would hope that the town would take over the recreational opportunities on one hand and lower the astronomical costs for the unemployed...yet you are also against taxes going up because of the senior citizens/unemployed. Which are you advocating for? Are you proposing that the town offer what BMOM and GRCC offer for free (i.e. with tax dollars)? If you think that the GRCC or BMOM programs are only for the affluent, I would suggest that you go live in other areas to see what these programs cost in tax dollars and out of pocket costs. You complain about the library hours being cut - and I agree with you on this - but fail to see that it would take more tax dollars to increase the library hours of operation. Which is it?I don't think that your Doom and Gloom crowd would go for that. I feel that what we pay in tax dollars to BMOM/GRCC is a good deal. It helps to provide affordable (not free) recreational opportunities for a fraction of what it would cost the town to provide on their own. Your idea of the Rec dept. taking over these programs would add to the town payroll and increase taxes dramatically. I think this town/non-prof situation is a good deal for all citizens. I believe that Maine Winter Sports is an advocate for affordable winter activities - not free. Correct me if I am wrong. Then you throw in this absurd notion, a favorite of the Doom and Gloom crowd ... that cutting the education budget would really help the offerings for our students. I love that one! Easily knock 25% off our tax bill in your mind? Really. With your moniker, I assume you have some connection with a serviceman or woman. Your absurd education scenario is like someone saying we should cut 25% of our military budget so that we can 'help' our servicemen. Really! (With Dick Cheney's corrupt Halliburton company screwing the American people by overbilling and incompetence - we may help our servicemen by cutting out Halliburton) Our children have left this area for better opportunities long before the population decline. The mill employment numbers dictate that fact, not BMOM/GRCC etc. I find your concern for the unemployed folks commendable, but your solution to offer free recreational opportunities doesn't jibe with your desire to cut taxes. There is no 'Free Lunch' - somebody has to pay for it...and I think this town's collaborative effort with BMOM and GRCC is a frugal compromise. You, the other hand, appear to want it both ways...offer more - but not pay for it. Which is it?
Now, let me see if I understand what you are saying here...You aren't upset that the taxpayers of Rumford are paying $51,000 in support of Black Mtn, you are upset that skiing isn't free for everyone? Or every child in Rumford? And have the taxpayers pay how much for this? Let's use your hero Les(s) Otten's former business as an example of what you are proposing...Sunday River charges about $75/day to ski there. For $51,000 you could have 680 skier visits...or in other words, 100 kids could ski for 6.8 days, or 680 kids could ski for 1 day. And that doesn't include rentals (which Les didn't give away for free). That won't cover many of Rumford's youths will it. So how much do you propose the taxpayers should spend? Would you propose doubling the $51,000 amount? That would give 680 kids two days of skiing. Not much is it? How about giving 680 kids 10 days of skiing...that would be $510,000. I'm not sure what you are proposing to spend on this free recreation for all kids/all the time, but I don't think the taxpayers will jump at the gun to do this. And you either want to abolish the GRCC or at least have the taxpayers pay more so that all programs are free for all? I am not sure what the dollar amount will be with what you are proposing? Do you care to give some estimates? I'm not saying that BMOM and GRCC are perfect. However, they do a good job for what little funding they do receive. You do seem eager to paint the BMOM board as corrupt/incompetent. Care to share what you would do differently (and the costs associated with that)? I do know that BMOM/RSU 10 did offer free skiing - I believe it was once a week last year, with discounted rentals, and that this year there are free ski lessons for K-grade 2 I believe. I don't for a minute believe that parents can't afford for their children to participate in either the GRCC or BMOM. Both offer reasonable rates. It is a matter of priority for the parents. Even section 8 households can 'afford' cell phones, cable TV, cigarettes,liquor etc...If the parents want to make this happen for their children - they will. So you confuse me...are you proposing that the taxpayers of Rumford make all recreational opportunities free for all? And, more importantly, what are you proposing for a tax bill?
Good pts, Chuckster. If BMOM and the GRCC did not exist, then I am quite sure Rumford's leaders would create more opportunities and venues for our youth through the Parks and Rec dept. That would lead to higher taxes (probably similar to what the town's contribution to these two organizations is right now) and quite possibly more employees on the town payroll to run these venues ( I'm sure that you naysayers would love that!). What exactly would you folks like to see for activities for our youth is this area? Who would provide it for a profit? Would it then be affordable for the children/parents to pay to play? I hear plenty of whining and very few solutions from you folks...other than to stop contributing our tax dollars to these organizations. I know that your overriding concern is to keep more $$ in your own pockets...I do get it. Come up with some ideas and we can mull it over on this site. Armymom, you seem to think it is so simple to run BMOM your way? Why don't you buy it so we can see the profits that you pull in. You can hire watchdog, commonsense/candiceanne, and get some other people off the dole while you are at it. That would be a real treat.
I do get it armymom. I just don't agree with your point of view. I do believe that Libra/ME Winter Sports did invest quite a bit in our little mtn. I see a new lodge, new lift, new trails. I don't know if it will ever be self-sustaining financially, and I am OK with that. Small, community based ski areas such as Black, Titcomb, Spruce and others probably aren't, and will never be, money makers. I also understand that people, such as yourself, who probably don't use the facility or have children who don't use the facility are upset that a tiny portion of their tax dollars are used to sustain BMOM. But, I look at this mountain and this organization in a different way than you. I am OK with my tax dollars being used to help finance the Rumford Community Ctr, even though I have not visited the facility in years. It is a wise investment in our youth (as well as offering activities for adults). I am OK with my tax dollars being used to support the Parks and Recreation budget. Again I feel this is a wise investment for our youth and all citizens. I don't get upset when I walk along the trail along the Swift River and see the trail being used by my fellow citizens, many who are senior citizens. I don't get upset with the Parks dept for not charging them to use the trail or other facilities. It is a wise investment in our well being and recreational opportunities. These aren't money makers either. This is the way I look at Black Mtn. This is part of our heritage and I am thankful for all that these people have invested financially and volunteer-wise to our lives in this area. I am OK with my tax dollars going toward this enterprise...last year, this year and for many years to come. It is a wise investment.
