Mark Gravel

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In general, I’m okay with

In general, I’m okay with your list, but I’m sure we'll disagree as to what level and how the US should implement those concepts.

If fostering economic markets means capital investment, then remove from the list, but if it means establishing a legal system to resolve disputes between private parties, then okay for example.

If this list includes bailouts for private business, I would remove it. Let business take risk and let them fail.

If this list leads to spending GDP > 15% in peace time, then government is too big.

If this list leads to structural debt, the government is too big....etc.

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Perhaps I would say that

Perhaps I would say that Government is sometimes the solution, but should be avoided if possible.

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It is actually fairly simple.

It is actually fairly simple. There is no clear delineation between corporate power and politics (i.e. our governance). Businesses routinely influence policy to their favor. If we can downsize government and the power government has over the citizens, then the government has less favors to give corporations.

I feel that you are living in a fantasy world where government is the super hero. It is not. There is no clean line between the wolf and the protectors of the sheep.

Government is the wolf in sheep’s clothing. Now why would you want more of it?

Let's hope you pay back your sucess with your on money, not mine... :)

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"Government is only about

"Government is only about power." Yes, and that is why seasoned readers don't what to hand any more over to the Government.

Lastly, if you want opportunity, get you ass out of Maine. Don't expect opportunity to knock on your door. Opportunity still exists, go find it. I did and many others like me did, so you can too!

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EPA has not investigated a

EPA has not investigated a single case of harm done by fracking.
Remember, look at what is happing. Please tell me what makes one think a larger government will make the above situation any better? If I can have a smaller and cheaper government that produces the same results, isn’t that better?

“The advantages of smaller government are an illusion. Just because you can walk into the town office and talk to the town manager does not mean you have influence, can get anything done, or can compete with a major power center (corporation, government, rich folks)”

Again, you are assuming here that a larger government will be less favorable to the power centers – not necessarily. What in the world makes you think a larger government will operate any differently?
The government of today is larger than the government of the Carter administration, but can you say there is less influence today from the power centers than there was during the Carter administration? My answer would be that there is more corruption in government today then back then, but government is larger?

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Let’s say you cut government

Let’s say you cut government at all levels by 1/3. Would it not be easier to track expenditures across the board?

Moreover, people tend to focus more on local issues, so perhaps they’ll be more diligent in tracking where the money goes locally vs. nationally. That is, you can narrow your scope in which you need to monitor.

Perhaps you can look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself does government run more efficiently the larger it grows? Examine what actually is happing, instead of spouting theories of economies of scale crap. Look at what actually happens. Has the government gotten more efficient from Carter to now?

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Deliverance perhaps - fad to

Deliverance perhaps - fad to dueling banjos.

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Deliverance perhaps - fad to

Deliverance perhaps - fad to dueling banjos.

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I spin on the fuse blower

I spin on the fuse blower picture above, so don’t get shorted.

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Yes, and you cannot screw the

Yes, and you cannot screw the male end into another male end, but it fits well in the female end does it not?

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All distractions from the

All distractions from the real issues - Jobs, debt, the economy.

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Doesn’t AARP make money off

Doesn’t AARP make money off supplemental SS insurance? That is, AARP has a business model tied to SS?

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Correction: That --> than

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"We support OWS because

"We support OWS because economic and social inequalities make our patients sick. Low wages, high unemployment, inadequate education, unhealthy food, unaffordable housing, unsafe jobs, a polluted environment, and a lack of access to affordable health care breed death and disability."

Not necessarily. Their are people far more wealthier that I, but less healthier that I. Moreover, little of the above applies to the average American - does it?

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Agreed, As a public service,

Agreed,

As a public service, one should be mandated to live by the laws they legislate.
Moreover, no more life-time retirement after 4 years of service and institute defined contribution retirement plans in lieu pensions.

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Jason, An analogy is that I

Jason,

An analogy is that I can better watch 5 shop lifters in my store vs. 20. That is, I’m more likely to catch misbehavior.

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Jason, You are correct in

Jason,

You are correct in that smaller government does not necessarily mean lest waste. However, a smaller government in terms of budget and size (number of departments and staff) is easier to manage given the same level of oversight as provided in a larger government.

Moreover, of government does go wild, then there are fewer dollars to squander.

Also, smaller government makes it easier for Joe public to monitor for an additional level of checks and balances.

There are lots of benefits to smaller government. Let's restrict government to the basics functions that cannot be provided in the private sector - defense, roads, infrastructure. Leave practically everything else to the state.

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James, Please don’t fall into

James,

Please don’t fall into the fallacy that more money given to the schools means a better education.

My wife is from South East Asia, and we travel to her native country once every two years. I’m surprise to see how her home country can educate children for far less per student. The class sizes are bigger – 40-60 students. Moreover, the students on average outperform US students.

The biggest difference that I see is in the student’s and parents attitudes about education; the children are driven and parents are engaged.

Now that is not to say the US is capable of replicating these results, but the takeaway I would give to you is to use the public system as framework for education, but you provide the additional support to make your children successful. The more you put into your children’s education, the more your children and you will get out of it. Above all, prioritize education over play.

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James, Please don’t fall into

James,

Please don’t fall into the fallacy that more money given to the schools means a better education.

My wife is from South East Asia, and we travel to her native country once every two years. I’m surprise to see how her home country can educate children for far less per student. The class sizes are bigger – 40-60 students. Moreover, the students on average outperform US students.

The biggest difference that I see is in the student’s and parents attitudes about education; the children are driven and parents are engaged.

Now that is not to say the US is capable of replicating these results, but the takeaway I would give to you is to use the public system as framework for education, but you provide the additional support to make your children successful. The more you put into your children’s education, the more your children and you will get out of it. Above all, prioritize education over play.

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This is a simple question

This is a simple question that warrants a yes or no answer? The lack of a response is an implicit YES.

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Tony, Why must you swing your

Tony,
Why must you swing your pendulum on to far opposite end of the spectrum when someone mentions downsizing (i.e. reducing taxing and spending) government?

I read of no one proposing to eliminate government.

You are trying to establish a false dichotomy (big government or no government), which most readers are not buying.

You’re welcome to “LOL”, but your brand of government failing throughout Europe is it not?

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Tony, The alternative to

Tony,

The alternative to austerity is continuance of debt spending. Please enlighten us on how a Nation can continue in that manner? Are you not just postponing the inevitable when a Nation’s credit dries up or a Nation continues to print money without bounds?

Since many of our day-to-day items are imports, like crude oil, what do you think will happen to the price of these items when the t dollar is devalued?

One bright spot is that we can keep an eye on Greece to see if it drops out of the EU and starts printing its own currency to keep up with an unsustainable life style. Hopefully we’ll learn from them before it is too late, and we follow that same path.

“To that end, they propose killing government except where it serves the wealthy.”

Is this just your opinion, or do you have insights into some kind of conspiracy? What is your evidence? Moreover, don’t the Democrats give special favors to their wealthy supporters? Why do you selectively fail to mention that as well?

While your cries of apocalypse may resonate with people of like mind, there is nothing of substance backing your assertions. It is time for all readers to set aside their emotions and think critically. Can this nation continue to borrow $0.40 (today’s debt rate) on the dollar without negative economic impact?

Lastly, smaller government means less political favors from both major parties. Less money in Washington means less money to grant political favors. If crooks go where the money is to be found, let’s move the money back into the pockets of the rightful owners.

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Tony, The alternative to

Tony,

The alternative to austerity is continuance of debt spending. Please enlighten us on how a Nation can continue in that manner? Are you not just postponing the inevitable when a Nation’s credit dries up or a Nation continues to print money without bounds?

Since many of our day-to-day items are imports, like crude oil, what do you think will happen to the price of these items when the t dollar is devalued?
One bright spot is that we can keep an eye on Greece to see if it drops out of the EU and starts printing its own currency to keep up with an unsustainable life style. Hopefully we’ll learn from them before it is too late, and we follow that same path.

“To that end, they propose killing government except where it serves the wealthy.”

Is this just your opinion, or do you have insights into some kind of conspiracy? What is your evidence? Moreover, don’t the Democrats give special favors to their wealthy supporters? Why do you selectively fail to mention that as well?

While your cries of apocalypse may resonate with people of like mind, there is nothing of substance backing your assertions. It is time for all readers to set aside their emotions and think critically. Can this nation continue to borrow $0.40 (today’s debt rate) on the dollar without negative economic impact?

Lastly, smaller government means less political favors from both major parties. Less money in Washington means less money to grant political favors. If crooks go where the money is to be found, let’s move the money back into the pockets of the rightful owners.

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Since Claire is an educator,

Since Claire is an educator, her bread and butter are predicated on tax spending. Why would she ever assert the current level of education spending is sufficient for example?

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Claire, Are you opposed to

Claire,

Are you opposed to all budget cuts?

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The actual takeaway should be

The actual takeaway should be smaller government is better government. That said, I disagree with most new legislation regardless of the source.

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Bob, Ever consider that the

Bob,

Ever consider that the company “right sized” because you became unionized labor force, and therefore, would not have “right sized” if the labor force did not unionize?

Freedom is a two-way street, freedom for labor to organize and freedom of companies to resist! Do you want to restrict freedom?

“People (read government) need to talk with one another and come up with reasonable laws, not just say the hell with it and jam laws down our throats.”

Standard response when you don’t agree with the policies. I feel the same way when new taxes are rammed down my throat.
Perhaps the solution is smaller government, like in a part time legislature . The premise is that smaller government makes fewer laws for all to hate.

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Good letter and welcome to

Good letter and welcome to politics.

Remember the origin of the word politics – poly - meaning many, and ticks - blood sucking parasites.

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Betty, The fact that you

Betty,

The fact that you blame only Republicans reveals your hues of jade.

Both Republicans and Democrats have negotiated free trade agreements that open foreign markets to goods, services, and LABOR as an example.

In my opinion, anyone who blames a particular political party or looks to a particular political party for salvation is blind to reality.

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Betty, Unemployment amongst

Betty,
Unemployment amongst people with a college education was 4.3% that last I checked.

Unemployment amongst unskilled workers was 10.3% comparatively in the same timeframe. The point spread between the two statistics is telling..

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Bob, You start to lose

Bob,

You start to lose credibility when you throw out those wild claims targeted a one individual.

I challenge you to show your proof, or retract your claims!

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Zack, Alternatively, unions

Zack,

Alternatively, unions can be thought of overloading the engine's capacity to pull the load of the unions. The engine simple shuts down, and workers are left on the side of the road with no economic transportation.

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Zack, For better or worse,

Zack,

For better or worse, globalization, and to a larger extend automation, has created a surplus of labor. Many employers have alternatives.

You may dislike this phenomenon, but ignoring it may mean the demise of your job due to labor's demands.

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Betty, While people have the

Betty,
While people have the right to collective bargain, private businesses also have a right to take their operations elsewhere. This mutual freedom tends to temper employee demands.

However, this is not the case when applied to the private sector. Federal, State, and local governments are held hostage to union demands; Governments are immobile. Moreover, there appears to be cooperation between organized labor and politicians in some cases that hang the taxpayer out to dry.

As a taxpayer, the later cannot be allowed to continue.

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Danny, Perhaps Governor

Danny,

Perhaps Governor LePage punched the correct bully in the mouth!
When the so called “earned pension” are breaking the back of the taxpayer or employer, then it is time to knock it for a loop.

It is time that organized labor realize that changes in the global labor markets give privately owned business at least alternatives to high labor costs.

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Thomas, Let’s not forget that

Thomas,

Let’s not forget that Republicans can too exhibit overspending and mismanagement behaviors.

Results matter; let’s measure, judge, elect or not elect based on results, not political affiliation alone.

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I’m positive you understand

I’m positive you understand the concept of an average. The data shows nothing more than the Government is spending more than average over 40 decades.

The takeaway is simple – the government is spending more today...

It is a bit ironic that many who post opinions herein are more concerned about placing blame on Republicans or Democrats for current problems. Perhaps government itself is at fault here.

Take your Reagan comment for example. It is interesting trivia, but it contributes nothing to fixing the current spending problem. New flash – Reagan is not in office, Reagan has passed on.

In my opinion, the government should strive to balance the budget yearly. Deciding what percent of GDP the government should control in peace time should be a mutually exclusive discussion.

The Rich do pay more in federal taxes than the poor “on average” measured in both percentage of income and in absolute dollars. Yes, you can point to some exceptions, but averages paint the broader picture. Moreover, the rich have more disposable income. For you that is a problem, not so much for me.

If you really want farness, all income earners should pay taxes - all. A flat rate, not deduction tax policy is easy to implement and measure. Oh, yes, if you make less, you have less disposable income; that is life.

Lastly, I simply don’t understand the envy that drives distain for the wealthy. Perhaps I’m too busy trying to rise the economic latter myself. Perhaps people should be more than mere consumers of goods and services (a.ka. sheepeople) and learn now to make money work for them along the way.

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Ronald, When I go to work to

Ronald,
When I go to work to earn money, I trade my time for dollars. My time is my property in a free country. When the government taxes me, it indirectly takes a slice of my time, effectively my property.

When I trade more time for more dollars, the government takes more in taxes simply for working more. I don’t use more government resources. Perhaps I use less because I spend more time at my place of employment instead for driving on the roads for example. Why should I be treated unequally for working harder?

“A major political party in the U.S. blindly refuses to return taxes to what
they were during the Reagan era or close 'loopholes' because some blind
zealot claims”

And the other political party (actually both) refuses to cut spending to match revenues.
Perhaps we should view the tax cuts as returning money back to the rightful owner, those who earned it.

Spending has historically fluctuated between 15-18% of GDP. Current spend rate is about 24% of GDP.

You are welcome to pay more in taxes; oh, but you want others to pay. That is the crux of the issue. Sometimes one needs to hit bottom before one realizes they have a problem, like overspending.

Lastly, instead of focusing on revenue, how about we insist government cut waste and prioritize the revenue it does collect in a more productive manner.

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Ronald, There are no stupid

Ronald,
There are no stupid questions, perhaps only stupid answers.

Perhaps Dan was banned from the site, which is noticeable to anyone reading the same thread and the time.

Dan could have announced his departure, and you noticed.

I clearly over estimated your powers of observation.

All that said, a simple “I don’t know” or “no clue” response would be sufficient, or even an implicit response through silence would do.

Enjoy the day - if you can.

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“It is an old saying that

“It is an old saying that that government is
best that governs least. In a truer and more practical sense, modern social
thinkers regard that government as best that best protects the lives, the
property, and the liberty of its citizens and best guarantees them equal
rights, privileges, and opportunities before the law.”

All of which cannot be achieved when a Government spends the Nation into insolvency.

How can a nation protect lives when it can no longer adequately fund the military or municipalities fund local police? Research Stockton California for example, the city is bankrupt.

How is my property protected when the Government overspends and wants to take more of my property, the monetary kind?

How is the Government promoting equal rights when it attacks the rich for simply being rich?

Lastly, one can leave the state more easily than one can leave the country; however, both remain options with increasing favorability as government continues down the path to financial serfdom.

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Well, it allows one to see

Well, it allows one to see what talking to a liberal point of view is all about.

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To that I would add

To that I would add diminishingly operates. We could also say that Greece is somewhat operating, not so good though?
We should have higher standards and expectations.

In closing, I still perfer to use dysfunction as an adjective.

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Jason, Ah, a Patriot to whom?

Jason,
Ah, a Patriot to whom? Were the original 13 colonies Patriots to King George and his oppressive government? Did not we fight a revolution in part to taxation without representation?

Rebellion takes many forms. If our government is spending us into serfdom, should we not rebel?

In 1930’s Nazi Germany, the people were Patriots to the government, was that a good thing?

Patriotism for patriotism’s sake is not always warranted.

Ask yourself where your threshold is. How many pennies on the dollar would the government have to take from you before you rebel? How many? Oh and please spare the words, I’m looking for a simple numeric answer (i.e. $0.50).

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Ernest, What is wrong with

Ernest,
What is wrong with generic drugs? Most are just as effective as name brand drugs. Moreover, without generic drugs, there would be far fewer people receiving help at all.

Lastly, a $20.00 co-pay seems pretty generous compared to my $55.00 co-pay in my opinion.

Compared to myself, I think you have a pretty sweet deal.

Mark

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Heidi, “Wouldn’t it be better

Heidi,

“Wouldn’t it be better to keep as many people as possible in the health care system; practice preventive medicine with mammograms, pap smears and colonoscopies, and provide medication and treatment early for diseases discovered?”

Ostensibly yes, but who will pay for all these services, especially when our Federal Government borrows near $0.40 on every dollar it spends?

Take unfunded Medicare liabilities for example; there is simply not enough revenue to sustain these programs.

What then? How far will that healthcare right take you when the country is bankrupt?

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Politicians keep spouting

Politicians keep spouting these old platitudes because they work. There is enough political zombies that need to hear the party line every now and then to keep them moving – The Walking Political Dead.

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I’ll take your answer as a

I’ll take your answer as a simple no.

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Ronald, Where’s Dan? Any

Ronald,

Where’s Dan? Any clue?

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Ronald, I did not say that I

Ronald,
I did not say that I condoned this behavior. I just simply stated people are free to protest with their feet. A basic statement of what is!

I don’t like the wealth exodus from this country any more than you, but you cannot or should not ignore that as free people we have the choice to walk.

So what are we going to do?

There are two basic approaches:
1. Takeaway people’s freedom - do we really want to go here?
2. Stop behaving in a manner such that it drives people out. That is stop attacking the rich for simply being rich.

While the war against the rich may make you feel good with minor victories enforced through the tax code, many of the real wealthy do have the freedom of mobility.

Now you can say good, let them all go, but you must consider there are unintended consequences. In this case, the wealth is removed from this country.

Lastly and on a somewhat different topic, we are all complicit in the wealth exodus when we buy cheap foreign imports. Personally, I do without where I can instead of buying imported crap from Wal*mart.

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Jason, Let’s set the name

Jason,

Let’s set the name calling aside. When I collect and review your opinions posted herein, they are overwhelming big government.

You’re now welcome to attach any name you wish to this observation.

However, this does not overshadow your propensity to support the current dysfunctional government.

Perhaps you call that red, white, and blue; but many of us call it black and blue.

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Being a Patriot (i.e. red,

Being a Patriot (i.e. red, white, and blue) does not mean you fork over any amount of money the Government desires.

In fact, a real Patriot will fight the government’s tendency to target a certain class of people disproportionally. A real Patriot will fight the government’s demonstrated tendency to over spend.

What will the tax and spenders do when all the wealth is driven from this country? We are free men and women. We are not contractually obligated to our State, nor are we contractually obligated to our Country.

That is reality, do you want to test its limits?

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Claire, You always resort to

Claire,

You always resort to extreme examples when someone brings up legitimate opinions about government overspending. Your view exists only in your imagination, not in reality. Being an educator, I would assume you would approach these things using the scientific method; moreover, deal with what is, not what might be.

Should the tax payer ignore the fact that we cannot sustain the current federal spend rate? Draconian tax increases are not enough to solve the spending problem.

That said, what do you think will happen to all those public services you accuse the republicans are plotting to destroy if we don’t cap spending now and allow the system to collapse?

Don’t you think things will be much worse then, or are you like many people who only care about what they can extract from the present at the expense of the future?

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It all comes down to personal

It all comes down to personal responsibility, something we cannot legislate.

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Again you are misleading the

Again you are misleading the readers to support your point of view.
The marginal tax rate that you quote applies to earned income. Rommey’s marginal tax rate was on unearned income (i.e. dividends). You should be comparing apples to apples.

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“So the solution is to

“So the solution is to address the recession.”

Here you are assuming that pre-recession growth rate and GPD are the norm. Perhaps the economy has contracted to its normal equilibrium. The US has participated in deficit spending for over 3 decades. This artificially inflates the economy above its normal equilibrium that would exist without that spending.

Dumping more stimulus spending into the current economy is just perpetuating the distortion of the sustainable equilibrium, especially after 4 years since the onset of the recession. Moreover, we are no longer in a recession by definition, so again, more stimulus will artificially distort the natural equilibrium.

The solution is to grow GDP at a sustainable level without artificial stimulus.

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“The result has to be a

“The result has to be a significant increase in the debt.”

The solution goes back to basics. If revenue decreases, so does spending by an equal amount.

Because Congress failed at that task, does not mean you can blame law enacted the may decrease revenue. Rather it should be viewed as ½ of a solution similar to your commend about the tax rate for 1%’ers that does not factor in dedications.

The basic concept still applies albeit not applied by Congress; you should ask yourself why it was not applied.

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“The top 1% pay 1/4 of the

“The top 1% pay 1/4 of the tax rate today that they paid 60
years ago.”

This is only half the picture since you are not factoring in deductions. You really need to look at tax liability as a percentage of adjusted gross income. Plus tax rates during WWII were abnormally high, so one should view that as an anomaly in the overall data instead of pointing to it as a norm.

Your tax liability is the absolute number of dollars paid to the government which is comprised of (INCOME-DEDUCTIONS)*MARGINAL TAX RATE. You must consider both variables, deductions and marginal tax rate in you argument if you want to paint the full picture.

You can find this information from the tax foundation as see that the straight line approximation is up and to the right. Time permitting later, I’ll find the data for you to review.

Lastly, current tax revenue as a percent of GDP is as almost as high as it was during WWII.

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Correction:

All problems come back to basics

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Jason, It all problems come

Jason,

It all problems come back to basics. Perhaps government likes to preset problems as complex, but all complex problems can be decomposed into basic concepts. My training as an Engineering enables me to take complex problems and decompose them into basic engineering concepts.

Let’s take the budget deficit for example. I read many opinions herein about complex economic theory, it is the Democrat’s fault, it is the Republican’s fault, …, etc.

It all comes down to basics, spending exceeds revenue no matter how you slice it. People add complexity for many reason, perhaps one being to divide people to hide one or more parity’s agenda or to avoid addressing the problem. The solution to a budget deficit is to match revenue and spending – simple.

If one cannot decompose a problem into basic concepts, one will never be an effective problem solver.

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A snapshot of government role

A snapshot of government role in our economy; its all up and to the right - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us_gov_spending_history_1902_2010.png

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Jonathan, Step back and

Jonathan,

Step back and consider what Pirate is trying to say. The takeaway is that you cannot always expect the government to protect you. The government, or individuals in the government, who are vulnerable to human emotion – greed for one, may not have your best interest in mind similar to a hungry lion.

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Jason, The takeaway is that

Jason,
The takeaway is that greed, jealousy, and envy are indeed part of the human condition. All the restraints that society places on itself to keep these behaviors in check are not foolproof. Government, like any organization, loses its span of control as it grows.

As Government grows, it gets to a size where it cannot effectively police itself. One just has to look at the questionable practices contemporary politicians get away with as an example. Common sense indicates that these human foibles lessen within government as government itself gets smaller.

In layman’s terms, the less money government takes from me, the less it can squander on special interest. Moreover, special interests will never be purged from politics for you cannot purge greed, jealousy, and envy from human nature no matter how many checks and balances one creates.

By the way, you don’t have to reference the constitution nor federalist papers to discuss commons sense issues.

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Jason, I couldn’t disagree

Jason,

I couldn’t disagree with you more. Humans are emotional creatures. The concept of love is emotional. Greed, jealousy, and envy are part of that emotion. There is no culture that exist that greed, jealousy, and envy are not present.

You’re quite the idealistic dreamer - just observe humanity.

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I think it is pretty safe to

I think it is pretty safe to say that human greed, envy, and jealousy has been around for quite some time, is alive and well, and will be around for some time to come.

Government centralizes wealth, which ostensibly attracts those who wish to acquire some of it through influencing policy; we see examples of this behavior every day.

“When international associations of associations conspire together government must
be huge to protect the interests of the average person.”

You’re missing a key point. Government is made of people who are subject to greed; therefore, there is no guarantee of government protection. You cannot separate the two.

“Small government was fine when we went around in stagecoaches.”

Can you seriously say the size of our Federal government is effective?

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Christine, Perhaps you forgot

Christine,
Perhaps you forgot that the Governor does represent and speak for the people of Maine by the fact he was elected Governor.

It is a bit ironic that those who don’t share the Governors vision squawk about needing to “working together.”

If enough people have the same opinion as you, then vote the Governor out of office next election. Until then, he represents the people.

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Jonathan, You fail to realize

Jonathan,
You fail to realize that human nature has not changed for centuries. That said, human nature will continue to pollute the purest of political or economic systems.

Perhaps the solution it to trivialize the opportunity government, comprised of humans, has to pollute the system. Smaller government is better government.

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Al, The downside is that the

Al,

The downside is that the money funding the war is borrowed or printed. Spending money we don’t have on guns or butter amounts to the same thing – sending money we don’t have.

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Let me try once more...” the

Let me try once more...” the government, and causes people to go underground.”

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Correction

...the government go underground.

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Anarchy, a state of disorder

Anarchy, a state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority, does not result from a lack of government. It results from too much government. Too many nanny laws, too many regulations, too many taxes, cause people to go ignore the government underground.

The takeaway here is that the government pushes people toward anarchy when it becomes too oppressive and controlling.

By-the-way, the2nd amendment, properly applied, is not to force my will on you; it is to keep you from forcing your will on me. Keep that in mind.

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The 2nd amendment of the U.S.

The 2nd amendment of the U.S. constitution.

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Phyllis, It is good that you

Phyllis,
It is good that you point out that government has its hand in the till, but I didn’t understand your plea for Government to rob more form the rich???

Shouldn’t your plea be for government to stop pocketing billions at the expense of “ALL” taxpayers?

Why not get rid of the thief instead of recommending other victims?

Perhaps this opinion is just another twist on the envy play?

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Marilyn, As a taxpayer and a

Marilyn,
As a taxpayer and a private sector employee, I can tell you that I feel beaten down at times and tired of the relentless push for more taxes.

That said, I do find comfort in knowing this behavior will come to an end, either when the taxpayers revolt or when there are not enough taxpayers to foot the bill. Either way, it will end.

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Ronald, I understand why you

Ronald,

I understand why you would have trouble understanding why smaller government is better government, especially when you frequently turn to government for your solution or as an enforcement arm for your politics.

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If his actions result in

If his actions result in smaller Government – I’m okay with that.

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Claire, The government is

Claire,
The government is spending taxpayer’s money; they have the responsibility to not be defrauded at the taxpayer’s expense. The government should question and refuse to pay for unnecessary billing like in Frank’s example below.

The buck stops with the administrators, but who cares when it is not your money to being with, where is the incentive to be frugal.

I would tell the Government that if they are not capable of fighting fraud, then let me keep my own money for I am fully capable.

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Frank, I would think once you

Frank,
I would think once you settled charges with the Hospital for all services render at their facility, then that is that, the contract is compete.

I had a similar experience. I needed to see a doctor, but had no insurance at the time. I made an appointment, and paid $70.00 for the visit. The office later billed me for an additional $50.00.

In fact, the Doctor’s office insisted I pay in full prior to being seen by the Doctor; I complied.
In closing, I told them to go pound sand for the additional $50.00 since our contract was for $70.00, especially when the office wanted cash before the Doctor would even see me.

You did the right thing by standing up to them. Where else do you go buy a good or service, pay the bill, then get additional charges, certainly not at wal*mart.

All charges should be present at the point of service – period.

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On second reading of this

On second reading of this letter, I wondered what would be the outcome if someone was successful at bringing “Pharma or medical supplies” to their knees.

Why would these companies continue to do business on their knees?
Why wouldn’t they just shutter the doors and move on?
What would you do then Dr. Walworth if these business close?

Why would companies invest in RND if they cannot make money at it? How would this give us new drugs?

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Ronald, I’m still intrigued

Ronald,

I’m still intrigued with your belief that government is the solution, especially when we repeatedly see political favors come out of Washington form both major parties at the taxpayers’ expense.

Corporations are not greed, government is not greedy, but humans are greedy. How can we expect different behavior from humans depending on their affiliation with corporations or government?

I would assert that the size of government does matter since like moths are attracted to flame; greedy people are attached to where the money is distributed
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How do you come to your conclusion?

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That will ever happen. There

That will ever happen. There is just as much greed in government as in private corporations.

The better alternative is to minimize federal government’s impact. Perhaps state and local government is a better laboratory for your point of view since you have better accountability at that level.

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Is it not the government, the

Is it not the government, the same institution you look to for salvation, that enables outsourcing?

Again, this is another example where government is part of the problem. I still wonder why you continue look at government with faithful eyes.

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Ronald, So please tell me how

Ronald,
So please tell me how the government (i.e. SEC) protected these investors? By the way, was it not greed from both parties that motivated them? Where not these people motivated with promises of above average returns?

The government was not effective in protecting these investors. They only prosecuted after the fact, so all that money wasted on preventing this behavior failed. Perhaps as the SEC were surfing pornography, yet another example of government being part of the problem. Perhaps people let down their guard thinking the government will watch out for them, yet another example of an idiot.

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“Robbing you idiots is like

“Robbing you idiots is like shooting fish in a barrel?”

Would not be true if we had no idiots? How many idiots wastes dollars on iPhones , iPads, snowmobiles, RVs, ...., rather than save and invest. Why should I be responsible for these idiots? We cannot have one without the other.

“Thanks for bailing us out you peasants.” - That was our trustful government that you put so much faith in to provide single payer healthcare. Perhaps you know why I’m so skeptical about governments’ ability to execute. My government does not have my best intrest in mind. Thinking so, makes me an idiot ripe for the picking.

I’ll reserve my comment about the guy in the back row who resembles a younger Ronald proclaiming he is not wearing any pants.

I think where you and I differ in opinion the most is that you look to government for a solution, while I think government is part of the problem. If it were not for the government, we would not have corporate bailouts and many corpoarate subsidies. If business cannot stand on its own two feet, then it should close its doors; this also applies to auto manufactures as well.

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Don’t you think it is

Don’t you think it is disingenuous to hold up a few bad seeds and imply anyone who earns money from providing goods and services to others are all dishonest?

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Claire, Having a private

Claire,
Having a private insurance policy, it is my responsibility to review all expenses billed to my insurance company and notify them of fraudulent a actively.

Like Medicare, private insurers know what procedures cost, so one of the only door’s to fraud is billing for procedure’s that are not provided.

For some reason, that concept alludes Medicare. If it did not, then we would not have as much fraud.

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I hope you get the level of

I hope you get the level of care you imagine you’ll receive. That will change at some point, either through policy, financial necessity, or both.

So how should other people feel knowing they are contributing to a system that may not be there for them. I suspect those people want to keep that money in their own pocket to care for themselves.

In closing, keep in mind those people who put trust in Bernie Madoff; checking your mind at the door exposes you to becoming a victim. Never stop thinking.

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Claire, Freedom does not mean

Claire,
Freedom does not mean you can injure others. In a similar context, freedom does mean you are free to injure yourself, and doing so does not mean others have to pay for your mistakes.
“The alternative
is to live alone in an ice cave in Antartica. You could have all the freedom
in the world there.”

Again you are presenting a false dichotomy. The decision for what is best for a community is best determined by the community in which you reside (i.e. state or local government) rather than a centralized government. Citizens can then be free to pursue those communities that best represent their values, which is a far cry then living in an ice cave.

The best ideas will win public acceptance, and transparency will allow these best ides to propagate from community to community (i.e. state-to-sate). This is in contrast to a centralized government saying what is best for everyone. If not given the freedom to explore, experiment, and measure results from ideas, how do we know what the centralized government prescribes is best?

That is not to say there is not a role for centralized government, but it should not be the dominate decision maker.

For example, the majority in Maine wish to pursue a progressive social agenda that I don’t agree with, I can pick up my belongings and move to a state that is more in line with my values.

Doesn’t that better model the constitution (i.e. pursue of happiness) than forcing the minority to live under tyranny of the majority? This applies to a plurality of topics from same sex marriage, healthcare, welfare, etc...

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Ronald, At some point that

Ronald,

At some point that assessment comes down to options. Perhaps we should agree there is destruction from both major parties, and work on minimizing the government’s ability to cause such destruction, like shrink the size and scope of government.

BTW, where is you companion, Dan Breton?

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A clear line between

A clear line between communism or socialist only exist in textbooks. In real life, it is a sliding scale of gray. There are some things, such as road and basic education and sanitation, for which communities pool recourse to provide with pretty much 100% agreement.

In between the ostensible benefits to the community, such as those mentioned about, and the classical textbook definition of communism or socialism are many shades of gray. That is where we are today in the US, and it is propagated under the guise of “good for the community”.

There is a clear point at which your version of good and my version of good depart. It is at that point people start to lose freedoms.

For example, we could say that a given diet and exercise program is good for the community, so we require all to participate. While it may be good for the community, we have taken away freedoms. At what point do we say enough is enough?

Lastly, the best chance of having a ruling class free of influence is to make it as small as possible. I find broad agreement that bigger government is more susceptible to graft and corruption, but yet people immediately turn to government looking for solutions, such as you, that is perplexing.

