It's interesting to note that spike in gas prices from 1973 to 1974 - this came as a result of the 1973 oil crisis, which resulted from the members of OAPEC enacting an oil embargo in response to "the US decision to re-supply the Israeli military" during the Yom Kippur war. The embargo lasted from October 1973 to March 1974, and resulted in dramatically higher oil and gas prices.
There was another energy crisis in 1979 when the Shah of Iran fled his country, throwing the Iranian oil sector into disarray. Things went from bad to worse after the Iraqi invasion of Iran in 1980, and the price of oil spiked as a result.
Let's look at average unleaded regular prices (in chained 2005 dollars) from 1976 through to 1983 as the United States dealt with yet another oil crisis:
The only really interesting piece of data here is the large drop of the price of gasoline in 1986. This came as a result of reduced demand and overproduction, which resulted in the short-term loss of OPEC unity.
Now let's look at 1993-2000, when the United States was in the midst of an incredible economic boom:
Gas prices remained relatively stable from 1993-1999 before enduring a sizable uptick in 2000 as the phenomenal run in US tech stocks started to come undone.
Now let's look at 2001-2009. This time period featured 9/11, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the rise of the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China) and a near global economic meltdown:
The big story during this period of time was the continued rise of countries such as China and India, which has resulted in an increased demand for oil, gas and other commodities.
No lie Jason, I said: "Super Pacs aren't just a "republican" tactic.....", I did not say anything about the percentage of funds raised. Don't get me wrong, I don't like super pacs because they make my voice smaller and special interest voices much louder. However, Obama and Romney have been "fund raising" since the 2008 elections....they SHOULD have a lot of money! There is no reason for anyone to drop out. We have a process and it is working.....and working well. I think after this election, we're going to see a lot of open caucus states go to closed primaries because of the democrats playing their games.
Geesh, I've been gone so long, I missed being able to congratulate you on your 10 thousandth "disagree" Dan......congratulations! Your 2.6:1 disagree ration is impressive!
Gee, I actually agree with part of this Dan, except where you blame the right. I will add, it isn't those two states that decide, it isn't any one party that decides. It is the media leading people to believe that those two states decide, but that is getting more difficult to sell with each election. The media plays a big role in changing public perception on the candidates it the way they choose. Ignore the media and listen to the candidates so "we the people" can decide on our own.
You're grasping straws now Dan...if that were the case then the poll worker committed multiple cases of fraud. Touching a ballot wouldn't be illegal, the act of voting would be. Did your dad not spank you enough when you were a kid?
Allow me to remind you of what you said in your original post that started this conversation: "Well this voter wants to know how they are going to get this economy going and how they are going to create jobs and what they are going to do for the elderly, veterans, and children and what they are going to do for education of the next generations."
I simply supplied you with the sources of info you requested.......if you don't wish to take a moment to read them, well then I guess you wasted your time asking the question.
It doesn't take hours Tina.......and I am sorry you don't feel the primaries and caucuses are important enough. That's your opinion, just don't complain about the candidate that is chosen since you have decided not to voice your opinion as to which one we should have on the ticket. As I said, ignore the media and simply read their plans. The media is where all the petty bickering is spotlighted. There is only 6 plans to read. If you wait till next week there may be only 4 but don't wait till we have decided for you.
again.....the ballots were handed to them and they gave them back. Putting their hands on them does not constitute receipt. This was to prove they were able to obtain a ballot without an ID and they were successful, just admit it Dan.
There goes Dan shoving words in our mouths! It isn't the parlors, it is the TAX on tanning parlors. That amounts to a tax only on "fair skinned" people.
and don't forget:
Stripping states rights (tenth ammendment)
Forcing Americans to buy a product or service (Obamacare)
constant attempt to violate our second amendment
Jim I hadn't thought of the tanning tax that way...makes sense. I doubt his wife goes to a tanning parlor.
Ron, Ron, Ron, you didn't watch the video very carefully! Watch again and you'll notice not once did any of them vote. They gave the ballot back and said they wanted to go get their ID before they vote......
Perhaps, Tina, you should ignore the childish crap the news channels (FOX especially) are perpetuating, open your mind and THOROUGHLY read Newt Gingrich's 21st Century Contract With America. -> http://www.newt.org/solutions/jobs-economy
He has had this plan since day one, but the media is only concerned with perpetuating any and all negativity that will ALWAYS show up in any election.......weed through the crap and research each candidate's plan on your own.
If Obama were less "anti America", we wouldn't be so hell bent on firing him but since he is destroying everything America stands for, it is ALL of our responsibilities to fire him.
"But this is the first time that I can remember that the biggest issue concerning primary voters was getting the current president out. Not creating job, improving the economy or anything like that. Just getting the current president out."
This is the first time I can remember a president who's primary issue was forcing Americans to become so entitled by destroying jobs and destroying our economy. So yes, the quickest and easiest way to jobs and economic recovery is to remove the cyst that is causing the failures in the first place!
we have a democratic fed that is hell bent on taking control back away from republicans and away from US and you expect their word to be accurate? Come on, I know you're smarter than that Jason.
Wow! Dan has distanced himself from another liberal!? Dan has trouble with questions Ron. He will not answer one that he feels will incriminate him.........he has not mastered the art of the "spin" yet.
I agree Mike, 100%! It all starts at home with us! We are accountable for raising our children in a responsible manner, then our children become accountable for using what we taught them correctly. We can only hope we give them ALL the information and tools they need to live a long and happy life but it is our very own mistakes we made growing up that allow us to learn what our children will need to know as they grow.......
Completely irrelevant to my point Tina. I was merely referencing that "part" of your comment, but you go ahead and believe what you like.....my life is fine without your approval and I sleep well.
Tina, I agree with most of it except "needing to raise money" and the "moron" parts.......If ALL candidates were to stop spending so much it would be great, but they ALL will not, therefore they all WILL have to raise money and spend it just to defend themselves........chicken or the egg?
The problem is you don't understand how those fundraisers work......I have a solution to that. Don't go! If you do wish to support the cause then write the check, sit down, be quiet, and eat your peas!
I was thinking the same thing Bob. Most of the folks complaining probably have 2-3 wireless laptops used around the house as well as 2-3 cordless phones........all it takes to create a panic is a small "seed" and some "water". The "seed" being one complaint and the "water" being the media.....
Not to say we don't need "deadbeat laws" however, some of them can be counterproductive! I know someone, in Maine, that was out of his career due to an accident injury, had to take a lower paying job and paid as much as he possibly could to the state for child support but could not make exactly the full amount. They eventually pulled his license causing him to lose his job. Not long after, put a lien on everything he owned and even possessed some of his property with the intention of auctioning it off. I have to ask myself, if I were in his shoes, would I want to give up after that? Fortunately, after a couple years he got his retroactive disability payments and caught everything up with the state but what a circus that can be......what a way to really tear someone down when they are doing their best.
The sad thing is, if he were still married to the mother, the state would have picked up the difference without any problem.
It isn't the "plate of food" they are buying. It is a donation to a cause just like charities do.......at charity auctions, it isn't unusual for items to sell for much more than they are worth because the buyer knows it is for a good cause. The "plate of food" just gives the donor a little something in return....
It is a "fundraiser" Tina......they ALL do this. Take a look at Baldacci's or Obama's fundraisers! The question is, how many MORE Mainers will be helped if we give him twice as much time to make the changes we need? Maybe you should take a look here --> http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-04-05/tech/30074789_1_sticker-s... $38,500 per plate to eat with our socialist "leader"!
actually Stan, you're confusing LePage with Baldacci. LePage won with 39%, it was Baldacci that won with 38%....you can just change the name in the letter, all else will fit fine.
Speaking of "reading between the lines".......I never said that you "said" it. I said you "thought" it and implying it definitely tells me what you're thinking..........
it's only legal because those we have appointed to represent us have made or allowed it to be legal. Kinda like the insider trading at the federal level. That loophole was intentionally put in the law by those that benefited from it......
Thieves are thieves and they come from all walks. The best part about this story is the number of "thieves" reading it that just might turn a leaf at the threat of public shame. 5 charged but many more reading.......
Funny how DHHS doesn't seem to have trouble finding and charging these thieves now that they've been told to do so.......what were they doing the last few decades? Maybe the threat of budget cuts helped?
It's funny, you and Al think you've read me and understand me but you are both so far off the path. You think I'm rich while Al thinks I am a stay at home welfare case......how do two "intelligent" people come up with something so very different?
Dan, when "wealthy" is officially defined as being someone making $19950.00 or more per year, then we will see eye to eye on the tax issue.........there is hope!
Let me see if I have this right, first you believe you know who my "cronies" are, then you don't know, then you do know........you're losing it Dan.
in reality, I associate more with you and Al than anyone else on here so, welcome to the club buddy! Now that you're a member, maybe I can get one of my friends to give you a retail job for 20k so you can join the ranks of the "wealthy" and take advantage of the "tax bonanza" we just got!
You were comparing what you did 20 years ago for 30k to what LePages daughter does today for 41k......bad comparison Al. With your experience, you should be smarter than that. That same job that paid you 30k 20 years ago probably starts you at about 50k now.
I didn't ask for your resume'....you threw it up and unless you're interviewing me for an opportunity, I won't be giving mine up. If your interested in interviewing me for a job in a retail store, don't bother. I have my career, far above that, and am completely happy where I am.
In all honesty, whether or not Al Pelletier believes me or not doesn't matter one bit. I'll sleep just fine without your approval.
Sales 101, don't give something of value without receiving something of value.....and what you offered me, Al, isn't valuable enough to get me to tip my hand.
If this administration hadn't "taken note" we still wouldn't know about it.........but we do now. This is the kind of stuff the LePage administration is finding. After nearly 4 decades of democrat control, I am sure there is much more to be found.
1st, how long ago Al? If it was your "starting pay" then is it safe for me to say 20 years as that is when you started running those stores? We're in 2012 now Al! 30k is chump change.....
2nd, Nobody takes a job in a retail department store to "make it big". Especially in an off price store. I am sorry you accepted a job then, that paid so little compared to today's market, but I am willing to bet they told you up front how much it paid! If the salary was so crappy, why did you take the job? .......because at the time, it probably wasn't crappy pay!
Me too....I saw the title and thought: "Oh great, what am I in for today?!".......but I was wrong. <--- see I can admit it. I gotta ask, why is it they want to bring an arthritic elephant to cold Maine when most Mainer's know that cold is bad for arthritis?....not to mention separating her from family.
There we go again.....liberal rule #5, throw out an insult then leave. You imply one thing in one post, then try to change your meaning simply by emphasizing a different word in the next. I am not the one without the answers............I am not the one putting others down!
If she did, then you'd complain that the only reason was because her father was Mayor of Waterville........you would find a way to complain...you always do.
Nice spin Al......I am not new to business myself. You failed to realize one MAJOR difference in your analogy, "Maine" is 100% "employee" owned and it's "CEO" owns just as fair share as you and I.......Cuts are cuts, whether you are talking about services or payroll......
Funny, one of you is saying her job is "at the top" and another saying she just an "assistant".....you guys should really talk before posting so you can all be on the same page........
Do you even know what she does for work? I bet she is working harder than you. You know Al, "layoffs" when revenue isn't sufficient is the same as "cuts" when revenue isn't sufficient.......and cuts are indeed being made so why the complaints?
Maybe in your social circles Dan but I know many that were making 41k right out of college on their OWN merits. Do you know what she went to school for? Do you know how many years she went?
no comment about the job itself....just that it is too soon after college to make 41k......I know plenty of people that made that and more right out of college.....
Remember that little lesson I gave you last week about that little "hookey thing" at the end of my sentence? I was merely asking you a question....continually implying that I am "putting words in your mouth" is the lie.
You may not think 41k is "wealthy" but you clearly think it is "huge". So where does "wealthy" start Dan?
He's not eliminating it Al, just scrutinizing it as you suggest. "Drastic times take drastic measures" but democrats are unwilling to take ANY drastic measures at all........you can't have it both ways Al.
"Why should people save all their lives when LePage can take it all away?"......Phyllis, if it were your money all saved up paying your way it wouldn't be cut from the budget.
Cuts must be made. Where do you suggest we make them and are you prepared to justify your suggestions to those affected by them?
No, I've been perfectly willing to discuss this with you but you refuse to throw a number on the table that we can use. You seem to believe you know what "wealthy" is, but where does it START?
In this case though, it is the DHHS budget that is out of whack and he wants to cut 120m from it......they are now trying to determine where........but yes, if they just cut a % across the board and let all DHHS departments work within that, it might be less stressful.
I agree Mark, but I was trying to get our liberal friends here to come up with something.......epic fail on my part even believing there might be a reasonable answer in their heads.
He wants to tax the rich more than the current 7.95% but in the past he has said the rich do not pay their fair share........actually, they pay more. He wants to rescind the tax cut ONLY on the wealthy to fund the 120m shortfall but will NOT specify what is "wealthy". Apparently he believes everybody between $19950.00 per year and "wealthy" (whatever that number is, he won't say) only account for the $30m difference between the 120m shortfall and the 150m tax cut..........doubt it, but they are HIS dreams.
Dan you obviously don't understand the process of writing and passing bills to bring those jobs in.........it's a process that takes a bit of time whether you are a republican or democrat. As far as the "safety net" is concerned, it is so far only a proposal. Nothing has been passed, but even that will take a bit of time so the "havoc to the safety net" as you put it, doesn't exist.
Ps: Yes, I am proud of him! For having the strength to do what is right for our state without fear of what it might do to his reputation with Dan Breton.
"When the government gets involved it only messes it up."......thank you! Why would the private sector do anything when our government is already ripping money from our pockets to do it for us?...and paying for the bureaucratic process in between "us" and the "needy". Get them out of the picture and more $$ can go directly to the needy and much more efficiently as well.
You missed my point completely, please review my last paragraph. My point was, Hope Haven didn't really pour on the effort to let the public know about the toy collection. Once word got out (yes, thank you SJ) then all hell broke loose with donations from individuals AND businesses. I am sorry you are not exposed to the dealings of local business and their charity efforts, but I am through my work as and area representative for United Bikers of Maine. We have NO problem receiving donations from businesses in Androscoggin County (and other counties) but we beat the pavement to do it......
Admit it Jason, you didn't bring a toy until the SJ ran their story either.......
Why give him a job and have to pay him when he has no problem publishing his fantasy here for free?? Dan, you should contact the writers guild for help. Maybe you can demand some pay for your work.......who knows, maybe you'll get a sit com contract out of it......or better yet, a soap opera.
"When was the last time some politician suggested that from now on everybody should build their own roads or that we should take care of plowing and tarring with volunteerism."...when they don't have the funds, they simply don't plow or repair and we have to drive in snow and potholes.......but you'll be complaining about having to do that next.
Carl, Bob is justifying LePage's actions....that's the solution. Dan is attacking said solution without any suggestions of his own. Something he does EVERY day.
You amaze me sometimes Dan, first you think I'm rich, now you think I am the governor. What next?
This is the first time you've mentioned the "democratic plan" so I am calling you on it. Show me the "democratic plan".....if it's anything like what we've had the last 4 decades then I'm glad we destroyed it.
Wow Jason, do you have Dan writing your responses for you now?
1st: according to the same dictionary but looked up from my computer (with link provided)
private sector n. The part of the economy that is controlled by individuals or private organizations and is not funded by the government.
According to businessdictionary.com : private sector, The part of national economy made up of private enterprises. It includes the PERSONAL SECTOR (HOUSEHOLDS)and corporate sector (companies), and is responsible for allocating most of the resources within an economy. See also public sector.
2nd: No, you are spinning it. My point was, without welfare the private sector WILL pick it up and did. All we have to do is ask as the Sun Journal did.....
3rd: I simply made a statement, YOU latched on to it and turned it into what it is now.
PS: for what it's worth, I happen to know there were some business that contributed once asked to do so. A charity fundraiser must be advertised like any other event. You can't just "be there" and wait for donations. We did it with UBM's annual toy run this year. Lot's of advertising went into it and as a result over 10,000 toys were collected in just a few hours.......I hadn't heard of Hope Haven's toy collection until I saw the story in the paper.
Jason, you linked to the original story that triggered the rush of donations they are speaking about in this story today..........the private sector isn't just corporations, it is everything OTHER THAN government.....nice try.
Tina, we have joined forces, in our constitutional amendment #10! How about instead of making the feds pay for the things they are forcing the states to do, we simply demand the feds honor our tenth amendment and stop trying to force it's power unto the states.......
Just keep in mind, the higher salary you set that bracket, the smaller the population within that bracket gets so the higher you would need to set the tax rate to make up for it.........so let me ask you this, do you really believe that increasing the tax rate only on the rich will fund the 120 million DHHS shortfall all by itself when the ENTIRE tax cut (middle and upper class) totaled 150 million? You'd either have to set that bracket real low, which it already was, OR set the tax rate so damn high you'd never get support enough to pass it and if you did our rich WILL leave state, taking with them, those tax dollars.........
What happened to the days when they didn't plow as much and they didn't remove snowbanks as quickly. Instead we put orange balls on our antenna and snow tires on the car and drove in it.........welcome to Maine, where it snows in the winter.
It is amazing how the private sector steps up to the plate when the public sector simply can not do it anymore.........and it seems as though Hope Haven just may understand this.
You are vehemently avoiding this question Dan.....I am merely asking your opinion, which you gladly force on us every day, but for some reason you do not wish to give it on this one simple question: At what annual salary would you "rescind" the tax cut and put them back at 8.5%??
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 18:56 "how about republicans rescind the massive tax cuts they gave the wealthy this year."
rescind, meaning: to abrogate; annul; revoke; repeal. That tax break you want to rescind was to everyone making $19950.00 or more......
Now, if you would like to simply tax the "rich" more, we'd have to create a fourth tax bracket and set that at the original 8.5%......would this be acceptable to you? At what annual salary should we set that fourth bracket?
The change to the top tax rate was from 8.5% to 7.95%, a total of .55% (just over half percent)
The top tax rate starts at $19950.00 for a single
The median annual salary in Maine for a single is approx. $31782.00
The average annual salary of the middle class single in the US is approx. $33517.00
That means the "tax bonanza" as Dan puts it, also affects just about the ENTIRE middle class in Maine, which is MUCH MUCH larger than Maine's upper class and surely takes the most advantage of this cut. So, rescinding the tax cut as Dan would like to do, would also take that tax cut away from the middle class. To help the middle class as most of the country wants to do, we must cut that top tax rate.
I've showed this to Dan time and time again, he just doesn't want to know the truth......
It is great to finally have a governor that has the courage to propose the changes our great state needs! The ones past administrations have ignored and kicked down the road. Thank you Paul LePage, for running last year and thanks in advance for doing what it takes to get the job done over the next three!
when you have a president plowing over our constitution like Obama is, it is everybody's responsibility to stop him and a filibusterer is an effective tool to do so.
what your telling us Dan, is that we have a president that is doing everything that republicans, and many democrats, will disagree with. You'd think he'd have learned by now, especially after losing control of congress. If his support was as strong as he thinks it is, we wouldn't be able to stop him.........someday you'll be glad we are.
They probably sleep pretty cozy and warm, but why is it you blame them? What is causing our inflation is the massive amount of spending coming from Washington......you see Bobbi, every time Obama signs another bill that requires more spending he either borrows it from another country or simply prints more money. Printing more money lowers the value of our dollar causing prices to rise. If you want to stop the inflation, tell Washington to stop the spending and vote accordingly next November!
Dan, I'll tell you the same thing I told your dad. You can't expect me to tell the truth AND tell you something different every time....they just don't go together!
and it was over regulation created by democrats that pushed them out of state.......why don think there was a big "to do" about Maine being "open for business" right after a republican was elected?
no denial here....I've always said things went to hell as soon as Democrats took control of congress the last two years of Bush......that's 5 years ago isn't it?? And I have also said many times that with democrats trying to pull us into socialism, it is our responsibility to stop them......makes perfect sense. We'll continue to do anything we can to stop them.
socialism doesn't work...it hasn't worked in Europe either. Therefore it is our duty to stop him as our forefathers would expect us to. There is no need to "try to make it work" since many other countries have already tried and failed......
Dan, I'm giving you control of the discussion! Let's talk about some real numbers here. Where would you set the top tier (so as to avoid the middle class) and at what percentage would you set the tax rate?
Everything she is saying is her own personal observation. One which many also share. Nobody can accuse her of lying or even exaggerating!
It is great to see our seniors finally speaking up publicly about the horrendous affects of the Obama administration on their lives. Many of which voted for his "hope and change". I hope this means they'll vote for a conservative next November. Real good "hope and change" will come.........it's either that, or 4 more years of much worse.
So are you now saying you want ONLY the wealthy cuts to be rescinded? Eg; We would have to add a special tax bracket like at $100,000? Is that what you are now saying?
Dan, I am not putting words into your mouth. I simply asked you a question. Here it is again: "So would you like to add that .55 percent (that's barely over HALF a percent) back into the paychecks of everyone making $19,950 per year or more?"
Do you see that little hooky looking thing at the end of my sentence??? <-- just like these? That is called a "question mark" and it means I am asking you a question. That isn't just my interpretation of the little hooky thingy, that's a fact.
No lies from me Dan. The tax break "bonanza" YOU want to rescind according to your MANY posts about it is the recent lowering of the top tax tier from 8.5% to 7.95% and that tier affects ALL Mainers making $19,950 per year and up........that include the middle class Dan. Maine's median income is 31782 and the national median income of the "middle class" is approx. $33,000, both WELL WITHIN the tax break YOU want to rescind. No lies from me Dan, you said it all by yourself all over the SJ blog on MANY strings.........your denial does not help your image here.
I should add that the median income for the "middle class" is around $33,000 per year, give or take depending on source. That means Dan wants to rescind the tax breaks LePage gave to the middle class along with the few rich........hmmm, I wonder what percentage of Mainers fall into the "middle class" versus the "upper class"? (or moguls as Dan calls them)
So would you like to add that .55 percent (that's barely over HALF a percent) back into the paychecks of everyone making $19,950 per year or more? That's the "huge" tax cut you keep talking about. How many folks reading this would like to see that?
Noooooo, I am talking about ALL Mainers making $19950 per year or more which consists of MOST working Mainers. You're the one who completely ignored everyone between high school kids and the successful.........or "moguls" as you call them.