Kudos to the area folks at Black Mtn. for hosting this large event. Let the whining commence. You are damned if you don't host events (by the people who seem so eager to ruin the opportunities in this town) and damned if you do (by the same bunch of naysayers - go figure). As with the Community Center and Rec Park and all not for profit organizations, thank you for providing a venue for our youth (and us older folks who gladly support your efforts with our tax dollars and recreational spending). Thank you for investing in our community and adding value to life in this area. Your efforts are supported by a majority in this town. Hats off to all of the volunteers who make this mountain a nationally recogniized gem.
Kevin hit the nail right on the head on this one. CommonSense/Candiceanne add little to the dialogue in this area outside of complaining and whining. If a hotel chain wants to invest in our area, by all means our local gov't should be pro-business and pro-active. I am sure no company will invest without doing the necessary market research. Let the market determine the outcome of this proposal.
Thank you Jeff for some real facts. I find it comical that candiceann/commonsense and DWilson claim that children will be better served if we would only close Dirigo and Buckfield schools and send those students to Mtn Valley. I believe that the districts were consolidated to reduce admin costs, not to induce our students to spend longer hours on the bus. Students in outlying areas would spend 1 hour or so each way on the bus to get to/from school and I am not sure how this amount of time spent on a schoolbus would improve their education. I don't feel that this would be a wise investment in our future. I'm not even sure it would keep more $$ in candiceann/commonsense and DWilsons pocket, which I feel is the ultimate goal of this proposal.
Just when you thought that this could not possibly get any weirder...here comes the relatives. 'Worldwide reputation'! Fatandhappy, you hit this one on the head. You just can't make up stuff like this.
Good post hurumble. If our school budgets weren't being pared down to readin' and writin' we could offer philosophy and world religion courses where the various 'Creation' beliefs could be presented. Let science classes stick to science. Fatandhappy, you can send your kids to your religion's schools to learn about your religious beliefs. Why should taxpayer's subsidize courses on your religious beliefs and not others? What are we to have... 'Christian' science, 'Hindu' science, 'Muslim' science, etc.? Preachers (and their preaching) belong in a church, not in a public school.
To quote melora, "Teens get into trouble or hang with the wrong crowd because they are not getting what they need from their family and parents." Thank you, that is exactly what I am saying. Therefore, educate teens and all young men and women about choices they have (yes, including abstinence). Your 'head in the sand' approach promotes unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Go read the statistics.
I think all candidates are against abortions as birth control...the question is, or should be, what will you do as governor to help prevent/reduce abortions. What is puzzling about the so-called Christians who are against choice is that they are also against any form of sex education/birth control - except for abstinence (and you can ask so-called Christians Sarah/Bristol Palin how that is working). These anti-education, anti-birth control, anti-choice people are indirectly responsible for unwanted pregnancies that lead to ..abortion. Go figure.
Again, the majority of voters have favored funding recreational opportunities at Black Mtn for our citizens and youth. As Judge Clifford requested, the town held a formal meeting, read the warrant, debated the Black Mtn issue, and the majority voted in favor of funding...hopefully he rules quickly, as the intent of the majority should be clear by now (even to the disgruntled minority). Maybe BMOM should counter-sue the elite who represent the minority in order to move this along.
You have made some very well thought out points, Cranky. Wind energy needs to be in the mix, along with hydro, solar, geothermal, oil/gas, etc. I would like the anti-wind experts to comment on the noise levels at the oil refineries and coal mines that they appear to be promoting (or where exactly does the energy they use come from - wood stoves?) How about the transportation costs of oil/gas/coal? Any environmental impacts there? How about the security risks of depending on Mideast oil or the cost of spending America's treasure in protecting the oil supply in countries run by friendly dictators(Saudi Arabia, etc.). The cost of human lives in sending our sons and daughters in the military to protect Big Oil's supply? I have also seen some of Europe's (eastern France) wind turbines..and have spoken to people who live near/among these 'industrial' windmills. I did not hear of nor see any of the doomsday scenarios that some of the these 'experts' seem to be convinced will be happening if some wind turbines go up around here. You would think that Mars Hill was a toxic waste(see BP and the Gulf of Mexico) dump the way that it is portrayed by these 'experts'. I would love for the panel to visit a strip-mined 'industrial' coal mine or oil refinery and come back and speak to us of how that coal mine or refinery would be preferable to wind turbines on the surrounding mtn tops. Wind power will not replace all carbon burning/producing plants. As buzzardbob says, wind power alone is not the answer, but it sure as hell beats some of the alternatives.
Libby Mitchell must be pinching herself...you can't make this stuff up! Lepage is making the Marden's Lady look like the brains of his operation. Looking forward to an exciting fall campaign!
We need to look closely at wind power - and balance the benefits and negative impact. I look forward to more information from all sides on the debate. I encourage all to read the letter in today's SJ from Richard Jennings,MD. It provides some balance in the claim that there is a negative impact on health. Wind power isn't the solution to all of our energy problems (nor does it claim to be)..but it needs to be a piece of the puzzle. I don't know what the answer is , and we all must educate ourselves, but I do know that I would much prefer a bunch of wind turbines on the local mtn. tops than coal mines or oil refineries. Good luck to the ordinance committee on finding the right balance.
...of this situation, gdls1, but that involves common sense...If the situation was reversed, say 637 citizens voted for $0, 430 voted for $10, and 657 voted for $100,000 then it would seem to be clear that the majority of voters wanted low/no funding for this project and I would have no problem with citizens seeking a revote (kinda like a recount, eh watchdog?) on this vote. What needs to be done beyond this issue is for the Town Manager/ Selectboard/ Town Attorney to revisit the wording of ballot questions. I applaud BMOM for bringing this process to a head.