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Less government is better!

Less government is better!

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So you should agree with my

So you should agree with my assertion that smaller government is better government since the destruction is caused by both major parties?

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Yes, and put it into the

Yes, and put it into the hands of an out of control government, who has no track record of fraud waste and abuse – yea.

Note that Medicare fraud cost the taxpayer about $60 Billion a year, and let’s not forget all the lost dollars investing in green energy.

I really can’t comprehend the blind trust people have in government, but I guess that is easier than thinking for one’s self.

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Don’t count your chickens

Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. I’m sure Obama will do his best to buy as many votes as possible with taxpayer’s dollars, or should I say a subset of taxpayer’s dollars taken from those who are considered rich.

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Perhaps you should quantify

Perhaps you should quantify congressional approval ratings for the readers.

The sole of my shoe is higher than the street, but they are both still pretty low.

Isn’t congressional approval somewhere around 14%?

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(-) Since passage, support

(-) Since passage, support has eroded because of the above and other reasons, to the present when a "healthy" majority wants it repealed.

Perhaps people are just now getting to read it.

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“If we embrace such

“If we embrace such socialistic notions as Medicare and Social Security, for which all of us pay, what is wrong with the notion of a national health plan?”

According to a 2010 report written by Emilee Mooney Scott, a Legislative Fellow, medicare alone has an unfunded liability of over $13.4 Trillion.

Does this nation want, or can this nation tolerate economically another program that it cannot fund?

Perhaps my attitude about nationalized healthcare would be different if I felt the Government was more competent at managing these programs.

Lastly, ask yourself if you would enjoy a marginal tax rate of 60-70% to fund this program?

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Don’t get too excited. The

Don’t get too excited. The article also states the following: “The insurance industry says consumers should take little comfort from the rebates, because the companies expect premiums to go up overall as a result of new benefits and other requirements of the new law.”

Government manipulation in any market segment usually means higher prices or lower quality for the consumer. The takeaway is that to consumer will lose; anyhow, we’ll get to see history unfold won’t we.

By-the-way, who are you, Mark or Lil?

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Obama is currently at the

Obama is currently at the helm of that wind instrument, but both others have come before. We need to stop electing these blowhards.

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Beer cigarettes are not life

Beer cigarettes are not life necessities; there is absolutely no need for tax dollars to fund that kind of activity no matter how good it makes one feel, especially when the nation can afford it.

What you keep asserting, government assistance or hillbilly hellhole, is a false dichotomy. Local and individual charity will help those in need. Moreover, since the relationships are more personal, it will be easier to identify those who are gaming the system and those who are the neediest. Government is too big and too disconnected to accomplish such a task.

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One of my biggest concerns is

One of my biggest concerns is that if we are mandated to by healthcare insurance, a captive audience per say, what will prevent the insurance companies from raising prices more than they do now. It’s not like we’ll be able to walk away from the product if it becomes too expensive. Moreover, I don’t want some asshole, sorry, bureaucrat, in Washington DC telling me what I can and cannot afford. How can anyone call that brand of dictation freedom?

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Richard, Well said. Even the

Richard,

Well said. Even the house budget proposal does not go far enough albeit better than the current budget trajectory.

I’ve talked to eight graders who understand the current level of spending is not sustainable. Perhaps these kids have more wisdom that our representatives.

I’m completely perplexed why we cannot purge congress of the current way of thinking that deficits don’t matter. Perhaps Mike LeBlanc has provided the answer below.

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Jason, Ask yourself what is

Jason,

Ask yourself what is the difference between transferring a US dollar or a firearm to a foreign country? The US taxpayer is still out the equivalent monetary value.

Now if your argument is that the dollar is used to purchase the firearm from a US manufacture, the money still had to come from somewhere.

The fact is the dollar was take form the taxpayer, but no value is recovered by the general population. That is the original point of this discussion.

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“"wal*mart will parish if it

“"wal*mart will parish if it does not add value" is an assumption.”
I think this is more than an assumption, it is a daily occurrence. Let’s look at a simple example. Say I manufacture and (attempt) to sell typewriters in the year 2012. A typewriter has little to zero value in the age of compute technology. My operations add no value to the economy. Value can be directly measured in demand and revenue needed to sustain business operations – no value, no demand, no sales, I’m out of business.
A business must always transform to keep providing value or cease to exist. There are really no assumptions about it.
“Government and Business have two separate roles which should be judged on
different sets of values.”
Doesn’t this statement support may assertion that you should not compare a private business like wal*mart to government? I then gave you one example why such is true.
Eliminate what government has created through shared investment
(taxation and government spending) and Maine would be a wilderness without
any meaningful employment

Most of Maine is a wilderness. Government did not build most of the access roads to the wilderness; they were built by the logging industry. While government has a necessary albeit small role to foster economic growth, it has and continues to exceed its original scope.

To think that there would be no infrastructure without government funding is a fallacy. People would take the initiative and form common interest to get the job done. In fact, that is how government started in the first place, and like the typewriter, government will outlive its usefulness.

“Government should hire and employ the
unemployed up to say 10 million people today for short durations as the
economic situations require.”

So where will the money come from, especially settled with the current debt. The government has to raise taxes, borrow, or print money. The former displaces money from the private sector and there is no guarantee that those government jobs would add value. Suppose the government hired those people to build typewriters for example in 2012.

The later tactic to borrow or print money simply devalues the current dollar and makes goods and services more expensive.

It is exactly this line of thinking that has gotten the US and many European economies in dire strait. We are witnessing the results of that economic policy.

In closing, balancing budgets is not an extreme concept; it’s like a law of physics. Also keep in mind that government receives trillions of dollars each year, but the U.S. infrastructure is deteriorating. That in my opinion is a red flag that government perhaps is reaching the end of its value.

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So the Government prints or

So the Government prints or borrows money, gives it to a foreign entity, to spend here. Who still ends up paying – the taxpayer – more debt, deflated dollar? The dollar did transfer to the foreign entity in the form of what they bought. Value was transferred.

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Of course you have to mix the

Of course you have to mix the proper role of government to make your case, such as roads and national defense, with what many consider non-essential spending. If you measure efficiency by the rate in which the government spends, then perhaps you are right and government efficient at spending money.

However, if you measure efficiency in terms of producing more economic output, then the government does not do so well. Perhaps we did not need that road or bridge to nowhere or that new ship or plan. Perhaps I could have eaten a little better if my tax liability were less than paying for said projects. All you have to do is read the news to hear about the fraud and waste in government. That type of spending may help line someone’s pocket, but it does little to boost economic output.

For each person the government hires and for each project that government spends money on means that money is not available for the private sector. Comparing Wal*mart to the federal government is nonsensical since wal*mart will parish if it does not add value, that is not the case with government, they tend to tax and spend more.

In closing, I would asked the government to hire people into 100% employment if it is so efficient at creating jobs – wonder why the will never happen? Wouldn’t that be like inventing perpetual motion?

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Paul, I know of two people

Paul,
I know of two people who are abusing the system. They brag about having premium parking. Unfortunately, there is little we can do since they have medical approval. Perhaps the real blame should be with the Medical Doctors who are soft on this topic.

The running joke between my wife and I when we see apparently healthy people use the handicap spots is that the disability must be in the inside, alluding to some sort of mental depravity or suffering from political liberalism.

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But, but, but it is

But, but, but it is BBBBBBUUUSH’s fault said in a high-pitched squeaky tone.

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Smells like envy to me.

Smells like envy to me.

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Good for him, why do you have

Good for him, why do you have to be so jealous?

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Ronald, Let’s do some simple

Ronald,
Let’s do some simple arithmetic.

Lost revenue due to Bush tax cuts over a decade – about $1.35 Trillion or $135Million per year.

Budget deficit for one year is $1.6T.

One hundred and thirty-five million is much less than $1.6T.

One could have easily reduced spending that much to pay for the tax cuts, which both you and I benefited from.

MG

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Perhaps if you feel that

Perhaps if you feel that strongly you don’t have to work for any of these individuals. You are still free in this country to own and operate your own business.

You are still free (execpt when it comes to healthcare) to not purchase their goods and services.

Now go show them who’s boss.

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Ronald, The funny thing is

Ronald,
The funny thing is that you could take the entire nation’s wealth and evenly distribute amongst the population.

However, within short period thereafter, we would be back to the actual distribution shown on your chart.

The main reason is that your lemmings do not know how to manage money. That is, some people in invest in creating goods and services the lemmings will be more than willing to buy.

Then you’ll be back to blaming the successful.

Not everyone in the top 20% are crooks.

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Ronald, Now come on. We both

Ronald,
Now come on. We both know the US would still have enormous debt growth regardless of the Bush tax cuts.

I find it humorous that the discussion always goes back to Bush though.

Look at real leadership in this light. Say you go to the emergency room with a laceration. The ER doctor does not argue or place blame on how you acquired the laceration. The ER doctor commences fixing the problem.

A real leader would not play the blame game; he or she would work on fixing the problem.

Compromise in Washington equates to more spending and more taxes. There comes a time when compromise is not an option.

The government must shrink to have any hope of salvation.

Why do you think the government makes wise choses with that money anyhow?

Rome is burning and all you can think about is fornicating with my horse - bread and Circuses for all.

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Outcomes Matter

Ronald,
Instead of looking at incomes, we should focus on outcomes for outcomes matter.

Set that thought aside for a moment.

The biggest threat to this country is the national debt. Obama’s outcome is more debt – that is a given.

Perhaps Mitt will spend more, but at least we have a chance he will spend less.

Personally, I care more about the outcome rather than their income.

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This problem is pervasive

This problem is pervasive because there is little chance of getting fined for the reason you state. I tend to glare a people parked in handicap spot with no placard. On several occasions, I have been given the finger or offered a punch in the nose.
That speaks loads of the quality of these people.

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Ronald, As I read your

Ronald,

As I read your opinions over time, I have noticed you take these extreme examples and attempt to make the sound common every day occurrences. How many people during the same time period did work their way through college and became very successful – many?

You make it sound you cannot earn your way in this country unless you are born with money. Given the wealth distribution statistics you frequently post, the majority of us would say we are done just fine.

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That is unless you use

That is unless you use welfare to supplement another source of unreported income.

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Business Opportunity

Jason,

I smell a business opportunity for you. Teach GED qualification training for a cost lower than local colleges. That is if the state does not have prohibitive regulation that prevents you from doing so.

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Claire, How long should

Claire,
How long should society carry dead weight and at what expense? There is a point where you have to cut people lose.

Instead of looking to government for a solution to this problem as you frame it, you, with teaching background, can help the community with volunteer GED training.

Just because the government can’t or won’t solve a problem does not mean the people cannot. Moreover, the solution will likely be much more cost effective than government can provide. Perhaps you can turn this into a business to make some money - low cost GED training!

Now go seize the moment!

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Robert, I do agree with you

Robert,

I do agree with you when you say that there is little difference between both Democrats and Republicans.

People need to realize that government cannot create jobs. Sure they can hire people, but that is not creating jobs. That is spending tax dollars that you as a taxpayer could spend more efficiently.

If government cannot create jobs and they will not change, why would we, the US Citizen, want to send government more of our earnings?

I’m amazed that so many people feel as you do that nothing will change in Washington, but they still put faith with government to solve problems – amazing.

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You’ve been silent lately. I

You’ve been silent lately. I hope all is well.

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Now, now, that is just a

Now, now, that is just a matter of opinion. Let’s look at this piecewise:
“We should have a rich, healthy government working for the citizens, NOT the
corporations who offshore jobs and pay no taxes.”
Is it not these same corporations that lobby government to establish trade policies to enable off -shoring? Also, your premise assumes the government works in the best interest of its citizens. This is not the case in my opinion when you look a those trade policies that enable outsourcing. I have not fallacy that the government is altruistic.
We need regulations that benefit working folks, not CEOs in ivory towers.
Who establishes regulations - Government? Again, given your need for regulation implies the government has failed in that department.

“Regulations that ensure we get clean food and water.” Is your drinking water clean or not? If it is clean, then no more regulation is needed. Maine’s water shed is the cleanest in decades. One may argue that our food supply is becoming less clean, so increased regulation is no help there.

“But you would have us go backwards instead of forward.” That is your opinion. I would venture to stay it is unenlightened to think more government is always better. If a government is corrupt, is it not better to have a smaller one? All your crony capitalism requires the government accomplice. Be careful for what you wish. Ask yourself since when has government made a situation better?

In closing, I’m not republican (i.e GOP), just someone that realizes government does not have all the answers. Both major parties are selling us into slavery to the highest bidder. There is nothing wrong with prunes, or better called dried plums.

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1. There is clearly a line

1. There is clearly a line where taxes become punitive and destructive. That line shall be draw on an individual bases. You as an individual have a limit. How many pennies on the dollar are you willing to give the government? The other fallacy in your line of thought is that you are assuming the government will spend the money it collects wisely. One just has to look at today’s corporate interest competing and winning those dollars to see what will happen if more money is sent to Washington, there is no guarantee that country will be strengthened in the end. As an example, just look at the national debt. You can confiscate all the income of the top 1% and that will not even put a dent in the dept. That is not a position of strength. Remember, all humans are subject to greed, what makes the people in government any different.
2. I guarantee that those who labor for their ricks knows where the money come and goes, especially if you definition of rich is $250K and up. All this business about progressive taxation is has little or nothing to do about success. Moreover, of one loves to pay taxes, they are welcome to pay more than they owe. Funny how I’ve never heard anyone doing so… why is that?
3. Perhaps that is the problem with progressives, what you earn is mine? Property values should be absolute. We all have a point that we’ll stop working to pay others through taxation.
4. By definition, all pay the same rate under a flat tax system, which can be expressed with mathematical precision – TAX = RATE*INCOME. Income redistribution is not a tax. Moreover, is has more to do with government policy than the rich stealing form lower income earners. Government policy has accelerated globalization. To that end, your fight should be with the government, not the rich.
5. Perhaps money is a vehicle for corruption and buys government favors today, but that is not the root cause. The root cause is giving power to the government over our lives, which leads to completion for favors to be bought and sold. If you abolish money, but not government, favors will still be bartered from the government. If you abolish government, but not money, there are no favors to be bought. This is only a hypothetical example that shows extremes and the existence of government to be bought.
In closing, it is not the rich that should concern you. What should concern you is your government selling our freedom to the highest bidder. That said, why would we give government more power over our lives.

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I respectfully disagree on

I respectfully disagree on many points.
1. According to the tax foundation, the bottom 50% of federal tax payers contribute 2.3% of the total tax revenue, which is virtually nothing [ref http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/28007.html]
2. Moreover, the top 10% pay more than 70% of the overall revenue – isn’t that fair enough? However, people are demanding more.
3. All men should have equal opportunity, not guaranteed results. For example, if I work 80hrs a week, and comparatively make more than someone who works 40hrs a week, why should I be penalized? I traded my time for dollars, so why should someone be entailed to my earnings? That is a moral issue in itself. Is that fair?
4. If the wealthiest use the government to their advantage, which I’m not denying, your punishment via tax code will not work for by your own admission, the rich control government. Another solution is needed, is it not? Perhaps smaller government, or a flat tax, no deductions for personal income.
5. In closing, I would assert your definition of equality is subjective and vulnerable to human vagaries, such as greed. Greed is not only reserved for the wealthy. Moreover, there is a large swath of people the fall in your definition of rich that work may hour and make many sacrifices that others may not. For example, I know some well to do people that have not taken a vacation in 20 years, how is it fair to steal the sacrifices they made in the name of economic equality.
6. Lastly, let me ask a personal question. Why do you despise the more well to do?

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I respectfully disagree on

I respectfully disagree on many points.
1. According to the tax foundation, the bottom 50% of federal tax payers contribute 2.3% of the total tax revenue, which is virtually nothing [ref http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/28007.html]
2. Moreover, the top 10% pay more than 70% of the overall revenue – isn’t that fair enough? However, people are demanding more.
3. All men should have equal opportunity, not guaranteed results. For example, if I work 80hrs a week, and comparatively make more than someone who works 40hrs a week, why should I be penalized? I traded my time for dollars, so why should someone be entailed to my earnings? That is a moral issue in itself. Is that fair?
4. If the wealthiest use the government to their advantage, which I’m not denying, your punishment via tax code will not work for by your own admission, the rich control government. Another solution is needed, is it not? Perhaps smaller government, or a flat tax, no deductions for personal income.
5. In closing, I would assert your definition of equality is subjective and vulnerable to human vagaries, such as greed. Greed is not only reserved for the wealthy. Moreover, there is a large swath of people the fall in your definition of rich that work may hour and make many sacrifices that others may not. For example, I know some well to do people that have not taken a vacation in 20 years, how is it fair to steal the sacrifices they made in the name of economic equality.
6. Lastly, let me ask a personal question. Why do you despise the more well to do?

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Just remember that fairness

Just remember that fairness is a two-way street. Is it fair for 50% of tax filers pay no federal income taxes? True fairness would mean they pay proportional to their income.

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Steve, For every one of those

Steve,
For every one of those letters there are many, many success stories, and I’m not talking about the 1%’ers either, how could that be?

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Jonathan, Don’t forget that

Jonathan,

Don’t forget that dividends are already taxed at the corporate tax rate prior to distribution to the shareholders. Today the top corporate tax rate is 35%. Thereafter, those same dollars are taxed again at the ordinary or qualified dividend rate.

If you support fairness, then you surely support only taxing that money once. Is that a correct assumption?

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Ray, All that you to do is

Ray,
All that you to do is look at AMT to validate your argument.

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I keep repeating this same

I keep repeating this same old song. The only way to fix this problem is to trivialize government. The fewer regulations and money government controls, the fewer controls they have over citizens.

But until then, we have the best government money can buy.

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There you go again. I used

There you go again. I used Reagan as an example of a good communicator that had the finesse to influence public opinion. However, you change the topic - nothing more, nothing less.

All that you need to do is agree or disagree that Reagan was a good communicator to stay on topic.
In that context, yes I want to bring up Reagan, and I’m sure you can keep the apples from mixing with the oranges.

If you want to discuss Reagan’s spending policy, then start a new topic.

In closing, you should use data that is up to date. Currently the national debt is greater than GDP. Year 2009 is old news.

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Nothing that Gabrielle

Nothing that Gabrielle proposes contributed to shorter live spans of our ancestors. In fact, eating more unprocessed foods may improve your quality of life as we age.

Gabrielle makes valid points - think it through.

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Ben, Perhaps you can provide

Ben,
Perhaps you can provide the readers with at least one example of bullying.

Is the Governor really bullying, or are you just unhappy that you are not getting your way?

Please inform us.

Please give us one or more examples, so we can better understand our assertion.

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Only Outcomes Matter - nothing else.

The president does have vote power, as I previously mentioned. He can tell Congress that he will not sign a budget into law, unless it cuts the deficit by, say, 10%. He can veto said budget, can he not?

Now of course his veto can get overridden, but not standing ground is, IMHO, a clear lack of leadership in solving the spending problem. But then, we both know Obama has no interest in cutting spending.
Obama is also the commander and chief. He has sole power to unwind the Iraq conflict much faster than he did, saving trillions of dollars, again he did not.

If you like cartoon analogies, perhaps you should fancy yourself as wonder woman trying to deflect the crux of the issue with our superfluous data.

All that you need to know about the national debt is that when you went to bed last night, the national debt was X, this morning it is X+Y. That trend is not sustainable, and the President can influence spending through veto power and more importantly leadership; take former President Reagan for example. He had the ability to influence public opinion and the congressional agenda.
Perhaps you should think about entering politics, you’re good at spewing superfluous facts, but ever accomplishing anything.

In closing, remember that only outcomes matter!

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As president, Obama has the

As president, Obama has the power to change direction in spending – it is called the veto. At some point, you can no longer blame Bush.

As a leader, Obama is fully culpability for spending during his administration, period – the buck stops with him. He controls his signature on bills.

Obama - be a leader, take responsibility, and take action.
It is time to grow a pair and realize that Obama controls the hand that guides his signature – stop blaming the previous administration.

In 2008, the national debt was about 70% of GDP. In 2011, it surpassed 100% of GDP. Again, Obama had the power to change that trend, but he did not.

In my opinion, if the President can do nothing but point his finger, it is a sign he has no solution. A true leader, simply identifies the problem, and proposes the solution. They don’t whine and blame others.

Obama’s behavior does not exhibit leadership; it is time to get real and fix the damn sending problem.
To placate your politics, let me say that I did not agree with Bush’s spending polices either. That said, I did not bring up Bush until now for his time has passed. Obama’s time is present; it is time to shut up and fix the damn spending problem

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How come my wallet gets

How come my wallet gets pilfered anytime government has a vision?

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The entire situation

The entire situation exemplifies Obama’s arrogance. Thank goodness for separation of powers.

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"Why? Why would they do what

"Why? Why would they do what they do?"

Money, that is why. There is a demand, there will be a supply.

A war on prostitution is no different than a war on drugs – both will never be won.

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Representative Hinck, Just to

Representative Hinck,

Just to be clear, can I assume that Sen. Craven was on unpaid leave or using vacation time when she traveled to Washington D.C.?

Or was she still receiving compensation form the State at that time?

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Born and raised in Lisbon –

Born and raised in Lisbon – good enough?

What does this question have to do with this opinion piece?

All that said, you really need to let this issue of where I live go. It really makes for boring discussions and it is really none of your business.

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This is just one of many

This is just one of many examples why we all should support smaller government. My popular analogy is that government is like owning a dog. Big dogs make big piles, little dogs make little piles. Little piles are easier to manage.
Fix the problem at the source – get a smaller government.

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Ed, I understand the point

Ed,
I understand the point that you making. That said, this issue has moved past merits of the law. The issue is now whether or not we want to give government power to mandate we buy goods or services from the private sector. For me, the answer is NO.
You should ask yourself why Obama too this approach rather than simply raise taxes, which would have been constitutional.

We should never stand idle when government violates the constitution.

Your argument indicates the end justifies the means – well, it doesn’t, and it shouldn’t.

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Happy Birthday Al

Happy Birthday Al

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Dan, R, D, I, L, or other, we

Dan,

R, D, I, L, or other, we all must oppose bigger government.

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Ed, “I don't care about

Ed,
“I don't care about whether or not it's "technically" constitutional or not…”

We’ll some of us do for once precedence is set mandating one to buy a product, it is impossible to undo it.

Once we add up all the costs imposed due to mandates, such as insuring preexisting conditions, expanded coverage, tax credits for the poor (which will be about the bottom 50% of taxpayers according to the bill’s formula), I’m not sure that you’ll really be paying less. This is not to mention all those unknown new mandates that are sure to come. I’m sure the healthcare industry will lobby to expanded coverage, especially if we all are forced to pay for it.

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Ed, No need to be confused.

Ed,

No need to be confused. The Congress has constitutional authority to levy taxes. It does not have constitutional authority to mandate economic activity, as the Supreme Court will affirm. It may not seem like a big difference to you, but it would set an unwelcome precedence if left unchallenged.

If Congress and the President would have simply levied taxes, we would not be having this discussion. That being said, the President knew people would have little tolerance for new taxes, so he tried deception.

This deception will perhaps be his demise, as it should be for overstepping constitutional authority.

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Ken, Perhaps you can cite

Ken,

Perhaps you can cite examples, based on recorded data, of erratic temperatures? Or is this just your feeling?

Air pollution, in general, is a broad term. I’ll assume you are primarily talking about C02 emissions.

Climate (pre-historic and recorded) has and is always changing, so how can you expect to stabilize it?

Perhaps Maine can benefit from a bit of global warming, especially through the winter months. Moreover, how do Climate change proponents explain why surface temperatures have been relatively flat for the past decade?

Lastly, have you given up driving your automobile yet?

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Dan, Being an outside

Dan,
Being an outside observer, you do your share of bullying, don’t you think?

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Ronald, It has become a

Ronald,
It has become a tradition.

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Good thing that I have two

Good thing that I have two eyes then : )

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I'm so ashamed

Have we become that dumb as a Nation where we need a government agency to guide us?

We live in an age of advanced technology. Doesn’t one simply jump on the internet and research salary information? This information is so readily available one would be foolish not to make use of it.

If the average starting salary for an attorney is, say, $50,000.00 per year, cannot any individual bright enough to qualify for a law program determine if it is worth borrowing $200,000?

I’m really ashamed to be an American if we are that stupid. Perhaps this is just another example of a failed school system. Do we even teach about compounding interest in high school anymore?

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“FACT, permits to drill in

“FACT, permits to drill in the Gulf are taking about 15 days longer than when President Obama took office, 45 days versus 30 days. However, since the BP oil fiasco, the extra two weeks is worth it.”

Who cares about the duration? What is total number of permits being issued?

Isn’t better to issue 3x the permits at 30 days longer or 1x at 15 days longer? Your fact has no correlation to oil production (i.e. Barrels of domestic production per day.).

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“FACT, Keystone has NOTHING

“FACT, Keystone has NOTHING to do with domestic production, it is about getting Canadian oil refined and exported to foreign markets.”

Dan, isn’t getting more crude oil on the global market a good thing? Yes oil markets are global, but the supply and demand curve does not care.

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Who gives a ! Ronald

Who gives a !

Ronald fiddles along with congress as the U.S. burns in debt (100% of GDP and growing). Way to take your eye off the ball.

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The tax rate alone does not

The tax rate alone does not paint the full picture. Tax revenue has been pretty flat, about 15-20% of GDP, over the last 3 decades while spending as a percent of revenue as gone from about 25% to 38%.

Revenue flat, spending is up. Looks like a spending issue to me.

In closing, the tax-rate does not matter, revenue matters. Revenue takes into account other adjustments in the tax code, such as deductions and credits.

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Who is the greedy one?

Who is the greedy one?

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As a nation, we have been

As a nation, we have been living beyond our means for some time. There are economic laws that persist (from 50 + years) regardless of have creative you get trying to hide the truth. It is time to bring our standard of living in line with what we can afford.

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The people earning over

The people earning over $250,000 are already paying the majority of government revenue, but you already know that. Perhaps you don’t know your passage makes you sound just as greedy as the super rich…give me, give me, give me all while neglecting the Federal government is broke; even all the riches wealth will not solve that problem.

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“Wall street speculators do

“Wall street speculators do not NEED to earn millions driving up the price of gas for no good reason”

So what do you do about the other global markets? Futures can be bought and sold globally, not just Wall-Street.

A heated futures market means buyers at betting that gasoline demand will increase or supply will decrease. Dumping supply on the market will move prices down. Similarly, removing demand, for example supporting natural gas as a gasoline alternative, will also put downward pressure on prices.

One thing is certain, not action will produce any change.

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The only plan to help America

The only plan to help America is to spend less. Balance that Damn budget!

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All excuses, no action.

“Gas and oil prices are controlled by the global economy and speculators, not by a president.”
Does not the President influence the largest segment of the global economic? Stop making excuses for your Government.
“It would be many years before the oil is available.”
Yea, so you better start drilling now to be preparing for the future – don’t you think? This excuse always stops short of the follow-on; that is, the saturation is not going to get better, so what is wrong with taking action now. Ten years from now you’ll be saying the same old line.

“there would likely have been a complete collapse of the nation’s financial system.”
There was an alternative. Force these banks into bankruptcy to make them restructure, and provide low interest guarantees to kept assets liquid. Moreover, nothing has really changed, so I expect to be back in this situation again.

Lastly, we are still on the fast-track to complete collapse. The Federal government is spending the nation into bankruptcy. The Ryan budget proposal, which is the most aggressive, will not balance the budget until the year 2023. This is crazy. When you put the budget problem in perspective, there is NO room to compromise.

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Perhaps we should ban

Perhaps we should ban automobiles for where there are more automobiles there are more accidental deaths related to automobiles; isn’t a bigger problem? Wouldn’t that save more lives?

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Yes, I would dispute it since

Yes, I would dispute it since the correct analog should be comparing needing a voter ID to needing an ID to purchase a weapon. Predicate to action needs an ID in both cases.

Conceal carry is not an ID, it is a permission slip. Perhaps we should require all voters to have permission slips to vote – that would be a matching analog.

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Yes, and that is why conceal

Yes, and that is why conceal carry does little to deter gun violence. Only the honest comply.

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Yes, Yes, and still do for my

Yes, Yes, and still do for my Mom.

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Yes, if and only if one

Yes, if and only if one applies for an ID and the process is held up for an indeterminate long period of time.
Once you have an ID though, then there should be no impediment to voting – correct?
Moreover, it is more prudent to deal with issues that are occurring than those that are only speculated to occur.
Lastly, if I truly needed to protect myself, a lack of conceal carry would not prevent me from doing so. It is always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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Yes, if and only if one

Yes, if and only if one applies for an ID and the process is held up for an indeterminate long period of time.

Once you have an ID though, then there should be no impediment to voting – correct?

Moreover, it is more prudent to deal with issues that are occurring than those that are only speculated to occur.

Lastly, if I truly needed to protect myself, a lack of conceal carry permit would not prevent me from doing so. It is always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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Paul, Why be sensible when

Paul,
Why be sensible when perhaps the real purpose is to inhibit or discourage applicants. Otherwise conceal carry would not require a permit.

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Dan, If you like the ARTs,

Dan,
If you like the ARTs, support it with you own money. Don’t force others to support this non-essential activity.

Believe me, artiest will continue to create art without government funding.

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Richard, Firstly, you fail to

Richard,

Firstly, you fail to show proof that the Neanderthal taxed each other in some form to provide resources for cave-painting activities. Perhaps that is what some Neanderthal did to pass the time.

The ARTs, as a creative medium, will continue to exist without government funding. We have limited resources and issues of much higher precedence than funding the arts.

In closing, ZERO dollars should be taken from the taxpayer to fund the ARTs. If you cannot sustain your cave-painting activities in the free market, well, that tells you what value society places on your cave-paintings.

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Perhaps the public school

Perhaps the public school system fears people would leave in droves for a better education, and they would not be able to fund a broken system if the money goes with the student.

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First, I would like to

First, I would like to reiterate Ernest Labbe’s comment below. Since Maine has a relatively high gun ownership rate per capita, that could be one reason for lower violent crime rates.

Second, you are comparing apples to oranges when you cite gun ownership statistics in Maine, but cite gun mishaps from states other than Maine. Compared to Maine gun ownership statistics, Maine has a low number of gun mishaps. But I guess you knew that since you had to pull examples from outside the state of Maine to make your story viable.

Lastly, all the facts in the in last week’s Florida incident are still unclear, so implying that Mr. Zimmerman was itching to use his gun may be a bit premature. You could be right, but we know you don’t know all the facts yet, so perhaps you should refrain from using that information in this context.

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Marcus Hook and Philadelphia,

Marcus Hook and Philadelphia, PA refineries.

Natural gas is fine for heating and for use in vehicles albeit natural gas has fewer BTUs per gallon than gasoline.

Like my home, many homes in this country are heated with natural gas every year without incident.
Many developing countries prefer Natural gas over gasoline because the cost per litre is much less. So you’ll say name one – Thailand for example.

Perhaps it is the fear of the unknown that inhibits you from exploring alternatives to traditional heating oil or gasoline. In that case, you’ll just have to live with the high cost of energy.

This president, much like the last one, has no national energy policy.

I personally think it would be a good thing for refineries to have competition, would you?

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“Companies are closing

“Companies are closing refineries in the nation's most lucrative fuel market so they can jack the price up even more.”

Are you sure about this assertion? Some of these refineries have been producing fuel since the early 1900’s.

I found some sources saying EPA regulations make them too expensive to upgrade these refineries.

Again, natural gas would provide for the necessary competition to drive down prices. The President can play a key role in making this happen.

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Claire, In your example, the

Claire,
In your example, the market and private industry determined when shale production was cost effective; advances in extraction technology and rising oil prices have now made it a viable alternative.

What I see coming from this administration are tactics to make an immature technology ubiquitous by artificially driving up energy cost – pretty much straight from Energy Secretary’s mouth.
We should exploit domestic energy production and let the market decide when to transition to alternative energy and from which source.

In closing, use natural gas as a gasoline replacement - it will be much cheaper.

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Dan, You are correct in that

Dan,

You are correct in that the President “DEOS NOT” affect oil prices, but he would if he so chose to act.
I give two examples above.

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Yes the President can

Yes the President can influence the price at the pump. As Mr. Rhoades points out in his opinion piece, oil is a global commodity, and as such, it is subject to supply and demand pressures.

There are two ways a sitting President can lower the price if this commodity:

1. Increase supply by drilling for more oil.
2. Decrease its usage.

The President has inhibited domestic drilling; therefore, he is actually contributing to higher prices. He is definitely not interested in shifting the supply curve.

The President could champion using natural gas as an automobile fuel alternative, which could decrease demand for gasoline and therefore crude oil. The President could start replacing Washington’s automobile fleet with natural gas powered vehicles as they come up for replacement as a start. I should note that the U.S. is the Saudi Arabia of natural gas.