You've really got to stop trying to spin the discussion when you've already got your share of words invested in it. You make yourself look like a fool Dan. I'm concerned for you.....
Wilma, you answered your own question: "Why is it that the only cuts that the state or the United States can come up with start with the people at the bottom?" when you made the statement: "Our biggest employer is DHHS".....how many people do you know at the "top" are utilizing any programs from the DHHS?? The issue being discussed right now is not the statewide budget, but the DHHS budget......which means, the needed cuts WILL affect someone that is perceived as "in need".........
But I agree, the system sucks.....so vote for a TRUE conservative in November and see REAL change come our way!
to be the devils advocate here, I think your use of the term "queen" (which is indeed the opposite of "king) may come across as implying he might be of the "alternative lifestyle" which would be crossing the line even in my book Paul.......but I understood your real meaning.
Dan, they may not always respond but they do listen. From my experience, you get best results by writing an original letter. Do not use a "form letter" that 1000 other people might be using as well.....those usually get ignored or you'll get a "form answer".
now we know why Republicans have such difficulty getting anything done in Washington........look what we've got to work with. A bunch of men and women that know it all but have NO answers......
You seem to be under the impression that tax bracket consists of only a few high school students and the rest all rich folks........how much do you make a year Dan? How many rich moguls do you think Maine has? (actually paying taxes in Maine anyway, we have to consider all the rich Hollywood liberals that call Maine home 49% of the year.)
Dan, you've been labeling it as a "massive tax bonanza to the wealthy" all week.....who are you trying to kid? If you've done any research at all, you'd know that the change to the top tier was only .55% (that just over half percent in case you don't know what that funny little snowman symbol is) and it affects ALL Mainers making $19950 or more.......Maine's median income is $31782.
In the past you complained of the rich "not paying their fair share" but now we're on a different topic, you will gladly tie the rich to the top tier of income tax totally undermining yourself...again...
Like I've said before, enjoy YOUR tax cut Dan.....unless of course your on the receiving end of MINE. Then, well, I will enjoy it!
Dan, it wasn't a "tax bonanza" to the wealthy! It was a tax cut to ALL Mainers making $19950 or more.....that covers MOST Mainers.......even some high school kids. Enjoy your tax cut while you have it because if one of yours is elected next time around, he's gonna take it away from you.......
You're right Dan, "normal people" would just keep swiping that card until it's maxed out!.........guess what? It's now maxed out........the deficit existed before the cuts Dan and we all know it, repeating that just makes you look like the fool.....keep up the good work!
With all due respect Gerald, you seem to know that cuts need to be made to the DHHS budget. You seem to believe that the decisions of the administration are the wrong ones, but go on to say that the decisions need to be made by "experts"....well, determining if the decision is wrong just as likely would require an expert as well.
We are not talking about the state budget. We are talking about DHHS budget. No matter where we cut, someone "needy" will notice it, after all I don't know too many "self supportive Mainers" that are utilizing DHHS programs. I would, however, really like to hear your opinion on where the cuts should be made. What programs should be cut instead and are you ready to defend your idea to those affected by your cuts?
Still, nobody here wants to answer those questions? How would you suggest we cover the DHHS shortfall? Which programs should be cut instead, or which programs should we take from to cover the DHHS
Dan? Riml? Dosh?
Answering the questions would require them to "cut" from someone else and they wouldn't have the brass to do it so they will not say it. They'd rather force republicans to do the hard work so they can chastise them another day, on another article.
It wasn't his time to speak. If he were to barge his way in and demand to speak you would have called him a "bully"! You can't deny that, we all know you too well!
Seems as though we have a few people on here that always have the answers but are never able to tell us what they are........maybe they are just saving them for when they run for office themselves?
LOL....you're losing it Dan. Those tax cuts weren't big enough to account for 120 million by themselves and DHHS had its budget problems long before any tax cuts and you know it.
Still no link to the data you use huh? No real answer from Dan Breton?
Dan it seems you agree that the rich are paying the "top tax rate" when in the past you have insisted that the rich "don't pay their fair share".......yep, you're right! They pay MORE!
FYI: Maine's top tax rate starts at an annual salary of $19950 and Maine's median income is $31782.......many Mainers below the median income also benefit from any cuts to the top tier.
and while you are at it Dan, why don't you answer the questions I have asked of Dianne and Dr. Dosh? How would you suggest we cover the DHHS shortfall? Which programs should be cut instead, or which programs should we take from to cover the DHHS
Dan, I asked you three days ago on this story -> http://www.sunjournal.com/comment/89179#comment-89179
to please provide a link to the source of your "wealthy tax break" claim and you have yet to do so. When Tron doesn't respond it is usually because he can't.
Liberal rag stories don't count......link the actual information.
Maybe, Dr. Dosh, you could answer the questions I asked of Dianne? How would you suggest we cover the DHHS shortfall? Which programs should be cut instead, or which programs should we take from to cover the DHHS shortfall?
Yes, I agree. That is a dumb question......you will now try to imply that because I do not receive any government insurance that it doesn't effect me. The better question would be: "Do these cuts affect me?" and my answer is yes. They affect half of my household income.
I have a question for you; Where or how does the occupy movement come up with 99%?
Yes, I remember taking the city bus with my mom across town to shop all day on Lisbon St and lower Main St.......you didn't have to go to Portland for high end merchandise!
Just think, if we had a big magical bottomless pot of money, everyone would be happy......but, we don't. How would you suggest we cover the DHHS shortfall Dianne? Which programs should be cut instead, or which programs should we take from to cover the DHHS shortfall?
Everybody wants our government to be more fiscally responsible, until it affects them.......it's the old "not in my backyard" syndrome. Take from somebody else instead........
Dan, this seems to be your "cookie cutter" response lately to anyone that doesn't agree with you. If we don't see it then there's no hope for us.........are you having trouble digging up facts now? I am looking forward to the next election when, with all your wisdom, you put YOUR name on a ballot.
Please provide a link to the source of your info......it is my understanding the tax breaks went to Mainers making $19,950 to $39,950. Since when is $ 19,950 or $ 39,950 wealthy ? ! ?
Liberalism and conservatism are ideologies and those that embrace them generally live their lives around them even if they don't realize it. Your question, although a good one, is much like asking: Why does everything have to be Christian or Jewish? Why can we all just be "believers"?
Being a republican or democrat is simply a designation anyone can choose, even if they don't follow the same ideologies. They can fake it. True conservatism or liberalism comes from the heart and mind and can not be faked.
I'll give you an example: Last year the NTSB released their propaganda concerning motorcycle accidents in an effort to "push" for helmet legislation. They said basically, that motorcycle deaths doubled from 1998 to 2008 and used a current "hot button" in Washington by saying we were becoming a "burden on society" in healthcare costs.
A bit of research found that, yes motorcycle deaths did indeed double from 1998 to 2008. In bodies that is. Motorcycle registrations ALSO doubled making the death rate the same showing no increased. They also failed to tell the public that around 2005 the motorcycle community began a push for responsible riding and that 2008 was actually 3 years into a decline in motorcycle deaths but they had to get their agenda out before that news came to light so they chose the 10 year span that told their story best. 1998 to 2008.....who chooses a date range like that?
Another surprising fact we learned unexpectedly about the NTSB is that while they have investigated thousands of plane and train crashes, they have only investigated 3 motorcycle crashes but for some reason that made them "experts".
I'm not trying to push the helmet issue here but this is my experience with the NTSB. Everything they say needs to be verified!
Don't get me wrong, I do recognize the dangers of cell phone USE while driving but Joe, you've hit the nail on the head. I just want to add though, through my experiences researching motorcycle rights issues, the NTSB is well known for giving ONLY the info they need to sell their point. On the motorcycle side, we've discredited them many times. I also want to add, since you mentioned the "proposal". The NTSB does not have ANY law making powers. They can only recommend. In the past they have threatened to pull federal highway funding from states that didn't comply. That's why most states passed helmet laws back in the 70s. They did it out of fear, until that is, the NTSB's actions were deemed unconstitutional. Now most states have either relaxed or completely reversed their helmet laws. The NTSB recommendations need to be taken seriously but ALWAYS need to be verified.....and verified again.
Bob, our liberal opponents will continue to demand apologies and explanations for every little thing we do in an effort to distract the public. However, they will never, ever accept our explanations or apologies as we would theirs.......but you know this already.
Doreen, the Forbes review may not have said anything about welfare but the quote in the article wasn't LePages, it came from a Forbes representative. The writer just failed to put "Forbes said:" in front of it.
It isn't "just because of forbes mag".....when an independent third party rates us as low as they did, it is our governors duty to ask "why did you grade us so low"....and as it turns out, the reason is very much the same Lepage has been saying all along. How many more independent agencies have to come to the same conclusion as LePage before you acknowledge that maybe he is really on to something?
LOL.....yes you're right Dan, that's a freebie. The US Cole doesn't count, tell that to the families of the victims. HOWEVER, the bombing of the trade center in 1993 was on US oil and I could just as easily say Clinton did nothing to stop that. Not only did nothing to stop it, but also did nothing to achieve justice and had he done that, 9-11 would be a non issue.......he had multiple chances to remove Bin Laden and he sat on his hands.
There's only been two attacks of 9-11 magnitude on US soil in recent history and everyone knows that, but that doesn't excuse all the others. Don't ever believe they don't tie together somehow........
Funny how you expect me to accept as Obama's excuse for the over spending and unemployment as the housing collapse, a banking collapse, an auto industry collapse and 2 wars but you refuse to accept the fact that Bush had 9-11,(the largest attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor) two funded and approved wars, and major floods that sunk entire cities, and worst of all two years of democrat controlled gridlock in congress with Nancy Pelosi....
you know Dan, you've said some real asinine things but this takes the cake! If you think those attacks were planned and executed all in 6 months time then there isn't much hope for you. And FYI: Yes the USS Cole was attacked during the Clinton era as well as a few other interests abroad.
Dan you seem to forget that Clinton knew Bin Laden was up to something and had multiple chances to take him out but chose not to..........I bet now he has regrets.
Oh look! Something shiny! Stay with me Riml, you've taken a discussion about the ratio of our national debt to GDP and turned it into a Bush/Iraq/Afghanistan rhetorical commentary. Your the one that claimed it was "unfunded" and one of your first comments here supported my correction when you said: "The wars technically were 'Funded'" thank you for confirming! But now you are starting to appear desperate and scrambling for a defense..........
LOL...that's funny! All Obama did was say: Yeah, ok, you can pull the trigger now! After months of tedious work done by our great military and military leaders. The same leaders Bush put in place and Obama left in place because they were the right choice. Same with the pirates, Obama did nothing other than give permission to do what our military said had to be done.........you'll notice though, on the other military decisions, he has complete disregard for the opinions of our military leaders.
Here are the US unemployment yearly averages according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Again, when was it Obama took office? See below for a hint! An "improvement" will come when the rate is back to "before Obama". All we've seen so far in 2011 is a slight reduction in the damage he caused. It's like your kid coming home with your car wrecked and saying: "but dad, I vacuumed the interior for you!" It's still wrecked!
Now this time I used the official CBO data, as you guys said I should, and you disagree with me? Childish! It's time to face facts and admit it. Obama is ruining us financially, among other ways.
I see the discrepancy Riml, the CBO figures go by the feds fiscal year (ending in October) and the chart I have uses calendar year but the fluctuations are consistent between the two. I will use the CBO chart from now on though, just for you.....according to the CBO chart "hist07z1.xls" these are the debt stats as a percentage to GDP for each fiscal year. Now refresh my memory, when was Bush in office? When Did Obama take over?
I agree Mark, all of them through the years have added to it and the national debt has never really "gone down" as far as actual dollars is concerned. As our economy has grown over the years, the percentage of GDP grew with it but it grew slower than the actual debt dollars. We will always have debt but it's time to set a limit in percentage to GDP......a balanced budget amendment will do just that.
Mark, there is no "math" to be done, these are stats. Where are you getting your numbers from? My numbers show Bush leaving us at 10.6 trillion with Obama taking it to 14.3......irregardless, national debt is usually measured in percentage to GDP. The numbers I quoted are % to GDP. I am not finding your numbers anywhere.
You missed the boat Al! I am not blaming Clinton and Obama for any mistakes of the Bush administration. I am clearly blaming Obama for the OUTRAGEOUS spending coming out of Washington TODAY! You liberals constantly claim that Bush put us more into hawk than anyone, but the numbers can't be denied. That prize belongs to Obama and nobody else. Nice spin though. I give it an 8.
As far as me never voting for a democrat, you obviously don't know enough about me to make that claim as I used to be a democrat..........until, that is, I opened my mind and started paying attention.
FYI: If you're gonna use specific people to represent the democratic party, you may want to make sure they actually WERE democrats. Washington was a federalist and Abe was a republican.
Oh Riml! I know you're smarter than that! Those numbers clearly show that the national debt that was aquired through the Clinton years (with NO wars or natural disasters I might add) then "maintained" through the Bush years even WITH 9-11, two FUNDED wars, AND a natural disaster. The debt jumped a bit during the first year of Obama which I will give you the benefit of the doubt and call it "grey area" but the sudden surge on his second year is ALL Obama's and deny it all you want, it just makes you look like a fool and I know you're not. It's time to admit it. The Obama administration is reckless with our money!
Clinton: 65.25% NEVER above 70%
W. Bush: 64.24% NEVER above 75%
Obama: 92.36% NEVER BELOW 90% with his first year being the lowest at 86.4% and last year and this year to date at over 95%.......can't blame bush for it anymore!
Joe, don't get hooked into Dan's trolling. He's up at midnight to be the first to read and respond to LSJ articles. Always looking for an argument and usually knows exactly how to get one started. He's a professional.
This isn't about who deserves insurance or who doesn't. It's about whether or not Maine can afford to foot the bill anymore. When the bill is larger than the paycheck it's time to reduce the bills.
Someone HAD to get into the pool, empty or not. Our last "leader" sure as hell didn't have the courage to do it, LePage does. All those cuts you are describing will surely upset people just as well. How will you explain your reasoning to those people when that happens?
Point is, no matter where we cut, there will be a certain amount of upset from various groups. Are you willing to do your part in absorbing some cuts?
on another note Robert, a few years back we all had a chance, the "entitled included, to force Maine's government to spend within our means when we voted on TABOR (2 or 3 times I think). We, the people of the state, refused to pass it. The chickens have now come home to roost........
actually Robert, that 7% was a DECREASE in population.....this is the "can that got kicked down the road" by democrat "leadership" in the past forcing us to make drastic changes now. We've already dilly dallied on it long enough. The resistance is perfectly normal to any change. Those that reap the benefits of programs being cut will scream because they feel they are losing something that is theirs. Hence the term "entitled". But you know darn well, with our governments overspending the way they are now, we all, you and I included, stand to lose much much more down the the road if we don't get it under control.
My wife works in social services so I am sure I will be affected in the near future as well and I am ok with that because I know we must make tough changes now in order to advance later. I am taking steps now so that any changes that come my way will be as painless as possible to my family.
Because it's the DHHS budget we are talking about.....EVERYONE in their programs is "needy" therefore, it stands to reason, the "needy" will take a cut just like many of us are doing at home.
it's all because of almost 40 years of take, take, take coming from the "entitled" causing the state to give, give, give........unfortunately "we the people" weren't paying attention and we allowed the state to give, give, give, too much and now can't afford to give, give, give more to make up for the cut coming from the fed and the fed is in the same boat as the states are. When does it stop? Do you allow your children to take, take, take from you? Or do you eventually tell them "no"? Because you simply can not afford to give any more.....Right now, our state government is doing what it needs to and saying "NO" just like we have to do with our children.
At the end of the day, the reason for these cuts is because we are losing federal funding for the program and Maine simply can't make up that loss, therefore the cuts are coming right from Washington! Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck.......but some of you are choosing to call it a crow.
You need to start paying more attention to what LePage is doing and less to what liberals are telling you he is doing. He speaks with "regular" Mainers every day! You just have to go to the LAST pages of the newspapers to get those stories.
because his salary and the salary of his one family member would not even cone close to making a difference........at the end of the day, our state spends more than it has coming in. THAT is irresponsible no matter how you look at it. Cuts need to be made and someone isn't going to like it, this time it's you, next time it might be me, period.
I don't see anywhere in this article that it says LePage is taking coverage away......just says the state can't afford Medicaid to cover a certain group, and those in that group happen to be without child. The underlying message is quite possibly that Medicaid simply doesn't work for all....maybe we need something else? .....but, liberal blinders fit so damn tight, they don't let you open your minds and see the whole picture. I say, let's wait until the details are revealed before passing judgement......you know, those details that have NOT been revealed yet. The ones that just might deliver a very different message.......
For those that don't know how to help, there is one small way coming up on January 28th. L/A Harley Davidson and United Bikers of Maine are sponsoring their annual "Chili & Chowder Cook Off" to raise money for "Advocates for Children", a group dedicated to the prevention of child abuse in the Androscoggin area. If you have a great secret family recipe for what you consider the greatest chili OR chowder, please enter the competition and don't hesitate to bring you children because there will also be a "Youth Bake Off" as well! These events are always great fun and the more entries and visitors voting for them, the merrier!
Enter you dish, OR simply stop in the taste others and cast your vote (and warm up too)!
It would have been irresponsible for any governor to refuse funds set aside for a federally mandated project. That would be dumb. The project was going to be paid for one way or another.....if not out of the feds kitty, then out of the state's.
Noooo, I am making reference to the fact you are stuck on the whole 3/5, 2/3 detail when that doesn't affect the real point of my post in the first place. And yet again, you are blowing smoke and avoiding the fact that democrats rejected the amendment. I must ask you, with a talent like yours, can you spin straw into gold?
again Dan, it's right there in the article for those that make the choice to see it: "States are mandated to have the exchanges in place by 2014 or the federal government will do it for them." Do you know what "mandated" means? That means until the lawsuit is successful we will HAVE to do it or the feds will do it for us, therefore we will need the funds to do so. If the Obama administration was using even an ounce of common sense, this would be a non-issue.
There is one other difference. I can clearly see where the blame lies for the failure to pass this amendment and you simply refuse to. Instead you choose to use a bit of smoke and mirrors to distract others from the point of my post. Democrats do not want a balanced budget amendment and they made it clear! They do not want us commoners telling them not to overspend our money.........
Yes, you're correct Dan. That was an honest "error" and since this blog doesn't allow us to edit our comments I had to leave it in hopes that you were still "away" and wouldn't notice. Article 5, as the copy I keep in my pocket states, a 2/3 vote is required. Yes Dan you caught me in a big fat lie......I'm just another one of those capitalist pigs, purposely trying to pull the wool over American's eyes so I can make millions. In this case, 2/3 or 3/5 is completely irrelevant.....democrats still rejected it.
Joe, you're confusing "balanced budget amendment" (to the constitution) with "balanced budget".....a balanced budget amendment to the constitution would not specify any tax increases, decreases, or any cuts or increases in spending. It would simply require our government to balance the budget each and every time....
You're comparing democrats throwing out a constitutional amendment that would require them to spend our money more wisely to republicans throwing out a 300 billion dollar tax increase? As my 9 year old would say: "Really Riml?"
Yes Mark, but if they don't submit such a bill, then democrats will be forever saying the republicans made no effort. That they are the "party of no". Now it is documented for eternity......democrats don't want a constitutional amendment forcing them to spend more wisely while **most** republicans are at least willing to try.....
Hey Mark, FYI: did you know that republicans, yes republicans, submitted a balanced budget amendment just last week that garnered very little support from democrats? (3/5s vote required for constitutional amendments) We should be hearing about this one on all stations but we're not.....
How about we just say "some" republicans spend foolishly?
Actually Robert, it starts with YOU contacting your representative! Legislators don't usually just sit around and make laws up out of the blue. They usually write a bill based upon a request from a constituent or another person with interest......
** DISCLAIMER: Note I said "don't usually" meaning, "not always"! Sometimes they might! **
Here's another "purple frog" for you Bob. The article clearly states his job was done and he voluntarily resigned....but you, in your permanent denial, can't see it........because you choose not to.
My original post had nothing to do with jobs. My second post did and that was to offset your previous post speaking only of jobs lost. I leveled the field that's all.
That info I linked you to is far from propaganda. It is a coop effort between the federal government and state governments to provide the most accurate info possible. You liberals are funny, I could put a purple frog in front of you and you would deny it was purple simply because it was placed there by a conservative.
You hit the nail on the head Ed, Ron Paul has half a brain. That said, I know it's going to be a tough battle over the next year but if republicans rally behind the candidate chosen it can definitely be done. The key word is "rally"......many republicans I have spoken to have told me that no matter who they are hoping for now, the candidate on the ticket is getting their vote at the general election.
They all have good ideas and they all have downfalls. The one that can overcome his or her downfalls best will win. Hell, I even know a few democrats that will be supporting a republican this time around, unless of course the democratic party decides to give Obama the boot as well and promote a new candidate.....fat chance though.
Where do you get your "data" from Bob? You can't just count the jobs lost without counting the jobs gained, the difference is a net gain.....unemployment in Maine dropped two tenths from September to October.....November isn't finished yet but we'll see how it does soon enough.
What does our governor have to do with "national leadership"? ......But on that note, our governor has indeed brought in jobs, with both existing companies and even got one to come back from India and repatriate to Lewiston.
It all goes hand in hand Roland.......our economy right now isn't the best place to start a new or move a business into. It's going to take some BIG carrots to convince them the expense of a move to re-patriot will be worth it. One of those BIG carrots has to be a new national leader and that is coming in another year.
Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported.1
Males are the least likely to report a sexual assault, though they make up about 10% of all victims.1
What happens to Rapists When They are Caught and Prosecuted?
60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police, according to a statistical average of the past 5 years.2 Those rapists, of course, never spend a day in prison. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 6% of rapists ever serve a day in jail.
Ann, you said: "Now, you are telling me I must be a different person, if I am in Maine."..... you are very wrong. My words are still up there for all to clearly see that I did not say anything of that sort.
you also said: "no one that responded to me wanted to hear the truth about, "violent sexual abuse"."...also wrong. We want to hear the WHOLE truth and not just the side that affects you.
I am sorry you believe all Americans are the same but I am willing to bet MOST of America would wholeheartedly argue that one with great success. My whole point from the beginning was that you can not write a letter to appeal to folks in Boston and expect that exact same letter to have the same effect with folks in Maine......or California, or Florida and so on.......etc, etc..