In order to comply with full disclosure let it be said that I, also, did not buy a brick from the Stephens High School Alumni Association. What does that say about anyone's character? Why do you choose not to publish the names of the 99% of Rumford citizens who did not purchase bricks? Is this 'past action' of yours hearsay? One fact that you conveniently omit is that the Alumni Association is/was headed up by your father. Digging up this silly 'past action' reeks of sour grapes and a childish tantrum. Stick to the issues KNSaisi. The issue being discussed is whether the taxpayers of this community meant to fund BMOM or not...neither you nor I ( nor anyone else for that matter ) will come out smelling like roses if someone chooses to arbitrarily pick out 'past actions' and falsely assign a 'character trait' to it.
Sadly, KNSaisi, it has become your style to add personal attacks to your comments. Recent attacks on Jolene Lovejoy and now Roger Arsenault. Why don't you list your charitable donations? I don't think your involvement as the 'Town Crier' on this site qualifies you to criticize anyone's volunteer/charity work. Stick to the issues and leave the mudslinging to watchdog and his ilk.
It is time to change the process. Before the 'NO' crowd gloats over minority rule, I would point out that if we are not willing to invest in our town, why would we expect any outside entity (business or organization) to invest here. The sad part of this is that the majority of citizens in this town were willing to invest in this gem and were denied by a flaw in the system. Unless this process is changed, this will only be the first of annual 'unintended consequences' for us.
Upon re-reading your post I better understand your POV. But I don't agree with your opinion that the town attorney's legal opinion is wrong. As with yourself, I haven't always agreed with Town Attorney Carey's opinions, but in this instance I do. I believe that any article (initiated or otherwise) brought before the voters becomes, as you say, 'town business' or 'relating to town affairs'. This broadly worded term 'town business' certainly applies to any action by the voters that has been misrepresented by a poorly worded ballot question. I applaud BMOM for seeking a more fairly worded vote for two reasons...first, is that I support funding for this recreational facility that has been part of our heritage for several generations, and second, and most important to future ballot questions, I am glad that BMOM is bringing this to public attention so that Mr. Puiia, Mr. Carey and the selectboard can get together to come up with a solution to avoid this 'minority rule' situation. I do realize that the 'Point of Order' gang has been having a field day with the minutia of the Town Charter and Robert's Rules for some time now, and I don't want to ruin anyone's fun, but maybe it is time to add a little common sense to the rules and bylaws and focus on the intent of an action. Again, I ask you, do you feel comfortable that the intent of the voters was to provide no funding for BMOM?
What kind of democracy have we created, with the wording of the ballot questions, when a clear minority of citizens can undermine the intent of the majority of voters? Let me see if I can get this right, Kevin and Frank, 1067 citizens of our town voted to fund BMOM for either $51,000 or $56,700 and 657 citizens voted for no funding...and you two seem confused on the intent of the citizens of Rumford? The dangerous precedent, Kevin, is in how we are wording the ballot questions not in BMOM seeking redress. I am not sure why you would want selectmen to block 'such a meeting' of citizens to vote on the petition, when, as you clearly state, BMOM is following the Charter? The town would not be 'bending the laws' for BMOM, rather, we would be adhering to the laws. Do either of you honestly feel that the intent of the voters was to provide no funding for BMOM? Frank, your personal attacks on Roger Arsenault, who has a long history of working to promote this town in a positive way, are unwarranted. Perhaps that is one of the reasons the citizens of this town clearly voted you out of office in the recent election(..clear to everyone but you, as your recount proved). Let the process play itself out, and don't insult the voters of this town by denying a process that follows the Town Charter. The selectboard and town manager would do well to revisit the wording of future ballot questions in my opinion.
We have hosted/welcomed the Bushes for years...we can certainly welcome the Obamas and their beautiful daughters to our state. I hope they love their vacation and they return often.
Why don't you post on here where your 'land' is so the Malleys and everyone else in the State can come over and enjoy 'exploring' your property as they see fit. I doubt either of you own property or you wouldn't be calling the Malleys "pricks' for deciding what they want to do with their own land. So how about it boys? Post some info here...or do you want to 'ruin other people's fun'?
The citizens have overwhelmingly approved the direction of the current selectboard under Mr Adley. We can look forward to a respectful, responsible town government that has the best interests of the whole town at heart. I can't say that I will miss the drama! (Well, it did provide a few chuckles) What part of this vote didn't you understand? Frank, you spent some $$ to prove that, indeed, the machines and ballot clerks do their jobs well. You started the day 58 votes short and ended the day 59 votes short. Time to join us in wishing the selectboard well.
Rumford needs to revisit or develop standards for a recount. Watchdog, you needed 571 votes to win a seat but only received 513. The difference of what you needed vs. what you received is greater than 10%. That is a large difference and you need to either accept the will of the people in this town or pay for a recount out of your own pocket. Rumford needs to select a % amount of voting differential that would qualify for a recount...3% seems reasonable, 5%, not so much, 10% or more, no way in hell (unless you want to fund it yourself). Frank, you are asking the taxpayers to throw some hard earned money your way to pay for something frivolous. And you claim to be concerned with wasteful spending? Show some dignity and accept the will of the citizens.
Kudos to Ms Garcia on her well deserved achievement. This is a great honor. Good luck with your dreams - teachers do make a huge difference in everyone's life.
Not sure of all of the results of election day, but the selectmen's vote by the townspeople reflects the confidence this town has in the direction of the current board. DWilson, can you cite any credible sources for your claim that 'Rumford has the highest property tax rate in the State'? What are you basing your 'adjusted' and 'non adjusted' rate on ? I have lived in several communities in this state and Rumford's property taxes are considerably lower than many. I expect to see you working the polls next time (with all your helpful insight and all).