I have outline only two methods for a sitting President to influence prices at the pump. They are straight forward and reasonable to achieve. Now with all that said, how can someone claim the President cannot affect gasoline prices at the pump – the sitting President can but chooses not to act.

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Too bad we cannot put “none

Too bad we cannot put “none of the above” as a ballot choice.

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Paul, I agree; perhaps I

Paul,
I agree; perhaps I should have affirmed the ostensible – sometimes I just take the obvious for granted.

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Dan, You rarely give

Dan,

You rarely give complements so that means a lot.

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I’ll admit to begin paid by

I’ll admit to begin paid by the Koch brothers when you admit being probed by aliens.

Until then, I’ll assert my opinion is my own. Moreover, I welcome your challenges. Life would be a bit boring otherwise.

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The CBO can only make an

The CBO can only make an estimate on the lies - sorry – data provided by congress.

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Dan, So you admit by

Dan,

So you admit by implication that my comments make sense. Thank you.

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Paul, There are times when

Paul,

There are times when you must ignore immature behavior. It will not be long before his thoughts focus on someone else.

Anyway, I’m not sure how many people try to decipher Dr. Dosh’s comments anymore; it is difficult at times.

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Dan, Isn’t simplistic just to

Dan,

Isn’t simplistic just to say it is self evident and go on about your business – have you always taken the path of least resistance?

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Good for you...

Good for you...

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Betty, First, CBO has a 100%

Betty,
First, CBO has a 100% miss rate when it comes to projecting costs of large programs, mainly because congress usually grows the program from its original intent.

Secondly, the terms deficit reduction is a misused term in Washington. The $200Billion in deficit reduction simply means that the government has reduced their projected increase – that means nothing.

Lastly, I recommend balancing your reading with opposing points of view. The URL you provide is government propaganda – just trust and verify.

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The only way to solve this

The only way to solve this problem is to have smaller government. That is, let’s have fewer public servants.

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Show us the proof!

Show us the proof!

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Yea, and Obama calls his

Yea, and Obama calls his healthcare plan affordable – go figure. When you put perfume on a turd, you still have, well, a turd.

Results mater – not names.

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While some poor stiff is

While some poor stiff is working his/her tail off to pay taxes, Ronald eats prime rib at the taxpayer’s expense.

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Well, you do got that hair

Well, you do got that hair thing going.

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Way to export your

Way to export your high-spending politician to now damage the nation. Too bad these people will not just go the way of the dinosaur – extinct.

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Claire, Let me respond in

Claire,

Let me respond in reverse order. Nothing in live is guaranteed that is why one must diversify as much as possible. For example, an old employer of mine had a pension plan. Knowing that nothing in life is guaranteed, I made additional investments in a ROTH IRA. Guess what, my pension plan disappeared, but I still have my ROTH.

I remained in the market throughout 2008 and accelerated my investments in the down market. The market has sprung back and I’m all the better for it. Could I end up losing – yes, but I took some of those gains and again diversified - I financed two rental properties that generate passive income.

Life never stops taking punches, so never stop ducking. Now I agree with you that there are undesirable behaviors in the market, and in government for that fact, but I believe that I’m still ahead.

I view both Wall Street and my government as mobsters that I must pay off to get ahead ever so slightly. It is simply in my DNA to keep plugging ahead.

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Ronald, That is not unusual

Ronald,

That is not unusual for they know the value of money and keeping it in their own pocket, nothing wrong with that behavior. A good lesson that I learned over time is that all prices are negotiable.

I even have a 50% success rate negotiating prices with Walmart. Consider a package of underwear that has been opened and taped up – who wants to pay full price when I can pick up a package that is pristine right next to it.

Find the manager and make an offer. This does not always work, but it keeps me in inexpensive underwear.

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Oh, I failed to mention the

Oh, I failed to mention the other fundamental difference. Once you spent all your money, and I saved mine, you would look to me, call me greedy, and want my money. That pretty much sums it up.

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Claire, You are not unlike

Claire,
You are not unlike most people when it comes to money.

Just read your post. Your first thought turns to how you are going to spend your newly acquired wealth.

My first thought is how can I turn this into more money, like buy two rental properties and invest the remainder in Vanguard GNMA bond fund; note that $500,000.00 is not very much these days, especially when our health sours with age.

This is the fundamental difference in thinking that sets people apart when it comes to finances.

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Claire, At the end of the

Claire,
At the end of the day, the only thing we all have here are opinions. I actually do hear what other people are saying; most of it is excuses why they cannot do something.

For example, if you could have saved about $250.00 a month for the better part of your adult life and invested that in an IRA, you probably would have close to $500,000.000 when you entered retirement.

That is only $62.50 per week.

Now let’s hear the excuses why you could not do that.

The sad thing about it is that people sacrificed and saved, get screwed in the end. How? The obsession with printing money devalues a whole life’s worth of savings.
Now where is the equality?

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Ten bucks says see would be

Ten bucks says see would be back in the same situation as she is now since she has failed to learn how to make money work in her self interest. She would be singing different tune if she know how to create wealth.

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Paul, You are correct. Funny

Paul,
You are
correct. Funny how some people can’t see that is the case. They keep thinking their guy is different. Perhaps they are okay with it when they are on the receiving end, and not okay when they are not on the receiving end.

Until more people see the truth, nothing will change.

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Perhaps we are at a

Perhaps we are at a historical crossroad. Which direction are we going to take the country – into bankruptcy or slowly back into solvency?

We both know where we each stand on the issue.
There is no room for compromise, or should I say there is no money for compromise.

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Mark, In your rant, I’m

Mark,
In your rant, I’m unclear who you are talking about Bush or Obama. In my opinion, there is little difference between the two when it comes to spending.

They both are stealing American’s savings by monetizing thier debt.

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Dan, We are a representative

Dan,

We are a representative republic, not a democracy. The system was established as a republic to prevent public opinion from trampling the rights of the minority. The filibuster is proof the system is working well.

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Over reaction – how else to

Over reaction – how else to justify more salary, benefits, and toys. The small town I live in funds a swat team and buys bomb robots, and for what - just because they got a federal grant. The town never needed either of them in the past.

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Yawn…

Yawn…

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Maine is one of the highest

Maine is one of the highest taxed states in the union. To that, add the lack of well paying jobs. Instead of demanding others pay my way, I got off my ass and relocated to earn a better living.

Maine is still my birth State, and I may return some day if the state can get its act together.

Lastly, you should kiss the ground I and others like me walk on for it is our labor that funds your social programs. Just remember who is paying the bills – get too greedy and oppressive with the tax code, some of us may decide to stop contributing. There is a limit to what we allow the government to take - remember that.

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“The Maine Republican Party

“The Maine Republican Party thinks government intervention and price oversight are unnecessary in a competitive market, and that health insurance premiums are self-regulating.”

Your argument is premised on a free market, which does not exist today. This is government’s fault for mandating care and blocking out-of-state providers, protecting local markets.

Moreover, as long as no one has skin in the game, people will not force competitiveness in the market place. For example, if I only have to pay a $20.00-$40.00 co-pay, why should I care about the overall expense? Why should I seek lower cost, equally effective, alternatives?

Look at what competition has done for the affordability of elective cosmetic surgery or Lasik eye correction surgery.

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Ronald, The fortunate part of

Ronald,

The fortunate part of this discussion is that I don’t have you for a neighbor. Remember that video cameras are ubiquitous – hope you get caught on one if you’re stupid enough to pull a stunt like this.

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Ronald, Unfortunately roofing

Ronald,
Unfortunately roofing nails don’t discriminate between speeders and non-speeders. Moreover, you could severely injure someone, such as forcing a blowout on a motorcycle rider.

This is not a very bright suggestion on your part.

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Dan, There are simply not

Dan,

There are simply not enough resources to care of all of the social ills. We don’t live in a perfect world, so 24 months of treatment on the taxpayer sounds generous in my honest opinion. We will always have a percentage of our population fall through the cracks. That is, in some sense, the natural course of events. Anything else is analogous to a mathematical asymptote – never reachable.

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Yes we want to save money.

Yes we want to save money. Let’s face reality; there is just not enough tax revenue to take care of all the social ills under ideal circumstances. That being said, limits have to be introduced to bound expenses. The alternative is to provide no methadone treatment. Like it or not, these are the constraints we have to deal with.

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Tony, there are other

Tony, there are other alternatives than forcing the bill on Joe taxpayer:
1. Establish a minimum payment plan.
2. Attach future tax returns.
3. Examine tax returns to determine if these individuals could have, but did not purchase insurance. If this is the case, attach the individual’s wages.
4. Organize local charities to take donations to help these individuals.

Another observation that we should consider is that anytime we have a program to help the needy – the needy seem grow in numbers – always.

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Larry, I agree with you. Now

Larry,

I agree with you. Now make way for the “blame it on Bush” crowd. Either way, the current state of affairs is testimony to Obama’s inability to effect policy that moves America in the right direction, no matter who you attempt to blame.

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First, I’m not sure I know

First, I’m not sure I know what you mean by “you guys”. I can only speculate you’re stereotyping again, and based on previous rants, you are referring to Republicans – I assume. My political affiliation is more aligned with Libertarian Party than anything else.

Secondly, class warfare started with the introduction of the progressive tax code. It has migrated to a point where about 50% of taxpayers pay little to no federal tax. Recent advances in the opposite direction are just a normal correct to a system that is out of balance.

A fairer tax system would equate to a flat tax on earned income, no-deductions. Just put yourself in the shoes of a large majority of us who work 80+ hours a week. Why would I work so hard just to hand over my earnings to the Government? I certainly don’t want too.

Just remember the majority of us who pay the bill are not rich. There will come a time when we refuse to pay – mark my word. The underground economy will become our best friend! Then who will be left to pay the bill? If you don’t believe me, just study how Greece’s underground economy developed.

Now go earn your food for today!

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There you go again Dan,

There you go again Dan, playing class envy. The math could not have been simpler – across the board tax cut – you payless in taxes, you benefit less from the tax cut. It is really that simple.

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Let us consider this idea as

Let us consider this idea as a possible solution. The taxpayer will fund contraceptives for all who request them; however, this means you can never receive child welfare. The premise being that one will not get pregnant and therefore not ever have a need for child welfare if the accept the free contraceptives.

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Occam’s Razor – among

Occam’s Razor – among competing hypotheses, the simplest is usually correct.

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Patti, I’ll support our right

Patti,

I’ll support our right to freedom as long as you don’t ask me to pay for your contraception etc.

If you insist that the taxpayer foot bill, I will support mandated invasive anal probes as part of any government funded healthcare procedure just to give you a taste of what the government does to me every April 15th.

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“The big lie right now is big

“The big lie right now is big government. Everything free is eventually paid for by, guess who, the taxpayers.”

Not all the taxpayers pay. Only the upper 50% of the taxpayers foot the bill for the federal government.

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I can see how you think that

I can see how you think that way if your world is entitlements. On the flip side, it is renaissances to those who foot the bill.

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Your statement is predicated

Your statement is predicated on the assumption that we are spending prudently. I’m game for Clinton era tax rates if and only if we get Clinton era federal budgets.

Here is a good read for you:

Why taxing the rich will not balance the budget.

http://discussions.agweb.com/showthread.php?12384-Why-taxing-the-rich-wi....

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Cutting funding is how you

Cutting funding is how you get smaller Government. It is called starving the beast.

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Perhaps Connor Lasco did not

Perhaps Connor Lasco did not consider an aluminum balloon could have short-circuited high-power lines? At least there was a note, so the power company would know where to send the repair bill.

This is one of those things that sounds cute until something goes wrong, like bring down the power grid.

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I applaud the women for doing

I applaud the women for doing what is right – kudos. Unfortunately the system is so broken, as you said, who knows if the error got corrected.

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Maybe it is Bush’s fault, and

Maybe it is Bush’s fault, and the new administration needs time to fix the big mess that last administration left.

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To be honest, government in

To be honest, government in general is so big, inefficient, and incompetent, it does not know where all the money goes.

It sounds like you are presenting a good argument for smaller government at all levels. I concur.

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Even though the situation you

Even though the situation you cite was an honest mistake, it needs to be corrected. Maine Care should have been reimbursed and the charge submitted the women’s insurance.

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I would also say that we are

I would also say that we are in a hole and digging deeper. Many people do not realize the enormity of the problem.

The economy, as is, is at artificially inflated due to the debt spending, and it will hurt all the more when the debt spending has to stop.

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“I can state that you are

“I can state that you are paying a lot less in taxes now”

Actually you’re wrong. Twenty years ago I was curious how much I paid in taxes when I included all taxes and fees, so I started keeping detailed records. Al though there has been some downward ticks, the straight line approximation indicates a positive slope of about 4% per year over the twenty year period.

I pay more taxes today, both as a percentage of income and in absolute dollars, than I did a decade ago.

This country is not going down the tubes because I work and pay taxes. It is going down the tubes because government at all levels is spending too much.

If you still think I’m part of the problem, perhaps I should retire, pay much less in taxes, and put myself on the receiving end – that will show them!

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Get over it! ObamaCare is a

Get over it!

ObamaCare is a widely used euphemize just like Reaganomis - just google it.

Perhaps someday you can stop playing the victim.

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I hope republicans continue

I hope republicans continue to cut taxes, because frankly, I’m tired of being asked to pay more every time I turnaround.

I can see how you think this is ruining the country if you’re on the receiving end. It is a bit of relief if you’re on the paying end of the deal. It is a bit demoralizing when I work 80 hrs. a week and lose a good portion of my labor to taxes. Perhaps you should try it some time to see what it is like – working and paying taxes.

Anyhow, government spending still seems to keep growing doesn’t it?

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We are living history, so

We are living history, so we’ll see what oBamaCare does to the cost of healthcare.

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The Nanny state is bound to

The Nanny state is bound to collapse; it is just a matter of when.

As the number of people receiving from the state increase and the number of people paying that tab decrease, there will come an inflection point where the people footing the bill had enough.

As revenues fall, the Government will have to raise the tax rate on everyone in an attempt to keep the machine going. At that point, we’ll see a surge in the underground economy.

If you think this cannot happen, all we have to do is look at the Greek economy.

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Wind energy is much less cost

Wind energy is much less cost effective than other traditional, so who pays?

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Hmm, the pill itself is

Hmm, the pill itself is fairly cheap; generic brand at Wal*Mart is about $13.00 per month for my wife – and that is unsubsidized by insurance, so.

All the angst over cost seems kind of contrived to support, perhaps, the point of view of one side in this argument.

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All of you are wrong. Obama’s

All of you are wrong. Obama’s actions are all about bigger government, more milk flowing form the government teat, and a wedge issue for the 2012 presidential election.

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Family planning goes beyond

Family planning goes beyond contraceptives. It is making sure that you have adequate resources and funds set aside for life’s contingencies. As a minimum, you should have saved enough to relocate for employment or sustain yourself for 6-12 months.

That being said, if you cannot or will not build a safety net prior to having children, then perhaps the government can provide “short-term” assistance then no more.

I provided you with a link to the national debt clock. Perhaps you can see how much the debt rises while you are contriving your next scenario.

Tick-Tick-Tick

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Would I permit the government

Would I permit the government to provide food stamps? Yes, if and only if the government can afford to provide them. Presently our federal government is borrowing $0.40 of every dollar spend. This behavior has been going on for decades with no signs of abatement. The alternative to providing fewer benefits is to keep borrowing and take the entire country through an even deeper economic crisis.

That being said, there are alternatives such as local charities and each of us personally chipping in without government involvement. We have better insight at the local level as to who are the neediest.

Would your preference be a or b. Well, you are setting up a false dichotomy; there are alternatives. We should have a local safety net with family first, community second and federal government lastly.

In closing, you can contrive all kinds of scenarios, but that is what they are, scenarios. The cold hard fact is that this country living a lie. We are trying to maintain a standard of living that we cannot afford.
We simply cannot help everyone; we need to learn to adjust – the sooner the better.

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You still did not answer the

You still did not answer the original question. You said it was your right…, I ask what makes it your right, and I gave an example of the transitive property of a right from same-sex to other arrangements to which you responded.

Anyhow, to answer your question – are homosexuals perverted – the answer is NO.

Perhaps someday you can get around to answer the original question – from where does your right originate?

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I ignored a cavity for 1 year

I ignored a cavity for 1 year because I did not have the money. It cost me much more than an x-ray to stop the infection in the end. The infection started to enter my jaw bone. This is serious stuff.

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Unfortunately the x-ray is

Unfortunately the x-ray is necessary to ensure there is no infection taking up residence in your jaw.

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Kathy, Okay now. Was it not I

Kathy,

Okay now. Was it not I who ask the first question for which you have not answered yet? You answer mine, and I’ll be more than happy to answer yours- sounds fair.

Cheers.

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Dan, Ms. Brule is exercising

Dan,
Ms. Brule is exercising her freedom; there is nothing wrong with that.

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Jennifer, “…, and payment

Jennifer,

“…, and payment plans are not looked upon favorably”

Why can’t you set up a payment plan to yourself and then go see the Dentist when you have $125?

If you can afford a payment plan from the Dental office, you can certainly afford to budget a payment plan to yourself. Moreover, it would be a more efficient use of your money since you will not have to pay finance or service charges.

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Don’t forget about the high

Don’t forget about the high tax rates in these countries, and they still are on the road to bankruptcy.

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Claire, What you say may

Claire,

What you say may sound good, but this Nation is broke. Presently, the Nation cannot afford green energy or space exploration, especially when the Nation is already borrowing $0.40 on the dollar. You think we are living in the Stone Age now, what until the real austerity kicks in.

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Kathy, “I will clearly state

Kathy,
“I will clearly state why I want to know. It's because I believe you think homosexuals are so perverted that they would marry a whole group of people or even an animal,..”

Perhaps you are wrong? I purposefully kept my reasoning vague to see how you would respond. You responded with emotion and accusation in lieu of a cogent discussion about rights, where do rights come from, and the transitive property of rights, such as the same right that allows for same-sex marriage transferring to different kinds of arrangements.

I can only speculate you are just concerned with self and simply through the word “right” around to support your point of view, but cannot express where the right comes from and what it really means.

I’m asking are valid questions. I have yet to find anyone with the fortitude to discuss the issue; that is unfortunate.

Have a good day.

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Dan, Every single one of your

Dan,
Every single one of your proposals for a better America involves taking from someone else. That in itself gets old. To that end, I’ll increment your count by one.

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Joseph, First and foremost,

Joseph,

First and foremost, the government cannot create jobs; it can only inhibit jobs through regulation. That is not to say some regulation is not necessary, but when business are milked for money using the tax code, then fewer jobs are an expected outcome.

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“They only ask to be treated

“They only ask to be treated equally, with the right to share their lives with the ones they love.”

Who is stopping people from sharing their lives with the ones they love? Is someone physically separating them?

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“Should my neighbors vote on

“Should my neighbors vote on whether I can continue to live with my opposite-sex domestic partner of 13 years?” That is not the issue at hand, so you’re exaggerating a bit in that regards.

I would like to know where the “right” you refer to comes from?

Can this same “right” allow three adults to marry?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Any child they produce is

Any child they produce is their responsibility. That said however, if the child is being neglected, he or she should be removed from the parents and put up for adoption.

It is time to demand personal responsibility; we are broke as a Nation, and we cannot afford it anymore.

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Christina, If same-sex

Christina,

If same-sex marriage fails to capture the majority in November, will you accept the outcome and not try to place it on the ballot again?

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Jim, I agree, so we should

Jim,
I agree, so we should not ask religion or the federal government (i.e. the taxpayer) to pay for women’s choice. You see, when you force someone else to pay for your activities, don’t they have a right to speak out? It is really that simple.

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Claire, The operative words

Claire,
The operative words are “in the classroom”, such as in a structured computer lab. You have no control outside of the classroom.

But you need to also ask yourself, how do other countries, such as China and India, outperform us with few resrouces?

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I’m fully cognizant of your

I’m fully cognizant of your point of view.
That being said, I’ll stick to my assertion that a structured computer lab on the school campus will be more cost effective and more successful.

Colleges have computer labs where students can arrive and work on their assignments, so where it is convenient have a personal computer at home, it is not a necessity.

Just think of how much money is wasted in computer administration costs to remove viruses and re-image computes that children mess up by surfing unsafe sites or playing around with system setting, not to think of replacing lost or physically damaged units. Middle school and high-school aged kids are not the most responsible individuals, especially when it comes to caring for property.

A structured environment, such as an on campus computer lab, will help keep the kids focused learning those critical skills, not to mention much more cost effective for the taxpayer.

Lastly let’s explore your closing statement:
“One more thing, South East Asia, where do you think most components and software for computers comes from? It aint Best Buy.”

We are discussing educating kids to use computers. Not were computers are manufactured, but since you brought it up, let’s connect the dots together. Computers are manufactured in that part of the world because the labor is cheap. Families that make low wages are less likely to afford at-home computers and the government does not supply them, yet these people are proficient at using them. Hmm, how is that?

Conclusion: Perhaps we are teaching our kids in effectively.

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According to Frank Earley,

According to Frank Earley, surfing the internet for pornography is akin to developing general computer knowledge. I’m really disappointed that Frank sets such a low benchmark for children. Computer skills required to surf the internet are no greater than the skill set needed to surf TV stations; that level of competence sets the performance benchmark no higher than the bubble gum stuck to the bottom of my shoe.

There much more to computer competency that knowing where the power switch is located and how to download porn or copyrighted content. Moreover, we should wonder way other countries, such as those in South East Asia (Thailand, India, … etc), which have far fewer resources than the U.S., develop children that outperform U.S. children in math and science all without having a computer in the house for they cannot afford one.

Structured education in an on-campus computer lab will be more focused and far cheaper.

In my opinion, the drive to put computers in every home has more to do with the misguided notion of fairness. That is, it is not fair that some children have computers in the home and some don’t. I guess now we can teach all our children how to surf porn – how aspiring.

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Ann, Remove your political

Ann,

Remove your political filters; this type of talk happens on both side of the political spectrum if you have not noticed. Neither the right nor the left hold a monopoly on this type of behavior. Just recall how the Democrats spoke about Bush a few years ago to see this talk swings both ways.

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"Control of a woman’s

"Control of a woman’s reproductive rights should be hers and hers alone."

I agree!

Now that being said, please pay for your own choices "alone".

Just because religous organizations don't want to pay for our choice does not equate to taking of your right. Is that simple enough?

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Why stop at one wife. How

Why stop at one wife. How about two or three? Shouldn’t that too be protected under the first amendment? If the first amendment is grounds for same-sex marriage, why stop there.

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Barbara, For the sake of

Barbara,
For the sake of discussion, what or whom makes same-sex marriage a right?

Does that same right also justify, say, having two wives, perhaps three wives?

I’m not sure why I would want to punish myself that way, but let’s explore were this right comes from.

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Funny that one day before the

Funny that one day before the Obama mandate no one uttered a word about the attempt to deprive women of birth control. That has all changed one day after the mandate when in reality little has change in a day.

Perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye, like purposely dividing Obama’s opposition.

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Put the religious argument on

Put the religious argument on the back burner for the night. It is all about freedom of choice. Freedom of choice is a two-way street don’t forget.

You are just splitting hairs to avoid dealing the real crux of the issue – which is freedom.
The struggle between separation of church and state simply exemplifies polar opposites in the freedom argument – freedom to follow your faith as you see fit, or in contrast, freedom not to follow any faith.

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There is a difference between

There is a difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare. The difference is, well, I don’t live in Massachusetts!

I have the freedom of choice not to live there. There is no place to escape Obamacare mandates. Contraception is just the beginning. It is all about freedom. Don’t get side tracked with the religious argument.

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Dan, If I’m giving away $100

Dan,

If I’m giving away $100 bills, perhaps I can get 75% support for that practice. Isn’t it popular to get free stuff?

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While these people feel

While these people feel empowered forcing there will on others, we’ll see how their tune changes when the Obama administration starts mandating their dietary and exercise practices.

In the words of William Wallace --- Freedom!

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This issue has more to do with freedom than religion.

This is really not a religious issue; it is a general issue of freedom.

Prior to the Obama mandate, some religious organizations provided contraceptives as part of their health care, and some did not. Those organizations more aligned with their principles perhaps chose not to provide contraction. Freedom allows for diversity of beliefs and choices, and the world just chugged along fine prior to the mandate. If 90% of catholic women use birth control prior to the Obama mandate indicates the world was not falling apart. Moreover, your statistic is a testament that perhaps the mandate was not necessary in the first place.

What the Obama mandate does however is to eliminate the freedom of an organization to choose what set of values it supports or chooses not to support. Freedom of choice and diversity can act as a pressure release value for a society. We are not all made the same; we have different values, wants and desires.
Ignoring these differences and forcing the same value set on all of us just serves promote disharmony in a society.

The bigger issue here is really freedom. You may not feel you lost any freedom over this issue, but what goes around comes around; tomorrow, you may lose a freedom that you value.

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Mark, Where was your outrage

Mark,
Where was your outrage one day before the Obama mandate, one year before the Obama mandate, one decade before the Obama mandate?

One day plus after the Obama mandate you claim “the church is interfering in a very private relationship…”
How did the world survive before the mandate? I’ll tell you how it survived. These religious based or organizations provided a healthcare package to a potential employee, the employee accepted it as a condition of employment or they walked. The employer has rights too. The employer has the right to offer a healthcare package they see fit, they can afford, or none at all, just like they have for over 5 decades. Is not the government interfering in a very private matter – one’s business?

Where does all the righteous indignation come from after the Obama mandate when it was absent prior to the mandate? Well, it is an election year and the Democrats need a social issue.

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Dan, Can you please slice

Dan,

Can you please slice that hair once more lengthwise? You are splitting hairs.

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Diane, The entire oBamaCare

Diane,
The entire oBamaCare issue is much broader than church and state separation. It is establishing a precedent that allows the Government to mandate what we as individuals must purchase all in the name of the greater good. We MUST not allow the Government to establish this precedence.

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Not all non-profit

Not all non-profit organizations are religious. That being said, any income generated from cash reserves or investments that are held for a non-profit organization are taxed at normal rates.

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I empathize.

I empathize.

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It is not respectful nor fair

It is not respectful nor fair to make those accusations without backing up one’s claim with sensible supporting evidence. All that we can do is to ask a writer to backup their claim when that occurs and challenge the nonsensical stuff.

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I would not go as far as

I would not go as far as saying Dan is a racist or bigot.

My speculation is that he picked up this tactic watching some Democrats behave that way. The tactic is to defame the massenger and to dilute the argument as you point out.

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I find it humorous how the

I find it humorous how the “tax the rich” crowd changes their tune when applying their standards to a global discussion on poverty. They get very uptight when the buck does not stop with them.

This is a simple litmus test to show they are perhaps just as greedy as they claim others are – or more so due to the hypocrisy of it all.

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Oh, so one cannot show

Oh, so one cannot show contempt for the President without being racist – how nonsensical. How does ObamaCare differ from terms like “Bush tax cuts” or “Reagonomics”? Perhaps it does not differ.

If a measure of one’s patriotism is to push this country further towards bankruptcy, then I guess I rather not be a patriot. Like I said, we are living history, so let’s see how this all unfolds.

If historical performance is any indicator of future performance, then this will be just another boondoggle, similar to SSN, Medicare, prescription drugs, etc, etc.

Lastly, there is one key takeaway you fail to notice in my opinions. I rarely denigrate a single political party, and I hold pretty much all of the politicians in Washington in contempt. Moreover, your attempt to call people bigot or racist in order to control the discussion through intimidation will not work with me, so you can put that tactic back in your pocket.

Now go seize the day instead of seizing someone’s labor through taxation.

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Dan, I simply don’t know how

Dan,
I simply don’t know how to respond to your nonsensical comment, but I will say that simply because a law has the word “affordable” in the title does not necessarily make it,…, well, affordable. The law as it stands imposes many mandates that will cost those who already pay for their healthcare.

Fortunately (or unfortunately) we are living this history, and we’ll see where it ends up.

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Paul, I’ve been there, I’ve

Paul,

I’ve been there, I’ve asked that, but I got no response either.

One thing that Dan must remember though is that he is too is wealthy in possessions and opportunity when we apply his criteria to global standards so why should we only charge Dan 2.76% in Federal income tax? How dare we allow the world’s rich to get by with paying so little in taxes?

Perhaps Dan will find his medicine a bit bitter to swallow.

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There you go Dan crying

There you go Dan crying racist again, and again I’ll ask you to provide the facts that you draw on to this conclusion – well where are the facts Dan?

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In 2010, the U.S. spent about

In 2010, the U.S. spent about $523Billion on Medicare. In 2010 there was an estimated $60Billion in Medicare fraud. That equates to over 11% fraud, which is greater than 6% overhead that you claim. This is fraud alone before factoring in program administration. Moreover, the government’s reported administration cost does not include the cost forced on the provider for compliance.

Here is a short article from Forbes that sums it up:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/06/30/the-myth-of-medicares-low-ad...

Your argument appears to have used worse case and best case numbers to make your point without deeper examination of the data. The disparity between 33% and 6% is so extreme is should serve as a red flag to skepticism.

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"According to the CBO, he

"According to the CBO, he would leave behind costs of $837 billion during his successor’s first term alone. If his successor were to serve a second term, he or she would inherit a cool $2.0 trillion in Obamacare costs — about six times its costs during Obama’s own tenure. This legislation is a ticking time-bomb."

Much like any other Government program, such as Medicare and Social Security, oBamaCare will grow in size, complexity, and cost to the point of unaffordability.

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Perhaps my spelling is off

Perhaps my spelling is off again – obummerCare – is that better?

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Hmm – lots of rhetoric but

Hmm – lots of rhetoric but you still have no cause (LaPage’s Policies) and effect (Mr. Paperback and Magazine inc. closing) relationship; all you have is just another opportunity to sling mud. Can you make the cause/effect relationship?

The answer is no because Mr. Paperback and Magazine Inc. are casualties of the digital media revolution, not the LaPage revolution.

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All is well with oBcare - right?

Why all the outrage? Don’t we now have obamaCare – all is well isn’t it?

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Dan, Perhaps you should do

Dan,
Perhaps you should do more to fill in the details as to the relationship between Gov. LaPage and the closing of Mr. Paperback and Magazines Inc.? Otherwise I’ll read this as Dan is just slinging mud again.

Gov. LaPage’s policies have nothing to do with changes in print media occurring over the past decade. I know that you understand.

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Brilliance of Capitalism

That is the brilliance of capitalism. If they are too expensive, they’ll be out of business. Let time decide.

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I’m okay with the State

I’m okay with the State providing the funds if and only if the State gets a percentage of the revenue if the highway is completed, otherwise keep public money out of it.

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It is all about selective

It is all about selective justification – the means to their end – for more government goodies.

Just examine Ronald’s comment: “the Lord’s gonna get it..”

Really, what would the Lord do with money anyway – unless the state is Ronald’s Lord, then perhaps he is right.

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Ronald, Just because you’re a

Ronald,
Just because you’re a servant of the lord does not mean you can serve yourself to my earnings. For those who don’t believe in your God, this sounds like you’re trying to justify taking other’s labor.

Now go serve the lord and get your GD hands out of my wallet.

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Dan, First and foremost, this

Dan,
First and foremost, this is the opinion section of the newspaper, and I never misrepresent myself in my opinion - food for thought.


Secondly, passing judgment is part of being human. Just introspect on some of your previous comments. Perhaps you’ll discover you also pass judgment. Being human means we judge.


Thirdly, let’s be adults here. There is only a finite amount of money (like it or not) to assist the needy. If there exists more needy than money, then someone must discriminate as to who gets help and who does not get help that my friend is a reality. In my opinion, you dislike people challenging the welfare state; I can only speculate that you perhaps feel threaten in some way.


Lastly, I am not shamed of myself, and I’ll continue to express my opinion as I see fit (as you will), especially when my labor is paying the bill.

Now go seize the day!

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Correction

I’ll wager that my observations are NOT unique.

Message to SJ:
Technology does exist to revision control comments for traceability, but still allow us to edit our mistakes.

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Betty, I’m glad things are

Betty,
I’m glad things are turning positive for your family.

That being said, for every story I read like yours, I read or hear a story of abuse. Moreover, I’ve seen it firsthand. I’ve been behind individuals in line at the grocery store who are paying with assistance money. Not all of the time, but more than half of the time they are eating better than I am eating as a measure of what they are purchasing. Moreover, I make it a point to watch these people in the parking lot since I’m curious as to what make, model, and year vehicle they are driving. My blood really boils when I see some of these same people drive off in a vehicle that most of us cannot afford, or let’s at least say choose not to purchase because we need to pay bills.