Anyone that is out to "convince" or "entice" uses sales techniques. Just like I must understand my customers to be effective, you as a writer, must understand your audience.
I'm sorry you don't understand and I'm sorry I wore out an experienced "LTE writer" in only a few short paragraphs. I can assure you, we all believe it is a travesty, sex crimes against children, women, AND men......we could easily simply say "Sex crimes" is the travesty. Men are abused as well, and the travesty about that is men have no where to turn for support.....many go unreported.
On another note, I am in sales. I sell all over Maine and I can assure you, the techniques I use in Maine may not work in Boston and the techniques our reps use in Boston may not work in Maine. Two very different people! When you are trying to raise awareness, you are yourself "selling", selling an idea or a belief. You would have made a much bigger "sale" in Maine had you included men in your letter. Truth IS truth.....
Yes, the hidden message. Re-read your letter leaving out all the gender specific references and then tell me if the responses would have been different. I am willing to bet they would have been more supportive, which is really what you were after isn't it?
Ann, the hidden message in the responses is: your message would have been much stronger had you not left out the minority situations....... activism 101
Statistics can only come from reported incidences.......as a boy, I can remember fantasizing about one of my female teachers. I must admit, had she made advances on me I would have never said a thing. Boys and men think very different than girls and women. For some reason, among high school age kids anyway, it is acceptable for a boy to "score" with an older woman......yes, high school boys want that. It's in our genes! It doesn't work that way for girls. I do not believe that 99:1 percent ratio is accurate. I believe it only represents those incidents actually reported........ just my 2 cents
Democrats have always supported the poor....with our money! Conservative thinking breeds success and success brings wealth. It is evident in every industry.....
Irregardless of what side of the issue you are on or even what the issue is. If we don't want to lose something we have then it is up to ALL of us to make sure it isn't abused. All it takes is a few to ruin it for all. I am willing to bet, in the future (well, the immediate future anyways because complacency will set in) both parties will scrutinize the process better and report anything "fishy". It is up to all of us, on both sides, to protect the integrity of our elections by reporting any abuse, even if it is by our own party.
third party groups that believe they are "helping the cause" sometimes take out their own adds. This can send mixed messages. That is what he is referring to.
all this means now is the process will be scrutinized more closely in an effort to keep this question from coming back. Those that felt their rights were being taken away this time will be more vigilant in future elections so as not to "lose their rights" down the road. All it takes is a few cheaters to ruin it for all. Don't let it happen. If you see it, say something......
We're going to find, both sides scrutinizing the process in the future.
I agree with you wholeheartedly David! Very childish reaction! But then again, Larry Gilbert could afford to behave in that manner right? After all, he's all done! I find it hard to believe that in Maine's second most populated city, they can not attract the business they need.......maybe, just maybe it was the leadership that failed Lewiston and NOT the voters!
The idea of a casino is to bring revenue from OUTSIDE the area. It is tourism. Some parts of this state depend on tourism and some do not and should not. Lewiston, with it's population, should NOT need to depend on tourism to pull them back up.
Oh Riml, you've had almost 48 hours to come up with a good spin and this is the best you can do? You're slipping! I had responded to your words: "39% of Mainers were crazy enough to vote for LePage....".....therefore, it was you that made this into a "minority vote" issue. Your very words are right there for all to see. Can't deny that........
I am aware of that and i don't have a problem with it, as I don't think any party should have full control. Heather Graham? Hmmm.....you can have her feet, I'll take what's left! <--- surely you agree THAT deserves an exclamation point?!
considering it happened during the first two years (after which the Reagan recovery took hold) and democrats are allowed to blame the last administration for everything that has happened during the first THREE years of the Obama administration, sure I'll use that.
For what it's worth, I'm not angry at Obama as he is doing exactly what I expected him to do. I'm just disappointed at all the people that voted for him for the wrong reasons even after conservatives warned that this is what would happen.
Another funny one! Conservatives have not been allowed to blame the democrat controlled congress for screwing with he last two years of GW's term (you know, when the economy really started to go to shit!) but they can blame the republican controlled congress for Obama's failure to lead us out of it. Obama may have inherited two wars but he made the choice to keep ALL of GW's command in place (you know, the guys that actually FOUND Bin Laden) and he made the choice NOT to pull out as he PROMISED his supporters he would....not to mention the MANY other campaign promises he made to YOU that he broke.
China has been playing their games and using us for decades under many presidents. That's not going to change for anyone...unless of course we elect someone that will put his foot down but be prepared for public outrage on that one.
Afghanistan will probably never be "won" in a democratic viewpoint because Afghans don't want it! Not from us, not from anyone.
I will never blame Obama for all this mess.....much of it goes back decades, but to tell conservatives that we have have a poor model (Reagan) while you all are kissing the feet of Obama is ridiculously absurd! It doesn't lend credence to anything more you say.
It never ceases to amaze me at how you liberals like to start a battle about something specific and when your "facts" are torn apart, you simply try to keep the battle going with other subjects completely unrelated to what you used to start the battle in the first place..........
At the time, the Taliban was the lesser of two evils. Everyone on the free world would agree to that. We were in the cold war against RUSSIA, not Afghanistan!
A hike here, a decrease there all in all lead to overall DECREASES. Sometimes it's just a matter of moving it around but at the end of the day, what he did WORKED! What Obama is doing is NOT WORKING! Those are two facts nobody can deny, not even you!
Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures, Peter Ferrara
President Reagan campaigned on an explicitly articulated, four-point economic program to reverse this slow motion collapse of the American economy:
1. Cut tax rates to restore incentives for economic growth, which was implemented first with a reduction in the top income tax rate of 70% down to 50%, and then a 25% across-the-board reduction in income tax rates for everyone. The 1986 tax reform then reduced tax rates further, leaving just two rates, 28% and 15%.
2. Spending reductions, including a $31 billion cut in spending in 1981, close to 5% of the federal budget then, or the equivalent of about $175 billion in spending cuts for the year today. In constant dollars, nondefense discretionary spending declined by 14.4% from 1981 to 1982, and by 16.8% from 1981 to 1983. Moreover, in constant dollars, this nondefense discretionary spending never returned to its 1981 level for the rest of Reagan’s two terms! Even with the Reagan defense buildup, which won the Cold War without firing a shot, total federal spending declined from a high of 23.5% of GDP in 1983 to 21.3% in 1988 and 21.2% in 1989. That’s a real reduction in the size of government relative to the economy of 10%.
3. Anti-inflation monetary policy restraining money supply growth compared to demand, to maintain a stronger, more stable dollar value.
4. Deregulation, which saved consumers an estimated $100 billion per year in lower prices. Reagan’s first executive order, in fact, eliminated price controls on oil and natural gas. Production soared, and aided by a strong dollar the price of oil declined by more than 50%.
These economic policies amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.
During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.
The shocking rise in inflation during the Nixon and Carter years was reversed. Astoundingly, inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%. It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%, never to be heard from again until recently. The contractionary, tight-money policies needed to kill this inflation inexorably created the steep recession of 1981 to 1982, which is why Reagan did not suffer politically catastrophic blame for that recession.
Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years. The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak. The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade.
In The End of Prosperity, supply side guru Art Laffer and Wall Street Journal chief financial writer Steve Moore point out that this Reagan recovery grew into a 25-year boom, with just slight interruptions by shallow, short recessions in 1990 and 2001. They wrote:
We call this period, 1982-2007, the twenty-five year boom–the greatest period of wealth creation in the history of the planet. In 1980, the net worth–assets minus liabilities–of all U.S. households and business … was $25 trillion in today’s dollars. By 2007, … net worth was just shy of $57 trillion. Adjusting for inflation, more wealth was created in America in the twenty-five year boom than in the previous two hundred years.
What is so striking about Obamanomics is how it so doggedly pursues the opposite of every one of these planks of Reaganomics. Instead of reducing tax rates, President Obama is committed to raising the top tax rates of virtually every major federal tax. As already enacted into current law, in 2013 the top two income tax rates will rise by nearly 20%, counting as well Obama’s proposed deduction phase-outs.
The capital gains tax rate will soar by nearly 60%, counting the new Obamacare taxes going into effect that year. The total tax rate on corporate dividends would increase by nearly three times. The Medicare payroll tax would increase by 62% for the nation’s job creators and investors. The death tax rate would go back up to 55%. In his 2012 budget and his recent national budget speech, President Obama proposes still more tax increases.
Instead of coming into office with spending cuts, President Obama’s first act was a nearly $1 trillion stimulus bill. In his first two years in office he has already increased federal spending by 28%, and his 2012 budget proposes to increase federal spending by another 57% by 2021.
His monetary policy is just the opposite as well. Instead of restraining the money supply to match money demand for a stable dollar, slaying an historic inflation, we have QE1 and QE2 and a steadily collapsing dollar, arguably creating a historic reflation.
And instead of deregulation we have across-the-board re-regulation, from health care to finance to energy, and elsewhere. While Reagan used to say that his energy policy was to “unleash the private sector,” Obama’s energy policy can be described as precisely to leash the private sector in service to Obama’s central planning “green energy” dictates.
As a result, while the Reagan recovery averaged 7.1% economic growth over the first seven quarters, the Obama recovery has produced less than half that at 2.8%, with the last quarter at a dismal 1.8%. After seven quarters of the Reagan recovery, unemployment had fallen 3.3 percentage points from its peak to 7.5%, with only 18% unemployed long-term for 27 weeks or more. After seven quarters of the Obama recovery, unemployment has fallen only 1.3 percentage points from its peak, with a postwar record 45% long-term unemployed.
Previously the average recession since World War II lasted 10 months, with the longest at 16 months. Yet today, 40 months after the last recession started, unemployment is still 8.8%, with America suffering the longest period of unemployment that high since the Great Depression. Based on the historic precedents America should be enjoying the second year of a roaring economic recovery by now, especially since, historically, the worse the downturn, the stronger the recovery. Yet while in the Reagan recovery the economy soared past the previous GDP peak after six months, in the Obama recovery that didn’t happen for three years. Last year the Census Bureau reported that the total number of Americans in poverty was the highest in the 51 years that Census has been recording the data.
Moreover, the Reagan recovery was achieved while taming a historic inflation, for a period that continued for more than 25 years. By contrast, the less-than-half-hearted Obama recovery seems to be recreating inflation, with the latest Producer Price Index data showing double-digit inflation again, and the latest CPI growing already half as much.
These are the reasons why economist John Lott has rightly said, “For the last couple of years, President Obama keeps claiming that the recession was the worst economy since the Great Depression. But this is not correct. This is the worst “recovery” since the Great Depression.”
However, the Reagan Recovery took off once the tax rate cuts were fully phased in. Similarly, the full results of Obamanomics won’t be in until his historic, comprehensive tax rate increases of 2013 become effective. While the Reagan Recovery kicked off a historic 25-year economic boom, will the opposite policies of Obamanomics, once fully phased in, kick off 25 years of economic stagnation, unless reversed?
If you were a regular reader of these blogs you'd know that it is even MORE fun and trendy for certain folks on the left to blame the Governor for jobs not coming fast enough for their liking. (faster than even possible of course)........it's funny, If Carbonite had "backed out", those certain leftists would certainly and wholeheartedly blame Governor LePage. They would be all over this story like flies on crap pointing their fingers at our current leader. Hence the "insert crickets" comment. For some reason, those folks are not touching this story.......except you, but you're new so I'll go easy on you for now. Let's see what you've got.
So tell me Mike, maybe you can shed some light. Why do the leftists here in Maine blame the governor when something doesn't work to their liking, but not give credit when something does??
Common sense tells anyone with ANY business experience, that this market can not sustain 5 casinos!.....not yet anyway. Allowing a "free for all" would mean certain collapse of the industry.
Contrary to liberal beliefs, LePage is not out to piss people off. He's a common sense conservative and his stance on this issue is only common sense. There are a LOT of people in those three towns that do NOT want more casinos so I suspect, although he may have pissed off a few, he hasn't pissed off as many as you might think.
Imagine that! Not only new jobs in Maine, but actually coming from OUTSIDE of the country into Maine! Thank you Baldacci!.....Oh, wait a minute, I got that wrong! He's not in office anymore.... hmm...just who do we owe thanks for these and the many other new jobs we've seen here this year??
Wow Riml, I'm impressed! That was such a well thought out articulate response, I'm gonna give it to you by not clicking "disagree"......normally you'd have a slew spun of "data" and "testimony" in your response but you clam right up on this one......why is that??
Liberal Rule: When you can win a debate, throw out an insult and extricate yourself.
and 38% were crazy enough to vote for Baldaci, that argument is moot, get off it. ......you liberals should be happy he won with 39% vote. After all, that is what made it so easy for you all to get the peoples veto. Had he won with 70%, you'd still be hunting for signatures!
You're funny Tony. I remember not too long ago, democrats in Farmington were in an outrage because republicans rented all the buses and parked them in a lot so they couldn't be used. Students still voted, democrats just couldn't bus em in like they usually do......remember? It was all over the news!! The liberal media made sure of that!
David, conservatives are not complaining about the cuts, we are complaining about Terry implying that this is all LePage's fault..........with him and Dan, blaming republicans seems to be a natural "knee jerk" response without all the facts.....
Hey Pirate, look! It's the illusive "sensible democrat"! Kudos Frank, for having the courage to speak your mind even if it goes against the "party grain"!
BS argument Jason... If it's available, it will be used by all. Those very same republicans will NOT feel disenfranchised with a same day ban. They will register two days earlier and not cry about it. This "list" you have is proof that the intent behind the ban has nothing to do with simply disenfranchising voters. They've obviously used same day registration and have seen the holes themselves making their opinion even more valid, they are experienced!.....nice try though. Epic fail!
Oh Pirate, I wish you hadn't used that helmet/seat belt comparison! They are two totally different birds. While I support choice on BOTH issues, there is a good argument on seat belt use that is hard to debate. They help to keep the driver in his seat and in control of the vehicle in the event of contact with another object.....which in turn keeps those around you safe. A helmet affects ONLY the rider.
There is a very good reason why we have to wear seat belts even though I don't have to wear my helmet. Motorcyclists have been defending our right to choose since the 70s on this issue. When the seat belt bill was submitted, drivers sat on their hands and did nothing so the argument that we should wear helmets just to make it "fair" to the drivers wearing seat belts is bogus and unfair to us. If you want it to be "fair" then I suggest drivers speak up and put in the time and effort we have for decades.
That's how it works. If you don't like a law, you can speak out and change it but it's best to do it BEFORE the bill is signed. In the event the bill is signed without your knowledge (because you are not paying attention) Maine is one of only 20 or 21 states that allows a peoples veto. In the event you want to initiate a peoples veto on a law in Maine, all you need to do is collect signatures in the amount of approximately 1/3 of the votes that got the sitting governor into office. As much as I hate to say this, it has not required very many under this OR the last governor. So to all those 61%ers out there, be careful for what you wish because a governor elected with a higher percentage of votes makes it harder for anyone to file a peoples veto! It will make it harder for you to change something you don't like!!!
As much as I disagree with the group trying to reinstates same day registration, they are doing a better job at effecting change than drivers did with seat belts. They are doing it right......
Writer says: "In 2009, a nation cried “no” to a “stimulus” and watched as politics caused unemployment to skyrocket".....keyword here is "AND". The writer does not state that the stimulus CAUSED the unemployment as you have claimed in your rebuttal. Only that two things happened.
Those 1.6 million jobs were NOT "net jobs"....we continued to lose jobs at the same time. The unemployment rate continued to climb. Moot.....
In "right to work" states, employees can choose NOT to pay union dues so that 3.2% difference is now moot as well.
and let us not forget, just this past week the American Communist Party has thrown their support behind the "flea baggers" and their OWS protests......and he wants people to believe Tea Par-tiers are communist??
Liberals like to claim "deprivation" because it scares their very own.........pretty sad they have to scare people into supporting them.....Just ask Joe Biden --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX46sbLhjQI
All though I am all for doing what we can to get new business to come to Maine, I have to say it is pretty bad when businesses move around just to get federal grants! Get off the government teat!
Roger, both parties have strayed from their core beliefs and the only way to fix them is to hold your ground and help pull the party back to where it belongs. Get active, invite friends, flood the party with new blood to water down the old. "Republican" or "democrat" are just words on a registration card that anyone can use. Conservatism and liberalism come from the heart and can't be faked. Those that claim to be a "liberal republican" or a "conservative democrat" are either in denial, confused, or simply don't have to courage to stop the change........
I do pay attention. Nobody wants a trade war right now, not republicans or democrats. It could devastate the US economy. China has us by the balls financially and if you are listening, most republicans (and most Americans) do believe something should be done in the way of China's unfair practices. It is a delicate matter that could easily turn into an "act of war" if we are not calculated in our actions......pay the bill off first, then piss of the lender if need be.
It never ceases to amaze me Dan, how when you don't have a valid argument, you simply change the subject of said argument and think you've won. I think that's in the "Bible of Liberalism", in the first chapter, because you liberals do it all the time. The "blame Bush" excuse doesn't have near as much strength as it did 3 years ago, today's economy is owned by Obama. Obama has already spent more in three years than Bush did in all eight combined........where's that taking us??
12 years huh?? You mean the bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003? Either you failed math, or really haven't been paying attention, or maybe your just lying as you accuse everyone else?? It amazes me you blame what is going on today on Bush's tax cuts.....you know, the ones your messiah opted to extend. How about we discuss spending between the two??
Dan if you call what the Obama administration is attempting to do "moving forward" then you, my friend, need to turn around because you're in your seat backwards.........
Actually Gary, a certain conservative news station HAS indeed talked about our manufacturing going overseas many times. You gotta watch them all to get the whole story.
Responsible voters don't put voting in their "I'll get around to it" category. Registering to vote is not a "chore". It is something to be done with pride. It is something to keep a high level of priority on. If they can fit all those other things into their busy schedules, they can take a minute to register too.
Responsible voters never have to go "out of our way" to register because doing so is never "out of our way".
There is nothing wrong with letting you know what their views are. It's when a news agency only allows one side of the story to be told is when there is a problem. Fox News, although a conservative news agency, does allow both sides of the story be told.......I can not say that for some of the liberal stations.
Yes, those 19 students were deemed to be legal in that case, but it took a few days to uncover that didn't it? Their votes were already tallied, results already official. That is all the new law does, it give us a couple days to verify any "suspect" registrations. To quell any "red flags". Most states have had problems with same day registrations and we would be naive to think it isn't or can't happen here. The best fraud is NEVER detected but still must be prevented......
That said, a responsible voter never has to go "out of their way" to register, because registering is never "out of their way". When you move to a new town, you change your address, you change your phone number, you register your kids at the new school.....AND you register to vote. Protecting the process form fraud or even "perceived" fraud, protects MY vote, it protects MY voice and it will protect YOURS too.
Your absolutely right Ernest! I was debating because of his insistence on needing to use his phone while driving. Not because I feel it is only truckers. I made this same argument on an article earlier this week. Here --> http://www.sunjournal.com/comment/84770##comment-84770
Dan, he's working with other states (like most are, even the democrat governed ones) to prevent people from claiming in multiple states. Go back to bed!
Imagine the outcome had the Japs given us 6 months notice before attacking Pearl Harbor? What would we have done?? Oh I don't know, maybe prepare for them??
Yes, the "reliable" source of the intel was Sadam himself. He admitted to keeping the rumor of his WMD alive in order to "protect" his people from Iran and keep him in power.......they hung him about a week later. --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB-bsoywWEg
Dan seems to forget the huge spike in national debt. on Bush's watch took place during the last two years. He also seems to forget that the president doesn't hold the purse strings, congress does. Who controlled congress during those last two years?? Who controlled it during Obuma's first two when we broke the all time record for a single year increase in national debt? Which party??
Just because they registered on voting day once 30 years ago doesn't mean squat. Warren Buffet says he should pay more taxes too but unless he is required to it'll be a cold day in hell before he does. If they had to do it 2 days beforehand back then, they would have.
A responsible voter is ALWAYS registered. We don't have to go "out of our way" because registering to vote is NEVER out of our way........
Sometimes you just need to give them enough leash to hang themselves. Then they'll learn the lesson and the whole argument of outsourcing will be moot. Maybe taking the hit that we have over the last few decades is what we needed to wake us up? We learn from pain.
You're right Al. Our "distracted while driving" law is a perfect example of how subjectivity can turn a well meaning bill into a bad law. Everyone's definition of "distracted" is different and if you get stopped by an officer that didn't make it to DD before the Boston Cremes are gone, then his definition might differ slightly than the days when he is in a better mood. Subjectivity in a law causes anger and frustration for both sides of the issue. To pass a "no cellphone use" bill it must have support of legislators and law enforcement. Now a sneaky legislator could possibly push one through as a "health bill" with emergency status and possibly avoid the transportation committee but that is a far stretch.
believe it or not, "stupid" is too subjective and using that term would lead to a bad bill and possibly a bad law. Legislators like real numbers and black and white.....unless of course, they are pushing a bill through, that they want, quietly without wanting any of the public to know about it. Then they do it quickly without much thought and use subjectivity to their advantage.
Part of passing a motor vehicle law is it has to be reviewed by the transportation committee and that includes the state police.......who, by the way, use their cell phones for communicating quite frequently. I see it firsthand all the time and they'll be speeding to boot.
For you argumentative liberals, and you know who you are. I am NOT justifying the use of cell phones while driving. Do not even attempt to spin my words. I am an active participant in motorcycle rights issues and cell phones are indeed my enemy. I am saying, it is tough to enforce any law when law enforcement ignores it themselves. The old expression: "do as I say, not as I do" does not apply. For a cell phone ban to truly be effective, law enforcement and our legislators (and their hired help) has to hang up as well. If you were one of those, would you support a bill that made your job tougher? Will those that we are asking to pass a bill be willing to support it as well?