Poliquin asks a good question...Why does Les Otten think that running a once profitable company into bankruptcy qualifies him to be guvnah of our state? If Otten thinks that this is dirty politics then I don't believe that he is ready for the big show. He needs to toughen up...and answer the question.
...and staying in this area with your ilk will benefit the kids...how? You may be afraid of the world RedWhiteBlue, but thanks to people like Ms Beane and Co. our children will learn that it is a much more interesting place when you take your head out of the sand.
Take a deep breath. It isn't very comfortable having your integrity challenged (as you did to your fellow selectmen) is it? I applaud you for serving your town - I don't applaud you for the manner in which you do it. To add to what KSaisi stated, I agree that none of the selectmen or town leaders are bad people, but that does not necessarily make them good selectmen. I'll call you for that coffee - I'll even pay!
Edit...let me amend the offer to pay for your coffee...I'll buy if you can clear up one unresolved issue for me when we meet. I refer to the infamous episode of the recent past when you attempted to disband/discredit the Charter Commission. It has never been adequately explained to me how you, Mr Boivin, and Mr Belanger, acting as selectmen, met and hired the town attorney Carey without calling a meeting or informing your fellow selectmen at that time of your request to hire said attorney for the sum of approx.$2000. If you recall, there was a request at that time to have you three dismissed for illegally meeting without informing your fellow selectmen or the public. Is this one of your ideas to save this town money? I'll give you a couple of days to come up with an answer for me and if you can...I'll buy. And if you can't or refuse to answer for this...you can buy. Deal?
Frank's comments were certainly meant to be insulting to Carlo and the department heads. Frank has had plenty of time as a selectman to make a difference and his description of himself as a failure in that respect certainly should speak volumes to the voters of Rumford as his term expires. While I think that it is healthy to debate the cost and services provided by the local government, I don't feel many of Frank's actions or words have added anything constructive to the debate. This was little more than grandstanding on his part..and if he, indeed, represents a large segment of the population then this town has some serious problems. We citizens, by and large, get what we deserve, and if this is how we want our selectpeople to behave then by all means we have the power to make that choice...or not.
You wonder what Mr Diconzo would have suggested?? Why don't you tell us what you would suggest for cuts. Mr Belanger did not have any suggestions despite his contrary statements. The insinuation is that the Police and Fire departments are still too large even though they have made significant cuts in the past couple of years so... Frank, what would you suggest for further cuts?
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Thank you
Thank you to these speakers. It must have been incredibly hard for Mr Lowe and Mrs Cushman to relive these tragedies, but I have heard that they have had a big impact on the students.
Mandatory viewing
This trial should be shown/discussed in every high school in the state. These are the consequences of making incredibly poor choices. Yet another tragedy.
That is terrible
Let me see if I've got this straight...1st 500 KW hours free and the tax rate drops by more than 50% and you pro-oil/coal people are complaining? Wait, let me guess...not one of you is from the town of Roxbury?
So, you can't hear the existing turbines...
...but you are convinced that you will hear the proposed turbine? Have you been to the Roxbury area yet? You might have a better idea of the sound possibilities if you check out these turbines. I have been within 2,000 ft, within 1,000 ft, within 500 ft, and have yet to hear a 'thumming'. You should do some research in person, sure beats watching a film of a New York site.
I hear you Alice
It is like me calling the Mill when it's making all that noise...Just not gonna happen. You live one mile from Rt 2 and you can hear the turbines in Roxbury? Can you give me an approximate location where I might be able to hear this thumming sound?
The wind is a howlin'
Did any of the hundreds of people on the pond this weekend for the 'Derby' hear anything from the turbines? I didn't. I went up again today (Monday) - the wind was howling and all the turbines were turning full bore...and all I heard was...the wind howling. I am very disappointed. I will keep trying and let you know when/if I hear something.
In search of noise/glitter
I have made several trips to the Pond in hopes of hearing the elusive call of the turbines and/or witnessing the great glitter first hand. I have yet to hear anything but the wind blowing. I have gone so far as to ask the people around me to please be quiet so that I may hear the turbines. Again, nada. I will try again this weekend in hope that between the ice augers and snowmobiles I will hear that terrible sound. It is my hope that the turbines are loud enough this summer to dull the incessant sound of the ATV's and jet skis on and around our peaceful pond.
This sounds familiar.
(See Lepage,Paul)
Action/Reaction
Frank, give it a rest. Your reaction to everything this board does is getting old. You look for the negative in every possible scenario. This April 4th meeting has yet to take place and you are crying that the sky is falling already. Unlike you, these people were elected to make these decisions - let's support their efforts in trying to move forward.
Bravo
Bravo Kevin.
Less than truthful...
One way to help solve local issues/problems would be for elected officials and town employees to be truthful and to give actual facts (not fuzzy opinions in place of facts). Mark Belanger's response to a replacement firefighter hiring is to imply that Rumford has not downsized the Fire Dept ("We keep rehiring and rehiring."). Fire Chief Bob Chase stated that his department is down 4 postitions from 3-4 years ago. Who is being truthful here? Either the town has 'rehired and rehired' and we have the same size Fire Dept. that we have always had, or we have downsized the RFD. Which is it? I do agree with Chief Chase's comment that there is a need to sit down and discuss level of service. That should be a yearly occurrence.
Kissin' his fat butt
Minnesota survived Jesse Ventura just fine and I suspect that we will survive Lepage as well. Is he going to tell the Franco-American groups to kiss his butt, or the Italian-American groups, or any of the other special interest ethnic groups? I sure hope so. This is going to be a fun ride through the mud during this administration. By and large I do feel that the electorate gets what it deserves..and by electing this eloquent shmuck, we are getting what we deserve. These comments will do wonders for any national corporations looking to invest in Maine.
Good job Carlo and the board
Lots of work to do in the coming year. I disagree with everything in your post, watchdog, with the exception of one sentence..."This board minus one member, Mr Belanger, is truly concerned about moving forward." I couldn't agree more with that one.