By my non-scientific estimation 50% of the people on assistance eat better than my family, of those, 50% drive late model vehicles that are not necessary if you accepting public assistance in my opinion. That means about 25% of the people buying food on assistance could perhaps make do otherwise in my estimation.

Given this is not a scientific study, just my observation; however, I’ll wager that my observations are unique. Let me put it gingerly and say that we need to prune the less needy from the welfare rolls – immediately.

Here is an extreme example. The fact that these individuals were awarded assistance in the first place is a testament to a broken system.

http://muskogeenow.com/story.php?id=584

Can we all get on board and tell some of these people to suck it up?

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Is it not a core competency

Is it not a core competency of a manufacture to nimbly scale up/down production to meet demand? The failure to respond to changes in demand is part in parcel due to poor management. Or perhaps, GM seized on the opportunity for free money.

You are also interleaving two disjoint issues. You previously stated that a collapse of GM would change the demand curve for automobiles. My rebuttal was not by that much since GM represents only a small fraction of the overall economy and the excess demand would be satisfied by other manufactures.
Your precise comment below:

“GM goes under; U.S. suppliers and dealers take their big hit; unemployment cascades - demand for automobiles falls accordingly - volume goes to hell in the U.S.”

Please keep your apples and oranges in separate bins.

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Ronald, 1. Demand for

Ronald,

1. Demand for automobiles tank. Could it happen, yes, but not likely? As an analogy, look at the sharp drop off in production for Toyota models due to the Japan earthquake. Demand did not tank, it just shifted to other makes or models or from new to use Toyota models. Perhaps some people sat on the sidelines waiting for production to resume.

2. GM has billions of dollars in assets and manufacturing capacity other automakers could pick up at bargain prices. It is unlikely these assets would go idle.

3. GM and GM’s supply chain are not the sole employers in the U.S., so your doomsday cascading unemployment scenario is not a likely. OEM and aftermarket parts supplies would probably see little to no change in demand since they are in the business of providing goods and services to existing cars on the road. Again, supplying parts to the manufacture of new cars would shit to accommodate production of different makes and models – that is assuming no GM lines are kept in production by those who buy GM’s assets.

Your whole argument is predicated on economic status quo, and it fails to account for shifts in manufacturing to meet newly created demand of other makes and models. Then again, it does sound better when you paint the apocalypse with your single bristle brush as justification for government intervention.

Remember, the economy is bigger than GM.

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Ronald, You’re up to painting

Ronald,
You’re up to painting a picture with a brush that only one bristle again.

1. Demand – let’s assume that for any given year the demand for automobiles is, say, X units. Regardless of whether GM kept its doors open or not, people would still demand automobiles. Volumes would remain relatively the same, but people would simply buy other makes and models.

2. Suppliers – predicated on demand, there would still be a need for suppliers. Moreover, as most automobile parts are built outside the U.S., it may not make much of a difference anyway to the U.S. economy.

3. Dissolving GM – If GM were to go under, not all of GMs production would vanish into the night. Perhaps another auto-maker would buy GM’s assets and keep the most profitable cars in production, or other auto-makers would pick up more demand for existing models.
The takeaway here Ronald, is that there are other alternatives which perhaps would provide relatively the same output at much less the cost to the taxpayer. Moreover, GM could exit its cycle of poor management decisions stronger and more profitable that it is now for you see, the bailout prevented GM from shedding bad management practices that got it to the brink of bankruptcy in the first place.

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The whole point of this

The whole point of this exercise is to show that a majority of individuals treat charity as a local issue. That is fine if we are up front and honest about our intentions. However, in my opinion, it is hypocritical when someone invokes the “what would Jesus do” argument as it relates to providing more goods and services from the government, but the argument stops short when it comes to looking outside of our local communities as to who are the neediest. In most case, Jesus would probably say we are doing just fine comparatively.

Figuratively speaking, are you (the reader) a hypocrite?

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Disagree? Don’t we want

Disagree? Don’t we want economic equality?

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I did not rebut your claim

I did not rebut your claim about the changing demographics. I would probably use the term highly likely rather than mathematical certainly for the use of statistics does allow for other possibilities albeit unlikely (i.e. 3-sigma or greater).

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Perhaps you are afraid to say

Perhaps you are afraid to say that Mexico is a product of theft itself?

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No Ronald; there was a point

No Ronald; there was a point in history when there was no Mexico, so how did Mexico become Mexico? Enlighten us.

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Ronald, So how did Mexico

Ronald,

So how did Mexico come into existence?

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You may think you’re clearer

You may think you’re clearer than you really are for your original statement is contingent on what you define as “home”.

Home could be your residential address, your immediate family, your town, your city, your country, and in some cases the planet. It all depends on what you define as being home. Now I could put words into your mouth, but it is nice to hear it on your own words.

To paraphrase your thoughts, charity in your opinion is like an onion where the innermost layers are more local or more personal in nature and the outer layers are geographically more distant or less personal?

If that is correct, you are probably like most people in that sense. Would you agree?

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Specifically, do think the

Specifically, do think the U.S. should help U.S. citizens before, say, helping people in Sub-Saharan Africa?

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For example, do you mean that

For example, do you mean that charity begins in the U.S from the U.S.?

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Let me give you some

Let me give you some statistics from the world hunger project.
World Hunger
• 925 million people do not have enough to eat — more than the populations of USA, Canada and the European Union combined.2
• 98% of the world's undernourished people live in developing countries.2
• Two-thirds of the world's hungry live in just 7 countries: Bangladesh, China, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia and Pakistan.2
• Where is hunger the worst?
o Asia and the Pacific: 578 million3
o Sub-Saharan Africa: 239 million3
o Latin America and the Caribbean: 53 million3
o Near East and North Africa: 37 million3
o Developed countries: 19 million3
Women and Children
• 60 percent of the world's hungry are women.4
• 50 percent of pregnant women in developing countries lack proper maternal care, resulting in over 300,000 maternal deaths annually from childbirth.4
• 1 out of 6 infants are born with a low birth weight in developing countries.5
• A third of all childhood death in sub-Saharan Africa is caused by hunger.6
• Every five seconds, a child dies from hunger-related diseases.6

Now, don’t all your arguments for more government handouts pale in comparison?
Those who wrap up their desire for more government handouts behind the vial of “what would Jesus do?”, behind Christianity, or behind any other religion should hang their head in shame.
I challenge one person to tell me how your needs supersede the needs of these people?

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It is refreshing to see a bit

It is refreshing to see a bit of fiscal sanity in Government – thank you .

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The poor in this country are rich in possessions and opportunity

A point of contention that I have with evoking Christ to justify income redistribution is that the neediest people do not reside in the United States. The so called poor in this country are rich in possessions and opportunity compared to world standards. I can’t but wonder if some people evoke Christ to justify their own greed proxy through the tax code.

Would not a true Christian be more concerned with the neediest on the planet? A true Christian would open their hearts and wallets to the planet’s neediest rather than asking your government for more goodies.

Michael’s letter smacks of hypocrisy in my opinion. All that I hear is “what can government do for me”, which is a bit selfish when you look at the poor of the world.

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Betty, 1. Job prospects are

Betty,

1. Job prospects are not as dire as you make them out to be. The unemployment rate among people with college education is about 4.3%. This class of people has greater job mobility. Moreover, they are more likely to be less intimidated about relocating to seek employment that suites their needs. Now let’s explore semi-skill and unskilled workers. I would agree that as we slide down the scale from semi-skilled to unskilled workers, they have fewer degrees of freedom. As for the balance of power, it ebbs back and forth over time between workers and corporations. There is nothing wrong with that. One can start their own business if this is an issue for them. In that case, they write the checks and call the shots for the most part (government regulations excluded).

2. The Catholic Church has the same rights to freedom as the mom and pop companies. Other than begin a non-profit organization, I’m not aware of the Catholic Church receiving federal funds – don’t we want to separate church from state? That philosophy is a two-way street.

3. Your view of healthcare is not unlike many others. Not only do you think someone should pay for your healthcare, you demonize the corporations, for better or worse – like it or not, create jobs. We are living history, so let Obama keep dictating what corporations should pay, and let’s just watch how many corporations pull up roots and move to more business friendly economies – at least those who are not in bed with the federal government like GE. Like it or not, this is a global economy that are and will continue to compete for jobs. Therefore, as we ignore the forest to focus on the rubber tree, the U.S. will continue be on the losing side of job creation.

4. Let’s finish your thought - … and democrats will continue to strive toward a single payer system at any cost. This is the epoch struggle between two competing philosophies. Moreover, as the Obama healthcare law stands, it will do nothing but drive up healthcare costs for you see the Obama administration has the authority to mandate what is and is not covered. I expect some of those same corporations that you perhaps dislike will do much to influence what is mandated to help their bottom line – oh what tangled webs we have woven between government and businesses.

Let me close by coming back to restating we are living history and we’ll get to experience the outcome – whether good or bad. And perhaps you are right in that those who write the checks have the power – remember to not kill the goose who lays the golden eggs.

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Dan, “Guess you think you’re

Dan,

“Guess you think you’re right” about <>; we can have a dialog, but until you’re more specific, I don’t know how to respond to your vagueness.

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Shame on you!

Here we go again with the Dan Breton shuffle. You’re so good at it.

I’ll restate what I told you before. If you cannot back up you claim with facts and specifics, perhaps you should keep the “b” word in your cranium.

Your behavior is like that of a bully. Call someone a bigot because of the stigma that goes along with the accusation. Shame on you!

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Dan, You were doing such a

Dan,
You were doing such a good job at not throwing the “b” word around. Now, that you launched a "b"-bomb, can you be more specific as to what you feel is bigoted and discriminatory?

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Perhaps a better solution

Perhaps a better solution would be to eliminate pension plans and substitute in defined contribution (i.e. 401k) plans for all public employees.

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Betty, Firstly, you don’t

Betty,
Firstly, you don’t have to work for a company that does not provide the healthcare coverage you want – shop around for an employer that does. Moreover, if that company is out of sync with its workers, then they’ll have to change policy or risk not having the qualified workforce needed to meet business needs.

Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, once the government starts mandating what healthcare an employer must provide, it will be the start of a litany of mandates trust upon corporations big and small. Many of the smaller companies may have to close the doors simply because they cannot afford the mandates.

In closing, while the current focus is on contraception, the more fundamental issue is executive-brand mandates to healthcare. That is why you see so much opposition to the former since it is only the first of more to come.

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So what is wrong with having

So what is wrong with having concrete and measurable standards? That being said, not all students are college bound, so perhaps we should bring back the two track system (i.e. college or trades) and measure appropriately.

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How about we start with

How about we start with something a bit more humane and rational before taking them to the woodshed?

For example, how about removing incentives for undocumented people for coming in the first place?

How about increasing presence on the leakiest border in this nation – our southern border?

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It gets frustrating at times

It gets frustrating at times when I read a story that generates more questions than it answers.

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“If a person is in the U.S.

“If a person is in the U.S. but has not become a citizen and commits any crime that warrants prison time they should be immediately deported , not supported by us taxpayers. In all likely-hood they are treated better in our jails then in their country of origin.”

Yep, so they can turn around and come back through the revolving door into the U.S without punishment.

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Dan, From what I can read,

Dan,
From what I can read, you curse 24/7!
Perhaps you should turn on your curse control 

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“The new toll system will

“The new toll system will save money.” Pray tell, how, Mr. Mills?

This is an easy question to answer. Once the automated system is in place, staffing can be reduced. Moreover, the more Mr. Mills drives up wait times at staffed toll booths, the more people will move to E-ZPass out of frustration. Hence, then staff can be reduced even more.

The savings will come in the form of reduced labor costs.

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“If delegates return a

“If delegates return a different result at the state convention, Maine will appear incompetent and we can collectively brace ourselves for nation ridicule.”

Syndicated conservative media is already discussing this topic in great detail; Maine is already the laughing stock over this issue.
Republicans should complete the caucus and publish the results regardless of Mr. Webster’s consent or not. If Mr. Webster cannot lead the GOP, let the GOP simply ignore him and press on.

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Let’s look at this

Let’s look at this piecewise:
1. “Greece does not have the largest army by many orders of magnitude.” That could mean it takes more money to fund larger army; thereby, exacerbating deficit spending.
2. “Greece did not have a Great Recession in 2008.” This economic downturn was and still is global. Thereby effecting all, including Greece more than other EU states. The downturn is what triggered Greece's colapse when liquidity dried up.
3. “Debt will not catch up with us.” Never say never….I’m sure the Roman Politicians made similar claims. The U.S. is not immune.
4. “the government is growing the economy” – Government spending can never grow the economy. Just think of the mathematical limit – If Government spending grows the economy, then more government spending will grow the economy more to a point of 100% employment – False. The government does not and cannot produce wealth. It simply moves it from one part of the economy to another through taxation and redistribution.

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The intended meaning is that

The intended meaning is that given two sets of individuals grouped by political affiliation, say R’s and D’s. It is unlikely that all the bad people (i.e. racist, greedy, …, etc) fall in to one group or the other. That would be called a statistical singularity. That being said, anyone who claims the current state of government is all due to individuals that fall into the R group or the D group is espousing extreme thoughts.

People with extreme thoughts often wear foil hats to keep aliens from reading their thoughts.

BTW – typo in the previous message – provide <\b> should have been prove.

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Perhaps we would have fewer

Perhaps we would have fewer economic problems if you and people of similar ilk directed all that energy you use to blame Bush into recommending solutions – you think?

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Perhaps you should dawn your

Perhaps you should dawn your foil hat to protect your cranium. It is statistically impossible to find such singularities in the human population. That is all I need to point out to provide you are at the extreme.

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Betty, Perhaps we should be

Betty,

Perhaps we should be asking the following questions:
1. Is the current national debt trajectory sustainable – Yes or No?
2. If no, how do we fix it?

Everything else is really meaningless. Just keep your eye on the crux of the issue.

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Assuming what you say is

Assuming what you say is correct in that Bushes polices will increase the national debug by 96% out to 2050. Two thousand and fifty is a long time out. Why did Obama not choose to roll back Bushes policies, especially when the Democrats controlled both houses? Why is not Obama introducing legislation to roll back those obligations instead of introducing legislation spending more?

You need to backup where you got $200 Billion national debt increase in three years since the national debt increase over the last three years is over $3T according to the following source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt
What is your fuzzy math?

You are correct that the economy cannot turn on the dime, but tell me how does Obama’s policies differ than his predecessor's for I just don’t see it.

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Betty, Nice try. You should

Betty,
Nice try. You should keep listing debt increases that include up to February 14, 2012. It is time to stop blaming the past administration since the debt increases under Obama has matched or surpassed that under Bush.

While Bush did contribute to the current state of affairs (our national debt), so has Obama. That being said, if burring your head under your pillow at night and blaming Bush helps you sleep, then by all means keep doing.

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If you are referring to Greek

If you are referring to Greek austerity policies,then they did not have a choice. The EU would refuse to extend their credit limit if they had not taken that path. Greece should stand as an example to you that at some point a nation’s debt does catch up to you, and then there are little choices. Perhaps you should rename I95 South to Washington D.C. the road to Athens.

By what yard stick did you measure “the debt will be paid off in a few years [?]” Moreover, what happed to the $500 plus billion of the TRAP money that went unspent? Where is it? I certainly don’t hear any more talk about it.

What do you mean by “most part of the debt is money we owe ourselves [?]” Perhaps what it means is that the Government simply printed money into circulation, and by doing so imposed a hidden tax on all of us called devaluation. Devaluation of the dollar has a measurable cause and effect for the people of Maine as it is reflected in the cost of heating fuel.

Lastly, you should reconsider your car analogy in the context of asking a bank for a loan to repair your car when you are carrying a debt to income ratio of 100%. Good luck. But then again, your analogy is fitting of the liberal doctrine – money just comes out of thin air. I really hope economics is not what you teach our kids.

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Fairness is like a

Fairness is like a mathematical asymptote – you can only approach fairness with diminishing returns, but never reach it. There will never be economic fairness, so arm yourself with a marketable education and go compete for your share like the reset of us.

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John, Spending billions of

John,
Spending billions of dollars this country does not have is a systemic problem not unique to the Democratic Party. These strawman budget cut proposals from both major parties do nothing to curb debt growth; they only scratch the surface in growth of yearly budget increases (i.e. base-line budgeting).

Much deeper cuts are needed now, or Greece will be coming to our shores. Not controlling our spending now will affect each and every one of us in profound and unimaginable ways.

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Typically, polices that pay

Typically, polices that pay for Viagra also offer women’s contraception. The policy holder does pay for these medications however.

That being said, if I want a cheaper policy, I can seek out a policy that provides fewer services at corresponding lower cost today. Under the Obamacare mandates, birth control being the first of many mandates to come, I have no freedom of choice anymore. I’ll be compelled to pay the higher premium for services I don’t need nor want.

While you are focusing on the controversy surrounding the birth control issue that is not the crux of the issue; government mandated services is the problem and should be the focus.

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Bob, Bullying is all a matter

Bob,

Bullying is all a matter of perspective. It is considered bullying when a politician is reducing handouts. It is called caring when a political increases handouts.

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With the amount of assistance

With the amount of assistance money flowing around and the lack of government oversight, my guess there are many more instances of fraud that go undetected.

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Ronald, Good luck but don’t

Ronald,

Good luck but don’t send your bill to Joe Public.

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“Secondly it's obvious that

“Secondly it's obvious that all these men who are experts on female contraception are pretty much full of it.”

I never claimed to be an expert. I simply said the public should not be forced to pay for it.

I could now throw forth some gender specific stereotypes like you did, but that would not be productive to the dialog, lack professionalism and maturity.

Lastly, Under the Obamacare plan, the government will pay for services for those oh don’t have insurance. Also, any healthcare mandates, such as mandatory contraceptives, will have the cost distributed to all of its members. The root locus for the shared cost borne by everyone is still the government.

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If you are referring to the

If you are referring to the Catholic Church, you are free not to association with them, unlike the Federal Government that we are stuck with.

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If I’m paying for a Cadillac

If I’m paying for a Cadillac that comes with those amenities, then I’m okay with that.
If can only afford a Hyundai, well I may not get all the amenities, such as expensive fertility treatments.

“Paying for birth control is a health issue because it covers health issues not always directly involving sex just sex organs.”

Then these cases are a medical necessity and should be covered. Birth control to prevent pregnancy is NOT a medical necessity.

Lastly, it is none of my business what people do in the bedroom. That being said, people should not expect me to pay for their activities. You cannot have it both ways. Asking the taxpayer to pay, gives them the right to stick their noises in your business. In other words, if you don't like the Republicans dictating bedroom morality, don't invite them in.

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Dan, This is one of the few

Dan,
This is one of the few (perhaps the only) times that I agree with you.

Your summation that contraception is not a medical necessity is spot on.

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I’m just being candid. Today

I’m just being candid. Today contraception is affordable; it need not be free, and we need not ask others to pay for it.

You seem to keep making excuses. If your man is not responsible, perhaps you need to find a responsible man prior to intercourse. Perhaps you should tell your man to pay for said contraception prior to intercourse.

If that is indicative of a caveman attitude, I’m comfortable with it.

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It is not my choice, it is

It is not my choice, it is yours - take care of it yourself.

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A woman can masturbate, use

A woman can masturbate, use toys, or have sex with another females, and yes veronica, life is not fair.

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I anticipated this

I anticipated this response.

Intercourse in the context of contraception is not child birth and therefore not a woman’s health issue, so your extrapolation of my comment to support your agenda is disingenuous. Intercourse is a cause to an effect, which is child birth and a woman’s health issue.

I support all forms of birth control, but not on the taxpayer’s dime.
If you are mature enough engage in intercourse, you are mature enough to prevent pregnancy if that is not what you intended.

The responsibility falls squarely on the participants not society.

Perhaps you should focus on attacking my assertions, not my gender.

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Since there is no cogent

Since there is no cogent argument for the existence or non-existence of God, why should I argue as to what God said or has not said, means or does not mean?

Now we can play that game, as we did, but to want end?

Lastly, it is your responsibility to back up your assertion. It is my responsibility to show fault in your assertion – I did that. It is not my responsibility so prove God meant something else.

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Then let the people open

Then let the people open their own wallets and pay for the connectives they want. The Government should not be involved whatsoever.

By the way, spreading your legs is not a women's health issue. Breast cancer, cervical cancer, ..., etc is however.

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It is still a stretch to say

It is still a stretch to say God supports transfer of wealth. You are not a biblical scholar, so perhaps you are reading this out of context. Moreover, it is still a stretch to draw that conclusion when put it in contemporary context.

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Mike, You’re wrong. Under the

Mike,
You’re wrong. Under the Obama administration, God gets contraceptives - free of charge.

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Ronald, Let’s play word

Ronald,

Let’s play word substitution and reexamine the phrase.
ren•der (dictionary.com)

verb (used with object)
1. to cause to be or become; make: to render someone helpless.
2. to do; perform: to render a service.
3. to furnish; provide: to render aid.
4. to exhibit or show (obedience, attention, etc.).
5. to present for consideration, approval, payment, action, etc., as an account.

Povide unto Ceasar what is Caesar’s and provide to God what is God’s.
Pay unto Ceasar what is Caesar’s and pay to God what is God’s.
...etc...

I’m simply not seeing how you drew the conclusion that this phase presents proof that god would support transfer of wealth.

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William, I will disagree with

William,

I will disagree with you. Obama does have a moral base. It’s called the end justifies the means from the gospel of liberalism.

One of the biggest problems I have with the Obama administration, and government in general, is that they think they know best and everyone sees the world as they do. One shoe does not fit all. The founding fathers knew this; therefore a majority of power remained with the States. This allowed citizens the freedom to pursue happiness in a state and/or community that best reflected their view of the world.

Unfortunately, a heavy handed centralized government does not allow that freedom.

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Yes, but I don’t poop and

Yes, but I don’t poop and sleep simultaneously. I poop first, and then I sleep or I sleep first, and then I poop.

Perhaps I will poop and sleep simultaneously when I each your age, but not yet.

The takeaway should be do not discuss how much to spend and where to spend it simultaneously. First decide how much to spend, and then decide where to spend it. This can take place in the course of a day.
However, like pooping and sleeping simultaneously, it is not advised since it tends to complicate the two tasks.

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No, keep first things first.

No, keep first things first.

First define the sand box (i.e. cap on spending as a percent of GDP), then let the kids play (i.e. compete for the available revenue).

Keep the concepts simple and measureable.

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Perhaps there is general

Perhaps there is general feeling that Government should first cut waste and fraud, as well as eliminate the plethora of subsidies to business, and cut foreign aid before approaching the taxpayer palms up.

Other things that need to be done are as follows:

1. Cap spending to, say, 15% GDP. If the government wants more revenue, then they have to grow GDP.
2. Eliminate baseline budgeting practices.

After the above is complete, then we can discuss priorities and where to spend the available money, and yes, if single payer healthcare fit into the above framework, I would support it.

Lastly, don't forget that historically, the income tax rate was once zero. You might want to pin-point the time in history, but I knew what you meant - Clinton tax rates.

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No, and that should speak

No, and that should speak volumes :)

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Ronald, I do rail about debt

Ronald,

I do rail about debt growth, but the intention of this thread was to show Alan how the government is currently overarching its span of control. That is, how successful (or unsuccessful) the government manages its programs.

My healthcare arguments have never supported the current cost structure. My healthcare arguments have more to do with oBamaCare being the wrong solution, and in general, government controlled healthcare being the wrong solution. Anyhow, that is a topic for another day.

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Ronald, If you have not

Ronald,
If you have not noticed, everything I’ve listed is a growth in the size of government, a growth in government spending or a program in crisis.

A tax cut does not belong in that list. While a tax cut may grow the size of the national debt, a tax cut does not necessarily grow the size of government nor does it increase spending.

Moreover, you selectively forgot to add your favorites, Bill Clinton and Obama, to your list of tax cutting presidents. Any reason why? Maybe your Cuban pharmacist is giving you placeboes!

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Ronald, Don’t worry. We are

Ronald,
Don’t worry. We are on the fast track for importing the Cuban standard of living to the U.S.

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You claim that I’m biased?

You claim that I’m biased? Guilty as charged.

I’m biased toward smaller Government.
I’m biased toward a balanced budget.
I’m biased toward freedom of choice and against mandates, and more.

National debt will soon pass GDP.
Total of $61.6 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with $5.3 Trillion promised this year alone.
Debt ceiling will be raised another 1.6 Trillion.
Unfunded wars.
Underfunded prescription drug plan.
Postal services on going bankrupt.
Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac going bankrupt
Taxpayer’s money lost on green energy projects, such as Solyndra.
Now - oBamaCare.

I can probably go on, but this is sure a good start showing the Government has overreached don’t you think?

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I think you hit on part of

I think you hit on part of the problem. When you talk about waste and fraud in the Billions, and then trivializing it by converting into a small percentage of the overall budget is being disingenuous. A Billion here and there is still a lot of money.

Trivializing this waste is an illustration of Government inefficiency and contempt for the taxpayer; you wonder why there is opposition to new taxes.

The Government is overreaching, and they are outside their span of control; therefore, we can expect the waste and fraud to continue if not get worse. OBamaCare is simply opens the door to more opportunity.

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Correction - that is $60

Correction - that is $60 Billion per year!!!

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The cost of Medicare fraud

The cost of Medicare fraud today is estimated to be $60Billion for which the Federal Government does little about. That amount is nothing to ignore, especially when $0.38 of every federal dollar spent is borrowed.

While we agree there will be fraud in oBamaCare, we both cannot make assertions to its magnitude since we cannot attempt to measure it at this point.

Perhaps you don’t care about the waste, cost, or fraud with Medicare or evolving oBamaCare, some of us do, particularly if we are paying for it.

Let me reiterate – the Government is has an abysmal track record when it comes to financial responsibility and efficiency, I expect no improvements.

Perhaps that is okay for people receiving the benefit but pays not.

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And there is no Medicare

And there is no Medicare fraud either.

Given the Federal Government’s current track record at enforce similar laws; there is a high probability of fraud, part of which could be providing services to undocumented immigrants.

Regardless of Mr. Nachman’s affiliation and considering the Government’s track record, his assertions are plausible and likely.

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Child labor crescendo was

Child labor crescendo was during the early industrial revolution. During the same time period life expectancy of children increased dramatically [1].

That being said, the government does have a purpose. Investment in sanitation significantly increased live expectancy for example. That was a benefit to society as a whole; however, the Government can overreach and is currently overreaching to the point where these basic services will be at risk due to structural budget deficits.

In closing, I hope to work until I die for that is a function of living. We’ll have to continue to argue about where to draw the line between productive services and overreaching services, but you cannot deny perpetual borrowing to balance the budget will not result in eventual collapse in all services. You need to start thinking about what you want to give up now to save the most important services, such as sanitation.

[1] http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/387301/modernization/12022/Pop...

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I’m always amazed how people

I’m always amazed how people of liberal persuasion, who purport to be “tolerant and compassionate”, get so riled up to an opposing opinion.

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Ronald, I thank God for those

Ronald,
I thank God for those individuals you call dump for they keep your ideas from becoming mainstream.

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Dan, We call the minority

Dan,
We call the minority parity the opposing party for a reason. The system by nature is adversarial, so what do you expect?

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Does the Obama administration

Does the Obama administration even have a plan? What is it?

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Sophia, I have two

Sophia,
I have two comments.

First, California has already traveled down the “snack tax” road, and it failed miserably [1].

Second, unfortunately what is always missing from a discussion about raising tax revenue is a healthy discussion of whether services that we are currently paying for are necessary or cost effective. There are few checks and balances that help the public measure the success of public services.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-10-29/news/mn-930_1_snack-tax

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How in the world did the

How in the world did the human race survive before DHHS and before Government intervention?

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Dan, Just because I don’t

Dan,
Just because I don’t envy what is not mine, does not mean I’ve got mine.

Personally, this topic has more to do with freedom than longing for riches. The freedom is for me to make my own decisions without government intervention.

Benjamin Franklin said: “He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.”

LaPage is not my governor for I don’t reside in Maine anymore. I chose to leave the state for a location where jobs are more plentiful, winters are milder, and my tax burden is overall less. I am not obligated to any state.

Wanting lower taxes and responsible sending does not mean a collapse of the safety-net, but breaking the bank of the taxpayer is almost certain to destroy the safety-net.

Right in this case is a matter of perspective – is your palm up or is your palm down?

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Equality is a mathematical Definition

So you are only concerned about equity, unless you make too much. Equity can be expressed precisely and unambiguously through mathematical expressions:

MY_TAX_RATE = YOUR_TAX_RATE – This is an equality statement,

where TAX_RATE = (TAXES_PAID/INCOME)*100%

By definition, a progressive tax cannot be expressed using a mathematic equity statement.

Moreover, the following statement is not accurate:
“people with higher disposable incomes "use" governmental services more than people with lower disposable incomes.”

Consider a family of 5 in the lower 50% of AGI. This family pays a national average of 2.76% in federal income taxes. Compare this to double income earners with no kids, who may pay a marginal federal tax rate of 25%+, but also has more disposable income. You cannot tell me that the later consumes more government services than the former. It is the latter group that is funding the former group’s progeny through tax credits.

Your argument reveals you emotion of this topic; however, it is not supported with facts.

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Dan, I have no objection to

Dan,

I have no objection to Gov. LaPage’s approach to cutting spending. Unlike the Federal Government, the state cannot print money. That state is now forced to cut spending, and I’m good with that.

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Dan, The fallacy is in

Dan,
The fallacy is in thinking the government can take as much money as it wants. It certainly cannot take 150% of GDP? So there is a limit. The government can only take what the people are willing to tolerate and nothing more. An attempt to take more money than people are willing to tolerate will just drive people to an underground economy or at a minimum drive the producers (i.e. individuals paying the bills) to move, hide their money, or falsify tax returns.

Take for example the attempt to cap property taxes in Maine. Property owners reached their threshold. Unfortunately, citizens were convinced into not passing the proposition. It was like the fox promising the chickens to take fewer of them. I was actually ashamed for Maine when the proposition failed.

In closing, I applaud the Governor for slashing spending. I hope to see more of it in the future.

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Dan, Another way to look at

Dan,

Another way to look at this is to consider you going out and buying stuff, and then you try to figure out how to pay for it. It just doesn’t sound responsible. I don't think you operate that way, or you can't for very long.

The current mothod of budgeting is so unnatural.

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Dan, Perhaps that is why

Dan,
Perhaps that is why people are so upset with the property tax mill rate. I recently chatted with a woman from Jay who had an assessed home value or $129K; she was shocked that home sold for $89K.

In my opinion, that way of thinking is exactly how the nation put itself in the debt crisis we are in today. It is bottoms-up.

On the one hand, my current state of residence caps how fast property taxes can grow per year just for this reason. Maine on the other hand, has failed to do the same. I have friends who pay almost twice the property tax amount that I do for a home worth less than half of mine. This is yet another reason for not returning to Maine.

Another way to put it is that Maine’s tax system is upside-down. The bottoms-up is now the tops-down in a perverted way.

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You could pretend to be the

You could pretend to be the man who as to make the decision of how much to spend on public services and try to provide a number.

I’m not shy, so let me give you an example. Federal, State, and Local governments combined should not spend more than 10-15 pennies out of 100 GDP pennies for public services.

When you do a personal budget at home, is it bottoms-up or tops-down? That is, do you say I’ll budget my car expenses once I figure out how much I send on the car, or do you say I can only afford to spend $xyz on my car, and keep expenses within the budget?

Your brand of government budgeting is more in line with the bottoms-up approach, which is kind of foreign to me and to most of us.

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I doubt very much that party

I doubt very much that party affiliation has anything to do with your moral fiber or whether you’ll have a higher propensity for criminal behavior. It has more to do with politics in general – poli (meaning many) tics (meaning blood sucking parasites).

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Q: What do you call a frog

Q: What do you call a frog with no legs in a pond?

A: Bob

Have a good day!

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Perhaps I could better

Perhaps I could better understand your point of view if you criticized the tax code instead of attacking the individual.

Attacking the individual shows hues of envy.

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Joanne, Perhaps you have

Joanne,
Perhaps you have forgotten that Christ was talking about individual behavior, not the behavior of a nation or state.

We should all live by those rules, but we should not expect the state to provide for them; it is up to us as individuals; don’t transfer your responsibility to someone else

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One more time!

Ronald,
You make it sound so dirty. What is wrong with that?

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Ronald, You make is sound so

Ronald,

You make is sound so dirty. What is wrong with that?

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Claire, The following comment

Claire,
The following comment that you made is a common claim for underperforming schools:

“…the public schools are underfunded”

Can you quantitatively tell me what is the appropriate level of funding in dollars per student?

How do you measure whether that level of funding is effective?

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Dan, I would say I’m

Dan,

I would say I’m disappointed in you, except you did met my expectations in your response.
I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but the following comment is meaningless:
“we should pay for the services we use”

That statement is ostensible; what is the correct level of services you are willing to fund?