This story is over 2 hours old and still no comment from the peanut gallery? Still in shock maybe, that there could possibly be a republican that cares about education?? {{ insert crickets chirping }}
According to the NTSB, about 82% of all motorcycle accidents involve a motorist not yielding right of way to a motorcycle claiming they "didn't see him". (because they weren't paying attention) Most of these accidents involve a car or truck taking a left hand turn in front of an oncoming motorcycle and many involve a car or truck pulling out in front of a motorcycle. As far as me talking less and acting more, well you just don't know me. Actions do speak louder than words and I am indeed acting. Motorcycle accidents make the headlines because they happen less often than cars much like plane crashes and the media RARELY mentions the true reason for the accident. They only mention what the rider could have done to prevent his injury and never the illegal action of the motorist that actually CAUSED the accident. (not referring to the article above)
According to the National Safety Council, over 2.5 million rear end collisions are reported every year, making them the most common type of automobile accident. With roughly 6 million automobile accidents each year that is a rate of about 41.6% that are rear enders while the rate of rear enders for motorcycles in Maine is about 27%
Drivers of ALL vehicles need to pay attention! There really is NO excuse for rear ending anyone but based on today,s article here -> http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/1093048 it is obvious our law enforcement and legislators recognize that car drivers don't pay attention either and simply asking them to do so wasn't enough.
Nobody is blaming you for "looking out for the kids"......that's not a bad thing. You said: "I see that you don't like parents using words like "our children" in the argument." Well, that isn't exactly what was said! The problem I have is any time I vote against anything I am accused of hating a group of people affected. This time my very own children! It is asinine and insulting.....then they turn around and ask us to support their cause. I sell for a living and the last thing I do when I want rapport with someone is insult them. In this day, we have to question all expenditures of our tax monies. It would be irresponsible if we didn't. I tell my children the truth and if the money isn't there for a specific program then the money isn't there.
There are only 4 people in the entire world that know what's best for my family. My wife, two kids, and myself.
It isn't about the 34 dollars. It's about putting our government on a budget just like we have to do at home. This budget was padded right from the start because they knew it would meet resistance.
So next year when that $560,000 in stimulus funds, included in this budget, is gone we can blame the Obama administration for depriving our children of a proper education? Do you not think schools should teach responsibility as well?
In that case, I have no problem admitting that I don't give any funds to the democratic party! :)......I guess that means you don't matter to me right!?
Yes they do Dan, that is why we choose to teach them fiscal responsibility now so they can make wise choices when they are registered to vote..........your comment is typical of a liberal. Liberal rule #5, make you opponent appear to be attacking the young, elderly, or disabled!
I understand your thinking, that's why they call it the "Independent" party. They chose that name to confuse voters like yourself. It doesn't mean you think on your own even though you may. I used to register as "unaffiliated" while I was deciding where my beliefs really were.......
The point I am making Bob,is that when you register as an "independant" you are indeed affiliating yourself with a specific party, the Independant Party.....if you do NOT want to be affiliated with any specific party, you must register as "unaffiliated"......
It's funny how democrats can point out that Republicans control the house so it must be our fault but for the last 3 years when we reminded them that democrats controled the house for the last 2 years of the Bush administration, you know, the when the economy went to hell and the first bailout was pushed, they think it's all hogwash. They won't let us use that very same excuse!
I think this writer needs to pay more attention to what's going on and do a bit more research before putting his words in public view.
I have to jump in here Bob. You sound as if you want no party affiliation am I right? Why is it you registered as an "Independant" then? That is a party in itself you know. Many people don't know this, but you CAN register as "unaffiliated" and that would indeed indicate you want no affiliation with any party.
He's right, I've seen it firsthand. Groups that want to push new federal legislation will try to get Maine or California to pass it first in order to set the precedent. California and Maine are known for our overregulation. If a group wants to pass something federally they simply tie it into health or envirnment and bring it to Maine!
As Mainers it is our responsibility to not only make contact with our representatives but to also keep an eye on the bills being submitted each legislative session and voice our opinion to our representatives, not just our neighbors, if anything concerns us. I do it every year......you can do it too right here --> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/
It's funny, if you watch any blogs, whenever politics or government are discussed, you have liberals standing steadfast supporting thier side and you have conservatives standing just as steadfast supporting thier side and things get heated. But when you discuss the "fair tax" things rarely get heated. Questions are asked, answers given and everyone learns a thing or two. Why does this happen? Because a "fair tax" system makes sense that's why! If we want our representatives to grow the brass it takes to make this change, then it is up to us to tell them so or replace them with someone that will!
It really irks me that the officer makes it a point to say she wasn't wearing a helmet then goes on to say it wouldn't have made a difference anyway (in the TV interview)......if it wouldn't have made any difference then why even mention it? And why not mention the law that was broken by the driver of the truck....failure to yield right of way? This tragic death had nothing to do with any helmet. It had EVERYTHING to do with pure and simple negligence on the part of the truck driver. I am willing to bet he went home without even a summons, kissed his wife, told her he loved her then sat down in his recliner........
Terry you said: "Thanks for the insult, you just jumped into the pool of people online who can't help giving their opinion, and insulting others doing the same thing."
Now that's the pot calling the kettle black isn't it!? Take a look at how you started this string.
Most college bound students would LOVE the opportunity to earn 2 years worth of college credit during 5 years of high school. But do you know what would answer all your questions for you Terry????.....a task force and a study! If kids don't want to stay another year then they wont have to!
Take off your blinders Terry, open your mind! Learn something new, be innovative!
Joseph, first off, You have to excuse me for taking so long to respond as I was out SELLING in the hot sun to make money so I can pay my fair share of taxes.
Second, I did NOT say he WAS disgruntled, I said he IS disgruntled, meaning "in the present". He is NOW disgruntled. He didn't elaborate in his resignation letter why he was resigning, but he is singing like a songbird to the media now.
Third, I made absolutely NO mention of "liberal", "lib",or even "conservative" for that matter....you did!
Fourth, whether or not I have a "working knowledge" of various sales industries has absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
Fifth, companies let people go EVERY day if their ideology doesn't fit that of the company's mission.....it happens all the time, in the real world that is. Olsen and the administration were simply not a good match.
Last but not least, if your going to try to spin someone's words, you may want to make sure his original words aren't right there for all to read.
Olsen is merely a disgruntled employee! He pissed off a group of Mainers and when told to "fix it", said it was impossible. You can't undo almost 40 years of liberal over regulation by thinking the job is "impossible"...when you have an employee that feels his job is impossible, then you replace him.....unless of course he quits beforehand.........
Having my house so close to the road with traffic from out of town "passing through" at higher than allowed speeds, this is always a concern for me. Remember folks, if you see a ball enter the roadway, there WILL be a child following it! That's how you must think!
Unlike the OJ case, investigators weren't leaking information. Obviously the jury heard evidence that the rest of us weren't privy to. I can not say if she is guilty or not as I wasn't in the courtroom hearing the case.
Liberal rule #5: When it becomes obvious you will not win a debate, always, and I mean ALWAYS insult your opponent and extricate yourself at once!
You fit the mold like a glove. I never once said anything to indicate that I was or was not "armed" as you put it. I only asked you a question of which you can not answer.
Instead of spitting out drive by comments Tony, how about you go a bit deeper and try to convince us that Sarah Palin isn't credible. What exactly is it that makes her "not credible"?? Please, I'd like to know what it is you see that I don't.
That's really a cop out answer Al......those that disrespect LePage have made a conscious choice to do so and that has absolutely nothing to to with transparency of government. So I ask you again, what do you believe LePage is hiding??
Most motorcycle accidents happen just this way and the driver of the car or truck usually walks away without being charged. Failure to yield right of way resulting in an accident should hold a much more serious consequence than it currently does! This happened because the SUV driver simply wasn't paying attention.
This article is quite funny actually! Ask ANY government official in any town and any state if they get a lot of positive e-mail or letters.......I bet they'll tell you most is negative. Perusing any official's e-mail is like dropping a bucket in a septic tank and complaining about the amount of crap you hauled up! This article is not a fair depiction of the type of support LePage had on this issue.
Based on that chart, if you're looking at it from an "employee" perspective we are right about average, BUT if you look at it from a "business expense" point of view we are indeed at the very high end of the scale.......you have to remember, health care costs are not simply what an employee pays. LePage is looking for ways to bring new business to Maine (and therefore jobs) so it stands to reason he will be looking at the total cost, not just the working man's cost.
If you're going to complain about the GOP not backing up their data with facts then throw your own "data" around, should you also be held accountable for any and all facts supporting your claims??
funny how a poll from over a week ago is published right after he signs the insurance overhaul bill. Let us not forget, this bill passed the house AND senate. That means while some people may not like LePage for whatever reason, their state representatives apparently liked the bill!
This is what can happen when a market demands the "cheapest price" and a company tries to deliver.......when the going gets tough, the less profitable die off. It's too bad but that's how it works and many people don't think of it until it's too late...like now.
Again, the NAACP was implying that LePage, the father of an adopted black son, was a racist. He had every right to tell them to kiss his butt! The reporter interviewing him coaxed him for an aggravated response and that's what he got and now they continue to show that short sound bite out of context making you think he had no reason for it! If you are that regretful of your vote, then you obviously are not really watching what is going on.
"Bills in Augusta mean nothing until the legislature votes on them."
-->> "bills" is where it all starts, you can't change legislation without first submitting a bill.
"Governor LePage is not interested in hearing what real people who have received assistance have to say"
-->> Governor LePage has received assistance himself.......he was homeless when he was a child, remember??
"Follow the social networking sites and see what others are saying about Maine."
-->> Nobody likes change, especially when it affects them. People in Maine that fear those changes are complaining and the media is having a field day with it. Anyone that will "blame Maine" for the words that one man says really aren't a reliable source. There are many people elsewhere in the country that wish they had someone like LePage running their state as well......two sides.
"give tax breaks to the richest and take things away from the working class."
-->> again how? You still didn't answer that from the last post. If you know he is doing this, then you must have read exactly how he is doing it? (and I don't mean on the social network sites, blogs. or news sites)
"They care about the taxes it will cost them, the work force they have to choose from, and the ability to make money."
-->> They do very much care about the business atmosphere as well!
"he is NOT who anyone thought he was."
-->> He is exactly who I thought he was......and many others will say the same. I knew he was going to be a "pistol" but I also knew he would get things done without bowing to special interests. I wanted a governor who wasn't afraid to poke the hornets nest and get stung a few times. That is what Maine needs right now. Someone who isn't afraid to ask the tough questions and make the tough choices. He is still that person. He is keeping his word. I speak to Mainers all over the state 5 days a week, Yes, there are indeed some of his supporters who have changed their but there are also some who didn't support him that have changed their minds also..........some that supported Cutler or Mitchell now are fully supporting LePage.
"the way he has handled things up to now would not be tolerated in the business world if he were the employee."
-->> In most cases you are right, but sometimes business hire a "big gun" to clean house. To make the tough choices that past management didn't have the balls to make and fix the mistakes of previous management. As LePage campaigned, the people he met told him he was being hired to "clean house" and kick butt, in the end, he got the job. I am sure he wasn't expecting them to change their minds after wards. While I would also like him to polish up a bit, I don't want him to lose focus on the job that he is very capable of doing. The one we hired him to do. The one that you will see he is doing if you look past the hupla of the media.
His promise to bring jobs to Maine is in full effect as we speak! He promised to bring jobs by attracting good new business and to do that we must first remove the "SCRAM" mat from our front door. Steps have been taken to remove the red tape that is stopping businesses from coming here and also scaring current business away. All this must be done through legislation and there is a process involved that takes time no matter who you are.
Let's put the national job numbers in perspective a bit, during the last two years we were losing, at times, 800,000 jobs per month, that 230,000 new jobs you speak of is merely a drop in the bucket and was already anticipated by businesses in the private sector. It is our free market at work! If we can keep Obuma's socialist programs out of the way, that number will take right off!
"He is taking from the poor to give to the rich."
-->> How?
"He says removing the mural is because it's against business when in actuality businesses don't come to Maine because of the high taxes."
-->> He is trying to GET business to come here, but before they will he has to remove the "SCRAM" mat at the door!
"Tourism is a big business in this state and yet when I watch television late at night I see is a mockery being made of our Governor, that is a real big incentive to visit this state.....NOT"
-->> Tourism OWNS us and it shouldn't! It is big because it is all we have, everything else has left or is leaving. We should have good business here offering good jobs. Tourism should be our gravy. We can't depend on it!
"And now he is going on vacation after 3 months on the job..."
-->> Every one I've worked for. If I had a vacation planned already, I told them about it before I started working for them and I took it.
"If Governor LePage was truly interested in the problems in this state he would be staying in Maine"
-->> He is in contact with his office every day. He even responded yesterday to the mural mess the media has created for him.
"I will not support any politician publicly until they show me that he/she is doing what they were elected to do and at this point I do not believe Governor LePage is doing that."
-->> Governor LePage campaigned on the promise of bringing good jobs to Maine by bringing good business to Maine. He said he was going to remove a lot of the "red tape" and he is doing just that. If you monitor the bills being proposed in Augusta, you'd see many that were written to remove red tape from many areas. Making Maine more business friendly is going to take a lot of legislation and that does not happen overnight for anyone, republican OR democrat. There is a process to it. Jobs will come after business comes and business will come after bills are passed to make Maine more attractive to them. He promised good business to provide good jobs and he is indeed working on that. Look beyond the smokescreen the media is creating. Democrats don't want us to see what he is really doing, but it will all come out soon enough!
A lame duck is an elected official who is approaching the end of his or her tenure, and especially an official whose successor has already been elected.
LePage still has almost the full four years to go!
and Obuma won a Nobel Peace prize too, "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" and was nominated BEFORE he did anything even close to resembling that, not to mention Yasser Arafat and Nelson Mandela also won the Nobel prize, so that pretty much discredits any awards as far as I'm concerned.......the NYT winning the Pulitzer doesn't mean squat!
It took him over two years to do what he should have done in two months! At this point the free market is doing what was expected and rebounding. I don't credit Obuma for ANY job creation!
Regulatory reform, Mark, takes time! More than 2 months but much less than two years! If you want to see what regulatory reforms are being presented to the legislature, you should monitor the list of bills each and every day. Here -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/
Much of that will come from the regulatory reform..........gotta fix the regulations before business will want to come to Maine. Business will bring the jobs we need.
I am very serious.........what I remember of the last three months is the way liberals and the media have done everything they can to keep the smoke screen up so Mainers don't notice what LePage is really doing for us! It's only been three months and much of the red tape keeping Maine's business atmosphere from improving takes legislation to fix and that takes time no matter who you are. Once republican bills are passed, you'll see results. Yes Tony, I feel GREAT about how things are going!
I am very serious.........what I remember of the last three months is the way liberals and the media have done everything they can to keep the smoke screen up so Mainers don't notice what LePage is really doing for us! It's only been three months and much of the red tape keeping Maine's business atmosphere from improving takes legislation to fix and that takes time no matter who you are. Once republican bills are passed, you'll see results. Yes Tony, I feel GREAT about how things are going!
That's funny! How many people have you spoken to Sadie? Two?? I work all over Central and Western Maine, from Yarmouth to Clinton, from Woldoboro to Berlin NH and I am getting different results. I've even spoken to quite a few democrats who wish they had supported him on election day...and now do! Look beyond the mural (which means putting the newspaper down) and see what LePage is DOING for us! Comedians are making fun of us, yes, that's what they do! They are comedians, they make fun of Obama too!
We also need more conservatives to take part in the newspaper blogs, like this one and and all the others. Not just to "agree" or "disagree" but to actually stand up and be proud to say they are conservative. Wear it like a badge! Post and reply to comments with facts each and every day........
Yeah, because we all know how accurate and balanced the New York Times is, so let's do it because they say we should! Hail the New York Times, Mainers are indebted to you for opening our eyes!
Gary, it's up to conservatives to start pushing back against the liberal bias in the media and we do that by making sure those important stories stay alive and well!
He is listening to the people Tina......the people wanted him to cut spending and bring good jobs to Maine! That is what he is trying to focus on but the media keeps nit picking every little "menial" thing. I agree with you Tina, there seems to be a lot of attention on those "menial" things but it isn't LePage that is paying all that attention to them! It is the media and those liberals that are upset about their loss.
Steps must be taken before good jobs can come to Maine. Many good companies have left and many others will not even consider Maine because of the cost of doing business here. (they don't hesitate to go to New Hampshire though so don't blame it on the heating season expenses) When business comes, jobs will come as well! If you want him to live up to what he has promised, then support him publicly and tell the media to stop stretching the truths, don't trash him for the "menial" things the media has chosen to blow out of proportion.
Without business, the "working class" become the "stay at home class" and that won't pay the bills will it?
but the little buggers have an insatiable appetite!!
Yes, I remember liberal rule #1: debate, debate, debate and when you realize you are losing throw in an insult or personal attack and get the hell out as fast as you can! They don't want to know there is another side to the issues.
LePage isn't the one beating the dead horse on this issue. If it weren't for the liberal media pounding this story into our heads day in and day out with absolutely no real new information Maine's "image" wouldn't be affected at all............if you actually pay attention with an open mind, remove the blinders and take the cotton out of your ears, you'd know there are lots of people all over the country also rooting for him! But I don't expect you to see or hear that because like most liberals, you just don't want to know about it........
Yes, I am playing the very same childish game liberals have been playing with us for the last two years............I figure, if you can't beat em, join em!
Yes, I am playing the very same childish game liberals have been playing with us for the last two years............I figure, if you can't beat em, join em!
I wasn't changing the subject, I was merely showing you the prime examples our 50 governors have to live by.......you liberals don't seem to mind the idiotic crap that comes out of their mouths though do you. Just a subtle way of pointing out the hipocrisy we see from democrats each and every day.
They don't need to! It's happened in other states. This is preventative. You know the saying: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"......now don't tell me a gentleman of your "experience" hasn't heard that expression!
It's such a pity that democrats can not accept their loss as republicans have had to do for decades. What are they teaching our children?? If you lose, kick and scream then change the rules so you can win easier??
There are two ways to obtain data, pull existing factual data off the shelf, or make it up on your own. Since I am a conservative, I chose to use REAL data............
Ron you are overlooking the fact that if your messiah hadn't made his share of stupid comments, those videos wouldn't even exist! He and the growth that follows him around have two years of stupid comments all recorded......shall we start discussing those too??
Complaints against employers that have no basis do not usually make it to the Labor Department therefore it stands to reason that most of the ones that do will lose the case.
I also have a problem with the big mural controversy but I see it quite different than some. I don't believe LePage is the one making this a big deal. The media and left wing liberals are the ones dragging this through the mud. They are the ones that keep pulling LePage away from the important tasks to ask the same damn questions about the mural, over and over. Liberals are claiming that this mural is so important but where were they when the mural was unveiled and hung in that room?? It wasn't important then, why is it now? I'll tell you: Because it helps them make LePage look evil, that's why........
Why is it some people can take the time to write, but can't take an extra moment or two to back it up with factual details so the readers can judge for themselves? The information isn't difficult to get, but for some reason it's difficult to show.............exactly which cuts are going to affect seniors this way and how?
Chris, what I am reading in your comment is this:
"If they lose because Maine has bad laws, change the laws." <<--- DO SOMETHING TO HELP THE SITUATION
"If they lose because Maine has bad employees, then improve their education and training instead of cutting the budgets for that." <<--- DO SOMETHING TO HELP THE SITUATION
"If they lose because they're bad employers who are trying to cut corners or harm citizens, then GOOD!" <<--- SCREW EM!
Not all businesses that lose, do so because they are intentionally hurting employees. In many cases it is simply because they need to be educated as well. Why the hatred towards business and employers? Without business, the "working class" becomes the "stay at home class" and the economy stops dead.........
It amazes me at how people like Joshua and Dan continue to try to convince everyone that Paul LePage is the one making this into a big deal! Paul was told it was offensive, he looked at it and agreed then had it taken down. Yes it started a small fire but it is the media and liberals that continue to add brush to that fire then complain about how Paul isn't paying attention to more important issues! If I burn brush in my back yard and someone comes along and dump gas on it, then who is responsible for the fire getting out of control?? Stop watching the fire burn and start paying attention to what Paul LePage is actually doing to reach the goals he has set for Maine!
Well.....Ron you are no longer the "King of Spin" on this blog! Dave's got you by a long shot!............He's not as subtle though. Blatantly obvious spin!
Starting a conservative rag is something I would do....if I had the money.........wanna loan me a couple bux?? I'll let you have your own column. We can call the column "Beat the Liberal!"
Wow, only about 10% of the article was represented by the headlines..........had me fooled into reading it thinking I was going to learn something new!
The national news agencies are "picking it up" from the local news agencies. They are not sending reporters over here for the story! The Daily Show joked about it and showed a screenshot of the Sun Journal story! I understand crap like this sells! But there are other stories to tell as well and as long as we don't call out the news agencies to tell the truth, they will keep on lying! (or "massaging the truth")
We have some liberals saying this is an "art" issue, some saying it is a "symbol" issue, some saying it is a "rewriting of history" issue, some saying it is an "anti union" issue, some saying it is a "business" issue........am i missing any?? Eeeenie, meeenie, myne, moe...... I'll take "business issue" for sustainability Ron!
Ok.....I'd really like to know why the front page is covered with mural "news" for the umpteenth day and the story below is just a little blurb hidden deep inside section A??
What mistake and what weakness? Again, making claims without backing them up Ron. Quit leaving everyone guessing!
I don't believe that using the term "liberal" or "conservative" is a bad thing. Call a spade a spade. You can call me a conservative all day long as I am proud to be one and you should be proud to be a liberal. Claire is, are you?
are you saying that you weren't really calling me a liar? The words "Mark - Your nose has grown!! Something catch up with you?" accompanied by a picture of Pinochio was just coincidental?
My skin is plenty thick enough Ron.........it's just that a liberal admitting he made a mistake is such a rarity I just don't want to miss out on seeing one!
Not good enough Ron. If you've got the brass to call me a liar in public, then you need to back it up in public as well! Quote AND link to my lie so we can ALL see it!
Liberal rule # 1, Always end a discussion with a personal attack or insult, then extricate yourself as quick as you can!
You said I flip flopped and I am calling you out. Quote AND link to my flip flop. You're a smart guy, you are perfectly capable of doing so......if it really exists! If you can make that claim in public, you can back it up with facts in public as well!
You liberals have been saying for a week now that Paul Lepage is making a big deal out of this. I said it was the liberal media and liberals like you that are making a big deal out of it.....now you are saying you want to ramp it up Claire?? You are indeed dragging it on!