Dude?
Dazed and confused.
Thank you gentlemen.
Congratulations to two of Rumford's finest! Thank you for what you do every single day.
Yes, you are right , Kevin.
BMOM does make an economic contribution, as the article implies. Good points on the hotel/motel/chain connection also. Who know what could happen?
You are guessing incorrectly (again).
Please feel free to help yourself, commonsense. You commonly make false assumptions and accusations...why don't you get off your behind and research these questions yourself...and get back to all of us with some facts.
Thank you to all the volunteers!
A big thanks to all the people and companies who volunteered time, labor and materials for this project. It is an extraordinary achievement for Roger Arsenault and BMOM/Chisholm Ski Club. For those Doom and Gloomers who are determined to put a negative spin on this collaborative effort of non-profit and for-profit groups...shame on you. Your shtick is getting tiresome and predictable. Come on out of your shells and enjoy the affordable offerings in the mtns of western Maine. A breath of fresh air and wholesome winter activity may improve your negative outlook on life!
BMOM is not the economic engine that drives the local economy.
It never was, and never will be. If you lived in this area you would realize that it is the paper mill that drives all economic activity. BMOM's winter and summer programs are a huge part of the recreational opportunities, however, and a bargain at that. Kudos to the SJ for reporting on this huge event and giving us some factual backgound on what it takes to pull this together. That is reality. The economic effect is well documented, and again, a bargain for what little we have invested in this gem. Thank you to all the forward-thinking leaders who have put in the effort to bring this positive news to our little corner of the world.
Ailes and Rove would be proud.
It sounds like these two clowns got their recipe from the Roger Ailes/Karl Rove cookbook. Maybe Lepage can find them a spot on the state payroll, like his daughter, for helping him get elected.
This lawsuit had no merit.
Let the crying resume with the Doom and Gloom crowd. This lawsuit was yet another attempt to circumvent the voters and Town Charter of Rumford. This is further proof that a current and former selectman need to read (and more importantly, understand) the Town Charter that they claim to know so much about. Similar to the time these two illegally hired the town attorney to dissolve the volunteers on the Charter commission. Pathetic.
Yet you choose to have it both ways?
It is you who have chosen to confuse the issues. You are against the non-profit BMOM (is GRCC also non-prof?)because they don't offer free skiing for all and say that you would hope that the town would take over the recreational opportunities on one hand and lower the astronomical costs for the unemployed...yet you are also against taxes going up because of the senior citizens/unemployed. Which are you advocating for? Are you proposing that the town offer what BMOM and GRCC offer for free (i.e. with tax dollars)? If you think that the GRCC or BMOM programs are only for the affluent, I would suggest that you go live in other areas to see what these programs cost in tax dollars and out of pocket costs. You complain about the library hours being cut - and I agree with you on this - but fail to see that it would take more tax dollars to increase the library hours of operation. Which is it?I don't think that your Doom and Gloom crowd would go for that. I feel that what we pay in tax dollars to BMOM/GRCC is a good deal. It helps to provide affordable (not free) recreational opportunities for a fraction of what it would cost the town to provide on their own. Your idea of the Rec dept. taking over these programs would add to the town payroll and increase taxes dramatically. I think this town/non-prof situation is a good deal for all citizens. I believe that Maine Winter Sports is an advocate for affordable winter activities - not free. Correct me if I am wrong. Then you throw in this absurd notion, a favorite of the Doom and Gloom crowd ... that cutting the education budget would really help the offerings for our students. I love that one! Easily knock 25% off our tax bill in your mind? Really. With your moniker, I assume you have some connection with a serviceman or woman. Your absurd education scenario is like someone saying we should cut 25% of our military budget so that we can 'help' our servicemen. Really! (With Dick Cheney's corrupt Halliburton company screwing the American people by overbilling and incompetence - we may help our servicemen by cutting out Halliburton) Our children have left this area for better opportunities long before the population decline. The mill employment numbers dictate that fact, not BMOM/GRCC etc. I find your concern for the unemployed folks commendable, but your solution to offer free recreational opportunities doesn't jibe with your desire to cut taxes. There is no 'Free Lunch' - somebody has to pay for it...and I think this town's collaborative effort with BMOM and GRCC is a frugal compromise. You, the other hand, appear to want it both ways...offer more - but not pay for it. Which is it?
One of us is confused..or possibly both.
Now, let me see if I understand what you are saying here...You aren't upset that the taxpayers of Rumford are paying $51,000 in support of Black Mtn, you are upset that skiing isn't free for everyone? Or every child in Rumford? And have the taxpayers pay how much for this? Let's use your hero Les(s) Otten's former business as an example of what you are proposing...Sunday River charges about $75/day to ski there. For $51,000 you could have 680 skier visits...or in other words, 100 kids could ski for 6.8 days, or 680 kids could ski for 1 day. And that doesn't include rentals (which Les didn't give away for free). That won't cover many of Rumford's youths will it. So how much do you propose the taxpayers should spend? Would you propose doubling the $51,000 amount? That would give 680 kids two days of skiing. Not much is it? How about giving 680 kids 10 days of skiing...that would be $510,000. I'm not sure what you are proposing to spend on this free recreation for all kids/all the time, but I don't think the taxpayers will jump at the gun to do this. And you either want to abolish the GRCC or at least have the taxpayers pay more so that all programs are free for all? I am not sure what the dollar amount will be with what you are proposing? Do you care to give some estimates? I'm not saying that BMOM and GRCC are perfect. However, they do a good job for what little funding they do receive. You do seem eager to paint the BMOM board as corrupt/incompetent. Care to share what you would do differently (and the costs associated with that)? I do know that BMOM/RSU 10 did offer free skiing - I believe it was once a week last year, with discounted rentals, and that this year there are free ski lessons for K-grade 2 I believe. I don't for a minute believe that parents can't afford for their children to participate in either the GRCC or BMOM. Both offer reasonable rates. It is a matter of priority for the parents. Even section 8 households can 'afford' cell phones, cable TV, cigarettes,liquor etc...If the parents want to make this happen for their children - they will. So you confuse me...are you proposing that the taxpayers of Rumford make all recreational opportunities free for all? And, more importantly, what are you proposing for a tax bill?