Let’s take the discussion up to the 100k foot level. Using my penny analogy, 100 pennies meaning 100% of GDP, how much of the GDP should the U.S. spend on public services?

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Dan, I have one simple

Dan,

I have one simple question for you. Given 100 pennies, how much should go to pay for the Government and the services government provides?

A. 5 pennies
B. 10 pennies
C. 20 pennies
D. 30 pennies
E. 50 pennies
F. 75 pennies
G. 100 pennies

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Ellen, How much would you be

Ellen,

How much would you be willing to pay for those services? Would you be willing to sacrifice 100% of your income for those services?

You see, what is always lacking in this type of discussion is how much should the Government send on these services? How much of the GDP should the Government spend? How do you measure the effectiveness of these programs?

You cannot answer those questions because your message is based on emotion - what feels right. No quantitative measure needed.

Do you know that about $0.40 of every dollar the Government spends is borrowed? How long do you think we as a nation can keep that up?

Perhaps you would think a bit differently if you took the time to put numbers to your claims. We are broke as a nation. You’ll figure that out sooner or later.

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David, Let’s assume that

David,
Let’s assume that Claire’s assertion is correct and that private delivers will not service rural areas. Let’s also assume for the sake of discussion that 80% of the USPS budget is spent servicing urban and suburban areas, the same geographic areas that private delivery services thrive, and 20% of the USPS budget is spend servicing rural areas.

Wouldn’t it still be far less expensive for the taxpayer if USPS only service rural areas?

UPSP could save 80% in operating expenses relative to this example.

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Maybe this will help you

Maybe this will help you clear your vision about the welfare state.

Testiment to the welfare state.

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Dan, Unlike you, Ronald does

Dan,

Unlike you, Ronald does backup his assertions with supporting material.

I don’t recall ever seeing you provide supporting material.

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Liberal use of ctrl-c, ctrl-v

Liberal use of ctrl-c, ctrl-v there Ronald.

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Oh, and you want to know what

Oh, and you want to know what really pisses me off about the post office. My publically owned (i.e. collective) community mail box has two non-functional package boxes with broken keys stuck in the locks. The post office tells me they don’t have the money to fix to boxes. I offered to pay to have someone repair them. I was warned that the postal boxes are property of the US post office and that I could be cited if I mess with the boxes on my own accord (i.e. my individualism).

Three years have elapsed, and the boxes are still broken.

Do we really need more of this form of collectivism – I think not.

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David, Just examine Claire’s

David,

Just examine Claire’s examples.
1. Why is the number of private schools on the rise? Why do people avoid the public schools if they can?
2. Why to people avoid publically funded hospitals and clinics if they can afford too?
3. Why is the US postal office on the verge of financial collapse?
4. and so on and so on…

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“If that was the case how

“If that was the case how would you explain the fastest growing economy in the world :The People's Republic of China.”

1. Currency that does not float with world markets.
2. Large supply of cheap and in some cases slave, labor.

Perhaps if you lived in China, you would not be as free to criticize your government in the manner that we do enjoy here in the US. You frequently hold up China in high esteem; I’m not sure that I would; in fact, I know with 100% certainty that I would not.

Lastly, there are privately funded roads, airports, electricity produces, schools, and postal services, and hospitals. I don’t recall any publically funded churches.

The big difference between your view of the world and that of individualist, the collective pooling of funds is voluntary, where it is mandatory in your version.

Let’s examine one of your examples of collectivism, the postal service. Privately owned competitors kick the snot out of the publically funded post-office. If it were not against the law for privately owned carriers prohibiting them from delivering fist-class mail, the publically funded postal services would probably go out of business. Think about it. USPS has a monopoly on first-class mail delivery, and they are staggering toward financial collapse – not good role model for your argument.

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Ronald, You make me feel

Ronald,
You make me feel young again with your comments – like I was back in high school.

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One does have to wonder if

One does have to wonder if Warren is underwater on his home, and he is dreaming of a bailout.

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Warren, Greed comes in many

Warren,

Greed comes in many faces, sizes, and socioeconomic classes from the super-rich to the super-poor. That is, sin is not just for the wealth class – you should know that. For example, many people though home prices would continue to rise, and it was greed that clouded their thought process and they signed for a loan that they could not repay.

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Ronald, Are you exposing your

Ronald,
Are you exposing your “id”?

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Yes, Eric Holder is the CEO

Yes, Eric Holder is the CEO of the justice department. He should be able to find those responsible and hand them over to congress. He should also dismiss anyone in the chain of command that is not upfront with the facts.

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Alan, I used to ask the same

Alan,
I used to ask the same questions” And why are Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg so set on trying to shoot down the Second Amendment rights of the people?”

However, I’ve finally conclude that their motive has nothing to do with catching the bad guys. Their motive is purely ideology. They feel that an individual citizen should not own a firearm, and they will pull out all stops on the path to achieving their goal. Moreover, to the most extreme of these individuals, the end justifies the means.

Eric Holder, the CEO of the justice department, is either completely incompetent or complicit in fast and furious. I don’t think the man is stupid, so perhaps the latter is more germane to this discussion. Anyhow, he needs to go in either case along with every manager in the chain of command that is not forthwith about the truth.

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Dan, Like all Presidents that

Dan,

Like all Presidents that came before Obama, I don’t think he really cares about you or me. There is a level of narcissism that exists with the presidency, any they are preoccupied with being aristocrats rather than thinking about you and me.

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Dan, Predicting that people

Dan,
Predicting that people will die is a tautology for we all have a finite life expectancy.

Moreover, you need to provide more justification if you are claiming LePage is responsible for the deaths of two people; otherwise, we’ll just dismisses you claim as just another emotional outburst.

We’ll listen, but we need more to substitute you claim.

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Dan, As usual, blaming a

Dan,
As usual, blaming a single political party is revealing your emotion and clouding your argument.

If the “war on drugs” were purely and completely a republican idea, why don’t Democrats change the policy, especially when they controlled the congress and the white house?

Your behavior clouds the truth in our second sentence. That is, the war on drugs is a failure.

Like much in government, the war on drugs continues as is for two reasons in my opinion. The first reason has to with money – here is the enemy – give me money. The second has to do with power and control – or the illusion thereof, both reasons transcend parity affiliation.

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Mr. Moody, As an economist,

Mr. Moody,

As an economist, you know these things tend to self-correct eventually. I left the state over two decades ago to earn my riches elsewhere (i.e. where the jobs are located). I never looked back, and I never had an ounce of regret. You are correct in that I did not care, nor does one need to care, about the dynamics driving the local economy; I simply followed the jobs.

Maine has done little to improve the business situation over that time period. Due to the relatively harsher climate (i.e. winters) and rising energy costs, Maine is already disadvantaged at the starting gate, which makes it all the more challenging to attract new business. Couple that with Maine’s abrasive business climate…. Well, all that I can say is that Maine’s youth will continue to exit the state for better opportunity.

I remain optimistic that the self-correcting nature of our capitalist economy will eventually thaw out and persuade Maine policy makers to change course. Until then, I’ll continue to earn my riches elsewhere.

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Have you stopped licking that

Have you stopped licking that frog yet?

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This is just another example

This is just another example where a complicated tax system creates nooks and crannies; that is, the grey stuff around the edges that some see as opportunity. This is also an illustration how legislative good intent runs awry.

The moral of this story is there is value in keeping laws few and simple. If Mr. Poliquin is meeting the letter of the law, perhaps not the intent of the law, it is not his problem. Fault should lie with the legislators for creating too much law with lots of grey stuff around the edges.

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Funny you say that. I planted

Funny you say that. I planted two oak trees in my yard in 2000. Two years later it started producing acorns. A decade later, they produced so many acorns I lament planting those trees in the first place because I have to clean them up each year.

Go figure.

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Like most arguments for

Like most arguments for social justice, like your illustration, is based on a utopia that does not exist in the real world.

First, you assume a resource is infinite (i.e. acorns), which it is not. That being said, there will be individual competition for the resource as it becomes less available. People will tend to hoard – exhibit greed.

Secondly, say I notice the amount of acorns that individual’s desire are in diminishing supply; I expend the time, energy and sacrifice my acorns to plant and grow 50 oak trees; I harvest the acorns and sell them ; I become very wealthy.

The above is an illustration of equal opportunity, not equal outcome as you are purporting. Anyone could have planted their acorns like I did, but I’m the only one who did, so I benefit from my actions.
I know you mean well, but your argument is based on a contrived idealistic environment, which in no way models the real-world. In the real world, resources are finite, humans exhibit greed and envy, and status quo will not persist – that is, some people will be producers to supply the wants of the consumers in a society.

As proof, consider this mental exercise. Assume that all the wealth in the US is collected and distributed equally amongst the population; thereby providing equal opportunity as you espouse. Do you think the status quo will be maintained? No, in a very short time the wealth will be concentrated in pretty much the same hands as it was prior to equalization.

Why does this happen when everyone started with equal opportunity? It is because equal opportunity does not guarantee equal outcome. As humans, we are all have differently levels of intelligence, ambition, tolerance for risk, … , on and on.

In the real world, you can never, ever equalize outcome; therefore, your utopia is doomed to fail.

In that sense, perhaps you should reexamine your argument.

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Dan, I meant beating – my

Dan,
I meant beating – my bad.

You seem to selectively forget that there are two columns on the balance sheet – revenue and SPENDING.
A balanced budget only dictates that spending equal revenue.

There is no evidence that the budget cut will kill people even though you would like readers to believe that to be true.

When I read about the scientific method, Dan’s opinion was not mentioned anywhere in the text. You’ll have to present evidence to make your case.

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Oops - I meant beating.

Oops - I meant beating.

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Dan, Betting a dead horse

Dan,
Betting a dead horse will not make it move. Throwing money at every problem is not a long term solution.

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How much nanny state is too much?

All readers should note that an unintended consequence to publically administered healthcare is that they get to tell everyone what we can and cannot do. Where is the personal responsibility?

When the anti-smoking campaign started to gain popularity, I said it will not stop there and next it will extend to other personal behavior, such as diet. I was laughed at, but I was right.

Unless we grow a pair and tell the public we will not pay for your bad behavior, then this progression into some bureaucrat telling us what we should/shouldn’t do or can/can’t do will continue to ebb deeper in to our personal life.

Who’s to say the bureaucracy will make the correct decision? Just look at the food pyramid that is to heavily weighted toward high energy carbohydrates. Perhaps this is contributing factor in obesity; why not put fruits and vegetables at the pyramid base?

Well, I diverge. To that end, take your twinkly and … it, we don’t want your taxes.

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Given that there is an

Given that there is an existing estate tax and there exist a concentration of wealth with the top 1% as you read this post, you should reexamine your argument since the estate tax does not prevent wealth concentration.

The money I earn and legally pay taxes on, is my property.

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What would be interesting to

What would be interesting to know is whether the amount of bullying in schools has increased over the past 1, 2, or 3 decades.

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Dan, I understand your

Dan,
I understand your frustration in trying to justify a practice using moral argumentation that comes loose around the edges with a modicum of criticism.

My inebriated uncle has the best argument for justifying the estate tax that I've heard to date. “The government has to get its money somewhere and dead people cannot vote.” Perhaps that is what you should argue instead of trying to morally justify the practice.

But then, some people need to create the villain to morally justify taking what they have not earned.

I hope you enjoy the outdoors.

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Tina, While I’m not familiar

Tina,
While I’m not familiar with TANF’s requirements, I have no objections with the requirements you have stated with the possible exception of finding the other parent. Other than being required to report the whereabouts if known, a TANF recipient shouldn’t have spend time searching for the other parent. Unless a person goes underground for the rest of their life, they should be traceable through a myriad of mechanism, such as IRS records or credit records.

Moreover, I would expect TANF money not be considered “FREE” money. There are many people, myself included, work many hours for what we make, so it is hard for me to garner empathy on that point. There is truly no free lunch.

In closing, let me say I don’t mean any disrespect to your opinion, I’m merely expressing mine.

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Well Dan, what facts you gave

Well Dan, what facts you gave me should I use?

1. “they are TAXING your heirs,..” , or
2. “…public, it is entitled to get some back.”
3. None of the above.

Firstly, given that a molecule of minutia forced you to change your premise says loads.

Secondly, assume that I create a business, say in Thailand, and I amass my fortune. Since I did not use any public largess, I should not owe estate tax – correct? Again, a molecule of minutia clouds our premise.

I’ll give you that the estate should pay taxes on any gains that have not already been taxed, but the estate tax is far more aggressive.

So would you again like to justify the estate tax? Perhaps it is as simple as another method for a government, made of men who are subject to greed, to extract wealth from its citizens. No logical reason needed.

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Plain and simple – if you

Plain and simple – if you don’t vote, you don’t count!
You can attempt to twist the results all you want.

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So, if I mandate in my will

So, if I mandate in my will that 100% of my assets be liquidated and burnt, I should not have to pay estate tax since heirs did not inherit it – correct?

If the above statement is not correct, then it is the estate that is taxed, not the heirs.

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We should insist, as a

We should insist, as a prerequisite, an unmarried mother MUST identify the father, confirmed through DNA testing, as part of the eligibility process. Identifying the father as UNKNOWN means no benefits.

The father then has the choice to support the child or reimburse the state for the welfare cost plus administration fees.

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A sample size of 60 or fewer

A sample size of 60 or fewer individuals on this forum in a state of 1.3+ million doesn’t make a state consensus. Electing LaPage with 61% majority says otherwise.

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The priority should be to

The priority should be to eliminate the estate tax. The State should not be in the business of taking your money just because you die. Property rights should prevail.

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LaPage cut the top income tax

LaPage cut the top income tax rate from 8.5% to 7.95%. The top income tax rate kicks in for individuals making about $20,000.

So how does this tax cut only benefit the most fortunate?

Let me answer that question for you. Implicit in your diatribe is the individuals that make more should carry a progressively greater tax burden, or I should more appropriately say carry a disproportional amount of someone else’s spending.

Maine’s income tax is a flat tax for everyone earning above $20k. Isn’t 7.95% of 80K already more than 7.95% of 40K – isn’t that fair enough?

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If the good old days are the

If the good old days are the Bush era debt levels - I’m game.

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But close is good enough when

But close is good enough when it comes to horse shoes and grands.

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I just simply ignored you

I just simply ignored you inference to keep things on track, and to provide an intro into my second paragraph.

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Ronald, Are you violating

Ronald,

Are you violating copyrights by posting these pictures without permission?

Not that it really matters to me, but I cannot speak for everyone.

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Ronald, Ah, Modesty is

Ronald,
Ah, Modesty is subjective; therefore, the measure of a “Modest Proposal” is in the eye of the beholder (i.e. what does one gain or lose).

Likewise, this whole business of measuring “food insecurity” is subjective. Federal guidelines for measuring “food insecurity” are based on a survey of questions that focuses on emotion. We both know that basing a conclusion on emotion is not good science.

Where is the science behind the data? Where is the measure of caloric intake? What foods do the “poor” spend their money on? Could they be making better choice with the money they have? Where is that data???

A simple survey of emotion does not provide the correct picture. How many deaths in Maine during 2011 were contributed to Malnutrition? Compare this with the percent of Mainer’s that are classified as obese tells a completely different story in my opinion.

What is the story then?

The theme of the story has more to do with politics and money than science, the truth and compassion.

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Ronald, So what you are

Ronald,
So what you are saying is that the Governor is an advocate for childhood obesity?

On the one hand, we constantly hear new about the epidemic of childhood obesity.

On the other hand, we constantly hear how cuts in welfare are increasing food insecurity – a term that I find hilarious in itself.

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Mary, Let me speak candidly

Mary,
Let me speak candidly about another point of view. Many families are squeezed between rising costs, flat or reduced salaries, and the ever present treat of increasing taxes. We simply don’t what to pay anymore to support others for doing so is taking from our families.

Remember that those who fund your brand of philanthropy are human too, and we all have limits to what we are willing to pay in taxes. Gov. Lepage is simply reflecting the shifting tide of the welfare state and the tax and spend philosophies.

You are more than welcome to open your wallet a bit wider; no one will stop you.

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“Tax evasion on a massive

“Tax evasion on a massive scale has emerged as one of the key components of the Greek debt crisis.”

You must have read the New York Times article; however, they failed to properly address the depth of Greece’s shadow economy, which is a direct result of their high tax rates.

When a nation spends nearly 50% GDP on collected revenues of 40% GDP as in Greece, does their debt problem have more to do with spending too much or tax evasion? I would say it has more to do with spending too much.

America should learn from observing Greece when it comes to our tax and spend policies. All of us have a threshold as to how much taxation we’ll tolerate; Americans will move to the shadow economy when the Government gets too oppressive with its tax policies.

This is just human nature and the Government is foolish thinking we’ll remain obedient to the state when it becomes oppressive.

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but both are driven by [the

but both are driven by [the same] inner desire.

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Are not greed and envy

Are not greed and envy reciprocals of one another?

If I have more of something than you have, and I desire it, it’s greed.

If you have more than I have, and I desire it, it’s envy.

I guess it is greed when one is the winner and envy when one is the loser, but both are driven by inner desire.

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Now that is a pie hole!!!

Now that is a pie hole!!!

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Perhaps it was a slow news

Perhaps it was a slow news day.

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Robert, The solution is so

Robert,

The solution is so simple. Don’t attend the sporting events; this is not a life necessity.

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In the context of protecting

In the context of protecting the nation from yet unknown threat, isn’t better to have two means for transporting crude oil to refineries. Who’s to say that some future enemy of the U.S. would or would not be capable of controlling our coastal seaways? Having both means of transportation is far better than having one. In layman’s terms – don’t put all your eggs in one basket.

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Ronald, There are other

Ronald,

There are other considerations at play here than just jobs. There is a great strategic advantage to having oil transported to our country over an inland pipeline vs. our seaways, which are more susceptible to attack during times of war.

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Ronald, There are other

Ronald,

There are other considerations at play here that just jobs. There is a great strategic advantage to having oil transported to our country over an inland pipeline vs. our seaways, which are more susceptible to attack during times of war.

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Mr. Rhodes, The same freedom

Mr. Rhodes,

The same freedom that gives Paula Deen the right to be hypocritical gives us the freedom of personal responsibility to moderate or avoid her cuisine.

“This quickly emerging health-care crisis will cost us billions of dollars as these people age and develop Type 2 diabetes and heart disease.”

Well, this is an unexpected consequence when we treat healthcare as a collective responsibility.

We should use Mr. Rhodes' behavior as an example of what is to come as we move down a path of socialized healthcare – an increasing number of Nannies telling you what you should or shouldn’t be doing; an increasing number of Nannies telling you what you can or can’t do; an increasing number of Politicians legislating what to do or not do.

Perhaps Hew Hampshire got is right – Live Free or Die!

Or in Paula’s case – Eat Freely then Die.

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1. Bloomberg, Newsweek, Wall

1. Bloomberg, Newsweek, Wall Street Journal all report approximately the same profit margin for 2009 – about 2.2%. While I don’t like people sucking off the system, like the example you give, it is still peanuts even if you double or triple the data I presented. The takeaway is that eliminating healthcare insurers is not a panacea. While I’m unable to find supporting data as to the magnitude, healthcare insurers have driven the industry as a whole to be more efficient and thereby, reduced overall cost. So it makes it harder to say Healthcare insurers provide no value whatsoever.

2. Although you have a point about lawsuits, unnecessary tests are stated to be one of the top five cost drivers in healthcare costs. Doctor’s surveyed say they will schedule unnecessary tests to avoid potential lawsuits. So when you factor in unnecessary tests and the cost of malpractice insurances to cost of lawsuits, it starts to become significant.

3. Correct, not rocket science. If you consider filing insurance forms as record keeping, as I do, and the amount of man hours spent on filing these forms, there is measurable room for improvement. Having a filing system based on something like a HUD-1 settlement form used in Real estate for example could standardize the practice.

4. On the one hand, you may be right. On the other hand you may be assuming a faulty cause and effect relationship between single payer and longer life expectancies. There are cultural and lifestyles differences that are in play as well. For example, you frequently hear that the US worker is the most productive amongst developed economies. Perhaps this comes at a cost. U.S. workers work longer hours (hence increased productively). We don’t know whether stress associated with this circumstance contributes to decreased longevity? While access to health is an ostensible factor, it is not the only factor; that being said, you cannot make the connection that all will be well in a single payer system.

The real crux of this issue comes down to philosophy. Do you believe the free market can solve the problem or do you not. While I would not assert the current healthcare system is operating in a free market environment, it is much closer to being a free market system than a socialized system. In 2010 Taiwan’s healthcare system was rated best at providing care for the largest percentage of their population, and the lowest per capita cost. There healthcare is based on a free market system – go figure.

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So Ronald, you now see there

So Ronald, you now see there are other alternatives to a single payer (me too) system, which comes with its own set of problems. Moreover, you may be falsely assuming that a single payer (me too) system will, in fact, produce the same outcome, such as longer life expectancy or lower infant mortality rates without considering other factors such as lifestyle.

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Ronald, This information is a

Ronald,

This information is a bit dated, but in 2009 profit margin of Health insures ranked 35th at 2.2 percent[1]. Compare this with Pharmaceutical companies, which had a 19.3 percent profit margin in the same timeframe.

So imagine you got your wish and all Health insurers disappeared from the planet tomorrow and consumers pocketed the difference, that savings is insignificant compared all the variables driving healthcare costs. So instead of going after health insures or turning the system upside-down for Obamacare , which will and has created a new set of problems, why not first surgically attack the top 3-5 variables that are driving healthcare cost. This approach is more manageable and therefore easier to measure results, as compared to the new mess Obama created.

For example, why should we protect the drug markets for U.S. based Pharmaceuticals? Why not open our drug market to Canada or other industrialized countries that have similar levels of quality control as a starting point. Perhaps the competition will drive down drug costs.

Other things we can do an measure before gutting the system:
a. End-of-life care – Insurance companies and Medicare can limit the amount it pays for end-of-life expenses, which are much higher than other industrialized countries.
b. Cap punitive damages in malpractice lawsuits.
c. For the medical industry to use a standardize method of record keeping.

1. http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/09/how-profitable-...

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Ah, the first mistake you

Ah, the first mistake you make is to assume I want to continue with business as usual. The second mistake you make is believing that Congress will not succumb to lobbying interest that direct where healthcare are spent.

While a 4 minute mile has been demonstrated, it does not mean that I can accomplish a 4 minute mile. Likewise, just because other countries provide a single payer system, does not mean it can be achieved here, nor does it mean it is the best solution.

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You are okay with replacing

You are okay with replacing private insurance companies with another centralized agency (i.e. Obamacare) due to your implied assertion of greed?

Hmm! So Congress will be pure at heart, and they will do what is best for us? Perhaps this is an example of delusional behavior.

Remember, greed is a human behavior for which the private sector holds no monopoly.

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Mr. Rhodes, Funny how you

Mr. Rhodes,

Funny how you drop a nugget of history like this and not discuss the eventual outcome of the legislation – it was forth with corruption.

Our founding fathers, like us, are fallible. We cannot assume all decisions they made were wise. After all, Thomas Jefferson did vote to uphold slavery. Was that wise?

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Perhaps, can I apply for SSI?

Perhaps, can I apply for SSI?

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(A.K.A. Delusional Disorder)

(A.K.A. Delusional Disorder)

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Pretty much all

Pretty much all self-destructive behavior is associated with a mental illness these days. Passing judgment is being human; I have no problem being candid about that.

In closing, I found that my liberal friends are far less tolerant than my republican friends. Liberalism is a political philosophy; tolerance is a human behavior. The two are mutually exclusive.

On a lighter note, I now hear the Liberalism is a mental disorder - perhaps there will be a pill for that soon. Until then, I’ll just have to tolerate them :)

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Ronald, This discussion is

Ronald,

This discussion is turning into a slippery slope for me, but let me put it this way. As an ex-police officer you probably know who the repeat drunks are to some extent for example– correct? Helping those who will not help themselves would be at the bottom of my priority list.

I’m pretty sure you understand what I’m talking about since I guarantee you did not treat all, let’s say traffic stops, with the same degree of compassion and tolerance. In my opinion, it is just human nature to help someone who we think are innocent victim vs. someone who is self-destructive.

This discussion is a slippery slope since I’m generalizing something this is a bit more complex.

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Claire, You need to judge

Claire,

You need to judge for yourself [1]. Their data is pretty much in line with Maine Department of Revenue’s data, but historical data is a bit harder to find on the Department of Revenue’s web-site [2].

That being said, I must correct a misstatement. An unbalanced budget could also mean revenues are down due to an economic downturn even through the tax burden remains relatively flat as a percentage of income.

In either case, Maine need not raise taxes to cover the shortfall.

[1] http://www.taxfoundation.org/about/
[2] http://www.maine.gov/revenue/incomeestate/homepage.html

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Oops – improper verb tense –

Oops – improper verb tense – I’ll concede …

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Ronald, Well, at times I try

Ronald,
Well, at times I try to argue the opposite point of view; I'll conceded on this one.

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Claire, According to the Tax

Claire,

According to the Tax Foundation, Maine’s tax burden has been slightly more than 10% for the last 3 decades [1]. As personal income rise due to economic growth in the private sector, Maine has more revenue in absolute dollars.

In layman’s terms, Maine as already benefited from Robert’s pay increases, as well as mine.
Given that state revenue has grown pretty much in parallel with Maine’s economic growth, any budget short fall is due to increases in spending. Moreover, it is clear to the average reader that it is not sustainable to grow sending faster than economic growth – nor should we.

Perhaps you should see budget cuts as a corrective action to bring the system back to its norm.

Another interesting takeaway from [1] is that Maine’s tax burden is a few bias points above the national average while Maine’s mean income is significantly lower than the national average. The takeaway is that a Maine resident already pays a disproportional amount of their income as compared to the national average; do you want them to pay more?

[1] http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/458.html

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Robert, You are opening

Robert,

You are opening yourself up to lots of criticism, but you are saying something that I believe needs to be said. Maine as two choices: 1. Prune services today to a sustainable level and continue to have a safety net. 2. Continue on its current path until the system collapses of its own weight at which the entire safety net could disappear.

In my opinion, safety net service, along with the tax code (i.e. income credits) has become a stealthy way to redistribute income over the past 30 years, and it is now starting to crack at the edges.

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Ronald, My statement has

Ronald,

My statement has more to do about personal responsibility than displaying my mettle; yes, it does take strength of character at times to stand by watch someone reap the fruits of stupidity. Some individuals will learn from the experience, some individuals will not learn. Sometimes nature has a way of pruning the set of individuals that don’t.

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Criticism about maturity from

Criticism about maturity from a man who posts comic book images is priceless. Have a good weekend.

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Ronald, He looks like a

Ronald,
He looks like a scared little boy cowering in the background to me.

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“In Farmington, also on

“In Farmington, also on Sunday, a Farmington police officer was punched in the face as she attempted to guide a drunk man away from the middle of a busy street.”

Perhaps it is time to look the other way and let these people pass of their own stupidity.

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Steve, While this is perhaps

Steve,

While this is perhaps a pretty accurate statement of what is, we should also use this as a talking point to educate our youth in how to adapt to an ever changing global economy, financial planning, and now to suppress impulses (i.e. short-term thinking) that jeopardize long–term planning.

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“AARP found that the

“AARP found that the financial stress is stronger in central than in southern Maine, and is strongest among those with the least education.” – This statistic is nothing new. So we can say that young people who have just a basic high school education – no skilled trade or college – are starting their adult life with what may be a lifelong series of poor financial choices.

Moreover, moving from central Maine to Southern Maine, or even out of Maine, to find stable employment may be a necessary course of action. Not doing so to enhance employment choices is yet another poor choice.

In closing, globalization of world economies has and will continue to transform what we traditionally call the American Dream. Those individuals who are quicker to adapt will fare better economically than those who resist the change. Setting yourself apart from others, such as getting a college education, learning a trade, relocating to where jobs are more plentiful, or postponing starting a family until you establish your financial base could be the start of a series of good financial choices.

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Dan, If Lepage created a job

Dan,
If Lepage created a job for his daughter (as you assert) and created jobs to remove the mural (as you assert), then you cannot claim he did not create any jobs.

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Yes Claire, and the principal

Yes Claire, and the principal on the money we borrowed in 1950 to achieve this was never paid off. Moreover, we have continued to borrow since then to a point were $0.40 on every dollar spent is borrowed. This borrowed money has stimulated to a false equilibrium that cannot be sustained.

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Doris, What you are proposing

Doris,

What you are proposing is classical Keynesian economic theory. However, this theory may not work contemporarily:

Keynesian economics assumes a balanced budget (on average). That is during times of economic growth, taxes are increased to temper inflation. This surplus is later injected into the economy to stimulate it during a downturn. The Government has been growing the monetary base for decades thereby stimulating the economy to an unsustainable equilibrium. At some point, possibly now, the country can no long inject enough money into the economy to sustain the artificial equilibrium.

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Perhaps you are confused on

Perhaps you are confused on my position:

1. I am not picking up the mantle for protecting unborn children – I support choice.
2. Therefore, there are no lines to be drawn.
3. Mother’s should be charged for services, but allowed to pay in installments plans if necessary.

That is my position or opinion regardless of current law.
This discussion has gotten off the original topic, so this is my last response.

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Jason, Let’s face it.

Jason,
Let’s face it. Abortion is legal in the U.S., so that remains an option. That being said, any individual or group of individuals may offer financial incentives for the mother to carry to term.

That, in my opinion, is not the State’s business. The State is only obligated to obey existing law. My opinion aside, a State has the power to offer financial aid to discourage abortion if it so chooses since it is a power granted to the State; however, the State cannot outlaw abortion – at least until Roe vs. Wade is overturned.

In closing, a State has the power to offer financial aid to discourage abortions albeit counter to reducing expenses. It is the people's choice to where they want to spend their limited resources.

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Addendum:

5. If an individual leaves the state to avoid remitting on their debt, they are ineligible for most if not all state programs, including issuance of a driver’s license, for life. If an individual wishes to return to the state, they may do so, but they are responsible for paying all delinquent debt plus unpaid interest plus a responsible fine to cover administration costs. The goals of this prevision are to: A. Provide a path for forgiveness. B. Encourage dead beats to reside in another state.

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Jason, Before I response, let

Jason,

Before I response, let me say that you are now extending the discussion to prenatal care, where the original thread addressed providing for postnatal care.

Now, there is really nothing that states society must take responsibility. for pernatal care. For the sake of this discussion, let’s assume society ensures, to the best of its ability, the welfare of the child. I’ll layout one framework that attempts to hold individuals reponsible for the cost of prenatal care:

1. Debt – debt is incurred on behalf of the parents for prenatal and birthing costs. If the mother fails to name the father, then she bares the entire debt. The named father may challenge fathering the child through DNA testing. If the test affirms the named individual is the father, the cost of the DNA test is added to their debt. If the test result is negative, the cost of the DNA test is added to the mother’s debt.
2. Carrying the Debt – debt carrier may charge interest on the debt. The state offsets the cost of carrying this debt by offering tax credits for debt that is delinquent for X number of years. The offset could be 2-3x the debt amount.
3. Debt collecting – the state will assist in collecting unpaid debt through tax collection. Delinquent debt is paid out of any tax return if the individual’s income is under the poverty level. If an individual’s income is above the poverty level and they have delinquent debt, addition tax liability must be remitted to the state that is proportional to the amount of income above the poverty level along with collecting any tax refund the individual may be owed.
4. Forced Remittance – If an individual is capable of working, but fails to work, the state can force, through court order, an individual into community service for duration equal to the debt divided by the minimum wage.

Instead of forcing all expenses onto the taxpayer, the framework that I provided above attempts to hold the individual responsible for the cost they impose on society. While the taxpayer is still responsible for unpaid debt, there is a framework in place that attempts holds the individual responsible.
Ostensibly there is much detail that I left out, just consider my proposal a 100K foot overview.

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Notice that I did say in

Notice that I did say in general. There is room for much debate as to where the lines are drawn (i.e. the choices made).

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In general, tax revenues that

In general, tax revenues that are spent on programs such as roads, defense, and energy increase productivity and create economic growth. Tax revenues that are spent on programs that don’t increase productivity, such as senior care, inhibit economic growth.

That is not to say the latter is not necessary. Both are necessary. So we come full circle back to applying a finite amount of resources (i.e. money) to problems that will and will not increase economic growth. Choices must be made, and you can agree or disagree.

So does that answer your question as to why we should build gas pipelines over applying all those resources to, say medicine? In summary, it is to spur economic growth which will also grow revenue over time.

Since I don’t own a TV, I cannot comment on what Fox news says or does not say.

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Claire, You’re taking too

Claire,
You’re taking too much liberty with extrapolating my comments to apply new meaning, or perhaps you're just shooting off on a tangent.