A you said: "I know what entry level pay is in virtually all areas of retail and that is , minimum wage fits all." I want to thank you for supporting my original point that retail is not where people turn to when they want to make real money! This discussion started when Tom said: "Let me try another direction for you. Imagine the guilt of a man who took the mural down when he supports Marden's wages for the working class." implying that Marden's pays their employees less then they are worth. Marden's is a retail outlet that pays retail wages, in most cases minimum wage just as you yourself supported. Tom (like a few others I have chatted with) was implying that Marden's should pay more and I am saying that if Mardens employees are not happy with the pay then they need to find another line of work because retail pays, what retail pays!
Now, in your post at 5:30 you said: "Mark, in your first post you wrote," when I searched for my first job, the three places I would not work at were: department stores,grocery stores and fast food". After my post you write,"I spent quite a few years in retail too, I started at the bottom and worked my way up to management".
You and Lepage are a couple of flip flop artist. Have a nice day."
You implied that department stores, grocery stores and fast food are the only areas of retail and you state that I flip-flopped when speaking of my career choice then go on to tell us that much of your retail experience is in areas other than department stores, grocery stores and fast food. If you agree that auto parts is retail, then you also agree that I did NOT flip flop when speaking of my experience.
Oh Al!! In YOUR previous post you said to me: "you don't have a clue about working your way up in retail." Well apparently you need to be informed. See, there is more to retail then department stores, grocery stores and fast food! Let's not forget, automotive, power sports, and marine industries for example! Did you intentionally leave those out Al? Or is it simply that you didn't think of them? Ever drive up Center St in Auburn? Or Maine Mall road in Portland? You can't miss the automotive industry there!...........No "flip flop" here Al!
Now before the comments start, I want to point out something. Today's story does not give any NEW information about the situation. It's just a re-shuffle of yesterdays story! Why do you suppose the LSJ published it today? Does the LSJ like to see everyone argue and debate over it? Does the LSJ feed off the anger and hatred coming from BOTH sides of the issue?? Why does the LSJ, like much of the rest of the media keep feeding the fire? I said the other day that it wasn't LePage dragging this through the mud, it was the media (and certain liberals). This just helps to prove that!
I never said it wasn't possible! My point is, people don't generally grow up planning to be successful in retail. I've never heard a child say: "when I grow up, I want to be a stock clerk so I can work my way up to manager"! Much like I've never heard anyone say: "I'm gonna take that stock clerk job so I can make big money!" Yes, some do it! But of all the stock clerks and/or cashiers Mardens has ever had, what percentage would you say moved up the ladder and found real success?? Was that your plan when you started? To jump on the retail bandwagon and ride it all the way to the top? Or did it originally start as simply a "job" or "stepping stone" to get you to the next stage in your life that you later simply decided to stick with?
I spent quite a few years in retail too, I started at the bottom and worked my way up to management as well, but I also saw a LOT of others come and go along the way. I was only one of very many. The rest didn't make it.
That said, do I regret my years in retail? Absolutely not! I learned a lot that I was able to take with me to the wholesale side of the very same industry. I walked in at ground level to make considerably more than I was as a retail manager. I was still the same person with the same drive. I was still worth the same.....the problem was that retail job just wasn't worth any more than it was paying. My point: You can't take a job as a stock clerk and then complain about the money! It's like buying a 13 inch TV and then complaining that the screen should be bigger, on the same 13 inch TV.
You're funny Tom! I've never heard anyone say: "I'm gonna be rich because I work in retail! Woot woot!!"
Marden's pays what retail stores pay! Period! When I searched for my very first job, the three places I would not work were: Department stores, grocery stores, and fast food. Why? Because they don't pay and offer little chance for real success! .....I knew that and I was just a kid!
Democrats lost control ALL over the state Ron (not to mention all over the country!), it would be a bit far fetched to blame it all on the gubernatorial race!
I was actually thinking of Washington DC........after Obama anyone would do well in the eyes of the American people! I'd never run, I'd never make it past the media.....had too much fun in my 20s. I probably have more skeletons than even I know about!
I was actually thinking of Washington DC........after Obama anyone would do well in the eyes of the American people! I'd never run, I'd never make it past the media.....had too much fun in my 20s. I probably have more skeletons than even I know about!
Not suggesting, I EXPECT to see you on the next ballot since you seem to know more about how to fix our government's problems than anyone else.........with all that knowledge you are doing the rest of us a huge disservice by sitting idly by.
David you said: "It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you add 2 and take away 2, the result is zero."
Apparently it does. You will be investing an additional 2% into your own retirement so the rest of the taxpayers can have their 2% back to pay bills with. There is no increase to your retirement nor is there a decrease.....so yeah, it is a wash, or "zero" as you put it. It's called "pulling our wings in" a little. We've had to do it at home and we expect our government to do the same or they won't be re-elected! The lack of desire to do something about our state's budget is why democrats lost control. Period!
Being in a "leadership position" does not make one a leader......... a true leader has no subordinates and doesn't need to ask to be followed nor do they need to tell people to follow them. A true leader is simply followed..........
I don't need to hurl "liberal" at Dan, it's very obvious to all of us where he stands. Clair is the only liberal on here that I've seen with enough courage to stand up and say "I'm proud to be a liberal!" I can respect that.
I am a liberal but I also strongly believe in George Patton's notion when he said "When two people think alike, one of them isn't thinking". And so I make it a point to listen to both sides whenever I can.
*** I agree
Unlike some Republicans who said after Obama's election that they wanted him to fail, I want Gov. Lepage to succeed.
*** The reason some republicans wanted him to fail is because many of us feel his goals were not inline with his promises or the visions of our forefathers, therefore, to succeed would require him to break all his promises and go against everything America stands for. Think about it for a minute, if a man's goal is to commit a wrongdoing, wouldn't you want him to fail at reaching that goal?
I want to see lower taxes and good jobs come to Maine too. I wish for example that he bought into your idea of making BIW become more commercial and less dependent on military money. General Dynamics won't ever make this happen. It would take leadership in Augusta to marshall our congressional delegation to get federal money for the conversion as well as state money and Bath would have to throw in tax kickbacks and they would have to scour the nation for private investors and then it might go forth as happened when the Brunswick Naval Air Station announced they were closing.
*** Ooooor, we could simply make Maine more business friendly and that private company (General Dynamics) would be more willing to throw the money on the table themselves! General Dynamics probably wont make it happen in the current "atmosphere" here in Maine....that is one of the changes LePage wants to make. We MUST have the business if we want the jobs!!
Thanks to a huge effort and good leadership the town will most likely avoid disaster. That is the kind of thing I would like to be seeing instead of news about art and room names.
*** LePage. or his administration are not the ones dragging the mural situation through the mud. If you don't want to keep hearing about it, then I suggest you write the editors and express your feelings about it.
because liberals and the liberal media have blown this, and every other thing they can, way out of proportion......as usual! He has no choice but to defend his decision at this point! If he didn't, those same liberals would be mocking him for being soft and not good leadership! Sound familiar?? No matter what he does, you liberals will find something to complain about! We had to live with the democrat screw ups for the last 30 years, now it's your turn....enjoy it! It's only been 3 months for you so far!
Claire, LePage isn't making a big deal out of the murals, liberals like you and the media are! He simply made the request and you've all taken it from there! He hasn't even been in office for 3 months yet and you expect jobs?? Your messiah has been in DC for over 2 years, where are the jobs he promised?? Lepage's plan is to bring PRIVATE jobs into Maine by making Maine's business environment one that would welcome good PRIVATE business instead of taxing them off (like Fairchild Semiconductor). The only way to get so many jobs in only 3 months is to follow the democrats lead by creating government (public) jobs, and those always cost us tax dollars! BIW is laying off because they are a company that relies on the government teat.........unfortunately, that teat is dry! Time to adjust and start building boats for the PRIVATE industry as well if they want to survive.
ah..."preconceived notions" is a widely used expression and even if it was all yours, two words hardly constitutes "palgerism" (the rest of us call it "plagiarism" but since you are the educated one, I'll use your spelling so I don't look like a fool) Not once have I been "busted" for "palgerism" or "plagiarism" for that matter, on here or any other blog. If you believe I did, then link to it so we can ALL see it.
As usual Brad, you have included in your post, claims that I have said things that I have not. Not once did I ever claim unions were using tax monies to push their agenda. Again, if you really believe that, then back up your claim with a link that we can ALL read. I'll be waiting.....
Um....Jenny, the reason travel and tourism is our number one industry is because we have nothing else!.........much like winning a race because everyone in front of you fell down doesn't exactly make you a fast runner!
Actually Brad, your previous response was so childish, I had to assume you were a schoolboy, hence the reference to "brushing your teeth, homework" etc.....nowhere in my comment did I say anything to imply you were poor. That is just your preconceived notion steering your mindset. Don't assume I am jealous as i can do as well as I want to, there is nobody telling me to slow down or wait for the rest...........my own destiny, remember?
Thanks for your respectful response, but do you not remember the BIG dumb thing Obama did during his campaign? The one big dumb thing that most Americans know not to do? ......Make promises without knowing if you can keep them or not........Most of the major promises he made during his campaign were the main reasons he was elected and they are now gone, and all within his first three months. I didn't support Obama, but I have many friends that did and they felt abandoned right away as his promises were thrown out the window one at a time.......they now feel they wasted their votes and that is indeed a shame. Nobody should ever feel they wasted their vote.....
Al, I am a little confused with your position on this. I agree that we must give all our politicians a chance to prove themselves. Being president is a huge undertaking but we are now beyond the two year mark (half way through his presidency I might add). Why do you give a democrat over two years worth of chances to fix things but you won't give a republican even three months?? Just yesterday you posted on this article: http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/1004031?page=1 this comment: "Create jobs--yup, he hired his daughter. Streamline Augusta--yup, he took down a mural. Now that's progress!" indicating, with sarcasm, (something LePage isn't allowed to use) that he hasn't lived up to his promise of creating jobs. LePage's goal is to create PRIVATE sector jobs by improving Maine's business atmosphere to attract PRIVATE business. It won't happen overnight. The only way to create so many jobs in only three months is to fall back on the old democrat safety net of creating PUBLIC jobs which cost us all even more and sends Maine deeper into the financial quagmire we are in.
Yep...and we're not hearing much from the liberals about the other two wars we are stuck in anymore are we?? You know, the two we had overwhelming support, IN ADVANCE I might add! Surprise!!! .....maybe there is just more going on in the middle east than we all like to think we know??
Brad you said: "How do you justify telling others how to live then?" <<-- WTH?? Where and when did I do that??
Let's see, first you at 6:58am, just getting ready for school?, I hope you brushed your teeth!
then you at 1:43pm.....just get off the bus did you?? Did you get your homework done before getting on the computer?
mine: 12:21pm, the average working class lunch time!
Maine's business climate affects me and my success very much!
It's funny how liberals can speak their mind because it is their constitutional right but when conservatives speak their minds against them, they are just starting a "flame war".............
The way your "opinion" was worded implies that you are speaking "truth" or "fact", "positive knowledge" eg: "And now... every single person who works hard in this state to support themselves and their families... " I simply said you (that statement) are wrong and I am indeed speaking with positive knowledge.
Opinion: a belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge ~Merriam Webster
Greg you said: "And now... every single person who works hard in this state to support themselves and their families... "
You are implying that this is an insult to all Maine workers, I am a Maine worker and am not at all insulted, therefore you are wrong..........you have a right to your "opinion" (actually, it was an uneducated guess, not opinion) and i have a right to call you out and say you are wrong all the while backing up my statement with a fact.......
actually Brad, I do just that! I am in charge of my own destiny. The harder I work, the more successful I am. Nobody tells me I am "working too much", nobody tells me "don't do that, It's not your job!" and most importantly, nobody tells me I have to stop working to support my "brothers" that haven't got the balls to speak for themselves! I am accountable for my own work, yet democrats consistently want to hold me accountable for other's lack of success! I learned to fish and I'm keeping my damn fish!
Wrong Greg, this is not an insult to every worker in Maine. I am not at all insulted by it. This is a mural that is supposed to depict the "history of labor in Maine" yet it focuses on union activities. When I talk of the history of my hometown of Lewiston with the elders, the "strike of 1937" never comes up! The labor department is there to represent ALL workers and a mural depicting the history of labor union activities does not belong there. The Augusta museum maybe, but not in a government building that we ALL own and represent ALL of us.
That's right, how many years did Angus King and Baldi have to "fix" it?? They sat on their hands and did nothing! Wasn't Mr. Nutting in office for quite a few of those years?? There's a reason Mr. Nutting was elected out of office! He also did nothing to fix these problems!
I understand your frustration Adam, but the only way he can "spread it out" and involve the private sector is to raise taxes which is something he told us he didn't want to do. He ran on the idea of cutting costs without raising taxes but improving efficiency. This isn't "party line transparency" here. This is in line with keeping the promises he made to voters. Not to mention, many voters actually demanded some adjustments to the state employee retirement program!
Maine citizens can not handle any more taxes, period. Every year, at tax time, I pay to the state of Maine almost as much extra as I got back from the federal government. The company I used to work for was told by their accountant that if they simply moved their business to New Hampshire, they'd save $40,000 a year. No matter who is in that office, Mainers will not accept any more tax increases. Maine has to pull it's wings in a bit and, unfortunately, that's going to affect a lot of people but it's still mild compared to what some other states are doing. My wife works for a non profit that relys on grants and I suspect, at some point this year, I will be affected much more that you are and when the time comes, I'll deal with it and move on.
My employer can and has done basically just that, two years ago when the economy really hit bottom, they said "We will halt paying in the 4% match to you 401k".........I had not choice. I understood why they had to do it and I accepted it. I didn't like but I accepted it and I made up the difference myself. I did have one other choice, but looking for another job really wasn't the best solution.
Speaking of inconvenient facts, you said "Second, as a private employee, you are enrolled in social security, so you are also in line for retirement benefits paid for out of tax revenue."
The only people paying into my SS are myself and my employer. It is an "insurance" so to speak, not a retirement package. It does not cost taxpayers anything....
Yep, I saw a few names of former reps that I recognized as democrats (since I work and don't have time to sit and check em all). You got me, however, they are not ALL republicans either!
Notice the sponsors are a mix of republicans AND democrats alike?? I haven't seen so many sponsors on one bill before. Here they are:
Presented by Representative CEBRA of Naples.
Cosponsored by Senator SNOWE-MELLO of Androscoggin and
Senators COLLINS of York, COURTNEY of York, FARNHAM of Penobscot, HASTINGS of Oxford, KATZ of Kennebec, MARTIN T of Kennebec, MASON of Androscoggin, PLOWMAN of Penobscot, President RAYE of Washington, THOMAS of Somerset, TRAHAN of Lincoln, WHITTEMORE of Somerset, Representatives AYOTTE of Caswell, BENNETT of Kennebunk, BICKFORD of Auburn, BLACK of Wilton, BURNS DC of Whiting, BURNS DR of Alfred, CELLI of Brewer, CHASE of Wells, CLARK T of Easton, COTTA of China, CRAFTS of Lisbon, CRAY of Palmyra, CURTIS of Madison, CUSHING of Hampden, DAMON of Bangor, DAVIS of Sangerville, DUNPHY of Embden, EDGECOMB of Caribou, ESPLING of New Gloucester, FITTS of Pittsfield, FITZPATRICK of Houlton, FLOOD of Winthrop, FOSSEL of Alna, FOSTER of Augusta, GIFFORD of Lincoln, GILLWAY of Searsport, GUERIN of Glenburn, HAMPER of Oxford, HARMON of Palermo, HARVELL of Farmington, JOHNSON D of Eddington, JOHNSON P of Greenville, KESCHL of Belgrade, KNAPP of Gorham, KNIGHT of Livermore Falls, LIBBY of Waterboro, LONG of Sherman, MAKER of Calais, MALABY of Hancock, MCCLELLAN of Raymond, MCFADDEN of Dennysville, MORISSETTE of Winslow, NASS of Acton, NEWENDYKE of Litchfield, Speaker NUTTING of Oakland, O'CONNOR of Berwick, OLSEN of Phippsburg, PARKER of Veazie, PARRY of Arundel, PICCHIOTTI of Fairfield, PLUMMER of Windham, PRESCOTT of Topsham, RICHARDSON D of Carmel, RICHARDSON W of Warren, RIOUX of Winterport, ROSEN K of Bucksport, SANDERSON of Chelsea, SIROCKI of Scarborough, Soctomah of Passamaquoddy Tribe, STRANG BURGESS of Cumberland, TILTON of Harrington, TIMBERLAKE of Turner, VOLK of Scarborough, WATERHOUSE of Bridgton, WEAVER of York, WILLETTE A of Mapleton, WILLETTE M of Presque Isle, WINSOR of Norway, WOOD of Sabattus.
Let us not forget, the NAACP implied that LePage was a racist! I would have used MUCH more colorful language than LePage did had I been in his shoes. Telling someone to "kiss my butt" is nothing compared to implying someone is a racist!
LOL.. Adam, you said: "where is the proposal to take an equal percentage out of the 401(k) programs of privately insured Mainers?"
The key word here is "privately"......that means "NOT PUBLIC"! You are not funding my private retirement plan, I am. However, I am indeed funding a large part of the Maine State Retirement System.
To keep it simple, My employer funds 4% of my 401k, I fund the rest of it. Public employees fund a small percentage of their retirement and I, again, fund the rest of it! Get the picture?? If you are a public employee, I am already paying MUCH more than you are!
If I have to explain that part to you, then you obviously don't read much of his writings. He rarely tells the conservative side of any story, hence "one sided reporter".
Nooooo Jason, I said he is a left leaning, one sided reporter. YOU chose to chop off the second half of that sentence and attach the first half right to the rest of the comment........typical spin. That may work in person, but when my original words are in writing right above, you will be hard pressed to convince any of these readers that I meant anything different from what I said.............
@ Jan, Great post! There is lots to do in L/A! It's sad that today's society isn't creative enough or simply not open minded enough to see that. One only has to spend the day with a 5 year old to see that as we grow older, we disable our very own creativity by not using it!
Yes, he is a very left leaning, one sided reporter! Last summer when he was writing about the "loud pipes" issue, he solicited responses from the "quiet side" but not the "loud" side. The "loud side" actually offered input and he simply ignored it..........
She's also forgetting that everything her employer is giving her comes out of OUR pockets! She isn't working to finance MY retirement but I am working to finance hers!
Is there something wrong with this quote from the second paragraph? : "First, only public employees would be required to pay a 2 percent increase to the Maine Public Employees Retirement System"
Am I, a private sector worker, supposed to pay into the Maine Public Employees Retirement System?
I do agree that our bottle redemption policy has had a positive impact on Maine's environment, but let's also consider how much technology in the recycling industry has changed during those same 35 years, especially in the last 5 years alone. Many towns have or will be switching to "single stream" recycling because we now have the technology to separate those materials in a more cost effective manner. 35 years ago, we didn't. Hell, even 10 years ago we didn't! Now we can shred entire vehicles at once and separate the materials afterward..........
The only draw back I see to these bills are the many fundraisers that benefit from collecting bottles. People that simply can not afford to donate 5 bux cash usually won't hesitate to give an 8 or 10 dollar bag of bottles to a good cause. We'll just have to keep a jar of pocket change handy to replace those bottle donations.
Talk about SPIN!! That 2% Jarrod, is NOT a tax! You will be paying an additional 2% into your own retirement which you will get back when you retire. Maybe you should actually READ his budget before commenting on it??
If to "watch" you mean utilize the checks and balances we have available, then I agree. If to "watch" you mean "micro manage" then I do not agree. If I had the ability to micro manage him, then I might just as well put my name on the next ballot along with the thousands of others that feel they could do the job. Yes, the governor works for us and needs to be manageable, but we must also allow HIM to manage.
I am curious Jackson, why didn't I see your name on the ballot?
and they will get the true"assistance" they need by making the private job market better. To do that we must make Maine more inviting to good business. Even most conservatives are concerned about the environment but the pendulum in Maine is too far in that direction and it is actually threatening our way of life, not preserving it. There is a middle ground but to get there we need to make some unwelcome cuts. I have to do it at home. My children no longer attend parochial school, not by choice, but because we had to pull our wings in just like our state and federal governments need to do. I am making sacrifices at home as I am sure many of the readers participating in this string are as well. It hurts, but I know it must be done.
You have to have faith in the people you elect. I understand you have no faith in our current Governor but we both know that if your preferred choice for Governor had been elected and did the same thing, there wouldn't be a peep out of you........... Let me refer you to the same 200 years of American history to back that up........
So if this same group of people were not "commissioned" and simply went up to Augusta together, you'd have no problem with them speaking to the Governor behind closed doors??????
Actually, Ms Tara (<--better? Do you not have good memories of your time in office? You find the term "Ms Mayor" an insult?? I assure you I was using it out of respect for a former elected official), That said, my response was clearly about faith, not just politics. It was your very first line where you insulted me for even having faith. You said: -> "Oh how Naive you are, and if you believe in that or have "faith" in it, it is dangerous...." <- do you remember saying that?
Ms. Tara, I know you've worked hard, we all know you've seen your ups and downs like many of us have. My question for you: Where would you be right now if it weren't for YOUR faith? Is it really dangerous to have faith? Really?? I supported Paul LePage with my vote because I share his goals. I will continue to support him because I have faith in him.
With all due respect Ms. Mayor, if we had everything in life written in black and white right in front of us, we would have no need for faith at all! We placed a lot of faith in the last few administrations and look where it got us. I have faith in our Governor. I believe he will do everything he can to improve our state and I do believe we will ALL feel it in one way ore the other. Let me ask you this Ms. Mayor, what happens when your expenses are greater than your revenue (for whatever reason)? I think you know firsthand and I don't want our state going down that road. Take a little pain now, or a lot later! Which is it? If you believe we can keep running this state the way we have been under decades of Democrat control, then you Ms Mayor are the naive one. It is that mentality that got us where we are!
If I went to Augusta myself to meet with the Governor, as a citizen and constituent, I'd be entitled to a private discussion but, in an effort to be efficient, if I brought 20 fellow citizens and constituents with me, we'd have to be supervised because we might be considered a "committee"? Is that what you're telling me Jackson?
From WGME.com: "The Maine Hosptial Association is responding saying, "Had they caught this problem earlier last year, there would have been more time to moderate the cuts to hospitals. Unfortunately that didn't happen and the new administration is attempting to address the situation as best it can."