The Doom and Gloom crowd unite!
Good pts, Chuckster. If BMOM and the GRCC did not exist, then I am quite sure Rumford's leaders would create more opportunities and venues for our youth through the Parks and Rec dept. That would lead to higher taxes (probably similar to what the town's contribution to these two organizations is right now) and quite possibly more employees on the town payroll to run these venues ( I'm sure that you naysayers would love that!). What exactly would you folks like to see for activities for our youth is this area? Who would provide it for a profit? Would it then be affordable for the children/parents to pay to play? I hear plenty of whining and very few solutions from you folks...other than to stop contributing our tax dollars to these organizations. I know that your overriding concern is to keep more $$ in your own pockets...I do get it. Come up with some ideas and we can mull it over on this site. Armymom, you seem to think it is so simple to run BMOM your way? Why don't you buy it so we can see the profits that you pull in. You can hire watchdog, commonsense/candiceanne, and get some other people off the dole while you are at it. That would be a real treat.
I get it.
I do get it armymom. I just don't agree with your point of view. I do believe that Libra/ME Winter Sports did invest quite a bit in our little mtn. I see a new lodge, new lift, new trails. I don't know if it will ever be self-sustaining financially, and I am OK with that. Small, community based ski areas such as Black, Titcomb, Spruce and others probably aren't, and will never be, money makers. I also understand that people, such as yourself, who probably don't use the facility or have children who don't use the facility are upset that a tiny portion of their tax dollars are used to sustain BMOM. But, I look at this mountain and this organization in a different way than you. I am OK with my tax dollars being used to help finance the Rumford Community Ctr, even though I have not visited the facility in years. It is a wise investment in our youth (as well as offering activities for adults). I am OK with my tax dollars being used to support the Parks and Recreation budget. Again I feel this is a wise investment for our youth and all citizens. I don't get upset when I walk along the trail along the Swift River and see the trail being used by my fellow citizens, many who are senior citizens. I don't get upset with the Parks dept for not charging them to use the trail or other facilities. It is a wise investment in our well being and recreational opportunities. These aren't money makers either. This is the way I look at Black Mtn. This is part of our heritage and I am thankful for all that these people have invested financially and volunteer-wise to our lives in this area. I am OK with my tax dollars going toward this enterprise...last year, this year and for many years to come. It is a wise investment.
Great job Black Mtn.
Kudos to the area folks at Black Mtn. for hosting this large event. Let the whining commence. You are damned if you don't host events (by the people who seem so eager to ruin the opportunities in this town) and damned if you do (by the same bunch of naysayers - go figure). As with the Community Center and Rec Park and all not for profit organizations, thank you for providing a venue for our youth (and us older folks who gladly support your efforts with our tax dollars and recreational spending). Thank you for investing in our community and adding value to life in this area. Your efforts are supported by a majority in this town. Hats off to all of the volunteers who make this mountain a nationally recogniized gem.
Kevin hit the nail right on
Kevin hit the nail right on the head on this one. CommonSense/Candiceanne add little to the dialogue in this area outside of complaining and whining. If a hotel chain wants to invest in our area, by all means our local gov't should be pro-business and pro-active. I am sure no company will invest without doing the necessary market research. Let the market determine the outcome of this proposal.
What is best for the students?
Thank you Jeff for some real facts. I find it comical that candiceann/commonsense and DWilson claim that children will be better served if we would only close Dirigo and Buckfield schools and send those students to Mtn Valley. I believe that the districts were consolidated to reduce admin costs, not to induce our students to spend longer hours on the bus. Students in outlying areas would spend 1 hour or so each way on the bus to get to/from school and I am not sure how this amount of time spent on a schoolbus would improve their education. I don't feel that this would be a wise investment in our future. I'm not even sure it would keep more $$ in candiceann/commonsense and DWilsons pocket, which I feel is the ultimate goal of this proposal.
Delusional
Just when you thought that this could not possibly get any weirder...here comes the relatives. 'Worldwide reputation'! Fatandhappy, you hit this one on the head. You just can't make up stuff like this.
Belief
And God doesn't have to be real in order for you to believe in 'Him'.
Religion not Science
Good post hurumble. If our school budgets weren't being pared down to readin' and writin' we could offer philosophy and world religion courses where the various 'Creation' beliefs could be presented. Let science classes stick to science. Fatandhappy, you can send your kids to your religion's schools to learn about your religious beliefs. Why should taxpayer's subsidize courses on your religious beliefs and not others? What are we to have... 'Christian' science, 'Hindu' science, 'Muslim' science, etc.? Preachers (and their preaching) belong in a church, not in a public school.
Abstinence only doesn't work
To quote melora, "Teens get into trouble or hang with the wrong crowd because they are not getting what they need from their family and parents." Thank you, that is exactly what I am saying. Therefore, educate teens and all young men and women about choices they have (yes, including abstinence). Your 'head in the sand' approach promotes unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Go read the statistics.
Preventing abortions
I think all candidates are against abortions as birth control...the question is, or should be, what will you do as governor to help prevent/reduce abortions. What is puzzling about the so-called Christians who are against choice is that they are also against any form of sex education/birth control - except for abstinence (and you can ask so-called Christians Sarah/Bristol Palin how that is working). These anti-education, anti-birth control, anti-choice people are indirectly responsible for unwanted pregnancies that lead to ..abortion. Go figure.
The people speak..again
Again, the majority of voters have favored funding recreational opportunities at Black Mtn for our citizens and youth. As Judge Clifford requested, the town held a formal meeting, read the warrant, debated the Black Mtn issue, and the majority voted in favor of funding...hopefully he rules quickly, as the intent of the majority should be clear by now (even to the disgruntled minority). Maybe BMOM should counter-sue the elite who represent the minority in order to move this along.