You’re welcome to ask any questions you wish. At the end of the day there is typically not enough money to provide everything to everybody. That being said, cuts have to be made to balance the budget.

Now you can question (or demand if you wish) more money, say for healthcare as an example, but I can equally oppose raising taxes to satisfy your request.

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Jason, I agree, if enacted,

Jason,

I agree, if enacted, cuts should apply to both. However, since the elderly typically use more health care resources (aka bigger piece of the pie), then I would expect more cuts in absolute dollars to be taken from the elderly.

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Claire, For the sake of

Claire,
For the sake of brevity, I will not dispute your observations about spending.

That being said, 40% of each federal dollar is borrowed, spending cuts must be deep. In my opinion, suffrage will get worse before we lower our standard of living to an affordable position.
Neither Democrats nor Republicans (accept for possibly a few freshman R’s) are prepared to reduce spending to a level necessary that results in a zero balance sheet.

So what does one do? Oppose any new tax increases. Reconciliation will eventually come – the sooner the better. The simple truth is that the current level of spending is not sustainable.

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Yes Claire that is “The way

Yes Claire that is “The way life should be;” however, many times the way life should be does not coexist in the same plane with reality.

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Claire, Over the past three

Claire,
Over the past three decades, practically every tax increase was argued in a similar manner: Just a few dollars a year will not make that much difference. That being said, today when I take into consideration Federal, State, Local, Sales, DMV, etc…, nearly 50% of my income goes to the government. I don’t want to pay any more taxes, so I’ll fight tooth and nail over one penny.

Instead of squeezing the taxpayers for more, you should address the spending side of the balance sheet.

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Mark, If you don’t like the

Mark,

If you don’t like the car analogy, perhaps you have an unused room in your house and the homeless have a need for shelter.

My guess is that your attitude is different when it comes to your property – am I correct?

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Mark, Can the government

Mark,

Can the government determine that you don’t need your car and give it to someone who does? Moreover, if you don’t want to give up your car, well, shame on you.

While this is an extreme example, it does illustrate that determining what one needs or does not need, then subsequently confiscating property for redistribution is a slippery slope in a free society.

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Mike, Perhaps both Angus and

Mike,

Perhaps both Angus and John remain as ignorant as ever, and they are not bothered in the least. Or perhaps they are like many who post herein and think they can just keep extracting money form the rich.

Moreover, the fact that many people fail to define what constitutes rich shows they have no clue of whether the rich have adequate resources to pay for all the programs people are demanding.

Perhaps if we put numbers to paper, we would quickly conclude that the collective greed of the many far exceeds that ability for the “rich” to pay.

Mark

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Ronald, I somewhat agree with

Ronald,

I somewhat agree with you, but I would word your statement as follows:

To kick in for our children and grandchildren when Insurance and Maine-Care runs out of resources.

The later identifies the existence of limited government resources – a real-world phenomenon.

Mark

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“I'm not trying to pick on

“I'm not trying to pick on seniors here, but it seems when people talk about about where to make cuts, programs that benefit Generation X and Millennials are first to get cut and any talk about cutting programs for Baby Boomers and Greatest Generation is taboo. Yet, Generation X, Millennials, our kids and grandkids will be the ones who get to deal with this debt that we had no say in accruing.”

Answer:
A greater amount of money is spent caring for the elderly. That is, this slice of pie is larger…

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Dan, You again make the

Dan,
You again make the faulty assumption that all Republicans rolling in cash that they dish out “to their cronies.” Not true! There are poor republicans too.

You again make the faulty assumption that all the revenue problems can be solved by taxing the rich without realizing you cannot extract enough revenue from the rich to balance the budget.

Mark Gravel – Libertarian.

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“Secondly, lets just say they

“Secondly, lets just say they were a bunch of kids. Would you prefer they got an abortion? That would be the most cost effective solution.”

Answer:
They have to manage on their own, just like you and me. If the child is put in unsafe living conditions, then child services should remove that child for adoption.

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Phyllis, The difference

Phyllis,

The difference between Stephen King and Gov. LePage is as wide as the Grand Canyon. You see, Stephen king is spending his money in a manner he sees fit (kudos to him for helping people with that money.), whereas Gov. LePage is responsible for spending other people’s money – our tax dollars. Therefore, he must be more prudent; he must limit what he spends.

Federal, State, and local governments must limit the money they take from citizens. Therefore, money government can reasonably extract is finite. Services that government provides are proportionally finite.
While we should thank Mr. King for his philanthropy, I don’t think he would sacrifice the lifestyle that he worked hard to achieve in order to donate. Compare this to us rank and file citizens that struggle from paycheck to paycheck being taxed more for the State’s philanthropy . He fortunately has enough resources to live the lifestyle he wishes and donate – good for him.

So in closing, perhaps you should consider where the money comes from before you make such a comparison in the future – Mr. King donates of his own free will as compare to at the point of gun trough taxation. That is the difference Phyllis.

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So you are willing to through

So you are willing to through away any jobs the Keystone pipeline would create in the U.S. simply because the pipes are not made in the USA – can we afford to be that picky?

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I few counter points to consider about the keystone pipeline.

1. The 90K jobs you purport are needed per month to employ new entrants into the labor market ostensibly need to come from a plurality of employers; we have to start somewhere, so we should not ignore jobs the keystone pipeline would provide – no matter how scant.

2. The oil markets are global, so ostensibly there is no guarantee that this oil transported over the keystone pipeline will remain in the U.S. That being said increased number of crude oil barrels available to the global market would increase supply and thereby decrease per barrel cost.

3. Regardless of whether this oil travels south to Texas, west or east, it will be extracted and sold on the open market. That is, full exploitation of tar sands is likely to occur regardless of the keystone pipeline.

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It is up to Patti to decide

It is up to Patti to decide whether to ban me or not.

But you did still view the video after my warning of inappropriate content!

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My bad. I’ve asked the SJ

My bad. I’ve asked the SJ staff to pull the URL.

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Please pull the above URL on

Please pull the above URL on my behalf.

Please accept my apology for posting the URL until I screened the entire video.

There is inappropriate language toward the end of the video.

Mark Gravel

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Warning, there is some

Warning, there is some inappropriate language at the end of this video that I was unaware of.

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Warning, there is some

Warning, there is some appropriate language at the end of this video that I was unaware of.

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How to debate ....

Talking this some on this blog and this youtube video have a lot in common. Can you spot the similarities?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ZvQsP48pQ&feature=related

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Who is greedy here Dan? I am

Who is greedy here Dan?

I am not wealthy, but it is not I who is asking for more money from others. It is you. You are really living in an upside-down world aren’t you!

What is the pot calling the kettle again? So what is it Dan? What is wealth to you? We are listening.

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Trust and Verify!

Nancy,
Unfortunately the truth is unknown until history is written in many cases.

Everyone needs to trust and verify. Take what politicians say with a grain of salt and see if their promises are consistent with their past voting record.

Ask yourself whether politicians are offering goodies that we all know cannot be paid for.

Remember – trust and verify.

Mark

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Any piece of legislation that

Any piece of legislation that is crafted in secrecy and is thousands of pages long cannot be good.

One must also ask who will pay for this “Affordable Care”?

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Dan, Please refresh my memory

Dan,
Please refresh my memory as to what I forgot.

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Fixed Typo

Dan,
The $150M tax relief affects individuals at pretty much all income levels. That is why you cannot close the $120M shortfall without touching a large number of taxpayers.

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Dan, The $150M tax relief

Dan,
The $150M tax relief affects individuals at pretty much all income levels. That is way you cannot close the $120M shortfall without touching a large number of taxpayers.

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Perhaps your tone rubbed off

Perhaps your tone rubbed off on me. I’ll work on cleaning it up.

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Mark, The answer to that

Mark,
The answer to that question is simple. If the Government overspends by 40%, then all departments get a budget reduction of 40%.

I would rather see Congress cut the fat and unnecessary (perhaps all) subsidies; however, given that they are incompetent, the simple approach – across the board cuts – is the answer in my opinion.

Mark

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Mark, Dan and others of

Mark,
Dan and others of similar mindset will not put numbers to paper since they know it will not make sense. It is better to keep the assertion floating in the ether-space for that reason. The motive is not to make a cogent argument but rather attack based on emotion – the emotion of envy and greed.

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Dan, I challenge you to show

Dan,

I challenge you to show the math. Just like when you said the State should tax the rich $500.00 year to close a $120M budget shortfall. Your intent was to tax the 1%, but your math worked out to really tax 50% of the tax base.

Here is a cut-n-paste from my previous response:

“There are about 445K taxpayers in the State of Maine. Now if you tax the “rich” $500.00 per year to cover a $120M shortfall, then you’ll need about 240K taxpayers to pony up $500.00 per year.”

Given your track record, you need to show the math. Otherwise, we’ll assume you are dishing out partisanship.

Mark

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Mark, You know Dan is fibbing

Mark,
You know Dan is fibbing when he mentions “Democratic Plan” and “revenue natural” in the same post.

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Dan, I’m a bit perplexed with

Dan,

I’m a bit perplexed with your math!

If the income tax code is altered, but is revenue neutral, you have the same amount of money to spend on services.

How does this fix anything?

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Dan, Rev Taylor is talking

Dan,

Rev Taylor is talking about charity from self. Not state sponsored charity. Republicans just want to cut out the middle man. Rev Taylor knows the community’s needs better than some Bureaucrat in Washington.

Mark

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Dan, You’re responses are so

Dan,

You’re responses are so predictable.

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Okay, who is the Grinch?

Okay, who is the Grinch?

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I second that motion!

I second that motion!

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Al, Perhaps we should apply

Al,
Perhaps we should apply that theory throughout all facets of Government and stop borrowing $0.40 on every dollar.

Moreover, just say no to Obama’s attempt to raise the debt ceiling.

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Jonathan, All that you have

Jonathan,

All that you have to do is look at the national debt trend to see how Obama solves his problems. How can you say that this level of spending is not disastrous for this country, so tell me how affordable is that health care? I guess one does not think about that if they don’t pay for it?

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Richard, Firstly, you are

Richard,
Firstly, you are wrong that our leaders don’t prioritize. Both Democrats and Republicans prioritize reelection over something that you and I would see to be a more reasonable set of priorities, such as what you proposed. That being said, we shouldn’t say they cannot prioritize, but rather say their priorities are wrong.

Secondly, you need to be more specific when you asset Congress should increase tax on the wealthiest Americans. What defines the wealthiest and how much should they be tax. You need to put this in quantitative terms. Perhaps you would change your assertion if you ran through the numbers. You would probably find out:
a. You could not extract enough revenue from the wealthiest to
make a difference in the budget short fall.
b. The wealthiest already pay a disproportionate amount in
Federal Taxes.

But then again, keeping the “tax the rich” mantra in subjective terms keeps you from the facts. Man up, put real numbers and faces to your assertion.

Mark

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Ostensibly you should not

Ostensibly you should not commit yourself to a situation that you are not suited to manage– apply a bit of common sense here please.
Perhaps you answered your own question: “Most of these residents don't just need a place to live, they need care and attention.”

Most is not all, so there must be a segment of the senior population that you may be able to help. For example, you could volunteer to visit seniors periodically to make sure their needs are being met and perhaps bring them meals.

Here is the URL where you can volunteer for Meals on Wheels: http://www.seniorspectrum.com/About/volunteering.html

Now, if you are unable to drive, you can still volunteer and ride along, talk to seniors, and deliver food.

In closing, you have the ability to help those who don’t fall in to your “most” category; this can free up resources to help those who need the assistance the “most”.

I dare this woman to get involved.

Mark

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Carl, It certainly sounds

Carl,
It certainly sounds like you are contributing. It is sad to hear that your property has been vandalized and especially sad to hear that some of the senior patrons have to live in fear.

You have the power of the pen and internet access – document and publish the goings on and see if you can get it cleaned up. All that said, be careful for you and your wife's saftey.

Have a good new year.

Mark

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At times there seems to be a

At times there seems to be a lost connection to the origin of these funds that fuel services.

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Carl, I just read your

Carl,
I just read your profile. I see you are living in The Towers on Blake St., perhaps you can volunteer to assist others who are worse off than you if you don’t do so already. Every little bit helps improve someone’s life.

I see you have computer skills and access to the internet – ostensibly. Since access to the internet is becoming more of a necessity than a luxury, perhaps you can assist those in your immediate community with conducting business or finding information that is available on the internet for those without internet access or the necessary skills to access such resources.

Mark

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Have I adopted a senior into

Have I adopted a senior into my home? No, but I do volunteer my time to Meals on Wheels.

Now, how do you contribute?

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Claire, Perhaps you missed

Claire,
Perhaps you missed the sarcasm. You need to set your emotions aside for a moment and look at the problem pragmatically.

How is the state going to continue to fund this program (and others), especially with an aging population? This is not an easy problem to solve.

You carp about what the State should and should not do, but what do you contribute? Would you get off your a** and volunteer to help these people in need, perhaps you already do, or do you just feel that someone else should foot to bill?

I volunteer for Meals on Wheels in my City; what do you do to contribute?

Instead of arriving at the potluck empty handed relying on others to bring food, cook something and bring it to the party – get the point – get involved!

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Dan, The bigger problem is

Dan,
The bigger problem is that no program wants to see cuts, and that is not realistic.

There are about 445K taxpayers in the State of Maine. Now if you tax the “rich” $500.00 per year to cover a $120M shortfall, then you’ll need about 240K taxpayers to pony up $500.00 per year.

Cleary you are dipping deep into the middle class, not just the rich.

You see Dan, this simple exercise illustrates where the “tax the rich” mentality breaks down. There is simply not enough money to go around for everyone’s program. Government has committed to spending far beyond what the economy and the people can sustain.

Moreover, as government spending continues to grow and the economy remains lackluster, there are more cuts on the horizon.

Now you can bury your head in the sand and not realize this, but the situation will correct itself sooner or later regardless of your course of action.

Now you have to ask yourself, do you want attempt a soft landing or do you want to wait for total collapse? You should give some thought to the number of people who will be hurt by the later choice as compared to the former.

Therefore, as you contemplate the fate of those impacted by today’s budget cuts, consider what tomorrow would look like if the economy stalls due to over-taxation. Think about it!

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Claire, Perhaps you should

Claire,
Perhaps you should replace your outrage with action; adopt one of these seniors! Give them free shelter at your home.

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Good summary Bob, but now I

Good summary Bob, but now I fall asleep to the sound of crickets waiting for Dan’s reply.

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Elephant looks like it’s

Elephant looks like it’s charging to stomp on that Donkey!

Al, don’t confuse having the moxie to make the hard choices with a lack of compassion. At times, doing what is necessary hurts and appears on the surface to lack compassion, but it is better for all in the long run.

Mark

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Crystal, Perhaps you should

Crystal,
Perhaps you should use “Supply Side Economics” in the proper context instead of your narrow definition you so choose to provide the readers?

Supply side economics supports LOWER marginal tax rates for all, not NO taxes for the rich. You are confusing an economic theory with what are perhaps bad policy choices and your emotions.

The two are mutually exclusive.

Moreover, if the Senate cannot muster 60% support for a Bill, perhaps it is not worthy of passage into Law.

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The 2012 Department of

The 2012 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill, passed by both houses and signed by President Obama, allows the military to arrest and detain indefinitely U.S. Citizens on U.S. soil without due process.

This Law will hopefully be challenged in the U.S. Supreme Court for violating the due process clause in the fifth amendment of our constitution.

So where do you stand on this law?

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So tell me how the outcome

So tell me how the outcome would be different between corrupt leaders of a Capitalist country and corrupt leaders of a Socialist country both of which whom can be bought by big business?

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Finally,, a breath of sanity!

Finally,, a breath of sanity!

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1. “Actually a tax on profits

1. “Actually a tax on profits might not help the price of fuel for the reasons stated, but- the tax itself might help the general economy.” – You’ll need to provide more background to support this assertion. According to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, the personal savings rate for 2011 is below 5%, which is about twice as much as in 2010 – 2.5%. What does this mean? It means the most people have a propensity to spend 100% of their income. If your assertion is based on the amount of money in circulation, then taxing more will not yield you much here; it will simply redirect money to a non-optimal use. Moreover, the Federal has been injecting far more money into the economy than a tax increase on fuel can without substantive positive economic results.

2. “Can Big Oil pass it on? sure but the market place wouldn't stand for it and sales would go down. Prices get lowered to increase sales etc.” – although demand ostensibly affects prices; since when does a tax increase on fuel influence demand in such a magnitude that the post-tax price per gallon is less than the pre-tax price per gallon? While higher prices may affect personal usage, it will have little effect on commerce. Take food distribution for example, increased gas prices will simply get passed on to the consumer. If taxes where increase in such excess that the post-tax price is cheaper due to significant demand reduction, I would say the economy has just entered a new depression.

In closing, I’ll second your motion to remove fuel subsidies, in fact, all business subsidies. I challenge you to show me data where a fuel tax increase affects long term fuel prices.

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We have to get Mary credit.

We have to get Mary credit. She did ignite a pretty hot thread – 45 comments so far.

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The filibuster is a useful

The filibuster is a useful tool in granting power to the minority. I would also add that the Dems can make use of this tool when they become the minority parity.

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Ronald, It seems logical to

Ronald,

It seems logical to use the filibuster to your advantage when the alternative is to be overrun by the Dems - and why are we supprised?

Merry Christmas

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Dan, You shouldn’t assume

Dan,

You shouldn’t assume that your readers have an institutional knowledge of which you allege. Providing supporting material is helpful.

My suggestion is to resist that emotion need to fire back and provide more breath in your responses.

Merry Christmas

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Claire, Perhaps a refresher

Claire,

Perhaps a refresher class in economy 101 is in order here: “A tax on the most outrageous oil company profits would bring the price down pretty fast.”

Really, where did you get this hair brain idea?

The more likely behavior is that these oil companies would just pass the tax on to the consumer which would have the opposite affect than what you asset.

The only way to reduce cost is to shift the demand curve left, supply curve right, or both. Given that oil is a finite resource and the entry-level for new suppliers is high, don’t expect to see a reprieve in prices anytime soon.

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The US State Department,

The US State Department, which has to approve the Keystone pipeline because it crosses international borders, was scheduled to approve the project this month. The State Department suddenly decided to postpone their decision until after the 2012 presidential election.

That decision came after stark protests from a number of environmental groups that oppose the project. Obama stated that he would “oppose” any legislation that attempts to approve the project until 2013.

The opposition is purely political to appease one of Obama’s biggest contributors, environmental groups. No reason other than the need to explore alternative routes for the pipeline was given for the delay. The administration had plenty of time to comment during earlier environmental studies, but did not.

Obama has before him a turnkey project that would help the country’s energy and unemployment situation, and he obstructs it purely for political reasons.

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I have to somewhat agree with

I have to somewhat agree with Ronald.

This is one of those posts I just pasted over – no clue to what point the writer is trying to make.

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Dear Mary, While I empathize

Dear Mary,

While I empathize with your plight, many past Presidents have contributed to the current state of our economy. Given those practices of mismanagement continue under the current administration, such as deficit spending and lack of coherent energy policy, expect this trend of raising energy and food prices to continue unabated.

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Now, Now Dan; obstructionist

Now, Now Dan; obstructionist behavior is not all that one sided. Let’s take my comment about a coherent energy policy for example. President Obama is obstructing the Keystone pipeline, which would help our domestic energy consumption and help mitigate our dependency on Middle East oil.

Moreover, it would provide for desperately needed jobs in this country. Why would Obama be against this project? Perhaps he is cow towing to the environmentalist groups, which happen to be a big Obama contributor?

As you can see, obstruction is a two-way street.

While your propensity to blame Republicans for all problems and assume Obama has all the right answers is amusing, it is not grounded in fact, and you are really missing the bigger picture. Until you and many other people like you realize that, the political landscape will remain unchanged.

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I commend you for backing up

I commend you for backing up your claims with supporting facts. Thank you.

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Dan, The lack of a coherent

Dan,
The lack of a coherent energy policy, both under the Bush administration and continuing under the Obama administration, have contributed to sharp increases in energy, which ripples throughout the economy and seen in such things as increased food, heating oil, and gas prices.

Another contributor is the devaluation of the US currency, which makes commodity imports more expensive and makes commodity exports more attractive. Commodity exports shift right the demand curve and drive up prices domestically.

That being said, the President can affect food prices. A coherent energy policy that includes increased natural gas usage in cars and heating, coupled with increased domestic energy production in addition to reduced borrowing would be a good starting point.

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There you go again Dan;

There you go again Dan; challenge someone’s assertions without providing a counter example.
What facts are not correct?

It is easy to just claim Mary’s facts are wrong without saying which facts are wrong.

Providing just one counter example would make for a better read.

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“Yes, let’s follow the

“Yes, let’s follow the governor’s wishes and put him away so that responsible people in Augusta can get on with the business of the state of Maine and its people.”

Do you mean the same “responsible” people who created this mess?

Pretty much everyone agrees the State spends beyond its means, but no one wants to be the recipient of budget cuts, which by the way is the solution.

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Ronald, Perhaps the comments

Ronald,

Perhaps the comments were hand-picked to establish a specific tone for the message?

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Claire, This is probably one

Claire,
This is probably one of the only times I agree with your opinion. Congress has grown too big and too elitist. Now that we have established a problem exists, how do we fix it? How do we fix it, especially if we cannot effect change at the ballot box.

In my opinion we fix it by taking money out of the federal government. Keep our tax dollars local where we can eye it more closely and be more effective at holding people who control it accountable.

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Perhaps Dan’s view of the

Perhaps Dan’s view of the world is similar to several of my coworkers – they measure fairness in absolute dollars, not percentages. What do I mean? Take two people, one making $50K/yr. and the other making $100K/yr. – hypothetically speaking.

They both get taxed at the top rate and both receive a 0.5% reduction in their tax rate. Ostensibly the person making twice as much will have twice as much benefit in absolute dollars from the tax cut over the other. However, this is seen as unfair by some since one person benefited twice as much as the other.

Hence, the person who benefited more in absolute dollars can afford to pay more - enter stage left the progressive tax code.

My coworkers feel that everyone should have about the same number of absolute dollars in their pocket to spend, and if you make more than that, you should be taxed more because you can afford it. There is nothing in their formula accounting for hard work and achievement. That line of thinking sounds kind of Marxist to me!

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Dan, Perhaps you’re a bit

Dan,
Perhaps you’re a bit confused. I’m not asking you to prove Roberts assertion. I’m asking you to provide proof to back your assertion that Robert’s assertion is in error.

You are free to “believe” what you wish, but a “belief” is not a fact; it is an opinion, and you know what are opinions are like.

In closing, you present no evidence to support your premise, which is okay. We’ll read your opinion, but don't expect to change minds.

Merry Christmas

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Okay, so that equates to

Okay, so that equates to 22,000 Millionaires – still not going to happen.

Where are your numbers?

Where is your back of the napkin calculation?

I’m waiting. Well, I’m not waiting too long since I know you will not produce supporting evidence to back your claim – as usual.

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The numbers don’t lie…

The numbers don’t lie…

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Genia Graham: While stating

Genia Graham:

While stating that health care should be right sounds compassionate, we do live the real world where someone has to pay for it – there is truly no free lunch.

While there are many approaches that our society can take to reduce the cost of healthcare, Gov. LePage has to address a budget that out strips the State’s revenues.

As for the Obama plan, well, just let me say that few people have yet to figure out his plan is not affordable – they will in time.

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Joe, You present many good

Joe,

You present many good points.

The entire premise of the constitution is to limit Government’s power; thereby, protecting freedoms of its citizenry.

Our founding fathers were well aware how a centralized government will seek to gain increasing power and control over the people it governs – sound familiar?

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Mr. Sturgis, My condolences

Mr. Sturgis,

My condolences to your father. However, as a reader of your letter, I need to ask a question. Did your father smoke?

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Dan, Let me state

Dan,
Let me state unequivocally that I am no fan of large government. Neither the Republican party nor the Democrat party (or any party) has a monopoly on damaging this country. I just gave you a contemporary example.

If thinking critically and beyond party lines makes me a hopeless cause, then so be it. I rather be a hopeless cause (and free) than a slave to a political party.

Keep in mind that Politicians are human, just like you and me, and as such make good decisions and bad decisions. Anyone who faults one party for our country’s problems is not applying critical thinking.

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“Tax breaks will break U.S.”

“Tax breaks will break U.S.” – Really? Perhaps going broke has more to do with the spending side of the balance sheet – you think? So what you are saying is that the country was fine with decades of deficit spending, but the payroll tax cut – about $50B of a $1.2+ Trillion budget deficit - will break the U.S.?

I’m extremely perplexed with the number of people saying the sky is falling due to tax cuts without understanding the bigger picture.
Let’s play a mental exercise and assume both the payroll tax and the Bush tax cuts expire. Would the budget balance?

Ostensibly, no.

Spending more money than you take in is the road to breaking the U.S. – not tax breaks.

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There you go again Dan trying

There you go again Dan trying to blame Republicans for all the Country's ills. Our nation's problems are broader than any one political parity. Your claims are simply statistically impossible.

For example, just this week both Republicans and Democrats created the first ever police state with the passage of the defense bill – the military now has the right to arrest and detain any American suspected of terrorist activities for an indefinite period of time on American soil without due process.

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Adding to Ernest’s comment,

Adding to Ernest’s comment, why do you think politicians spend millions of dollars running for a congressional seat that pays, what, less than 200K a year?

There is a lot of money to be made being on the inside.

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Let the universities learn a

Let the universities learn a lesson in Capitalism! Let them keep raising tuition to a point where their customers go elsewhere.

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We should not forget that

We should not forget that greed has many faces. I read a lot about wanting to squeeze more from the rich for to provide benefits for themselves. Perhaps there is a bit of greed and envy in the “tax the rich” message.

If the rich truly have the ability to loot the treasury, simply taxing them more may just incent them to loot more? Perhaps a more productive and longer lasting solution is to stop the looting.

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That realization is the first

That realization is the first step in adjusting to the current state of affairs.

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The law ostensibly applies to

The law ostensibly applies to all of us.

That being said, all citizens and legal residents have a right to challenge any law they feel is unjust in an appropriate manner.

Challenging the new permit policy is a far cry from instituting Sharia Law, so I’m a bit baffled why you bring that up. It is irrelevant to the discussion.

I’m generally opposed to airport taxi permits. In my opinion, it serves no purpose other than to limit access to the air terminal; perhaps to protect profits for a selected few at the expense of higher customer fares.

We should all remember that challenging government expansion is as American as apple pie or have we all forgotten what freedom means?

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1. “..monitor the number of

1. “..monitor the number of taxicabs filling up the drop-off/pickup zone” – This task has nothing to do with permitting. There is only a finite number of slots available in the drop-off/pickup zone that are shared amongst all drivers; moreover, the amount of traffic competing for these drop-off/pickup slots is a function of the number of travelers wanting to enter or exit the air terminal, not the number of taxi drivers with/without permits. TSA regulations prevent anyone for hovering at the drop-off/pickup zone, so if there are not enough slots, cabs just have to circle the terminal.

2. “ensuring there are enough cabs available to provide the service people need.” – Again, this has nothing to do with permitting. It is a function of economics. Assume that you are a taxi driver with an airport permit. That being said, you can get 2x the income if you provide service to the Maine Mall – where would you solicit fares – the mall or the airport? Taxi drivers will flock to where the money is to be made.

3. “Renewing their permits in person ensures that cab drivers will be there for the travelers.” - This is also false. Drivers will seek to maximize their incomes whether it is the airport or not. Having a permit will not force drivers to favor the airport over some other venue that makes them more money.

In closing, it is pure economics that drives taxi cab availability. Historically, an air terminal provides for more and higher fares. Perhaps that is the real reason behind the permits; the permits don’t ensure service, it limits access to the air terminal and drives up consumer fares Your argument is simply turned inside out.

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Dear Lawrence, You touch on

Dear Lawrence,
You touch on some relevant points; however, your facts about laid-off, well-educated members of society are in stark contradiction with unemployment data from the Bureau of Statistics – unemployment rate for college educated workers is about 4.3% [1], which is not too shabby.

George Fogg accurately points out the U.S. economy as transformed, and so should the workers. I would personally favor careers that are less prone to outsourcing, such as the trades which George mentions.
I personally would like to see the U.S. being the manufacturing hub of the world, but that is not going to happen – at least until labor costs are on par (or below par) with developing economies.

In closing, perhaps you should also focus some attention to the spending side vs. strictly revenue side (i.e. taxes) of the middle class burden. The problem is more complicated than simply the rich making too much money; you are simply playing the envy game, which is a form of greed in of itself.

[1] http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

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I would agree, but be careful

I would agree, but be careful with the wording.

We want to cap SPENDING to a percentage of GDP. A constitutional amendment mandating a balanced budget is dangerous. How? It leaves two options to balance the budget – cut spending or raise taxes – you can guess the outcome can’t you?

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Whether you have an R or D by

Whether you have an R or D by your name, this Government is spending us into bankruptcy. That being said, I would rather have lower taxes along the way. Fundamentally, I make better choices in how I spend my money.

Regardless of whether I’m taxed more or not, the Government still finds a way to keep piling up debt. That is not to mention how the Government spends unwisely – it waste boatloads of money. Why in the hell to I want to send them more.

Reading this post is like watching kids arm wrestle to see whose R or D ran this country into the bankruptcy the fastest. A bit silly don’t you say?

By the way Ronald, how is that arm of yours doing?

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Where is the “All of the

Where is the “All of the above” checkbox?

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“Can the parrot hear the

“Can the parrot hear the cricket?” Not if his head is as far up as ….

Let’s see it for what it is - all Presidents have successes and failures. I'll added that there are two major Presidential failures that span multiple administrations.

1. Spending beyond our means. Just measure the rate of increase in the national debt. Bush was worse than Clinton and now Obama is worse than Bush. In the end it is the American taxpayer (present and future) and the overall U.S. economy that will suffer.

2. Crony-Capitalism - both major parties play this game to enrich themselves either monetarily or politically.

So perhaps you can add a few of failures to your list of kudos in order to show balance, such as all the money wasted on green energy scandals or the approximately $500B dollars of unspent stimulus money (where in the hell did that money go?), or the inability to get to the bottle of “Fast and Furious”.

In closing, anyone can selectively pick singularities from a Presidential administration to show that a sitting or past president is a success or failure or perhaps good or evil.

Perhaps it is time for all of us to remove the jaded color glasses in order to move the country forward.

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Perhaps if you spoke out in

Perhaps if you spoke out in the slightest manner against the warlord, you would lose your life and the lives of your family.

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It does appear these drivers

It does appear these drivers are sharing the special permits, but I still question the need to have such a rule in the first place.

Perhaps customers would get better pricing if the field was open to more competition.

Basically this rule limits supply and therefore artificially establishes an intersection in the supply and demand curves. The end result is artificially higher prices for the customer.

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In a free market, I’m

In a free market, I’m wondering why any taxi driver has to pay special fees to solicit a fare at the airport? It sounds kind of like having to pay the mob to me.

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Dan, For sake if discussion,

Dan,
For sake if discussion, let’s agree that bigots rarely know they are bigots, so we can focus on my original statement. My original statement is that you frequently and unfairly call people bigots with little to back it up.

Moreover, it really seems illogical that you can make such claim about someone with reading the smatter of postings on this web-site. I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but you are not clairvoyant and cannot see into people’s hearts by reading these opinions.

Any rational adult would backup such claims with facts leading to their conclusion, so should you!

Provide facts, or stop the name calling.

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Dan, You assert that Dr.

Dan,

You assert that Dr. Shields is a bigot and is hateful.

What are your facts leading you to this conclusion?

If you are not willing to back your claim with facts leading to this assertion, then perhaps you should lay off the name calling.

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Calling someone a bigot is a

Calling someone a bigot is a very serious accusation, and should not be levied without substantiating facts.

Calling someone a bigot at the drop of a hat simply because one disagrees with another writer’s opinions is simply childish and should always be challenged.

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“And when I call someone on

“And when I call someone on being a bigot, it's always valid…”

Wow, how to respond? The idiocy of that statement is extremely transparent to all readers, so I’ll leave it that.

Take solace though, we agree that employers of illegal immigrates should be punished; however, I say with heavy fines to reimburse the taxpayers for subsidizing their workforce.

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Dan, You are correct. You can

Dan,
You are correct. You can say I was pulling a “Dan” on you. Meaning, I implicitly stated your intentions. Something you do often when you throw down the word “bigot” at the drop of a hat. Not fair is it?

That aside, it is clear in my opinion that providing cheap labor for business is one of the factors why Congress does nothing about illegal immigration. Moreover, it is equally clear that illegal immigration does stress this country’s social system, mainly healthcare and education.
In my mind, the takeaway here is that the taxpayer is subsidizing cheap labor for businesses. Would you agree?