It is what they actually DO that matters and they DON'T always do what they discuss. Our politicians, whether they be republican or democrat deserve the opportunity to sit with advisers and throw ideas around without the media tweeting and twittering all the details before those details are final......that's what this is about! This is NOT a government committee that will do things behind our back. It is a committee of business people and educators that will have the governors undivided attention in an open discussion and they don't need the interruptions of the media circus! If and when any good ideas come out of it, we will know before anything is final.
At what time is any elected official allowed even a smidge of privacy? Nobody in the group will want to be truly transparent with the governor if they know the whole public is listening in on the discussion and he's not going to be able to act on any suggestions of this group without approval. When the time comes to act, we'll know what was discussed in the group.
If you think about it, maybe LePage is learning from our transparent leader in Washington? You know the guy, what's his name? Made tons of promises of transparency and is yet to deliver on a single one. Maybe, just maybe, politicians simply shouldn't make ANY promises until their second term when they know what the job entails?
There are times when I want my government to be able to discuss things without fear of being listened in on. It isn't what they discuss that hurts or helps us, it's what they DO!
Tron, I stand corrected, there are TWO bills sponsored by two different people from both sides of the fence, BOTH of which are resolutions. Can we duplicate any more efforts?
Well Tron, feel free to find that bill and show us! There is NO bill listed under Sen. Tom Saviello as a sponsor or co-sponsor pertaining to election runoffs as of today. The SJ facebook friends are the ones making this a "republican" issue.
Here is a link to the directory of bills in the state's legislature. Check it every day for any new bills posted. Contact your reps about anything that concerns you. As citizens, this is our responsibility. --> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/
Take my comments any way you like and please feel free to be as extremely offended as you like. Did I say anything about anyone who is actually afflicted with Tourette's or did I make a mockery of Lepage by inventing a whole new disease?
--> You are insinuating that someone with a foul mouth has tourette's syndrome.
While my post was anything but a personal attack on you, yours is certainly one on me with veiled defense of those who truly have Tourette's.
--> How is my comment a personal attack on you? I truly have tourette's syndrome so my defense is very much legitimate.
I refuse to get into a flame war. It accomplishes nothing. While I will refrain from personal attacks, you go right ahead.
--> typical liberal spin. Totally screw up and pass the blame to someone else! Next your gonna say Bush did it!?
Greg, while you are definately entitled to your opinion but I am extremely offended by your "Political Tourette's Syndrome" comment! Not everyone with TS exhibits that behavior, called coprolalia, as a matter of fact, less than 15% of all confirmed cases do! It's a bad stereotype and your use of that term really shows your ignorance!
You said it yourself Mark, the Laffer Curve is just a baseline "theory" but just because it hasn't been proven, doesn't make it not true. It is merely a baseline principle as there are countless variables in economics. I think even most liberals would say that the Clinton administration was an exception to many "rules".
PS: There is much data to support both sides of the helmet issue and as long as the data is a "wash". it should be left up to the riders, not the government.
Yes Brenda, I can answer that question quite simply, here it is, pay attention because there is a very important message in it for ALL Maine's citizens!: The reason car drivers have to wear seat belts and motorcyclists don't have to wear helmets is because WE STAND UP FOR OURSELVES and you don't! It really is that simple!
PS: for what it's worth, the headlight bill probably will not pass because the motorcycle community is standing up for ourselves once again! The reason motorcycles are required to have their headlights on in Maine is so we can stand out amongst the cars and trucks on the road. Once all those cars and truck turn their lights on, we will become invisible once again! The sponsor of this bill has been enlightened on this issue and understands now.
It's funny how this writer is really complaining about cutting teachers benefits but attaches it to the notion that LePage is "cutting education".........nobody wants to see our children suffer (that's why liberals attach everything to "cutting education") but in the end, when the school system doesn't manage it's expenses, the children will suffer just as well.
Spin it Ron! Let's say we make the total chips on the table 1000 so the readers can divide that up!? (you can't take 20% of one chip) You think the one player with 93 chips should pay the 20 chips to the house? Ed is saying make them ALL pay 20% in order to give the house the 20 chips. I have to agree with ED. 20% is 20% whether you make $10,000 or $10,000,000, the guy making 10 million will pay more in cash, but still the same 20% as the lower income. Even my 9 year old can see that is fair!
Thanks for your response Pirate! It amazes me just how much liberals have to say until you call them out..... {{ insert crickets chirping here }}......
There is NO example in your comment Bob. Please give us a specific example of "raping natural resources".........because your comment, as it stands, is merely a repeat of the liberal rhetoric being used every day.........think on your own Bob. Research those comments before you repeat them.
Spoken with a mouthful of grammar errors and spelling mistakes.......and "he" is uneducated?? I hate pointing out mistakes but if you are going to claim that our governor is uneducated, you really should do your best to look educated yourself.
Sadie, you said: "i don't care where he came from or his background," then you follow up with: "thats what happen's when your brought up on the streets like him."....so what you are really saying is that you DO care about where he came from and his background because you just used it against him!
Yes they did, but I am tired of people saying that Mexico just wants "their" land back. It wasn't "theirs" to begin with anymore than it was ours! Therefore, what matters is who's land is it TODAY!?
This whole border war has nothing to do with who's land it is. It has everything to do with the opportunities here in the US. and lack thereof in Mexico. Take away the opportunities here and they won't come.
Speaking of history, aren't the people of Mexico primarily "Spanish"?? Might they be living on stolen land themselves? Didn't they kill, rape, and pillage for that land south of the border?
LePage's ideas are common sense. He had strong support, as Mayor, from liberals in Waterville as well. His support from liberal democrats continues to grow daily. A common sense approach is all it takes to bring the two sides together.........novel idea huh? Who'da thunk it? It's true conservatism at it's best! If only the republican party would stick to those values wholeheartedly, the country would be much better off.
From my perspective Dan, I find you to be very left wing..........not the moderate that you believe you are.
Dan you are further off base than I ever thought you were. For the SJ to be further right than "mainstream" would make the mainstream extreme left! Maine is not as liberal as you might think. If you look at most election results in Maine they are usually only a few points from center in either direction. I would consider Maine a "centrist state". The SJ is surely NOT a right wing paper!
A railroad spike would hurt my rears but it isn't noise! Does a dog barking hurt your ears? A cow mooing? A child giggling? The world has it's noises that we all must live with. If someone were doing something illegal and that illegal activity were making noise I could see your point. But if someone is riding a perfectly legal ATV in a perfectly legal place and you simply don't like hearing them then it sounds like you have a problem. If you are oversensitive to sound, then YOU have the problem. What hurts your ears may not hurt mine. The sound of ATVs hurts yours, the sound of loud classical music hurts mine. The Hakalas didn't like the noise and they did the right thing by approaching their town officials. For Mr. Ford to make the claim that they were probably doing something illegal making them a criminal could easily cross the line into libel on his part.
Sadie, I am willing to bet there is something about you or your activities that your neighbors don't like. What if they were to label you with a stereotype for that? What if they were to push for legislation that would suddenly make you into a criminal because of a hobby you like but they don't? What if your town were to ban backyard swing sets because ONE person didn't like the noise your children make. (and there are people in this world that truly hate children) How would you handle that? How would that make you feel? Put yourself in other's shoes before you make a complaint.
It's funny how Mr. Ford constantly makes these issues into a "law breaking" issue. No where in the original story did it say anything about "illegal exhaust" but as usual, he makes the assumption and tries to convince the public. The Hakalas don't like the noise, but they could be referring to the sound of tires racing up the hard packed dirt road. They could even be sensitive to the sound of stock exhaust! Stop stereotyping people who make noise Mr. Ford! Not everyone that makes noise is an evil law breaker.
Goes to show that just because a law is in place, doesn't mean disrespectful people are going to suddenly respect you. Those that wish to disrespect their neighbors are going to do so no matter what laws are in place and no matter who is out there pushing for new laws.
This whole noise issue isn't about the bikes/atvs or their exhaust. It's about respect for our neighbors and the people around us. Those that disrespect the people around them are costing those of us that do.........
They only have control when they ALL vote the same way and that happens far less then you think. It's funny, with your reputation, that you choose to call me "obstinate".........hear that word often do you?
It was proposed by an individual, not a party, Representative Davis out of Sangerville. Co sponsored by: Senator THOMAS of Somerset and
Representatives CAIN of Orono, CURTIS of Madison, DOW of Waldoboro, FREDETTE of Newport, GIFFORD of Lincoln, GOODE of Bangor, RUSSELL of Portland, WOOD of Sabattus.
Wrong Dan, COMPLETE control would be 100%....remember that from school? Bills are born in the minds of individual citizens or representatives, they are merely ideas being submitted for consideration. They do not become law until they make through he entire process and onto the governor's desk for signature. This one probably will be signed because of all the publicity and the fact that there is no fiscal note attached. (that means it isn't costing us anything other than processing and the representatives time to present it as well as the governors time to sign it) a mere token when you consider the cost of most bills.
It is our civic duty to scan the list of bills being submitted each and every session. If you don't like one, contact your reps. and let them know. It's their responsibility to listen, it's our responsibility to communicate with them. Have you contacted your reps yet Dan? If not, what are you waiting for?
These idiotic proposals usually start with one citizen who will benefit from the passage, then he/she convinces just one representative to sponsor a bill....that's all it takes!....then the governor takes blame for it all the way up to the day he vetos it because people don't understand the process.........
You folks are funny today! You all really ought to do some VERY basic research before pointing fingers. First off, the switchblade bill is to allow folks with only one arm permission to posses a "switchblade" type knife because they do not have use of a second hand, like the rest of us, to open a legal knife. There is nothing frivolous about this bill in my opinion. When you take a moment to actually read it, you will find that it is primarily sponsored by democrats.
Read it here -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/HP0108...
Now, how did we handle these issues "back in the day"? We put on SNOW tires, placed an orange ball on our antenna, and drove with courtesy. Well all came out just fine.
I think Dan is right though, if we ever get a break from these Wednesday snowstorms, crews will be out removing the snowbanks.......
first of all, he didn't tell the president to "go to hell", he said the headlines in the papers would read that way, because you know those headlines are always accurate. It was sarcasm........second, he was in a private meeting with fishermen, all of whom were also speaking in that manner. It was not a "public hearing". He was simply building rapport with the folks he was speaking with. (and he was successful at it) That Mitchel implant probably was not invited.
The NAACP was implying that Paul was a racist, as they usually do when the don't agree with someone. I would have told them to kiss my a**!
always has some nasty comments about people of color???? Are you sure? Do you think when Paul tells his black son that he loves him it is a nasty comment?
Seems democrats are so desperate for "new blood" they want to actually force students to register to vote as a condition of graduating high school! Be sure to let democrat representative Bolduc of Auburn know whether you agree or not!
While I do believe our children should be encouraged to vote, our government should not force them to register!
There is an average of 2500 to 3000 bills submitted each year in Maine. Some big, some small. Thank you for pointing out seven tenths of one percent of them. I bet there will be plenty of frivolous legislation coming from the left as well!
For the most part I agree Joseph, but let's focus the blame right where it belongs! On Obama and Pelosi! This was, yet another of, Obama's promises that they broke!
That's exactly what we needs Mac, for those who believe in him no matter what party, to speak up and support him. He's rough, but if I complain about the way he speaks, it would make me a hypocrite! He was mild, I would have said "Kiss my rosy red A**" if someone had implied I was a racist!
Tron, the man hasn't even been in office a full month yet, but I bet he's done more already then Baldi did in his first year! I am going to applaud you today though Tron, you and George are the only liberals with guts enough to come out and play today. Why is it when conservatives start speaking out, liberals go into hiding?? Don't underestimate the conservative movement in Maine my friend. It is much more powerful than you think. Maine isn't as liberal as many people believe, just look at the individual country results of our last presidential election! Did you not see this coming? Shame on you for not paying attention!
It amazes me that liberals not only seem to think they know what is best for the people, they also seem to think they know what makes us happy.......tsk, tsk, tsk
Relax people is right! The headline makes it sound as if LePage made the comment when he didn't, it was Dan Demeritt! I am also very curious as to why the addresses of the recipients were "whited out".........is the media protecting someone?
$41,000 is not at all what it was 20 years ago! 20 years ago, if I had been making 40k, I would have had money falling out of my pockets. I couldn't survive on 40k today!.......not without making some MAJOR cutbacks, you know, the house, the car, clothes for the kids, etc....
You are a little misguided David, he didn't say "kiss my butt" because he was invited to the breakfast! If you listen to the FULL context, you will see he said it because they were implying that he was a racist! Something the NAACP does quite regularly with public figures.
Sweetfern, as an "experienced store manager" you must also understand that 20 years is a LONG time when you are talking about wages. We ALL made a lot less 20 years ago.........only 10 years ago I was a store manager as well. I made less than 40k but that same job today pays more that 40k. We all have different opinions of our Governor, but let's use some common sense in our discussions ok?
Closing Augusta hurts our economy for days. When Augusta closes, other businesses close too. I personally am affected for two or three days, sometimes up to a week, each and every time a governor closes the offices for one day. Paul isn't "forcing" them to go to work, they have personal days they can use if they don't think they should go to work.....that's what they are for.......welcome to Maine, where it snows in the winter, we can't turn it off!
Is Mark LaFlamme harboring some secret feelings in favor of our new governor? Thank you Mark! Thank you for calling people out and saying it like it is! Thank you for making us accountable, Mainers need that right now! We now have two men in this state that have the brass to do so. He'll grown on you Mark, he really will............
If the subject does come up in class, don't forget to tell the students where Lepage may have gotten the example from. After all, it was our current president that publicly said: "When i find out who did this I'm going to kick their ass!"
While I do wish he'd polish up his language just a smidge and he could have chosen better words in this case. We all have to understand that he didn't say it simply because he didn't like the NAACP. If you actually listen to the full context you will see that he said it because the NAACP was was steering the conversation in a very bad direction and was on the verge of saying Lepage was a bigot and that is far worse than a couple poorly chosen words. Being publicly labeled a "bigot" or anything like it, would be downright insulting to most anyone and is most deserving of a heavy response. On that note, I think Lepage responded mildly.
While I rarely agree with TRON's comments, I have to agree with this one. If the subject comes up in class, have your children write him. If it doesn't come up, don't bring it up.
Tron, you know the SJ is not a Lepage supporter. This is merely a "followup" for the other "followup" where Laflamme only mentioned comments that were against LePage. I am sure they got some unpleasant e-mails about it had to show the other side.....would have been nice if they showed BOTH in the original story.
Tweak it today, tweak it tomorrow, tweak it next year, in five years, again in ten years and before you know it, there is nothing left and our children will not enjoy the rights we have today.........
I don't read this paper much, not because of the comments left by it's readers. Those I actually find amusing. It's the fact that the SJ has, on many occasions, publicly chosen to push the left wing agenda. I simply can not trust any write up from them concerning politics anymore.
What is there to disagree with? I stated that I understand Ben's position and that he has a right to be concerned then I simply asked questions....... ???
It's funny how you've made it a point to bring my identity to everyone's attention on this particular string in hopes to make me nervous but nobody has had the need to do that before, on much more controversial issues. My profile has never changed. It has always listed my real name and town......
Ben, I don't want you to think that I don't understand your position. I do understand and you are rightfully concerned, but how did you get into that "situation" in the first place? Did your employer force you to "sign your life away"? Did you feel you "had" to do it? Did you negotiate your contract? Did you have a lawyer go over that contract? Life is full of choices that we all must make.
Actually "Ben" you obviously do not get as much info from my few words or my profile as you would like everyone to think. I am not an hourly employee, I am a commissioned employee under contract. Had the contract with my company been such that it would hinder my free speech outside of my work, I would not have signed it in the first place and I wouldn't be working for such a company. When you sign a deal with the devil, you lose your identity. It's your choice. If to comment would require me to breach my contract, I would simply not comment and move on.
Yes, I believe it was the pouring rain we got that delayed it but what amazes me is that the family that puts this on does this in the holiday spirit. It costs them a lot, but they charge nothing and people get mad when they drive "for miles" and they are not on. It sounds to me, Peg, that you had a wonderful night out with your family even without the lights and THAT is the blessing here.
Is this Baldacci's last ditch effort to take credit for helping turn state spending around?? The last two months? Really?? What about the last 8 years??
I remember growing up in the 70's when it was normal to wait longer for the plows. When the snowbanks were allowed to pile up higher. How did we deal with it then? We just did! We put snowtires on our cars and trucks. We didn't go out unless we absolutely had to. We didn't sue the landlord for our slip and fall because we chose to go out in loafers, we didn't complain to the city because we chose to go out with summer tires. We were responsible for ourselves. WE HAD ACCOUNTABILITY!
at the end of the day, it's the word of the people and businesses, that have tried to make it here and found too much working against them, that hold water........and they happen to agree with Forbes.
There is a ceiling for every job. Working in one job for 25 years doesn't justify breaking that ceiling. If after 25 years a teacher feels he or she needs to make more money, then it's time for a career change or time to climb that ladder of success! (or they can stop paying the unions!) They do not "do this work for the state" they do it for the children!
Mardens is what it is because they have found a niche market. They buy insurance claims! That's their business! That's what it's always been! If you want a fancy clean store, go to Walmart! If Mardens isn't in your taste, then stop going there! It's that simple!
You obviously haven't paid attention because he DID calmly explain the week before the "incident" but the media isn't showing you that. He had been hounded for a week about it and was sick and tired of explaining over and over. The "incident" took place at a press conference that was already decided was going to be about the issues our state faces. The reporter that asked the question was out of line and had ill intentions no doubt!
I like the way they say it was "allowed", like Florida decided to give it to them! The law wasn't broken in the first place, it never was. I am quite sure I remember someone telling us that too! Who was it? .....Oh yeah, Paul himself told us this! Imagine that, he tells the truth and gets dragged through the mud for it......... typical democrat election tactics. Let's lie about him and hope nobody finds out the truth until after the election! Your tactics backfired again democrats! You can't use lies to discredit a man that tells the truth!
AUGUSTA – The homestead tax exemption claimed by Ann LePage for a property in Florida has been deemed legal, according to a letter from the Volusia County property tax appraiser released Monday.
Ann LePage is the wife of Republican gubernatorial candidate Paul LePage, mayor of Waterville.
A preliminary investigation by Morgan Gilreath, property tax appraiser for Volusia County, deemed that Ann LePage had been improperly granted the Florida property tax break in 2009, because she was already receiving a similar exemption in Maine. The tax breaks in both states are typically only granted to homeowners claiming the property as their primary residence.
But, as reported previously by MaineToday Media, Florida law has an exemption for homeowners receiving the credit in another state if the Florida residence is ‘the permanent residence of another legally or naturally dependent upon the owner."
Gilreath had initially said in a letter to Ann LePage in September that there was no allegation on her Florida homestead application that this situation existed, so he called it a “moot point.”
Further investigation by Gilreath proved otherwise.
IRS forms from 2008 and 2009 that were provided to Gilreath by the LePages showed Ann LePage’s mother, Rita De Rosby, as a dependent.
When the issue of dual homestead exemptions was first brought up to Paul LePage, he cited his family’s role in caretaking of Ann LePage’s mother as the reason for the Florida house.
“My wife goes and cares for her and she comes back in the spring,” Paul LePage had said at the time. “It’s all about my mother-in-law’s health.”
In his most recent letter to Ann LePage, Gilreath called the situation “unusual.”
“This issue has only arisen one other time that anyone here can recall,” he wrote.
Going to war doesn't give you the right to crap on everyone around you! Soldiers like you give the rest a bad name! We are in this situation because of democrat rule! Plain and simple. I work very hard to support my family and I DON'T vote democrat, I have every right to complain!
There are plenty of Mainers that work very hard so they can enjoy the retirement that Maine has given you but we may never get there because the taxes you pay now, we've been paying ALL OUR LIVES! I find your comments about us disrespectful and as far as I am concerned, you can remove that "vacationland" plate and GO HOME!
Veritas, it is OUR success that will support YOUR vacationland! You can still enjoy your retirement as we hope to be able to as well. When I get to retirement age, I don't want to have to take handouts from the state because that WILL affect your vacationland negatively!
Maine has been in the bottom 10 on that list for years and never complained before. Was the 49th slot not worthy of defense? We've had PLENTY of warning! It was only a matter of time before we were handed the 50th slot! How about if those "experts" in Augusta drive around and speak with the people of Maine for some input on this report?? I consider myself somewhat "successful" but even I am taking heat from out of state corporate (New Jersey) for not being "successful enough". I see the numbers in my business and if I rated my opportunities on a curve, I come in last too! We have the uncanny ability to weather the storm, but we just never hit the highs we could if we simply allowed ourselves to do so. Maine does NOT need another Democrat in the Blaine house!
Imagine that! Democrats with blinders on!?? Maine has been in the bottom 10 on that list for years and never complained before. We've had PLENTY of warning! It was only a matter of time before we were handed the 50th slot! How about if those "experts" in Augusta drive around and speak with the people of Maine for some input on this report?? I consider myself somewhat "successful" but even I am taking heat from out of state corporate (New Jersey) for not being "successful enough". I see the numbers in my business and if I rated my opportunities on a curve, I come in last too!
I understand your point, but people are leaving faster than they are coming in and in all honesty, I don't want to depend on your money, I want to make my own so I can retire JUST LIKE YOU! This state can not survive on retirees alone. There is no excuse for our government to abandon the people that built this state by making it tough for us to be successful here. Manufacturers do NOT want to come here and many have left. Sooner or later, it WILL affect even the retirees that now make this home.
Congratulations to Gov John Baldacci and 36 year incumbent and Gov wannabee, Libby Mitchell, for putting Maine at NUMBER 50 - DEAD LAST - on Forbes list of the best states for business and careers. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION YET ???? (I had to mention that being at 50 was dead last for those Dems who think there are 57 states.)
The 6 vital categories they judged were COSTS, LABOR SUPPLY, REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, CURRENT ECONOMIC CLIMATE, GROWTH PROSPECTS, AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
Quality of life we came in at 16. Utah was Number 1. They are ranked 18 on quality of life. You can have a good business climate AND have good quality of life. They are not mutually exclusive!!!
When businesses decide to grow and expand, Maine rarely, if ever, even makes their short list. Hence, fewer and fewer good jobs, and our children continue to leave the state for work.