Well put, Cranky Yankee
You have made some very well thought out points, Cranky. Wind energy needs to be in the mix, along with hydro, solar, geothermal, oil/gas, etc. I would like the anti-wind experts to comment on the noise levels at the oil refineries and coal mines that they appear to be promoting (or where exactly does the energy they use come from - wood stoves?) How about the transportation costs of oil/gas/coal? Any environmental impacts there? How about the security risks of depending on Mideast oil or the cost of spending America's treasure in protecting the oil supply in countries run by friendly dictators(Saudi Arabia, etc.). The cost of human lives in sending our sons and daughters in the military to protect Big Oil's supply? I have also seen some of Europe's (eastern France) wind turbines..and have spoken to people who live near/among these 'industrial' windmills. I did not hear of nor see any of the doomsday scenarios that some of the these 'experts' seem to be convinced will be happening if some wind turbines go up around here. You would think that Mars Hill was a toxic waste(see BP and the Gulf of Mexico) dump the way that it is portrayed by these 'experts'. I would love for the panel to visit a strip-mined 'industrial' coal mine or oil refinery and come back and speak to us of how that coal mine or refinery would be preferable to wind turbines on the surrounding mtn tops. Wind power will not replace all carbon burning/producing plants. As buzzardbob says, wind power alone is not the answer, but it sure as hell beats some of the alternatives.
Leplague
Libby Mitchell must be pinching herself...you can't make this stuff up! Lepage is making the Marden's Lady look like the brains of his operation. Looking forward to an exciting fall campaign!
Charter change
Good job Carlo, Tom, Brad...this should prevent future 'minority rules' situations from developing.
We need to look closely at
We need to look closely at wind power - and balance the benefits and negative impact. I look forward to more information from all sides on the debate. I encourage all to read the letter in today's SJ from Richard Jennings,MD. It provides some balance in the claim that there is a negative impact on health. Wind power isn't the solution to all of our energy problems (nor does it claim to be)..but it needs to be a piece of the puzzle. I don't know what the answer is , and we all must educate ourselves, but I do know that I would much prefer a bunch of wind turbines on the local mtn. tops than coal mines or oil refineries. Good luck to the ordinance committee on finding the right balance.
That is the crux
...of this situation, gdls1, but that involves common sense...If the situation was reversed, say 637 citizens voted for $0, 430 voted for $10, and 657 voted for $100,000 then it would seem to be clear that the majority of voters wanted low/no funding for this project and I would have no problem with citizens seeking a revote (kinda like a recount, eh watchdog?) on this vote. What needs to be done beyond this issue is for the Town Manager/ Selectboard/ Town Attorney to revisit the wording of ballot questions. I applaud BMOM for bringing this process to a head.
Character traits?
In order to comply with full disclosure let it be said that I, also, did not buy a brick from the Stephens High School Alumni Association. What does that say about anyone's character? Why do you choose not to publish the names of the 99% of Rumford citizens who did not purchase bricks? Is this 'past action' of yours hearsay? One fact that you conveniently omit is that the Alumni Association is/was headed up by your father. Digging up this silly 'past action' reeks of sour grapes and a childish tantrum. Stick to the issues KNSaisi. The issue being discussed is whether the taxpayers of this community meant to fund BMOM or not...neither you nor I ( nor anyone else for that matter ) will come out smelling like roses if someone chooses to arbitrarily pick out 'past actions' and falsely assign a 'character trait' to it.
NotinMyTime
2/3 of the voting taxpayers in this community voted to fund this 'luxury'. What part of the vote don't YOU understand?
It's become your style KNS
Sadly, KNSaisi, it has become your style to add personal attacks to your comments. Recent attacks on Jolene Lovejoy and now Roger Arsenault. Why don't you list your charitable donations? I don't think your involvement as the 'Town Crier' on this site qualifies you to criticize anyone's volunteer/charity work. Stick to the issues and leave the mudslinging to watchdog and his ilk.
Good pts Dave
It is time to change the process. Before the 'NO' crowd gloats over minority rule, I would point out that if we are not willing to invest in our town, why would we expect any outside entity (business or organization) to invest here. The sad part of this is that the majority of citizens in this town were willing to invest in this gem and were denied by a flaw in the system. Unless this process is changed, this will only be the first of annual 'unintended consequences' for us.
Pot/Kettle
Now there's the pot calling the kettle black!!
Thanks for the clarification KNS
Upon re-reading your post I better understand your POV. But I don't agree with your opinion that the town attorney's legal opinion is wrong. As with yourself, I haven't always agreed with Town Attorney Carey's opinions, but in this instance I do. I believe that any article (initiated or otherwise) brought before the voters becomes, as you say, 'town business' or 'relating to town affairs'. This broadly worded term 'town business' certainly applies to any action by the voters that has been misrepresented by a poorly worded ballot question. I applaud BMOM for seeking a more fairly worded vote for two reasons...first, is that I support funding for this recreational facility that has been part of our heritage for several generations, and second, and most important to future ballot questions, I am glad that BMOM is bringing this to public attention so that Mr. Puiia, Mr. Carey and the selectboard can get together to come up with a solution to avoid this 'minority rule' situation. I do realize that the 'Point of Order' gang has been having a field day with the minutia of the Town Charter and Robert's Rules for some time now, and I don't want to ruin anyone's fun, but maybe it is time to add a little common sense to the rules and bylaws and focus on the intent of an action. Again, I ask you, do you feel comfortable that the intent of the voters was to provide no funding for BMOM?