Being that you frequently rail about corporate welfare, I would think you would come out against illegal immigration. Why do you want your tax dollars going to subsidize business labor costs?

Note that I have not even touched on the human factor on how some of these businesses exploit illegal immigrants.

So Dan, where do you stand on this axis of illegal immigration?

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Dan, So when did you start

Dan,

So when did you start supporting corporate welfare and unfair treatment of people?

Many of these immigrant workers come to the U.S. to seek employment, but since they are here illegally many of them work for substandard wages and in unsafe conditions. They are unlikely complain about unfair treatment for fear of deportation. Moreover, any social services, such as health and education, they use comes directly from the taxpayer’s pocket.

Essentially, the taxpayer is subsidization a low cost workforce for their employer.

Dan, if you support undocumented workers, you support corporate welfare and unfair treatment of people.

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Sorry Ron, I'm no longer

Sorry Ron, I'm no longer sympathetic to all the smoke and mirrors. All budget proposals I've seen thus far only scratch the surface on the rate of increase in spending, not addressing the true problem, which is spending itself.

There are only three things that matter:
1. Total expenditures including long-term liabilities, such as SS.
2. Total revenue measures as a reasonable percentage of GDP - less than 20%.
3. Revenue - Expenditures = 0 (a.k.a a balanced budget).

See, if you measure revenue as a percentage of GDP, you can play all economic equity games that you want with the tax rate as long as revenue remains fixed as percentage of GDP. You can see it is as easy as 1, 2, 3.

Politics of greed and envy do nothing but complicate the situation.

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Ronald, Where is it written

Ronald,

Where is it written there has to a balanced approach to solve the spending crisis? I’ve been hearing the same message for three decades (Balance cuts with revenue increases), but the budget numbers speak for themself – the national debt keeps growing, there no denying that is there? The Politicians are good at spending the nation into a crisis and then telling the average tax payer to foot the bill – enough I say, enough.

The average tax payer, including myself, did not get the Nation into this mess, and I’m damn well sure I don’t want to pay any more taxes to enable this bad behavior.

My message to Congress is fix it now, and fix it all with spending cuts. There is no good reason in my opinion why Congress needs to spend 25% of our GDP. Moreover, who amongst us can say the Government spends this money wisely in the first place? The Government is ineffective at policing its own budget wastes, so why give them more money? To do so is insanity!

Lastly, the fact that you only point to Republicans as those who sell their sole is ignoring human nature and the current political climate in our Nation or is showing extreme partisanship, which most, if not all, readers are already aware of the correct answer – perhaps a bit of both.

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No Points Awarded for Effort!

Mark,
Yes I’m aware that the republicans submitted a balanced budget amendment. I’m also equally aware that legislation is sometimes submitted knowing is has no chance in hell of getting off the ground to appease constituents. No points for effort will be given here.

I contrast the balanced budget amendment with those Republicans who are crying foul over the force defense department cuts resulting from the failure of the Stupid-committee. While most Americans want a strong military, the U.S. is broke, plain and simple, everything must be cutback.

In closing, the only Republicans that I see being constantly on message about spending are the new Tea Party freshmen. The old guard, like John McCain, is no better than the Democrats when it comes to spending issues.

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Ronald, Ah, but Clem is

Ronald,

Ah, but Clem is correct though. Moreover, not all manufacturing has been offshored. Perhaps it is time to paint with a brush that is not so broad.

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Trade Tariffs are nothing more than another comsumer tax.

Ronald,
Firstly, trade tariffs increase prices on the end sale of a product, so those “federal revenues” come directly out of the consumer’s pocket.

Secondly, trade tariffs are likely to do nothing to stop offshoring. They only result is more expensive goods for the consumer. Take the garment industry for example. I can travel the globe and find major brand names, such as Polo, in just about any large retail store. How is this significant? It means that markets are global. Therefore, if a single country like the U.S. introduces a garment tariff that just becomes the cost of doing business in the U.S, and the tariff cost is passed to the consumer.
The U.S. market is only a small segment of the global market place where Polo garments are sold, so there is no real incentive to move manufacturing onto U.S. soil. As a manufacturer, why would I sacrifice global profits for just one country?

In summary, trade tariffs are not an effective tool in a global market to descent offshoring. It is however nothing more than a tax on the consumer.

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Ronald, Tell me, how would

Ronald,

Tell me, how would you prevent a corporation for offshoring?

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Ronald, The Genie is out of

Ronald,
The Genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back in. This is a global economy – like it or not. That includes competition for labor. But that is getting off topic. Nine percent unemployment (let’s even say 20% under employment) is 91% employment (or 80% full employment). Let’s look on the bright side.

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I damn sick and tired of footing the bill - How about you?

Larry,

That pretty much sums it up. To that I would add the Republicans are pretty much the same albeit perhaps at a bit slower rate in spending increases. I’m damn sick and tired of footing the bill for Washington’s carless spending. How about you?

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Greed has many faces

As I read this opinion post, I realize that greed takes many forms.

Not a question asking whether the Government already takes enough money from its citizens.

Not a question asking whether the Government wisely spends current tax revenues.

Not a mention about members of Congress making millions of dollars from insider trading.

You make general statements about the rich for which you fail to define what constitutes rich, and you fail to delineate those who made their money through hard, honest work as compared to someone who made their riches by cheating others. There is a broad spectrum of different circumstances that you lump into one class – the rich.

All these are classic symptoms of someone who, driven by greed, is reacting emotionally because you don’t have what someone else has.

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Who in their right mind would

Who in their right mind would want to be a landlord if you have to go to court to serve an eviction notice, or it is so difficult to get restitution for unpaid rent or damages? In my opinion, this is just another example of Government run amuck.

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Correction:

I did look at the link you provided; I’ll stick by my original comment – not likely to be “must see” on my itinerary.

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I did look at the link you

I did look at the link you provided; I’ll stick by my original comment – not likely to me “must see” on my itinerary.

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Really, with all the tourist

Really, with all the tourist destinations in Maine, why would any out of state tourist make it a point to visit a river walk in Lewiston? Remember, the Alamo is the primary destination in San Antonio; the river walk is a secondary destination.

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Don't confuse communalism

Don't confuse communalism with communism. The former is voluntary typically with people of like mind; they are free to enter or leave the commune. The later is a form of government. Your examples are of communes, not of communism. There is a big difference.

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Just give the readers one

Just give the readers one instance where Communism worked, just one!

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“Republicans will rethink

“Republicans will rethink their strategy of doing all they can to destroy President Barack Obama”

Don’t you think that he is doing a good enough job destroying himself. What do Greece, Italy, and the President’s policies have in common? They’ll addicted to spending.

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Ronald, This is probably one

Ronald,

This is probably one of the few times I agree with you. Moreover, this is all done without giving each kid electronic devices to aid learning. Given, we are different culturally; however, I don’t buy into the apocalyptic view some individuals paint if we don’t increase education budgets. How can countries like China, India, and Thailand provide quality education for much less - the type of education that matters when you enter the job market?

Mark

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Every time I read you

Every time I read you messages, I get the distinct impression that you think you are right and anyone who does not agree with you are wrong or giving our misleading information. In my opinion, you would be better off enumerating why Hope’s salary numbers are not correct rather than just saying they are not; it is too easy just to say “you’re wrong” instead of showing readers where the error in logic occurs.

Not everyone will view the data the same as you and that cannot be expected. Every one of us thinks differently, and we’ll focus on parts of the data that are important to our way of thinking. There is nothing wrong with that and there is nothing that can be done about it.
Proponents of this budget are forcing people to vote NO out of spite. The issue is no longer about the budget details, but rather about the disrespect for the election process.

In closing, you will never force every to see the numbers as you do, and the more times this budget is trust upon the voters, more people will vote NO out of spite because proponents will not respect previous election results; that does not sit well with the voters. Moreover, this behavior is seeding discontent that will carry over into future budget votes. Proponents will have no one to blame but themselves for failing to respect other points of view as expressed at the ballot box.

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Respect the outcome!

Tammy,

Firstly, Hope presented a point of view that contains supporting information that I can at least attempt to independently confirm. However, you imply that these numbers may have incorrect, but you fail to enumerate and present anything comparatively. As a reader, I can only assume that your rebuttal is from a position of emotion rather than based on quantifiable information.

Secondly, the community voted NO twice on the budget. At what point is RSU 16 going piss off the community if they keep pushing this issue? When is RSU 16 going to accept NO as the answer? No matter your point of view on this subject, if NO is the communities’ vote, respect it.

Imagine if the outcome of the vote was different and the budget was to pass. All those in the community who voted NO would have to respect the outcome – and they would. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, why can’t you and RSU 16 respect the outcome? Isn’t that fair in a democracy?

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No, No, No, on question 1!

No, No, No, on question 1! There is no loss of voting rights. Everyone eligible to vote, can vote.

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It is not hard to find

It is not hard to find statistics to support my assertion. Take for example the following employment statistics - http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf , unemployment rate among college educated is about 4.3%, where as it is nearly 3x that of non-college educated.

College educated people are less likely to be obese - http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=125800

While racism exists in America, it is less of an impediment to success than some people would like to admit.

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Ronald, Okay, you have

Ronald,
Okay, you have provided a cause and list of effects, but now let’s explore if your effects are truly the result of your promoted cause.

Let me assert that education plays a bigger role in those disparities that you mention.
F
or example:
Education influences income, which influences home-ownership, financial security, career advancement, and stop ownership.

Education influences dietary and health habits, which influences infant mortality and life expectancy.

Income provides choices, which is influenced by education.

In my assertion, education is the root to all the disparities that you have enumerated. Would you agree that education plays a major role as I have outlined above?

Now for the sake of narrowing down our discussion, I propose that we discuss how your promoted cause affects education in contemporary society. I can think of one argument, but I want to hear your reasoning.

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Thank you for the

Thank you for the clarification; I did correctly interpret your implied meaning.

My challenge to you then would be to explain how you link slavery with individuals in contemporary society making bad [economic] choices.

This is of course when you are ready to discuss it.

Mark

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Then I apologize. Perhaps you

Then I apologize. Perhaps you can clarify how you shifted gears to racial inequalities in that post.

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You have to pretty much let

You have to pretty much let what Dan says roll off; it is his way of stoking the fire.

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Dan, Perhaps you did not have

Dan,
Perhaps you did not have time to read all posts comprising this message thread. The basic theme was people who make bad choices (aka poor judgment) come from all racial groups. That is, we are all humans and a segment of the human population make bad choices, such as those Ronald refers to – smokes, drinks, and poor dietary habits. Implying that past racial inequalities is the cause, as Ronald did, is disingenuous when there is a plurality of reasons. It would have been more appropriate for Ronald to assert race is one factor and then follow-up with reasoning to support his premise. We can then debate his supporting arguments.

As for you, I’m not sure how you extrapolated that we don’t talk about color on this forum from “I’m pretty sure bad judgment is color blind.” I can only speculate.

Furthermore, you contribute absolutely nothing to the race discussion since you are so quick to pull the “bigot” trigger. You would be far more effective at removing the “camouflaging” if you engaged in dialog to remove it. That is how we can impact the present. Until then, you’ll continue to be affectionately known as the man who cries bigot for everyone who reads this blog.

Sincerely,
Mark Gravel

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Ronald, Not sure how you make

Ronald,
Not sure how you make the connection, but I’m pretty sure bad judgment is color blind.

Now that you shifted the topic, it is easy to look back in history and point out injustices. There is absolutely nothing we can do to change the past, and it is illogical to think you can. We can only control our future.

Given that 9 out of 10 times race surfaces in these discussions, it references past behaviors. Perhaps that is a statement unto itself of the progress we have made over the past 150 years.

Mark

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Exactly, so you’ll stop

Exactly, so you’ll stop claiming what you espouse as facts until you have evidence. Agreed?

Moreover, your premise is based on assuming that people will not change their behavior to comply with the law. Let’s wait and see what happens.

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Just show me one person that

Just show me one person that was discriminated or disenfranchised by the 2 day registration law.

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First, there are no facts,

First, there are no facts, just our opinion that there are facts. There is nothing to corroboration what you claim.

Second, there is nothing in my statement that is straight from the radical right. I take full credit for my sarcasm.

Here is the analysis.
1. Many people claim the law is a ploy by Republicans to disenfranchise Democrats from voting.
2. I claim people who cannot be organized enough to complete voter registration before the deadline are dysfunctional.

Now the sarcasm:
Draw a conclusion for to disjoint statements – just like you do.

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Ronald, You certainly paint a

Ronald,
You certainly paint a colorful picture of the poor in this post. Perhaps those individuals that conform to the picture you have painted fit this profile because they suffer from bad judgment rather than a side effect of being poor itself.

I would even take this a bit further and say their economic standing in our society could be the result of an accumulation of past choices.

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Let’s say for instance we

Let’s say for instance we accept all of Robert’s claims, presented without supporting evidence, on face value, as well as, claims from all other similar posts on the same topic.

Given all the assertions in like comments, I cannot help but conclude there is a larger group of individuals that are so dysfunctional they cannot manage to complete voter registration 2 days prior to the election.

Moreover, this is an attempt to disenfranchise Democrats since they are more likely to be those individuals who use voting day registration.

I cannot help but to surmise that there are lots of Democrats who are dysfunctional.

Has anyone else on-line come to the same conclusion?

Let me quote Mr. Rhoades: “Get over it!”

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Dear Pete: Well said and best

Dear Pete:

Well said and best wishes. Stay happy, stay healthy.

Cheers,
Mark Gravel

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Correction

I personally will not go that far.

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Ronald, I personally will not

Ronald,

I personally will not go far.

First generation is hungry to succeed since they have fresh memories of where they came from and what they came from. They will push their kids to succeed as well. Probably not so much from 3rd and 4th generation though once they’re inculcated with the entitlement mentality.

Taking the path of least resistance seems to be part of the human condition,and our society seems to enable that behavior at the moment; everything is a right or an entitlement.

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Ronald, You are correct, and

Ronald,

You are correct, and what is the alternative for these children if they don’t get the education?

Perhaps they can work in one of those foreign factories for $5.00 a day.

The alternative is stark, that what drives the fierce competition.

Mark

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You should really rethink your position.

Claire,
Okay, let’s slow down a minute. Using China, India, and South Korea as positive examples in the same discussion you complain about income disparity is really a weak position. These three counties have far greater income disparity amongst the population than we do in the U.S.. Just stop and think why corporations are rushing to setup factories in these countries? What is the human rights history of these countries?

I have travel to all three of these countries. Moreover, my wife is from South East Asian, and I have travel to her home country many times. Parents in these countries go thought extraordinary sacrifices to educate their children, and I can tell you the Government has nothing to do with it. These people see first-hand what real poverty looks like, and that is what drives them to make the sacrifices they do and work for as little wages as they do for foreign corporations. Have you ever thought why Asian’s outperform all other student classes in this country? Moreover, look at the unemployment rate among Asians in the labor statistics I posted; it is comparatively lower than other classes.

In closing, I have to laugh when we us terms like “Food Insecure” in this country to frame poverty. American’s are generally naïve when it comes to understanding how most of the peoples of the world live.

You should really rethink your position.

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For all of you, who want to

For all of you, who want to tear down our corporate system, be careful for what you wish. While there is no guarantee that wealth trickles down, I can say with 100% certainty, I would not have a job if the corporate structure on top were not making money. None of us have ever been employed by a poor person.

The Globalization Genie is out of the bottle; it is here whether we like it or not, and it has opened up new labor markets to US companies, especially for unskilled or semi-skilled workers. This will not change, if anything, it will get more challenging for us (the US labor force) when labor is allowed to flow freely across borders – perhaps a reason for lax U.S. border enforcement.

It becomes a simple supply and demand issue for labor; more lowed skilled workers leads to downward pressure or wages, or worse if a company moves offshore to find cheap labor. This phenomenon is reflected in data form Bureau of Labor and Statistics [1]. The September unemployment rate for individuals with a 4-year degree is 4.3% as compared to 10.0% for high school graduates.

While I’m not happy with the current state of affairs, we individuals can stay ahead of the game. How? Get educated, even if it means setting up residency in a state that has lower cost public education system. Remember the Nike mantra – Just Do It! Moreover, do not pay for an education in a field that can be easily outsource or in a field, such as liberal studies, that is not very marketable. Pick a field of study that requires human presences in the US.

In closing, I would like to say the “Occupy Wall Street” crowd has misplaced aggression. Capitalism is what it is; remember the tale about the scorpion and the frog [2]. It is the job of the Federal Government to provide an appropriate level of checks and balances, take the Glass-Steagall Act for example. It is those individuals who have failed us. They have become corporate prostitutes and for what in return?

[1] http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
[2] http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html

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Ronald, How should that

Ronald,

How should that question alter our opinions? Policy changes affecting new entrants should not affect present or past service members.

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Dear Mr. Grandmaison: Enough

Dear Mr. Grandmaison:

Enough with the partisan bickering! Given today’s technology, Reapportionment Commissions are no longer necessary.

Computer systems, input with census data and map coordinates, could reapportion districts in short order and without the partisan bickering we are so tired of hearing.

Moreover, all census data and reapportionment outcomes are available for transparent review by the public.

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Let’s all just face the

Let’s all just face the music. This country cannot continue on the current spend rate. Everything must change; everything will change regardless if the country attempts to self-regulate or not.

Military service in this country is voluntary. If people reject changes in the retirement policy, they can go elsewhere. If policy changes, take the 401k retirement fund for example, affect military readiness, then the policy changes will be made to attract more volunteers – a bit of free market forces in public policy.

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This is getting to be like

This is getting to be like child’s play. I would be in support of a national primary day. Someone needs to step in here and be the adult – congress.

Oh, it is a bit ironic that I’m implying congress is the adult who needs to step in assert order to primary elections.

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Ronald, It is all about

Ronald,

It is all about emotion, not facts or logic.

Mark

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Just look on the bright side;

Just look on the bright side; when this country reaches 3rd world status, then manufacturing will come back for the cheap labor – sarcasm intended!

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If you don’t support RSU 16's

If you don’t support RSU 16's budget, then you are against educating kids is a faulty premise.

There is a plurality of reasons why someone may be against the RSU 16 budget without being against kids education.

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Perhaps you can have the

Perhaps you can have the final say next time the board is up for election.

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Clairvoyant?

Dan,

Wow, so you’re clairvoyant and can know everyone’s intent. You should be able to make a lot of money with that talent. Just peak in your wallet to see how that is going!

You don't know what's in peoples hearts; neither do I, so let's not make those claims. Judge the words people say.

Mark

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Dan, Did I miss some of Mr.

Dan,
Did I miss some of Mr. Williams’ dialog? If yes, then what is it? Bring it forth, or perhaps you are looking for something that is not in the text.

Mr. Rhoades is correct. This was just a simple comparison of two extremes - perhaps a bit in bad taste but nothing more.

Regards,

Mark Gravel

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Hank Williams Transcript for the record:

HANK WILLIAMS: Remember the golf game?

STEVE DOOCY: Boehner?

HANK WILLIAMS: That was one of the biggest political mistakes ever.

CO-HOSTS: Why?

HANK WILLIAMS: That turned a lot of people off. You know, watching, you know, it just didn’t go over.

GRETCHEN CARLSON: You mean when John Boehner played golf with President Obama?

HANK WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah! Yeah. And Biden and Kasich, yeah. Uh-huh.

GRETCHEN CARLSON: What did you not like about it? It seems to be a really pivotal moment for you.

HANK WILLIAMS: Come on. Come on. It would be like Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu, OK?

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Mr Rhoades: “Now we are going

Mr Rhoades:

“Now we are going to do the exact opposite: can lots of government employees and cut federal infrastructure spending.”

Three decades of deficit spending and a $14 Trillion debt leaves us with few degrees of freedom. That is, there is little room for “Traditional” methods.

Moreover, those massive projects of the past are still being paid with our yearly interest payments on the national debt.

It is self-evident that spending beyond our means must end at some point, perhaps that day is today.

Mark Gravel

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Dan, I respect your opinion,

Dan,
I respect your opinion, but we need subject them to the same scrutiny you afforded Mr. Webster.

Let’s examine you last message piecewise:

1. “people WILL be disenfranchised, if they're not allowed to register to vote.” While this statement is true grammatically, you are inferring that this statement applies to the new law. People have 365 days, less 2 to register to vote. The law does not prohibit people from registering, so your statement is not valid.

2. “I live in a democracy and believe that EVERYONE is entitled to vote”. Again we come full circle. You cannot provide any facts that the new law inhibits one’s right to vote. You said that yourself: “It is not possible to prove something that hasn't happen[e]d yet.”

Your feelings on this topic are self-evident, but let’s keep a level head when making such claims about our freedoms. I would be the first to sand shoulder to shoulder with you if what you claim is true, but it is not true, so I’ll continue to shine the light on such claims of false disenfranchisement.

Remember the fable about the boy who cried wolf for people could simply ignore a circumstance of true disenfranchisement if you cry it falsely to often.

Good day to you too Sir.
Mark

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My point exactly; therefore,

My point exactly; therefore, you cannot claim people will be disenfranchised if it has not happened yet. To do so is just mere speculation.

Therefore, you should refrain from asserting people will be disenfranchised.

It is more appropriate for you to assert the “I believe” people will be disenfranchised, but then again this is merely your opinion not predicated on any facts.

Mark

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Your claim is not transitive.

Your claim is not transitive. It is not a valid premise to assume these individuals will not conform to the new law. You are falsely claiming that people will not change their behavior to comply with the new law. That argument does not stand.

That said, I guarantee an unspecified number of people will forget to register and claim disenfranchisement to push the issue for at least the first year.

I still stand by my comment that it is up to the opponents to prove disenfranchisement.

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Go find your proof.

Dan,

Put Mr. Webster’s shoe on your foot. It is now time to prove your assertions of disenfranchisement. Go find it!

Mark Gravel

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Perhaps Patricia has some

Perhaps Patricia has some valid points here.

How will having up to two days make it harder to vote? How is this disenfranchising voter?

If you cannot manage your time sufficiently enough to registers in time for the election, perhaps … well… I’ll reserve my comment for it is not pleasant.

Opponents of the 2 day period write with implication that everyone has to register to vote year after year. Once you register, it stands until you change residence.

I would assert that if one cannot function coherently enough to register 2 days prior to an election, I have little confidence they can function coherently enough to get to the polls on time anywhy.
Voting it a write with well-known responsibilities – in this case, get registered.

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Ron, I think you purposefully

Ron,

I think you purposefully supplanted a key adjective in your quote; that is 47 percent of Americans pay negligible (~2.7%) federal income taxes.

You, like Fox News, accentuate certain facts while downplaying others to make your point; however, your point here is to express your dislike for FoxNews.

Regards,
Mark Gravel

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John, You have many good

John,

You have many good points.

I’ve seen this going on in technical and engineering fields for over a decade. On the one hand, companies are downsizing and layoff talented people. While on the other hand, these same companies lobby congress to expand the H1-B visa program. Their argument is that there are not enough qualified individual in the field. The only conclusion that I can ascertain is that these corporations want to put downward pressure on wages.

Regards,
Mark Gravel

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Mere Speculation

Your assertion is based on mere speculation that SC employees will not be treated fairly. Boeing should be allowed to open their production line and address facts about unfair treatment rather than speculation.

Would you support Policing based on speculation of committing a crime? I think not. So why would you oppose job creation on speculation of unfair treatment?

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That is Crazy

Robert’s general premise – continuation of giving billions of dollars in foreign aid while the country is effectively broke – is, in fact, spot on.

All foreign aid should be eliminated in any budget year in which there is a budget deficit. In 2011, Government spending will reach almost 40% of GDP with tax revenue being only about 27% of GDP according to the 2011 Index of Economic Freedom written by The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal.

That is crazy.

Sincerely,
Mark Gravel

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Tammy, You may be basing your

Tammy,
You may be basing your argument on a set of false assumptions, like losing state funding for example.
Perhaps Charter Schools can do a better job for the same or lower cost using State funding. There are a number of success stories across the US.

Under the current system, the need for more funding year over year will not abate. At some point we have to examine alternatives even though it is easier or possibly more comfortable for us to keep squeezing a bit more from the taxpayers. This is crystal clear to many of us.
Let’s draw an analogy to evolution. Those organisms that fail to adapt to a changing environment may not survive. The corollary being that those organisms that adapt more readily to a changing environment are more likely to survive.

Globalization has changed and will continue to change our environment. The middle class will increasingly have to compete for jobs on a global scale. The law of supply and demand will dictate a downward pressure on wages and a corresponding decrease in available tax revenues. This is our changing environment and we must adapt or perish metaphorically speaking.

Regards,
Mark

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Kris, Let’s explore your

Kris,
Let’s explore your assertion (government spending creates growth) in more detail. If this is truly a viable solution, then we can extrapolate that the government can increase spending to full employment. Correct?
It is ostensible that the Government cannot spend enough to achieve full employment. Where does the money come from? It either comes from the private sector or off the printing press. In either case, the government is simply moving money and therefore cannot grow the economic pie.

Moreover, Keynesian economics assumes that the government is working from a balanced budget – tax to keep inflation in check during upward swings in the business cycle, re-inject money into the economy during downward swings – analogous to a mechanical dampener.

That said, our Government increases spending in economic down cycles and accelerates spending in economic up cycles. Thus we have structural deficits and an ever increasing debt. Spending alone does not create growth. If it did, we could simply print money and grow the economy without bounds. Like a mechanical dampener, when energy is removed from the system (increased spending) it must be replenished (with surpluses) in order to reuse that energy.

That is where the US departs form Keynesian economics. Moreover, that is why Governments, such as Ireland, have no choice but austerity measures – it has failed to allow economic surpluses and spend all economic elasticity on both sides to the business cycle. America too, if not already, will eventually have one choice only – austerity.

Regards,
Mark

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Perhaps that your kids will

Perhaps that your kids will grow up just find and move away since there are better job opportunities elsewhere. I did in 1982, and it was the best decision I’ve ever made.

Economically, we are squeezed form all sides – raising food and energy prices, raising tax rates, and stagnant wages. While your assertion that the new budget will cost only a few more dollars to taxpayers, you are neglecting the fact that taxpayers are tired of this incrementalim that has been occurring for decades. At some point taxpayers need to make a stand and say enough; that time is now.

Think outside the box and seek to educate our children with fewer dollars. Ask yourself how developing counties can educate kids using far fewer dollars.
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Time to think outside the box

Perhaps that your kids will grow up just find and move away since there are better job opportunities elsewhere. I did in 1982, and it was the best decision I’ve ever made.

Economically, we are squeezed form all sides – raising food and energy prices, raising tax rates, and stagnant wages. While your assertion that the new budget will cost only a few more dollars to taxpayers, you are neglecting the fact that taxpayers are tired of this incrementalim that has been occurring for decades. At some point taxpayers need to make a stand and say enough; that time is now.

Think outside the box and seek to educate our children with fewer dollars. Ask yourself how developing counties can educate kids using far fewer dollars.

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Ron, Sometimes the truth is

Ron,

Sometimes the truth is simple.
Mark

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Lil, That is certainly a one

Lil,

That is certainly a one dimensional response. Perhaps we should step back and view this vertically instead of horizontally along party lines. Clearly the taxpayers lost. A more fundamental question would be to ask whether Government should be spending taxpayer’s money in that manner. For me, answer is a resounding NO.

Mark

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Let’s not be like a sheet of paper

You are missing a key adjective: ..obey “lawful” orders.

The General has an obligation to disobey what he considers an unlawful order. Perhaps there should be a trial to see if congress’s request was unlawful? Let’s turn on the lights. Let’s search for the truth. Let’s not be like a sheet of paper – politically one dimensional.

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Mike, There is a reason why

Mike,
There is a reason why it is called “blind faith”. I’ll say no more.
Mark

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Let’s seek out the forest through the trees.

Dan,
We mainly comment on current events. I was not posting when Halliburton was current news. If I were, I would not have defended Halliburton. Let’s keep our discussions on current events instead of extrapolating to past history.

So ask yourself, what would you do if your employer asked you to do something unethical? You too have the choice to do it or resign; moreover, you have a duty to society to shed light on this unethical behavior, especially if the agency you work for suppose represent the public. Unethical behavior must always be challenged. On that note, General Shelton made the correct choice – he is a true patriot for his actions. He did, in fact, serve the public with dignity.

So tell me, what would you do?

In closing, let me leave you with this though. Given that Government is comprised of humans, and as such, subject to all human vices, are fallible. Blind faith in any political party, which is comprised of humans, is not rational.

Let’s seek out the forest through the trees.

Regards,
Mark Gravel

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Ron, As long as you look to

Ron,

As long as you look to Washington for the solution, whether your savior are Democrats, Republicans, or , you’ll have no solution for they are the problem.

Regards, Mark Gravel

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Now 7.65% on the first

Now 7.65%
on the first $106,000

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Good observation

Mike,
Good observation, yet another reason to keep money out of Washington and in the tax payer’s pocket.
Regards,
Mark Gravel

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Take the Money out of Washington

Dear Mary,

You identify lots of valid points. In my opinion, our Federal Government has little to no respect for the rank and file tax payer. Our hard labor (tax revenues) are thrown around with impunity. Take for example the recent “Private Public Partnership” with Solyndra in Fremont California - $500 Million of taxpayer’s dollars gone up in smoke.

General William Shelton, head of Air Force Space Command, was pressured to change prepared congressional testimony in to favor a large Democratic donor. This is yet another example of not putting the tax payer’s interest over political favors.

Greed is part of the human condition, and with a large concentration of easy money (taken from the labor of others) in Washington, this behavior is no surprise to me. While we cannot take greed out the being human, we can take the money out of Washington and keep in the taxpayer’s pockets where it truly belongs.

Regards,
Mark Gravel

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Set the Bush/Obama crap aside

Dan,
The concept started under Bush, but loans where approved under Obama. That said, set the Bush/Obama crap aside.

The takeaway here should be that Government (which includes republicans and Democrats) has no business squandering tax payer money. It is the tax payer that got screwed over here.

Regards,
Mark Gravel

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Green Energy Policy

Five hundred million dollars in tax payers money gone up in smoke!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/15/politics/main20106602.shtml

With policy results like these, one and only, one example is necessary.

Regards,

Mark Gravel

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How old are you Dan?

Perhaps a bit more maturity on your part is in order.

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FYI: Oil is not used widely to generate electricity.

Dear Jason:
1. Oil is not used in any significant quantity to generate electrical power. Coal and natural gas are the predominant fossil fuels used to generate electricity. Moreover, “Fracking” has improved natural gas yield and driven down gas prices.

2. China controls 96% of the rare earth elements used to create the powerful magnets used to manufacture wind generators. OPEC is to oil like China is to rare earth elements.

3. For the reason cited in 2 the US is unlikely to be a leader in wind turbine manufacturing. Currently most wind turbine equipment is manufactured in China. Moreover, wind energy is only a supplemental electrical source. There still needs to be enough spot energy production to satisfy peak power demands when the wind does not blow or blows lightly.
In closing, having to support parallel infrastructures for both fossil and wind will drive up cost to all consumers. I’m not saying wind does not have any attributes, but it is by far a panacea.

Cheers,
Mark Gravel

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Have a good evening

Dear Al:
I apologize for wasting your time.

I was hoping to engage in a bit more thoughtful discussion about policy rather than the same old, same old - Democrats good, republicans bad or Republicans good, democrats bad.

Have a good evening.

Cheers,
Mark Gravel

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Dear Al: You may have

Dear Al:
You may have confused my comments with others commenting on the same thread.

I have made no assertion whatsoever about economic plans from the GOP. You, however, did make the assertion that Obama has bold ideas for job creation. To quote you: “His [President Obama’s] initiatives are bold and his ideas have job creating initiatives.”

That said, if you are willing to have a dialog on specifics rather than generalities, I’m game. All that I asked you to do is to pick one and only one of Obama’s initiatives, so we (the blog) can discuss the details and merits of the President’s proposal with LASER focus.

Regards,
Mark Gravel

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The economy always "hums" in a bubble - until it bursts.

The dot-com bubble started in 1995 and ran to its climax on March 10, 2000. These are not obscure facts, they should be common knowledge. Bill Clinton was the 42nd President, and his administration ran from 1993 to 2001, also common knowledge. Bill Clinton’s economy was the fortunate benefactor of the dot-com bubble.

What should we take away from these facts? One should not assume Bill Clinton’s policies created a robust economy. In fact, Clinton benefited for an upswing in the natural business cycle, which we historically refer to as the dot-com bubble. Moreover, I personally fault Bill Clinton for not attempting to cool the dot-com bubble which lead to the economic downturn beginning March 10, 2000. Note that the economy always “hums” in a bubble - until it bursts.

In closing, you have a tendency to deflect form the topic at hand and associate one’s opinions to a political party, so let me state squarely and firmly; I do not blindly support either party, and I lay fault on all administrations from Wilson to present for leading us to where we are today - sporting a $14 Trillion dollar (and growing) debt.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson

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I’ll do my best to respond.