Maine is the "oldest" state in the U.S...... having the highest median age of any other state. Vermont is #2 and is politically structured similarly to Maine. Florida is #5. The 6 New England states are ALL in the top 11.
Here in Maine, if you promote a better business climate, then you are an advocate for dirty air and water. When I see other states, who rely on their wonderful outdoor environment for tourism having tremendous success in attracting and keeping businesses, it becomes so obvious that Maine is on the wrong path
"Levesque took it all in stride: "Obviously, I'm not a great driver," he told the Sun Journal. "That's not what this race is about."
Of course it's not. But still ..."
I really hate that expression, "but still...." It really shows that the person using it has NO IDEA how to defend their position! Levesque made a very legitimate comment about the reference to his driving record and the writer strengthened it by saying 'Of course it's not." then follows with "But still...." Ok Mr Editor, but still what??? We are waiting! But still what??????? Let me help you, "But still......we are a liberal paper and simply will not leave a comment in favor of the conservative untouched in some negative way!"
Congratulations to Gov John Baldacci and 36 year incumbent Gov wannabee, Libby Mitchell, for putting Maine at NUMBER 50 - DEAD LAST - on Forbes list of the best states for business and careers. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION YET ???? (I had to mention that being at 50 was dead last for those Dems who think there are 57 states.)
Congratulations to Gov John Baldacci and 36 year incumbent and Gov wannabee, Libby Mitchell, for putting Maine at NUMBER 50 - DEAD LAST - on Forbes list of the best states for business and careers. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION YET ???? (I had to mention that being at 50 was dead last for those Dems who think there are 57 states.)
unfortunately TRON has a history of making comments based on the "grapevine" instead of seeing the evidence with his own eyes so he is rarely believable. Remember the story about the boy that cried wolf? Antedeluvian, my suggestion to you is go as far to the left or right as you can because if you get too close to the middle you'll just get more of his crap!
let's not forget, he owns a successful business that is controlled by the insurance industry and a seat in the Blaine house will give him power over the insurance companies.......conflict of interest??
Go to 1:00 into this video and watch and listen to what Libby Mitchell says about schools in Waterville. She says they are the best. The teachers union endorsed Mitchell and they are trying to scare you by lying about Paul LePage.
With Paul LePage elected as Mayor, now in his 3rd term, in a city where Democrats outnumber Republicans 11 to 1 (that means Democrats elected him to 3 terms and this was before the 'Tea Party') LePage spent MORE on education.
"I am a college student who supports Eliot Cutler." so you don't have much real life experience......Cutler has been sending jobs to China probably since before you were born.
What I have seen is that most of the people that are complaining about loud motorcycles keep referring to the harley. Fact is, V-Twin engines (two cylinders) run louder than a four cylinder engines and all harleys happen to be v-twins. Many of the aisian bikes on the market now have followed suit, producing big v-twins. Why?? Most of you wouldn't recognize a harley from a honda shadow or a yamaha v-star any day of the week, but you all blame the harley! Many times I have heard people refer to a Harley on the road only to have to tell them that it was a Kawasaki or a victory.........the Harley just happens to be the most popular v-twin out there.
Drivers distracted by loud stereos?? How did loud stereos back then distract them any more than a "normal" volume stereo?? Did they have to crank a handle to make it play louder??
it isn't a simple two sample test. Define for me, quiet rider and loud rider?? There are many different levels of "loud". What is loud to you may not be to me, so to make this a simple two sample test there must be a clear agreed upon line between quiet and loud and all bikes within each group must be at the same level of sound (to make it simple). Since the chance of each group being identical within itself is slim to none, this is no longer a simple two sample test. Where would you even get the data to determine if the bikes in the accident were loud or quiet? Nobody ever asks, "were his pipes loud or quiet before the crash?" Now we can use, let's say a 2000 Harley Sportster with an 80 pound woman and the same bike with a 300 pound man and it WILL sound different under load. The 80 lb woman may have a more quiet ride then the 300 lb man on the same bike creating yet even more variables within each group. The bike could be considered under the "quiet rider" group with her on it, but under the "loud rider" group with him.
To determine if loud pipes, bright colors, or helmets save lives, we must be able to also count the lives saved by them and since nobody counts them, the data simply does not exist. Again, we are not saying "quiet pipes kill", we are saying loud pipes increase our chances by making us "audibly visible" much like every other industry is allowed to do. If sound wasn't considered a "safety mechanism" then we wouldn't have sirens, back up alarms, fog horns, car horns etc.....
Now, that said, I will agree that there is a line between "acceptable sound" and "unacceptable noise" and the argument is: Where do we draw that line?? MECALM wants motorcycles snuffed out completely because their key members simply don't like bikers and they have demonstrated that countless times. By pushing for a "total clamp down" via a discriminatory EPA label law they have, in a sense, ASKED the biking community to push back........
understand statistics.......your method of figuring the stats on this would REQUIRE ALL "near misses" to be identical.......and there are just too many variables affecting this for that to happen. Way too many, hence the term "aggregate statistics" which is VERY CLEARLY used in the article. Thank you for strengthening my position on this by using more aggregate stats!
Andy, you said: "This link to an opinion piece certainly proves that loud colors work much better than loud pipes to improve motorcycle safety and also cost much less than illegally loud pipes."
Please tell me, is it an "opinion" or "proof"......you contradict yourself in this statement.
The fact is, nobody knows for sure if loud pipes, bright colors, or even helmets save lives because NOBODY keeps track of "lives saved"....there is no way to. The data just doesn't exist! Not for you and not for us......
@ Johnny, there will always be some that are too loud to some people, no matter what laws are put in place. Those that are obnoxiously loud now will continue to be obnoxious in other ways after wards....... do we keep chasing them with new laws or do we simply, actually, enforce the ones we have?? Some might even, at times, find your public conversations annoying....it all subjective.
@ Johnny, the problem now is that because your attention has been focused so much on motorcycles that you are now actively looking and listening to each and every bike that goes by and even the stock bikes are being shunned. The media now has control YOUR mind.....is that really where you want to be??
Auburn and Lewiston PD are NOT taking advantage of a "new law", they are simply doing their job due to the media coverage this year. They could ALWAYS do their job if they had wanted to since most of the loud bikes would have failed our inspection laws anyway! The law is NOT NEW, simply reworded to close a loophole that was being abused by a few. The loud pipes being cited have always been illegal. After decades of no enforcement some bikers chose to take advantage of that and each year it got worse. Heck, it's been so long since this has been enforced that some had never even heard the old version of the law, let alone the new version....... so do we blame the motorcycle community entirely?? Most of the motorcycle community agrees that something needs to be done but we are all being shunned because of the acts of a few............the media coverage as well as some noise-activist groups have instilled unreasonable fear in the non riding community and now even I am getting dirty looks when I start my STOCK V-Twin..........the pendulum is swinging too far the other way and that will only cause the "loud bikers" to get louder.
You have to remember, those that disrespect the community by riding obnoxiously loud will always disrespect the community no matter what. Loud pipes now, something else next.....
Loud pipes save lives: I know you've read many other arguments on the issue of "loud pipes save lives".
I wanted to present a new argument on the standpoint that our society only counts fatalities, and not survivals.
The problem with the "loud pipes save lives" claim is that there's no way to measure it as being true or not. As long as riders continue to go on living, we'll never know if it was their loud pipes that saved them from accidents.
On the other hand, we can count biker deaths. But what good are biker deaths when we're trying to figure out if loud pipes save lives?
If you ride a motorcycle, I'm sure you tend to get a little anxious about being in someone's blind spot. I always accelerate or drop out of it. The fact is that I don't know if my pipes have ever saved my life. But I do have loud pipes, and yes I've been in several near misses. The fact that I'm still alive just might be attributed to those pipes.
We'll never know for sure if loud pipes save lives because government doesn't count accidents that almost happened. But ask any motorcycle rider who is still alive, and he or she will tell you about the near misses they were involved in.
The irony, however, is that many people who protest against loud pipes are often the same people that support helmet laws. They claim that helmets save lives, but how do we know that if we only count the fatalities?
The truth is that we don't have statistics on how many times a helmet saved a life. We only know how many bikers died. Instead we analyze the consequences of repealing helmet laws by comparing the before-and-after fatality rates. If we see a 0.25% or higher reduction in fatalities, we pat ourselves on the back for making progress.
So can't we also suggest that loud pipes don't always save lives, but they will increase your chances? What if a state decided to aggressively enforce its noise abatement laws and forced every motorcycle owner to reinstall their stock exhaust? Will motorcycle deaths increase?
And if they did increase, will the State apologize and reverse its decision on loud pipes? Should we experiment with the lives of motorcyclists and see if more of them die?
If we defend helmet laws with aggregate statistics, then it stands to reason that the same can be done with loud pipes. Except, we don't have such statistics.
nobody was pointing fault, what was said was that he drove his bike into the drivers door.........whether it was her fault or not, the point was that her car didn't hit him, his bike hit her car.....as far as speed was concerned, there are mixed stories on that one.
and of course Tron, you also meant to let us all know that the biker was a kid on a crotch rocket speeding on Lisbon St and struck the lady right in the drivers seat! She didn't hit him, he drove that bike right into her lap!
I get your point, you just don't get mine.....maybe YOUR bike will never be offroad, but some are. When they say "offroad" they are referring to racing, not running through the woods!! If your pipes are labeled, then you ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! YOU Scott, are why we are in this fight today!
Jabba, the idea behind LPSL is that drivers know where we are at all times because they can hear us and allow them to AVOID a close call in the first place.....imagine the complaints we'd get if we were driving around town with our fingers on the horn all day. Here's an idea, we install cell phone blockers on all our bikes so you'll all have your calls dropped when we are around and then you'll have to put your phone down and pay attention.
Drivers watch for cars because hitting one could kill them! Hitting a bike only kills the biker......the driver goes home to his family. The bikers family picks him up at the morgue......what's left anyways.
The off road exhaust is for racing only. That's why they can sell them and you can buy them......PS: Take a good look at your Pythons, depending on which ones they are, they may be labled too.
like you jojones that keep stereotypes going. I think you'd be very surprised at how many doctors, dentists, lawyers and teachers ride a bike AND wear the black leather.....without a helmet....you wouldn't know the difference! I bet you know more bikers than you think! You are describing a very low percentage of bikers with your insulting discriminatory description! Just because you've seen troublemakers riding a bike, doesn't make all bikers troublemakers. I've seen troublemakers driving Volvos too!
People who install pipes that clearly say "for off road use only" or "not for highway use" or fail our very clear inspection laws, SHOULD get a ticket........I am going to explain this in as clear a way as I think you can handle. There is a group of people that hate loud motorcycles and there is a group of people that respect nobody and run extremely loud open core exhaust, but there is a MUCH MUCH larger group of people stuck in the middle of it all. They do run aftermarket exhaust but do NOT cause trouble. It is NOT illegal to run aftermarket exhaust on a motorcycle!
I knew it was only a matter of time before one of the regulars posted here! How's Mr. Sprung doing today? You see, Mr. Sprung is one of those guys that has purchased a home in the middle of a city near a major airport and now wants that city to shut up so he can enjoy his peace. He has chosen bikers as his target because...well...let's face it, how can he get public support to fight the rich airport or the local emergency sirens that the ENTIRE public benefits from?
While I will admit that there are a lot of groups against loud pipes, I will also let everyone know to take that statement with a grain of salt as those groups consist of the same members over and over again......they post to these blogs using different names over and over again as well to give you all the impression that they are a big force not to be messed with and the links between them and NOISEOFF are clear. I doesn't take but a few days of monitoring the blogs to learn that. PS: For what it's worth, the facebook page for Citizens Against Maine Revised Exhaust Law (CAMREL) has many more members than ALL the "CALM" sites COMBINED! and they are counting their members only once each.
The EPA label law on the federal books was meant for manufacturers and dealers only, not the end user. Much like the tag on your mattress! We do not have enforcement of that EPA label law against consumers because it would be like having the "mattress police" enforcing that law too. Motorcycles are the only vehicles on the road that come from the manufacturer with an EPA label, making the EPA label law they want to pass all over the country, very discriminatory and some members of congress are starting to recognize that.
While the figure of 42% of bikes in Maine being un-inspected is true, his reason is simply an assumption as he has no connections to the motorcycling community to believe other wise. His remark that bikers think they are above the law because of this 42% figure is also an assumption. We all know that if cars and truck were not required to display an inspection sticker, there would be a much higher percentage of them uninspected as well and many of those would indeed be VERY dangerous to have on the road.
Let's all keep in mind, Maine has a "absolute speed law"......that means that if the speed limit is 50mph and you are doing 53mph, you are breaking the law.....does that mean you believe that you are above the law because you have chosen to speed?? I have failed once or twice to get my bike inspected but not because the bike was illegal. In 2012 we will be required to display our inspection stickers, lets take notes today and see what kind of "evidence" Mr. Sprung has for us in 2012
@scott, the pipes you speak of are indeed LEGAL, just not legal for use on public roads and are labeled as such. Don't simply believe what you read on the anti noise forums! Do your own research........selling or using open core exhaust is not illegal, it's how you use them that makes them illegal. You don't blame gun manufacturers when someone gets shot!....or do you???
Some say that sound doesn't mean safety, yet Toyota recently announced that it's new Prius will begin making a artificial sound when running on electric so people will hear them coming, for safety........we install back up alarms on trucks, for safety......on the ocean, in certain instances, boats are required by the coast guard (a government organization) to blow their horn when visibility lacks, for safety......emergency vehicles use sirens, for safety (which by the way, is another area of attack for NOISEOFF) so why can't "louder than stock" exhaust be used for safety??
@fixit001, it isn't the cops doing this, it is the anti noise activists that are forcing the cops to clamp down on us. They sit home all day and blog all the newspapers whenever they see an article written about loud pipes in an effort to build public support for them and against us. I expect to see their regulars on here today........
There is nothing to agree or disagree about in my last post titled "More on the proponents of LPSL....." as that is a FACT based response..........do your research before coming to any conclusion. Here are links to both sides of the issue.
Visit the CAMREL face book page here --> http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?gid=133026663387511&ref=ts
Visit the MECALM face book page here --> http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/mecalm?ref=ts
I encourage the SJ readers to explore BOTH sides of the issue irregardless of where you think you stand now......the group pushing for a complete silencing of motorcycles goes beyond MECALM alone. The national organization, NOISEOFF, is behind MECALM and they are also going after your leaf blowers, car alarms, lawn mowers etc. So before you speak too loudly about loud motorcycles, remember, NOISEOFF could very well affect YOU next......if you are in the lawn care business, this is your battle too! If you own an automotive repairs shop, this is your battle too! If you own a daycare, this is your battle too! Most of the motorcycle community do indeed agree that there needs to be some enforcement, but NOISEOFF wants to silence us for good, they want more restrictions on us then anything else and they are coming after YOU next!
Loud pipes save lives: I know you've read many other arguments on the issue of "loud pipes save lives".
I wanted to present a new argument on the standpoint that our society only counts fatalities, and not survivals.
The problem with the "loud pipes save lives" claim is that there's no way to measure it as being true or not. As long as riders continue to go on living, we'll never know if it was their loud pipes that saved them from accidents.
On the other hand, we can count biker deaths. But what good are biker deaths when we're trying to figure out if loud pipes save lives?
If you ride a motorcycle, I'm sure you tend to get a little anxious about being in someone's blind spot. I always accelerate or drop out of it. The fact is that I don't know if my pipes have ever saved my life. But I do have loud pipes, and yes I've been in several near misses. The fact that I'm still alive just might be attributed to those pipes.
We'll never know for sure if loud pipes save lives because government doesn't count accidents that almost happened. But ask any motorcycle rider who is still alive, and he or she will tell you about the near misses they were involved in.
The irony, however, is that many people who protest against loud pipes are often the same people that support helmet laws. They claim that helmets save lives, but how do we know that if we only count the fatalities?
The truth is that we don't have statistics on how many times a helmet saved a life. We only know how many bikers died. Instead we analyze the consequences of repealing helmet laws by comparing the before-and-after fatality rates. If we see a 0.25% or higher reduction in fatalities, we pat ourselves on the back for making progress.
So can't we also suggest that loud pipes don't always save lives, but they will increase your chances? What if a state decided to aggressively enforce its noise abatement laws and forced every motorcycle owner to reinstall their stock exhaust? Will motorcycle deaths increase?
And if they did increase, will the State apologize and reverse its decision on loud pipes? Should we experiment with the lives of motorcyclists and see if more of them die?
If we defend helmet laws with aggregate statistics, then it stands to reason that the same can be done with loud pipes. Except, we don't have such statistics.
Mr Widestance Democrat, obviously you are NOT a republican as you would like us to believe. No self respecting Republican would support Mitchell. I have seen many of your posts and I'll tell you, YOUR mouth is far worse than Paul's, hands down!!
Your "quote" of lepage is out of context! He was using that example to show how our welfare system is BROKEN! His employee would have lost more than a competitive wage would have given and that's a broken system! His employee could have lost ALL assistance had he given even a small raise. That's why he wants to utilize a tiered system, so as an employees income gradually increases, the assistance will GRADUALLY decrease, not completely stop all of a sudden!
@ Gary52, that side of the equation actually jumped right out at me while reading the SJ editorial........it's a no-brainer!
@XYZ, be carefull what you call him out on! An MBA is a verifiable document!! Instead of calling him a liar, why don't you do your civic duty and verify it??
His words sound great, but they all do. Tell me why Eliot Cutler has been so involved in business in China where he has had a vested interest?? Maine has lost enough jobs to China, we can't afford to lose any more! Eliot Cutler is a direct link to China!! The most basic research will verify this.
You said it yourself......increase the average salary of Mainers and we will require less federal monies. How do you do that?? Well, you start by bringing good jobs to Maine!! If the state puts US in a better financial position, the result will be less federal funds needed. Why did you miss that side of the equation in your response?? Is it because you didn't expect your readers to catch it? Believe me, they will!!
“We all have to find new and better ways for doing things,” and she added, “you can’t do this without assistance from the federal government.” WTH?? You can do anything without assistance if you put your mind to it and your heart into it!!
I just watched it a dozen times and agree, it's not for sesame street......I'd admit though, if i were an 8 year old boy, it would encourage me to watch!
Maybe having the public attend those meetings, and take part, might help the committee prioritize the use of it's limited funds?? Maybe the committee should ask for the public's help through volunteers? Maybe the community should volunteer without being asked to do so????
Just as expected in any campaign, the competition doesn't want another casino in this state at all, so this is just as bad for Lewiston as it is for Oxford, but I am sure Blackbear is ready for the fight as they already have a lot more support than last time. A casino in Oxford will help ALL SURROUNDING counties (including Androscoggin where Lewiston is) The last time most of the opposition came from downeast Maine.......what do you know, Bangor is the metro area for downeast Maine isn't it?! Downtown Lewiston is NOT the place for a casino. That is the "gate" to our city. It they proposed one in the outskirts of Lewiston, I'd probably support it.
MECALM is a very discriminatory group. They are painting bikers to be thugs and criminals when many of them are doctors, lawyers, and teachers. I bet some of them are even teaching YOUR children.
Andy Ford, I think is the only one at MECALM that is actually from Maine, the rest are out of staters wanting us all to shut up so their state will follow suit.......there is more to this movement then just the loud pipes debate! They have stated that they will keep going all the way. That street rod you own, the weedwacker, the lawn mower, your ATV, and they will not stop until they have gone through all 50 states. Did you know that some parts of California already have noise ordinances against leaf blowers? There is a group in New York trying to ban car alarms!? In a city where auto thefts are a daily occurrence!! Most of us that run loud pipes agree that there is a limit. It is only the select few that take it too far. We will all pay for this one way or another, at one point or another. It will affect all of us soon.
Keep in mind, I am not advocating drag pipes or extremely loud pipes, just the ability to keep my bike a little louder than stock. The revisions don't allow for ANY change at all on bikes, but they allow for some on cars and trucks. That's not fair, that IS discriminatory. Cars are aloud up to 95db, bikes can not be any louder than stock and it's the officers discretion to determine if it is. It would be my responsibility to prove it's not in court. Guilty until proven innocent for bikers......murderers and child molesters are innocent until proven guilty! The way it should be!
@Brain..... comments like yours are exactly why this debate has become so heated. This is exactly the type of stuff MECALM is saying, and they think they are professional in doing so. There is some common sense in the term "loud pipes save lives" but there isn't any at all in your comment. There can not be any data to back up our theory because the state and local governments don't keep track of "near misses"....why would they? They only keep track of injuries and deaths and then, the only concern is weather or not the rider had a helmet on. Not weather or not he had loud or quiet exhaust. You have to be a rider with a near miss or two under your belt to fully understand.
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Here are the inflation-adjusted average prices for a gallon of leaded regular from 1949-1975:
1949 - $1.85
1950 - $1.83
1951 - $1.73
1952 - $1.72
1953 - $1.78
1954 - $1.78
1955 - $1.75
1956 - $1.74
1957 - $1.75
1958 - $1.68
1959 - $1.66
1960 - $1.67
1961 - $1.64
1962 - $1.61
1963 - $1.58
1964 - $1.55
1965 - $1.57
1966 - $1.57
1967 - $1.57
1968 - $1.53
1969 - $1.51
1970 - $1.47
1971 - $1.43
1972 - $1.36
1973 - $1.38
1974 - $1.74
1975 - $1.69
It's interesting to note that spike in gas prices from 1973 to 1974 - this came as a result of the 1973 oil crisis, which resulted from the members of OAPEC enacting an oil embargo in response to "the US decision to re-supply the Israeli military" during the Yom Kippur war. The embargo lasted from October 1973 to March 1974, and resulted in dramatically higher oil and gas prices.
There was another energy crisis in 1979 when the Shah of Iran fled his country, throwing the Iranian oil sector into disarray. Things went from bad to worse after the Iraqi invasion of Iran in 1980, and the price of oil spiked as a result.
Let's look at average unleaded regular prices (in chained 2005 dollars) from 1976 through to 1983 as the United States dealt with yet another oil crisis:
1976 - $1.73
1977 - $1.74
1978 - $1.66
1979 - $2.06
1980 - $2.61
1981 - $2.64
1982 - $2.34
1983 - $2.15
The United States saw a noticeable uptick in the price of gas from 1976-1983, thanks to the situation in Iran.