Funny kind of Democracy
What kind of democracy have we created, with the wording of the ballot questions, when a clear minority of citizens can undermine the intent of the majority of voters? Let me see if I can get this right, Kevin and Frank, 1067 citizens of our town voted to fund BMOM for either $51,000 or $56,700 and 657 citizens voted for no funding...and you two seem confused on the intent of the citizens of Rumford? The dangerous precedent, Kevin, is in how we are wording the ballot questions not in BMOM seeking redress. I am not sure why you would want selectmen to block 'such a meeting' of citizens to vote on the petition, when, as you clearly state, BMOM is following the Charter? The town would not be 'bending the laws' for BMOM, rather, we would be adhering to the laws. Do either of you honestly feel that the intent of the voters was to provide no funding for BMOM? Frank, your personal attacks on Roger Arsenault, who has a long history of working to promote this town in a positive way, are unwarranted. Perhaps that is one of the reasons the citizens of this town clearly voted you out of office in the recent election(..clear to everyone but you, as your recount proved). Let the process play itself out, and don't insult the voters of this town by denying a process that follows the Town Charter. The selectboard and town manager would do well to revisit the wording of future ballot questions in my opinion.
Welcome to the Great State O'Maine
We have hosted/welcomed the Bushes for years...we can certainly welcome the Obamas and their beautiful daughters to our state. I hope they love their vacation and they return often.
KON and KAOS
Why don't you post on here where your 'land' is so the Malleys and everyone else in the State can come over and enjoy 'exploring' your property as they see fit. I doubt either of you own property or you wouldn't be calling the Malleys "pricks' for deciding what they want to do with their own land. So how about it boys? Post some info here...or do you want to 'ruin other people's fun'?
The voters have spoken
The citizens have overwhelmingly approved the direction of the current selectboard under Mr Adley. We can look forward to a respectful, responsible town government that has the best interests of the whole town at heart. I can't say that I will miss the drama! (Well, it did provide a few chuckles) What part of this vote didn't you understand? Frank, you spent some $$ to prove that, indeed, the machines and ballot clerks do their jobs well. You started the day 58 votes short and ended the day 59 votes short. Time to join us in wishing the selectboard well.
Recount Criteria
Rumford needs to revisit or develop standards for a recount. Watchdog, you needed 571 votes to win a seat but only received 513. The difference of what you needed vs. what you received is greater than 10%. That is a large difference and you need to either accept the will of the people in this town or pay for a recount out of your own pocket. Rumford needs to select a % amount of voting differential that would qualify for a recount...3% seems reasonable, 5%, not so much, 10% or more, no way in hell (unless you want to fund it yourself). Frank, you are asking the taxpayers to throw some hard earned money your way to pay for something frivolous. And you claim to be concerned with wasteful spending? Show some dignity and accept the will of the citizens.
Fantastic young lady
Kudos to Ms Garcia on her well deserved achievement. This is a great honor. Good luck with your dreams - teachers do make a huge difference in everyone's life.
Pretty darn good day for Rumford
Not sure of all of the results of election day, but the selectmen's vote by the townspeople reflects the confidence this town has in the direction of the current board. DWilson, can you cite any credible sources for your claim that 'Rumford has the highest property tax rate in the State'? What are you basing your 'adjusted' and 'non adjusted' rate on ? I have lived in several communities in this state and Rumford's property taxes are considerably lower than many. I expect to see you working the polls next time (with all your helpful insight and all).
Otten needs to answer this ad
Poliquin asks a good question...Why does Les Otten think that running a once profitable company into bankruptcy qualifies him to be guvnah of our state? If Otten thinks that this is dirty politics then I don't believe that he is ready for the big show. He needs to toughen up...and answer the question.
Scum of the Earth. If caught
Scum of the Earth. If caught they should spend the summer cleaning the park up.
Who cares if he runs or not?
Who cares if he runs or not? He is a single digit (vote %) candidate with little to add to the debate.
Red White Bigot
...and staying in this area with your ilk will benefit the kids...how? You may be afraid of the world RedWhiteBlue, but thanks to people like Ms Beane and Co. our children will learn that it is a much more interesting place when you take your head out of the sand.
Watchdog Frank
Take a deep breath. It isn't very comfortable having your integrity challenged (as you did to your fellow selectmen) is it? I applaud you for serving your town - I don't applaud you for the manner in which you do it. To add to what KSaisi stated, I agree that none of the selectmen or town leaders are bad people, but that does not necessarily make them good selectmen. I'll call you for that coffee - I'll even pay!
Edit...let me amend the offer to pay for your coffee...I'll buy if you can clear up one unresolved issue for me when we meet. I refer to the infamous episode of the recent past when you attempted to disband/discredit the Charter Commission. It has never been adequately explained to me how you, Mr Boivin, and Mr Belanger, acting as selectmen, met and hired the town attorney Carey without calling a meeting or informing your fellow selectmen at that time of your request to hire said attorney for the sum of approx.$2000. If you recall, there was a request at that time to have you three dismissed for illegally meeting without informing your fellow selectmen or the public. Is this one of your ideas to save this town money? I'll give you a couple of days to come up with an answer for me and if you can...I'll buy. And if you can't or refuse to answer for this...you can buy. Deal?
Insulting and Self Serving
Frank's comments were certainly meant to be insulting to Carlo and the department heads. Frank has had plenty of time as a selectman to make a difference and his description of himself as a failure in that respect certainly should speak volumes to the voters of Rumford as his term expires. While I think that it is healthy to debate the cost and services provided by the local government, I don't feel many of Frank's actions or words have added anything constructive to the debate. This was little more than grandstanding on his part..and if he, indeed, represents a large segment of the population then this town has some serious problems. We citizens, by and large, get what we deserve, and if this is how we want our selectpeople to behave then by all means we have the power to make that choice...or not.
Frank/watchdog
You wonder what Mr Diconzo would have suggested?? Why don't you tell us what you would suggest for cuts. Mr Belanger did not have any suggestions despite his contrary statements. The insinuation is that the Police and Fire departments are still too large even though they have made significant cuts in the past couple of years so... Frank, what would you suggest for further cuts?