Dear Claire,

1. “… same old song again. ….” – I asked what I thought was a simple question – “what can Government do?” – I don’t know where you heard the song and dance, but I leave it at that.

2. “… [G]overnor noticed…” – The Governor’s comments do have merit. I’m hearing the same message across the U.S.. Over the past decade the U.S. education system has put more emphasis on college education and less on teaching the trades (i.e. electrician, plumber, construction, auto mechanic.). In my opinion, this is one example where the education system (i.e. Government) has failed to teach skills the market needs. However, there is always a silver lining. That is, if you have skills in an area that has a shortage of workers, you’re in a good economic position.

3. “How about tweaking existing…” – The Government is simply not responsive enough to changing market needs. Just step back from the problem and ask yourself how we got to this point in the first place – A: Government tweaking everyone toward a college education and neglecting the trade skills. Do we really want to look to the same gang to fix the problem? No, but we do; perhaps that explains why these problems persist.

I’ll close my comments with the following message to those Businesses that claim they cannot find enough skilled works. Given the high unemployment rate and underemployment rate, I find it hard to believe a business cannot find labor with a closely matched skill set that they cannot train into the position. Perhaps businesses should increase compensation to attract people with the needed skills; after all, capitalism is a two-way street – don’t rely on the Government to solve your specific employment needs. Hire an apprentice and train them yourself if the current education system cannot meet your needs (of course I’m assuming the Government can educate the basics – reading, writing, ..,etc so businesses have a foundation to work with).

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -- Thomas Jefferson

Regards,
Mark Gravel

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Tell Me - What can the Government do?

“curb unemployment” – Please tell me how the Government can curb unemployment?

1. Print money to hire more employees.
2. Raise taxes to hire more employees.
3. Tax the Rich to hire more employees.
4. Reduce obstacles for the private sector to hire more employees.

Please tell me, really, what can Government do?

Perhaps people are seeking solution in the wrong places!

Regards,

Mark Gravel

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Perhaps when one is being

Perhaps when one is being raped (i.e. spending the country into a hole), then only appropriate response is NO!

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Dear Al: With all due

Dear Al:

With all due respect, set your love for Obama aside for a moment. Pick one of Obama’s initiatives, and tell me how it will benefit America? Let’s have a cogent discussion about the facts.

Regards,

Mark Gravel

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Dear George and Joan:

“Look at when George W. Bush was president.” I’m no friend of George W., but I’m always a bit surprised at how much power people attribute to a single individual. They conveniently forget that the House of Representatives and Senate also influence policy.

Bill Clinton was the benefactor of the DOT_COM bubble, which significantly increased revenue due to sharp increases in short –term capital gains from excessive trading. Bill Clinton had no influence on the events that increased revenue. In fact, maybe we should chastise him for not realizing that the stock market was in a bubble and taking action.

That said, I will give Clinton credit for not encouraging spending increases that would have consumed the excess revenue. You must also keep in mind that Bill Clinton’s approval rating had dropped prior to his second term, and the GOP use that to keep the Democrats spending in check – (i.e. remember Welfare Reform).

In closing, I’ll leave you with this thought. Washington is like a complex mathematical expression with many independent variables. Attributing all outcomes to one variable (the President) is oversimplifying the issue – we call that partisan politics. In my opinion, the only solution is to shrink the size of Government; thereby, minimizing the impact Government has on our lives – yours and mine.

Regards,

Mark Gravel

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Winning!

Quote from Charlie Sheen –“ Winning” – Yah right!

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What is my trick?

Dear Paul,
I would kindly respond to your comment, but I’m not sure what you’re attempting to say.

Regards,
Hat Trick Gravel

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Forego Responsibility and Forfeit the Right!

Doris,
I fully agree with your thoughts. Voting is a right, but like with all rights, it has responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is registering to participate in a timely manner.

If you forego the responsibility, then you forfeit the right.

Regards,

Mark Gravel

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Penny Wise and Pound Foolish!

So how much carbon monoxide did you release into the atmosphere by traveling from Maine to Washington D.C.? Penny wise pound foolish!

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Just Emotion and no Facts

Dear Michael:

Your letter is full of emotion, but lacks evidence to back your assertions. Moreover, there are two other governmental bodies that are needed transform a Bill into Law that you so conveniently forgot to mention in our letter - the Senate and the President (i.e. Executive Branch). Is it because they are controlled by Democrats?

That said, I have a solution for you. Let’s all contribute to shrinking the size of Government to such a small size that your demeans – the Republicans – have little effect on your life. How does that sound?

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Ronald, I’ll keep it short

Ronald,
I’ll keep it short and simple; I have not agreed to be on the hook for $14 Trillion in debt (BTW- I’ve voted libertarian since the age of 18 mainly as a protest against the two major parties).The debt slope is still positive. If this trend continues, the U.S. currency will be worthless at the extreme or significantly devalued at best. In any case, my modest retirement savings could easily be worthless (or severely diminished). That is how my Government is forcing me into poverty.

You can cry foul of the Republicans all you want; both parties are responsible. For example, Democrats dominated the House of Representatives in the 97th, 98th, 99th, and 100th Congress during Reagan’s administration. The House is responsible for appropriations, so shouldn’t we blame the Democrats too?

Playing the blame game provides no benefit . It may make you feel better to tax the rich or phase out the Bush tax cuts, but I’ll put money down that it will not solve the problem – burdening the Nation with debt.

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Don't Look for hope in those who contribute to the problem.

Gabrielle,

Those who you turn to for hope – Government- contributes to raising prices. As Government prints more dollars to feed its spending habits, the value of the dollar is diminished making imports, such as fuel, more expensive. Moreover, food stuff becomes more affordable outside this country, exports increase, and we pay more due to the increased demand.

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The price of freedom, $14 Trillion and climbing.

Webster’s New World Dictionary defines sarcasm as a taunting, sneering, caustic remark; gibe or jeer, generally ironic says the automaton.

Don’t take William’s comments too seriously for it is sarcasm.

The irony in William’s message - the price of freedom is $14 Trillion and climbing. I’m not sure how free I am when my Government can force me into poverty.

Regards,

Mark

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Voters were clear and decisive!

If it were not for the Tea party, deficit spending would go on largely unchecked. It appears to me that the electorate did think about people who could clean up this mess; they are the Tea Party!

Let’s not kid ourselves, fixing our debt problem is going to hurt; the discussion would be muted if not for the Tea Party. Moreover, the Tea Party is the beginnings of grass roots that will fundamentally challenge the size of Government?

Voters will again be clear and decisive in 2011 - send all incumbents packing.

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Easy to find... needs more effort to understand.

Ronald,

Okay I hear you, but can you address any of my concerns about the report?
It is easy to find this kind of stuff on the internet; it takes a bit more effort to understand them.

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Correction

Replace "figure" for all instances of "table" in text.

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View this Report with Trepidation

Ronald,

In short, I reviewed the data you cited. I lack the time to dissect the report in detail, but here are some red flags that indicate we should treat this data with caution; That is, it warrants further investigation before I buy into the report.

1. Tables 6 and 7 are from an organization called Citizens for Tax Justice, which goal is to lobby for “fair taxes for middle and low-income families.” – I’m not asserting this organization is biased, but this is one red flag to dig deeper.

2. Data used in tables 6 and 7 include state and local taxes, but the report fails to document the methodology used to derive the numbers used in the report. State and local taxes vary widely, so is the data used a simple mathematical average, weighted average, or data from only major metropolitan areas – the method used can skew the results widely.

3. I would expect to see a measureable difference in the state and local tax percentages as incomes traverses the boundary between those at the lowest end, who typically don’t own homes, to income levels where homeownership is more common. Property tax should be significant and measurable addition to one’s tax burden. State and Local tax burden looks relative flat to me.

4. In figure 6, the Federal tax burden does not match that cited in IRS tax data (i.e. The Tax Foundation). Again, if the report cited variables used to derive results, I could objectively criticize them.

In closing, there are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics. My gut feel is that there is some bias inherent in this report based upon my first order reading. I would use these numbers with trepidation until scrutinized further.

That is my $0.02.

Cheers,
Mark

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Provide Digital Content

Instead of limiting access to information as Rob Merrill proposes, why not change in the direction of providing digital access to this content. Allow the public to mine this data from in front of a library or home computer.

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Okay, call it the Tea Party Downgrage - Do you feel better?

If it makes people feel better or find comfort, okay, let’s call it the Tea Party downgrade – do you feel better?

No matter who you blame, the downgrade was a necessary event to bring deficit spending to the forefront.

The only solution is to cut spending, either by choice, or by necessity. Year over year government expenditures are becoming a larger part of GDP, the tax base is shrinking – bottom 50% pay virtually no taxes, a growing resentment with those who pay the taxes, and diminishing ability to borrow money will force reductions in spending at some point. In my opinion within the next decade as the debt nears 150% of GDP.

So ask yourself – do you want a controlled landing (reduce spending now) or a crash landing (well, just look to Greece and wait)?

In closing, I what to spend a few minutes responding to those how will say we need a combination of spending cuts and revenues. I first heard about the “balanced approach” during the Ragan administration, and I bought into then. Thirty years later I’m still waiting for the balanced approach to produce results. The balanced approach is not working; it is simply a means to kick the can down the road.

Cheers,
Mark

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Well - maybe not so wise!

Ronald,

Have you ever stopped to think about what exchange rate these merchants charged you? My guess it was much worse than you could have done if you exchanged currency ahead of time. Why do you think they were so eager to accept your money? You may have not noticed or did not care, but you got ripped off.

Moreover, using a credit card in a foreign country may also be expensive – you better know what your bank charges to covert currency. Also never exchange currency at the Airport; it is expensive.

Cheers,

Mark

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Let Businesses Decide (Correction)

Mark and Ronald, you both make faulty assumptions that a business would lose profits if they DON’T accept foreign (Canadian in this case) currency – don’t confuse profits with revenue.....

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Let Businesses Decide

Mark and Ronald, you both make faulty assumptions that a business would lose profits if they accept foreign (Canadian in this case) currency – don’t confuse profits with revenue. It simply may not be cost effective for a business to deal with the overhead of managing currency exchange. Time is money when you’re running a business and your profit margin may not support the extra effort it takes to deal with the few customers that what to pay in Canadian currency.

The takeaway is let businesses run their business as they see fit.

By the way Ronald, you’re not a wise consumer if you use greenbacks on the street when traveling in a foreign country.

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Go Earn It!

The State of Maine Revenue Service already has to power to collect these taxes. They just need to find out who doesn’t claim on-line purchases on their tax return – go earn it. The same goes for goods purchased in New Hampshire.

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Thank you Tea Party

Neither party has a monopoly when it comes to deficit spending [1]. Think about it, if it was not for the Tea Party, it would be business as usual – more deficit spending. The Tea Party, which is comprised of people spanning party lines who realize current spending levels cannot continue, should be congratulated for elevating this issue to national discussion. The problem is too large to ignore.

Thank you Tea Party!

[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

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There is a Silver Lining in this Mess

I actually view the U.S. credit rating downgrade as good for the Country. Although the downgrade will produce short-term negative effects in the stock market, this wakeup call will hopefully pressure our elected officials (both Democrats and Republicans) to address decades of structural deficit spending.

While Claire asserts this is not a good time to cut back on spending, she may not have contemplated the current economic contraction may be due in part to decades of deficit spending. The same Keynesian theory of increased public sending during recessions to offset reductions in private spending can also overstimulate an economy when applied to periods of economic growth.

Decades of deficit spending has, in my opinion, created an artificially inflated economy. This problem is not unique to the U.S., but can be seen across the globe in many western economies. Therefore, I’m not surprised in the least to see a lack of recovery in employment. Prerecession employment levels were propped up in a faux economy simulated with deficit spending for which we‘ll all agree is not infinitely sustainable.

So where is the silver lining? The silver lining is that the U.S. is now forced to deal with deficit spending while the debt is $14 Trillion rather than when the debt is $26 Trillion a decade from now – I hope.

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Here is your chance - what will you do!

Mr. David,
Clearly you have a lot of passion on this topic. That being said, you still fail to provide specifics in your responses. What about the 2nd Amendment would you change?

What weapons do you what to see regulated, restricted, or outlawed?

Handguns – Do you want all handguns to be outlawed? Regulated? how?

Shotguns – same question.

Long rifles – same question.

Other ?

You have written a great deal on this blog, but I’m still not clear where you stand. Please answer the questions above, so I can better understand your point of view. You have a quill and the constitution before you, what will you do?

Just remember people will find a way to get what they want. Passing laws to restrict access to firearms will not prevent people from obtaining them. Just look to the war on drugs to see how that is going. Moreover, if just passing a law compelled good behavior, we would have empty prisons. While that type of thinking is naive, so is thinking regulating firearms will alter the concerns you have.
Regards

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Misleading Information

“However an automatic weapon, a bazooka or grenade launcher….” All of the weapons here are already regulated (i.e. illegal to own by the general population). Mr. David is proposing applying additional regulation to what is considered legal today – handguns, shotguns, and long rifles – signal shot, revolver and semi-automatic. Please note there is a difference between automatic (illegal without special licenses) and semi-automatic (legal).

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The rank and file that own

The rank and file that own guns, do[n't] possess these [types of weapons.]

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How more can you regulate weapons that are already illegal?

Fact: Automatic weapons are illegal own without a Federal Firearms license.
Fact: Grenade launchers are illegal to own.
Fact: Ammunition clips that hold large number of rounds are illegal in most states.
Fact: Some individuals have them anyway.
Conclusion: Just because a weapon is illegal, doesn’t mean someone will not risk the consequences to have one. The rank and file that own guns, do possess these. Why do you want to restrict liberty based on the actions of a few individuals? How more can you regulate weapons that are already illegal?

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What is your Motive?

Mr. David,
What is your motive here? Is it to save lives, or are you using this tragedy as a means to push ideology?

Homicide by gunshot is statically low compared to other death statistics. Moreover, those states and districts with the most stringent gun regulation have more gun related violence than some states with the most relaxed regulations, take Washington DC for example.

Many states already restrict firearm access to high risk individuals. You keep asserting that we should tweak the 2nd amendment but provide little in terms of proposal. Unless you completely outlaw firearms to the general public, the criminal element and the mentally unstable will find access. Loughner may have done far more damage if he drove a vehicle into the crowd – what do you do then?

Moreover, the founding fathers were far more caviler with firearms than we are in the 21st century. Please name one 21st politician that would duel over a disagreement? Now ask the same question of a 18th century politician - http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/duel-participants.html.

These events, albeit tragic and unacceptable, are anomalies and statically insignificant in relation to cause of death.

With all due respect, I believe that most of your argument is based on ideology rather than reason and altruism of life. You could save far more lives by championing good dietary practices since heart attacks kill far more Americans than homicide by gun.
Cheers

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Insanity!

2002-2009 (Bush) – about $4.2T added to the national debt.
2009-Present (Obama) – about $3.9T added to the national debt.
Doing the same thing and expecting different results – insanity (Albert Einstein)

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Define Rich!

Tax data published by the Tax Foundation clearly shows the higher income earners pay a larger percentage of overall tax revenue. The data are based on Adjusted Gross Income, so that means the rich pay those taxes - rich being the top 1-2% of the earners.

I’m curious. Please define “rich”?

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Focus on the True Problem : Spending

Tron,
Please help me understand who the rich are (provide a $ value) and how much is their fair share (%of income). I’m still waiting for your quantitative definition. Mr. Shields in 100% correct in that the only successful method to balance the budget is to significantly reduce spending.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has estimated extending the Bush tax cuts would reduce revenue (notice I didn’t say cost) roughly $3.312 Trillion over ten years. The current yearly budget deficit is about $1.3 Trillion this year or an estimated $13 Trillion over ten years. Clearly, eliminating the Bush tax cuts will not solve the true problem - spending beyond our means. This is the real vortex in your proverbial drain. Focusing on income distribution is like worrying about the number of deck chairs in first class on the Titanic. Just for a minute ponder the pain and suffering of all economic classes when economy snaps under the weight of our debt. The fall will be fast and hard.

A recent 37 year study of 21 countries overwhelming shows the right way balance the budget is to cut spending, not raise taxes:
“The data also clearly indicate that successful attempts to balance budgets rely almost entirely on reduced government expenditures, while unsuccessful ones rely heavily on tax increases. On average, the typical unsuccessful consolidation consisted of 53% tax increases and 47% spending cuts.”
Full Article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020351320457604737029218675...

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Sorry for the cut and paste

Sorry for the cut and paste problem with the last two sentences. I wish the edit button worked.

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Keep the Good, Tweak the Bad, and Measure Results

Alfred,
I’m not going to deny our current system for delivering healthcare is problem free; that said, other industrialized nations have their own set of pros and cons. The British National Healthcare System and Canada’s Universal Healthcare are suffering from rising program costs and increasing wait times.
In February 2010, the Prime Minister of Canada traveled to the U.S. for heart-surgery. Why? Doesn’t the Prime Minister of Canada have faith in Canada’s healthcare system? Again, I’m not denying our system has problems. Canada and Britain are considering instituting free market reforms siting lack of competition risks stifling innovation, producing inefficiencies, and limiting resources.

There must be a reason why people travel outside their socialized system for treatment. I’m not in any hurry to adopt a system, such as that seen in Canada or Britain, when they are moving in the opposite direction and citizens of both countries exit for medical care.

I’ll agree with you that we should look at how other nations provide healthcare, but I’m not willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The best approach in my opinion is to identify the top 5 factors that drive healthcare costs in this country, effect changes, and measure results.

Let’s keep the good, tweak the bad, and measure results.

The Obama HC legislation is so complex it will take decades and billions of dollars before we can separate the good parts from the bad parts.
Yep, and that is what partisan politics is all about. Moreover, what’s the difference between the Republicans and Democrats in regards to your comments? I’ll answer that for you – your political affiliation – nothing else.

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Hmm.

Yep, and that is what partisan politics is all about. Moreover, what’s the difference between the Republicans and Democrats in regards to your comments? I’ll answer that for you – your political affiliation – nothing else.

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None of which will reduce Health Care Costs!

There are two sides to any balance sheet. How much will the added benefits cost? Who will be paying for them? How will mandating more benefits reduce overall health care costs?

The entire Obama HC plan has more to do with partisan politics than it does to address the underlying factors that are driving health care costs.
Mandating more benefits and adding more people into the system does nothing to dress the underlying factors that are driving health care costs. From 1964 to 2008, the percentage of government funded health care grew from 20% to 47% [1, pg. 14]. There seems to be little evidence that more government funding of health care will reduce health care costs. The only actions a government can take to reduce health care costs are to restrict access or reduce re-imbursements.

We would be better served if our elected officials understand the underlying factors that drive health care costs and address them directly instead of creating a whole new system with a whole new set of problem.
[1] http://www.chcf.org/~/media/Files/PDF/H/PDF%20HealthCareCosts10.pdf

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(1) Can you truly say Government provides a good return on your dollar? I cannot. In my opinion too much of the money sent to governments (Federal and State) is squandered on special interests. Moreover, protracted Federal budget deficits to the tune of $1trillion a year, I would call thievery. That is not to mention off budget expenditures. What do you say to the corporate special interests that receive tax dollars?
(2) I still don’t have a problem with the Republican’s actions here. Please don’t read this to mean that I support everything the Republicans do.
(3) We agree, but maybe for different reasons, but that is okay. Here are my motives:
a. Flat tax, no deductions – government attempts to modify behavior or plays to special interests with the deductions it chooses. No deductions means the government has less power to manipulate behavior.
b. Everyone pays and any government assistance is taxed as income – While not perfect, the goal would be to provide diminishing returns as deterrence to voting oneself more benefits.
c. Easier for the taxpayer to evaluate true costs for adding a service or benefit of removing a service. For example, adding XYZ service will add 0.5% to your tax bill.
d. Tax payer is required to write quarterly check – far too many people don’t actually know how much they pay in taxes. Maybe people would demand more accountability from government if they can see the true cost in their check book ledger.
(4) Quick Responses.
a. “Can .. fix .. through taxes?” We agree – NO.
b. Globalization is here, and I long since conceded that the standard of living that we become accustomed to will diminish. It has to if we want compete with the global labor force for those jobs. I agree with your comments directed at China. I would also add that we (the collective) contributed to this current state of affairs by creating and selling debt to China. Frugality is a virtue.

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“First off….” If taxes are the cost of living, so are high energy, food, …,etc prices. Collectively, the public recently decided not to pay higher taxes, and we did not have to leave; your false dichotomy (pay or leave) is not valid.

“Second…” How is not redistributing wealth form the top two 2% screwing the 98%? I’m still not following you here. The bottom 98% holds more wealth than the top 2% - about 80%.

“Forth..” – Hey – some common ground. I’ve long supported a flat tax, no deductions. Everyone pays their percentage. No exemptions for the bottom 50%; this may discouraged people from asking for more stuff if they have to pay - everyone has skin in the game. Everyone has to write a quarterly check (no automatic withdraws), so they see firsthand how much tax they are paying.

“Lastly..” Income disparity has and will always exist. For example, take all the wealth in CY2011 and distributed evenly among all working adults. In a very short time, the wealth distribution will be back near CY2010 levels. Some people will take their money and make more money; some people will just buy stuff. There is synergy here. For those who want to buy stuff, there must be someone to provide the stuff. Money will change hands. Buddha Bing, Buddha Boom – you have “wealth disparity” again. Now think what the producers of stuff will do if you keep redistributing their wealth…will they continue to produce?
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Publikwerks

Please don’t assume someone is a coward when they don’t reply immediately. They may have family and work responsibilities that take precedence. Time permitting, I’ll reply to all direct question.
Cheers.

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Answers to your questions.

Sorry for my delayed response.
“That doesn't seem wrong to you?” Generally, No. In my early twenties, I would have said, yes; however, over time I’ve realized that this money would not necessary rest in the hands of the other 99% if not in the hands of the 1%. That is, there is not a finite amount of wealth to be distributed. Wealth can be created. You can always find exceptions, but, in general, this 1% is the majority of wealth creators.
“That doesn't seem at all off? “ – On the surface, one may tend to say yes if they don’t dig deeper into the statistics. Of those in the bottom 50% according to AGI, how many:
A. are young people entering the job market, most of whom will eventually move to the top 50%.
B. are retired have pensions or savings and possibly own their home, but are generally okay financially; however, they only generate an AGI in the lower 50% percentile.
C. are retired and only have SS as income. Of this group, how many failed to save additional money in their working lifetime vs. did not make enough to save.
I would have liked to provide some statistics breaking down the bottom 50%, but I was unable to find any. If anyone can find some, please post.
One more note about C. above. I know way too many people in their late 40’s to early 50’s with absolutely no savings. Some of these people are my coworkers, so their incomes should be on the same order of magnitude as mine. They also have the same or fewer dependents but live paycheck to paycheck. Form the age of 18 yr., I’ve always attempted to save 25% of my net income. I’ve made sacrifices elsewhere to achieve this goal. In this example, my coworkers and I will most likely be in the bottom 50%, but I’ll be far better off. Why should either of us get a handout simply for being in the bottom 50% based on AGI?
I would to post on your other comments about jobs and outsourcing, but I’m out of time - sorry.
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Where does it stop?

When do we stop attacking the so called wealthy? Let’s compare 2008 Tax data for the bottom 50% and top 1% of the income earners.
Bottom 50% earns 12.55 % of the total reported income, but pays an average of 2.70% of their AGI in taxes. Top 1% earns 20.00% of the total reported income, but pays an average of 38.02% of their AGI in taxes. As a percentage of AGI, the more affluent already pay considerably more income taxes as a percentage of income.
As a percentage of income, how much should the top 1% (or 2%) pay? Please give me a quantitative value. I read a number of blogs talking about the wealthy without a clear definition of what constitutes one who is wealthy. Please use terms like top 1%, top 2%, or top 5% of income earns in your posts, so I can understand your reference point. Without a clear definition, it sounds like envy. Take Publikwerks post for example.
Please read the Wall Street Journal report “The Right Way to Balance the Budget” – all nations that choose tax increases to solve structural deficits failed. Simply redistributing wealth from one class to another is like putting a Band-Aid on skin cancer. The tumor (excess spending in this case) has to be removed.
Cheers
National Tax Foundation Data- http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/250.html

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Tron, What is Wealthy?

Tron,

At what income level or asset level (in dollars) do you consider one wealthy?

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Tron, The Wall Street Journal

Tron,
The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) released a study examining debt of 21 countries over 37 years to determine “The Right Way to Balance the Budget”. The overwhelming result was to cut spending. WSJ looked at 21 counties to see what works and what doesn’t. This is not theory; it is empirical data.

I empathize for people on a fixed income; however, if this Nation does not tackle the deficit problem, these poor souls will have less spending power than they do today due to a devalued dollar.

While I believe holding taxes at the same level was the right decision, adding new spending in the same bill is not aiding deficit reduction whatsoever. Both Republicans and Democrats failed to cut spending – they are both culpable. Both parties need to cut spending.

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Sorry to hear that you feel that way.

Let me ask you these questions:
As the verifications process is currently defined, do you think SJ will achieve their objective?
Assume that all current forum members are verified under their true identity, will this change the tone of the forum?

Please share your opinion.

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Armymom, I’ll admit that I

Armymom,
I’ll admit that I don’t know enough about SJ’s customer base or finances to comment in detail. However, at the 10K foot level, it should be never okay to say let’s just try something and if we lose customers, we’ll try something else. Those comments, in my opinion, reveal inexperience.

Pattie did a good job asking customers what they wanted out of the forum and collecting data. Now as a leader, she must choose to act on that data. She could:

(1) Do nothing.
(2) Use the democratic approach and let the majority (57%) rule and alienate the remaining 43%.
(3) Find common ground where both majority and minority may not be 100% happy, but they are not sufficiently disenfranchised to go else. That in my
opinion is just good business.
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Armymon, Thank you for the

Armymon,

Thank you for the information. In my heart I agree that true identity should not be required. That said, my response is a proposed compromise for what that is worth.

I assume the forum represents a small portion of SJ’s revenue; the forum may even cost SJ more than it generates in revenue. Pattie Reaves said “If it doesn't work and everyone leaves, then the experiment didn't work and we'll try something else.” It is far more work to recruit new customers than it is to keep existing customers. I don’t believe SJ’s upper manage would allow these comments to fly if the forum really mattered to their revenue stream.
Just my $0.02.
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Possible Fix....

John,
SJ has good intent – control access and police abuse on this forum; however, their solution alienates a significant number of their patrons – not good for business. The following outlines a registration process that I believe meets both SJ’s objectives and would be acceptable to both factions.

--Keep all information required for the current verification process “private”. SJ verifies true identity as it does today and grants forum access.

--Allow subscribers to enter a “nickname”. The nickname is displayed when posting comments. The nickname is bound to the subscriber’s true name for the life of the account. That is, the subscriber must delete, subscribe, and be verified again to change their nickname. Anyone who wishes to use their true identity simply makes true-name and nickname the same.

--If and when a subscriber is banned from the forum, they cannot simply open a new account. The screening process is no weaker than it currently exists, so SJ meets that objective.

--The nickname is bound to the account and cannot be changed by the subscriber. This provides a consistent identity for the subscriber, but shields their true-name from public view. There are no safeguards in place today to prevent a subscriber from using a false name in the registration process; there is no difference between using a false name at registration or allowing subscribers to use a nickname – the reader is unaware of the commenters true identity. What keeps John Smith from registering as Joe Pedigree? Everyone will get to know Joe Pedigree and like them no more or no less than if John Smith posted the same comments using his true name. Moreover, a subscriber cannot hide behind a changing nickname without submitting to the verification process.

I believe the above process will:
(1) Allow SJ to effectively police the forum.
(2) Allow anonymity to those who desire it.
(3) Allow true identity to those who desire it.
(4) Provide a consistent unchanging identity for those who assert we should use our true names.
(5) Most importantly – SJ can minimize customer dissatisfaction, which is just good business.
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Not worried about comments on this forum...

Joseph,
It is not the personal comments that someone may post on this forum that concern me. What concerns me is someone locating and calling my employer and laying false claims, or for example, opens an account on one of the many social networks and post rancid comments in my name. Once your name and comments are picked up by internet search engines, such as google or bing, that information is going to be available on the internet for a very long time. What becomes of this information, albeit not true, if a current or future employer googles (or bings) your name?
It will be very hard to unwind what has been done in your name.
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Decided to Take my Comments Elsewhere

I agree with Ben Harrison in that having our true identity available opens the door to vindictive personal attacks. While I believe my comments are never personal, topics that we discuss are emotionally charged, and as such, a reader may respond emotionally. I’ve worked long and hard to build my career, and I will not risk losing what I have worked so hard to achieve on the chance of someone smiting my name on the internet for some petty revenge.
Moreover, I agree with commonsense that the best way to handle those who lob personal attacks is just to ignore them.

I would be okay with SJ knowing my true identity if and only if they kept it private. SJ is free to contact me directly via phone or personal email if they feel I’ve posted inappropriate content, but I don’t want the personal information made public.

The decision is not a difficult one for me - I’ll simply take my readership elsewhere. I no longer wish to be verified; I’ve updated my profile to reflect my decision.
Cheers

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Problems are Political, not Technical

Armymom,
All valid points about the current state of affairs at Maine Yankee. That said, all of these problems are self-imposed (i.e. political); there are technical solutions to all of these problems. Europe has used nuclear power safely for many decades, and they manage the issues that Maine Yankee suffers.
I still consider nuclear power the best candidate (one of many) for providing affordable energy from a technology point of view. I can fully understand the continued opposition to this technology given the Government’s inability or unwillingness to solve existing problems.

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NONE

Deimos,
I agree that nuclear energy is the most promising technology for providing cheap energy for the masses, but it is not politically in favor. In my opinion, wind energy is not a viable replace energy source. Moreover, this technology uses rare earth metals in production, so we trade depending on non-friendly nations for oil to depending on China for rare earth metals [1]. I don’t foresee energy independence in wind energy, especially when natural resources used to produce Wind Technology rest with a smaller set of produces than does oil..
[1] - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/business/global/15rare.html

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Yes Veronica, There is no Free Lunch.

Dear Mr. Lewis,
In my opinion, your message lost some punch in the last paragraph when you blame Politicians from a certain political party while looking to another for your salvation. Both Political parties, in part, are responsible for rising energy costs. Increasing global demand of a limit resource will continue to drive up energy costs. In addition to supply and demand pressures on pricing, devaluation of the U.S. dollar requires the consumer to fork over more of their hard-earned money to buy imported energy.
Current and past administrations have contributed and continue to contribute to the declining dollar. The old cliché, “There is no free lunch.”, really does have meaning . Anytime the Government prints more dollars to satisfy the public’s demand for stuff - whatever that stuff is – the dollar is devalued, and you’ll pay more money for imported energy.
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Deny them of the Pleasure.

Gil,
Here is a little friendly advice for you. Ostensibly, Veritas is an antagonist. Whether he is that way in real life or that is just his persona in this venue for his enjoyment, it really does not matter me nor should it matter to you. Just simply ignore him (or anyone else that behaves in that manner). Just remember, the comments go personal to get a reaction – denied them the pleasure.
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Need to Draw the Line: The Time is Now.

Veritas,
I’ve been around long enough to know an unknown percentage of claimants are gaming the system; it seems to be intrinsic in human nature. It is legitimate to ask where the Nation and Taxpayers draw the line as it relates to doling out money - money that the Nation does not have. You can opine “tax the rich”, but that will only go so far. Assume that the rich get taxed more; I’ll put money down that Governments (Federal and State) will still operate with budget deficits. The State of California is a prime example.
In closing, claimants who feel wronged should be dealing with their insurance company and/or the State of New York.
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Not all Casualty and Health Polices have act-of-war Exclusions

Veritas,
Although some, not all, health and casualty polices do have “act-of-war” or “terrorism” exclusion clauses, do you know of those seeking restitution from the taxpayers have been denied claims because the issuing company invoked the “act-of-war” clause? I do recall some post 9/11 news press covering insurance companies (sorry that I don’t recall whom) stating they will not invoke the act-of-war clause.
I’ll have to side with Gil on this topic unless those seeking restitution have clear justification, such as being denied claims on the bases of one of two about exclusion clauses.
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Estate Tax

Ed,
I agree with your response on the Federal Estate Tax. What is seldom mentioned during these discussions is the spending side of the equation. For example, Mr. Tetenman claims that modifying the Estate tax exemption to $3.5 Million and instating an Estate tax rate of 40-45 adds about $150 Billion to the deficit. In reality, it is spending money above and beyond revenues that add to the deficit. The Government continually fails to balance the two (i.e. inflow and outflow). I’ve provided following link to the Tax Foundation where readers can find lots of interesting data on taxes - http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/topic/8.html .