Now let's look at gas prices from 1984-1992. This period of time includes the Gulf War and the recession that followed shortly after:
1984 - $2.03
1985 - $1.95
1986 - $1.47
1987 - $1.46
1988 - $1.41
1989 - $1.47
1990 - $1.61
1991 - $1.53
1992 - $1.47
The only really interesting piece of data here is the large drop of the price of gasoline in 1986. This came as a result of reduced demand and overproduction, which resulted in the short-term loss of OPEC unity.
Now let's look at 1993-2000, when the United States was in the midst of an incredible economic boom:
1993 - $1.42
1994 - $1.39
1995 - $1.41
1996 - $1.48
1997 - $1.46
1998 - $1.24
1999 - $1.34
2000 - $1.70
Gas prices remained relatively stable from 1993-1999 before enduring a sizable uptick in 2000 as the phenomenal run in US tech stocks started to come undone.
Now let's look at 2001-2009. This time period featured 9/11, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the rise of the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China) and a near global economic meltdown:
2001 - $1.61
2002 - $1.47
2003 - $1.69
2004 - $1.94
2005 - $2.30
2006 - $2.51
2007 - $2.64
2008 - $3.01
2009 - $2.14
The big story during this period of time was the continued rise of countries such as China and India, which has resulted in an increased demand for oil, gas and other commodities.
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No lie Jason, I said: "Super
No lie Jason, I said: "Super Pacs aren't just a "republican" tactic.....", I did not say anything about the percentage of funds raised. Don't get me wrong, I don't like super pacs because they make my voice smaller and special interest voices much louder. However, Obama and Romney have been "fund raising" since the 2008 elections....they SHOULD have a lot of money! There is no reason for anyone to drop out. We have a process and it is working.....and working well. I think after this election, we're going to see a lot of open caucus states go to closed primaries because of the democrats playing their games.
He probably thinks, since
He probably thinks, since he's lied about everything else, one more lie won't be noticed.....
Super Pacs aren't just a
Super Pacs aren't just a "republican" tactic......-> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/obama-super-pac-targeting-minor...
If Charlie Webster really
If Charlie Webster really cared about integrity, we'd have a "primary" instead of a "caucus"........
Geesh, I've been gone so
Geesh, I've been gone so long, I missed being able to congratulate you on your 10 thousandth "disagree" Dan......congratulations! Your 2.6:1 disagree ration is impressive!
I remember LePage talking
I remember LePage talking about fraud AND over enrollment since day 1, even during his campaign. Where were you Mr. Carey?
There is no "bias" in the
There is no "bias" in the truth......
What happened to American's
What happened to American's desire to be involved in their community. When the desire exists, the methods to make it happen will exist also.
-->
--> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/michelle-obama-listed-daughters-...
Gee, I actually agree with
Gee, I actually agree with part of this Dan, except where you blame the right. I will add, it isn't those two states that decide, it isn't any one party that decides. It is the media leading people to believe that those two states decide, but that is getting more difficult to sell with each election. The media plays a big role in changing public perception on the candidates it the way they choose. Ignore the media and listen to the candidates so "we the people" can decide on our own.
Yeah, it's a shame to
Yeah, it's a shame to disenfranchise the voters in this video -> http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/11/video-nh-poll-workers-shown-handing-ou...
Because Democrats use voter
Because Democrats use voter fraud to their advantage so they have no interest in stopping it, therefore they ignore it.
It's all right there for all
It's all right there for all to see.......
what's the spin?????
what's the spin?????
You're grasping straws now
You're grasping straws now Dan...if that were the case then the poll worker committed multiple cases of fraud. Touching a ballot wouldn't be illegal, the act of voting would be. Did your dad not spank you enough when you were a kid?
Allow me to remind you of
Allow me to remind you of what you said in your original post that started this conversation: "Well this voter wants to know how they are going to get this economy going and how they are going to create jobs and what they are going to do for the elderly, veterans, and children and what they are going to do for education of the next generations."
I simply supplied you with the sources of info you requested.......if you don't wish to take a moment to read them, well then I guess you wasted your time asking the question.
It doesn't take hours
It doesn't take hours Tina.......and I am sorry you don't feel the primaries and caucuses are important enough. That's your opinion, just don't complain about the candidate that is chosen since you have decided not to voice your opinion as to which one we should have on the ticket. As I said, ignore the media and simply read their plans. The media is where all the petty bickering is spotlighted. There is only 6 plans to read. If you wait till next week there may be only 4 but don't wait till we have decided for you.
http://www.newt.org/
http://www.mittromney.com
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
http://www.ricksantorum.com/
http://jon2012.com/welcome/home.html
http://www.rickperry.org/
OBAMA's wife Dan!
OBAMA's wife Dan!
again.....the ballots were
again.....the ballots were handed to them and they gave them back. Putting their hands on them does not constitute receipt. This was to prove they were able to obtain a ballot without an ID and they were successful, just admit it Dan.
The document was offered to
The document was offered to them and they did not accept it Dan........
There goes Dan shoving words
There goes Dan shoving words in our mouths! It isn't the parlors, it is the TAX on tanning parlors. That amounts to a tax only on "fair skinned" people.
and don't forget: Stripping
and don't forget:
Stripping states rights (tenth ammendment)
Forcing Americans to buy a product or service (Obamacare)
constant attempt to violate our second amendment
Jim I hadn't thought of the tanning tax that way...makes sense. I doubt his wife goes to a tanning parlor.
When you said: "So you set up
When you said: "So you set up a 'Scam'", it would have been a "scam" had they voted. They did not vote.
Ron, Ron, Ron, you didn't
Ron, Ron, Ron, you didn't watch the video very carefully! Watch again and you'll notice not once did any of them vote. They gave the ballot back and said they wanted to go get their ID before they vote......
Perhaps, Tina, you should
Perhaps, Tina, you should ignore the childish crap the news channels (FOX especially) are perpetuating, open your mind and THOROUGHLY read Newt Gingrich's 21st Century Contract With America. -> http://www.newt.org/solutions/jobs-economy
He has had this plan since day one, but the media is only concerned with perpetuating any and all negativity that will ALWAYS show up in any election.......weed through the crap and research each candidate's plan on your own.
Do you mean, the unemployment
Do you mean, the unemployment rate that dropped in December? Probably because of the usual "holiday hiring" we have EVERY year? Today's news confirms it, you spoke too soon on this one! --> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/12/unemployment-claims-spike-aft...
Read the news before commenting on it....
If Obama were less "anti America", we wouldn't be so hell bent on firing him but since he is destroying everything America stands for, it is ALL of our responsibilities to fire him.
ah yes.....kinda like when we
ah yes.....kinda like when we insisted voter ID should be required? I thought of you when I saw this -> http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/11/video-nh-poll-workers-shown-handing-ou...
notice the name of the project? Ironic huh?
"But this is the first time
"But this is the first time that I can remember that the biggest issue concerning primary voters was getting the current president out. Not creating job, improving the economy or anything like that. Just getting the current president out."
This is the first time I can remember a president who's primary issue was forcing Americans to become so entitled by destroying jobs and destroying our economy. So yes, the quickest and easiest way to jobs and economic recovery is to remove the cyst that is causing the failures in the first place!
we have a democratic fed that
we have a democratic fed that is hell bent on taking control back away from republicans and away from US and you expect their word to be accurate? Come on, I know you're smarter than that Jason.
and they are in their
and they are in their "prime"........
Yep......watching Dan get
Yep......watching Dan get spanked by Ron is just like winning the lottery!
Wow! Dan has distanced
Wow! Dan has distanced himself from another liberal!? Dan has trouble with questions Ron. He will not answer one that he feels will incriminate him.........he has not mastered the art of the "spin" yet.
Unfortunately Paul, you can
Unfortunately Paul, you can not force conservative values into a liberal. It's the "round peg, square hole" thing......
Old story, intentionally
Old story, intentionally republished by the LSJ to start an argument. Liberal comments below prove that's all these guys want......
I agree Mike, 100%! It all
I agree Mike, 100%! It all starts at home with us! We are accountable for raising our children in a responsible manner, then our children become accountable for using what we taught them correctly. We can only hope we give them ALL the information and tools they need to live a long and happy life but it is our very own mistakes we made growing up that allow us to learn what our children will need to know as they grow.......
There you go putting words in
There you go putting words in my mouth again Dan, they will file charges when there is sufficient evidence to do so...........
Maybe, Dan, they're thinking
Maybe, Dan, they're thinking they'll use a bit of common sense and wait till the investigation is finished before filing charges?
Completely irrelevant to my
Completely irrelevant to my point Tina. I was merely referencing that "part" of your comment, but you go ahead and believe what you like.....my life is fine without your approval and I sleep well.
Tina, I agree with most of it
Tina, I agree with most of it except "needing to raise money" and the "moron" parts.......If ALL candidates were to stop spending so much it would be great, but they ALL will not, therefore they all WILL have to raise money and spend it just to defend themselves........chicken or the egg?
The problem is you don't
The problem is you don't understand how those fundraisers work......I have a solution to that. Don't go! If you do wish to support the cause then write the check, sit down, be quiet, and eat your peas!
brings back memories of the
brings back memories of the days I mucked horse stalls.........couldn't stop anywhere after work because I stunk so bad but it paid the bills......
the system is broken and
the system is broken and fixing it is going to anger some people. Get ready for the media circus.
I was thinking the same thing
I was thinking the same thing Bob. Most of the folks complaining probably have 2-3 wireless laptops used around the house as well as 2-3 cordless phones........all it takes to create a panic is a small "seed" and some "water". The "seed" being one complaint and the "water" being the media.....
That's a broken system!
That's a broken system!
Not to say we don't need
Not to say we don't need "deadbeat laws" however, some of them can be counterproductive! I know someone, in Maine, that was out of his career due to an accident injury, had to take a lower paying job and paid as much as he possibly could to the state for child support but could not make exactly the full amount. They eventually pulled his license causing him to lose his job. Not long after, put a lien on everything he owned and even possessed some of his property with the intention of auctioning it off. I have to ask myself, if I were in his shoes, would I want to give up after that? Fortunately, after a couple years he got his retroactive disability payments and caught everything up with the state but what a circus that can be......what a way to really tear someone down when they are doing their best.
The sad thing is, if he were still married to the mother, the state would have picked up the difference without any problem.
Probably for the same reasons
Probably for the same reasons liberals don't want us to have to show our IDs to vote......no real reason at all.
It isn't the "plate of food"
It isn't the "plate of food" they are buying. It is a donation to a cause just like charities do.......at charity auctions, it isn't unusual for items to sell for much more than they are worth because the buyer knows it is for a good cause. The "plate of food" just gives the donor a little something in return....
It is a "fundraiser"
It is a "fundraiser" Tina......they ALL do this. Take a look at Baldacci's or Obama's fundraisers! The question is, how many MORE Mainers will be helped if we give him twice as much time to make the changes we need? Maybe you should take a look here --> http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-04-05/tech/30074789_1_sticker-s... $38,500 per plate to eat with our socialist "leader"!
Yeah, Pelosi managed to do
Yeah, Pelosi managed to do it......
Amen Joe!
Amen Joe!
actually Stan, you're
actually Stan, you're confusing LePage with Baldacci. LePage won with 39%, it was Baldacci that won with 38%....you can just change the name in the letter, all else will fit fine.
Speaking of "reading between
Speaking of "reading between the lines".......I never said that you "said" it. I said you "thought" it and implying it definitely tells me what you're thinking..........
You implied it here ->
You implied it here -> http://www.sunjournal.com/comment/90242#comment-90242
it's only legal because those
it's only legal because those we have appointed to represent us have made or allowed it to be legal. Kinda like the insider trading at the federal level. That loophole was intentionally put in the law by those that benefited from it......
Thieves are thieves and they
Thieves are thieves and they come from all walks. The best part about this story is the number of "thieves" reading it that just might turn a leaf at the threat of public shame. 5 charged but many more reading.......
Funny how DHHS doesn't seem to have trouble finding and charging these thieves now that they've been told to do so.......what were they doing the last few decades? Maybe the threat of budget cuts helped?
It's funny, you and Al think
It's funny, you and Al think you've read me and understand me but you are both so far off the path. You think I'm rich while Al thinks I am a stay at home welfare case......how do two "intelligent" people come up with something so very different?
Dan, when "wealthy" is officially defined as being someone making $19950.00 or more per year, then we will see eye to eye on the tax issue.........there is hope!
Let me see if I have this
Let me see if I have this right, first you believe you know who my "cronies" are, then you don't know, then you do know........you're losing it Dan.
in reality, I associate more with you and Al than anyone else on here so, welcome to the club buddy! Now that you're a member, maybe I can get one of my friends to give you a retail job for 20k so you can join the ranks of the "wealthy" and take advantage of the "tax bonanza" we just got!
You were comparing what you
You were comparing what you did 20 years ago for 30k to what LePages daughter does today for 41k......bad comparison Al. With your experience, you should be smarter than that. That same job that paid you 30k 20 years ago probably starts you at about 50k now.
I didn't ask for your resume'....you threw it up and unless you're interviewing me for an opportunity, I won't be giving mine up. If your interested in interviewing me for a job in a retail store, don't bother. I have my career, far above that, and am completely happy where I am.
In all honesty, whether or not Al Pelletier believes me or not doesn't matter one bit. I'll sleep just fine without your approval.
Sales 101, don't give something of value without receiving something of value.....and what you offered me, Al, isn't valuable enough to get me to tip my hand.
You're always referring to me
You're always referring to me and my "cronies"....now the truth comes out. You don't really know who my "cronies" are.
You're the one reciting the
You're the one reciting the routine Ron.....
Yes, that convenience store
Yes, that convenience store clerk making $19950.00 must be one of our "cronies".....
If this administration hadn't
If this administration hadn't "taken note" we still wouldn't know about it.........but we do now. This is the kind of stuff the LePage administration is finding. After nearly 4 decades of democrat control, I am sure there is much more to be found.
1st, how long ago Al? If it
1st, how long ago Al? If it was your "starting pay" then is it safe for me to say 20 years as that is when you started running those stores? We're in 2012 now Al! 30k is chump change.....
2nd, Nobody takes a job in a retail department store to "make it big". Especially in an off price store. I am sorry you accepted a job then, that paid so little compared to today's market, but I am willing to bet they told you up front how much it paid! If the salary was so crappy, why did you take the job? .......because at the time, it probably wasn't crappy pay!
and you think I live in a
and you think I live in a fantasy? You just made yourself a fool with this post.
Jason, I can honestly agree
Jason, I can honestly agree with you on this one......
Me too....I saw the title and
Me too....I saw the title and thought: "Oh great, what am I in for today?!".......but I was wrong. <--- see I can admit it. I gotta ask, why is it they want to bring an arthritic elephant to cold Maine when most Mainer's know that cold is bad for arthritis?....not to mention separating her from family.
apparently it is right on
apparently it is right on yours and Tina's nightstands......
case in point on liberal rule
case in point on liberal rule #5 Tina.....
case in point on liberal rule
case in point on liberal rule #5 Tina.....
There we go again.....liberal
There we go again.....liberal rule #5, throw out an insult then leave. You imply one thing in one post, then try to change your meaning simply by emphasizing a different word in the next. I am not the one without the answers............I am not the one putting others down!
You're one to talk Dan!
You're one to talk Dan!
I understand it, not sure if
I understand it, not sure if you meant "moral or ethical consideration" or a "small amount or portion"...either way, it's funny as hell.
If she did, then you'd
If she did, then you'd complain that the only reason was because her father was Mayor of Waterville........you would find a way to complain...you always do.
LOL......oBAMa has
LOL......oBAMa has "scruples"......that's funny!
don't need to....I know what
don't need to....I know what it means. I want YOUR definition.
Liberal rule #5......insult
Liberal rule #5......insult then leave.
Please define for me the
Please define for me the difference between "all QUALIFIED" and "ALL qualified"........
Nice spin Al......I am not
Nice spin Al......I am not new to business myself. You failed to realize one MAJOR difference in your analogy, "Maine" is 100% "employee" owned and it's "CEO" owns just as fair share as you and I.......Cuts are cuts, whether you are talking about services or payroll......
Funny, one of you is saying
Funny, one of you is saying her job is "at the top" and another saying she just an "assistant".....you guys should really talk before posting so you can all be on the same page........
are you saying a college
are you saying a college graduate isn't qualified to be an "assistant"?
I suspect, right now, he is
I suspect, right now, he is too busy researching Ms. LePage's college education to worry about Obama's kids. He needs to come back with something.....
Do you even know what she
Do you even know what she does for work? I bet she is working harder than you. You know Al, "layoffs" when revenue isn't sufficient is the same as "cuts" when revenue isn't sufficient.......and cuts are indeed being made so why the complaints?
Maybe in your social circles
Maybe in your social circles Dan but I know many that were making 41k right out of college on their OWN merits. Do you know what she went to school for? Do you know how many years she went?
no comment about the job
no comment about the job itself....just that it is too soon after college to make 41k......I know plenty of people that made that and more right out of college.....
and how do democrats look now
and how do democrats look now after having been whipped by a mere "fantasy"......wait till the 2012 elections!
Remember that little lesson I
Remember that little lesson I gave you last week about that little "hookey thing" at the end of my sentence? I was merely asking you a question....continually implying that I am "putting words in your mouth" is the lie.
You may not think 41k is "wealthy" but you clearly think it is "huge". So where does "wealthy" start Dan?
"huge salary"?? Is that where
"huge salary"?? Is that where you draw the line? Are you saying 41k is "wealthy"?
How about answering the
How about answering the question: Why fire her?
He's not eliminating it Al,
He's not eliminating it Al, just scrutinizing it as you suggest. "Drastic times take drastic measures" but democrats are unwilling to take ANY drastic measures at all........you can't have it both ways Al.
Why fire LePage's daughter
Why fire LePage's daughter Al? If it were a nobody in that position you wouldn't say that.
"Why should people save all
"Why should people save all their lives when LePage can take it all away?"......Phyllis, if it were your money all saved up paying your way it wouldn't be cut from the budget.
Cuts must be made. Where do you suggest we make them and are you prepared to justify your suggestions to those affected by them?
I posted that on facebook
I posted that on facebook last week, THEN watched the entire thing.......shame on us!
No, I've been perfectly
No, I've been perfectly willing to discuss this with you but you refuse to throw a number on the table that we can use. You seem to believe you know what "wealthy" is, but where does it START?
REMEMBER! To control liberal
REMEMBER! To control liberal population, have your a** spayed or neutered!........Thank you Bob Barker!
seems your definition of
seems your definition of "wealthy" is.....um.....nonexistent!
In this case though, it is
In this case though, it is the DHHS budget that is out of whack and he wants to cut 120m from it......they are now trying to determine where........but yes, if they just cut a % across the board and let all DHHS departments work within that, it might be less stressful.
I agree Mark, but I was
I agree Mark, but I was trying to get our liberal friends here to come up with something.......epic fail on my part even believing there might be a reasonable answer in their heads.
He wants to tax the rich more
He wants to tax the rich more than the current 7.95% but in the past he has said the rich do not pay their fair share........actually, they pay more. He wants to rescind the tax cut ONLY on the wealthy to fund the 120m shortfall but will NOT specify what is "wealthy". Apparently he believes everybody between $19950.00 per year and "wealthy" (whatever that number is, he won't say) only account for the $30m difference between the 120m shortfall and the 150m tax cut..........doubt it, but they are HIS dreams.
385!
385!
386 days and counting!
386 days and counting!
Dan you obviously don't
Dan you obviously don't understand the process of writing and passing bills to bring those jobs in.........it's a process that takes a bit of time whether you are a republican or democrat. As far as the "safety net" is concerned, it is so far only a proposal. Nothing has been passed, but even that will take a bit of time so the "havoc to the safety net" as you put it, doesn't exist.
Ps: Yes, I am proud of him! For having the strength to do what is right for our state without fear of what it might do to his reputation with Dan Breton.
"When the government gets
"When the government gets involved it only messes it up."......thank you! Why would the private sector do anything when our government is already ripping money from our pockets to do it for us?...and paying for the bureaucratic process in between "us" and the "needy". Get them out of the picture and more $$ can go directly to the needy and much more efficiently as well.
You mean, "responses" I made
You mean, "responses" I made to your arguments..!? I guess you should have left my statement alone then......
You missed my point
You missed my point completely, please review my last paragraph. My point was, Hope Haven didn't really pour on the effort to let the public know about the toy collection. Once word got out (yes, thank you SJ) then all hell broke loose with donations from individuals AND businesses. I am sorry you are not exposed to the dealings of local business and their charity efforts, but I am through my work as and area representative for United Bikers of Maine. We have NO problem receiving donations from businesses in Androscoggin County (and other counties) but we beat the pavement to do it......
Admit it Jason, you didn't bring a toy until the SJ ran their story either.......
Why give him a job and have
Why give him a job and have to pay him when he has no problem publishing his fantasy here for free?? Dan, you should contact the writers guild for help. Maybe you can demand some pay for your work.......who knows, maybe you'll get a sit com contract out of it......or better yet, a soap opera.
"When was the last time some
"When was the last time some politician suggested that from now on everybody should build their own roads or that we should take care of plowing and tarring with volunteerism."...when they don't have the funds, they simply don't plow or repair and we have to drive in snow and potholes.......but you'll be complaining about having to do that next.
She seems to forget that the
She seems to forget that the "state" is us.........
He might respond, but we will
He might respond, but we will have to bug him for a few days while he comes up with something.......
Carl, Bob is justifying
Carl, Bob is justifying LePage's actions....that's the solution. Dan is attacking said solution without any suggestions of his own. Something he does EVERY day.
Just use the same method to
Just use the same method to get rid of the tree that you used to get it in the first place..........
as I said, "if it's anything
as I said, "if it's anything like what we've had the last 4 decades then I'm glad we destroyed it."
You amaze me sometimes Dan,
You amaze me sometimes Dan, first you think I'm rich, now you think I am the governor. What next?
This is the first time you've mentioned the "democratic plan" so I am calling you on it. Show me the "democratic plan".....if it's anything like what we've had the last 4 decades then I'm glad we destroyed it.
Wow Jason, do you have Dan
Wow Jason, do you have Dan writing your responses for you now?
1st: according to the same dictionary but looked up from my computer (with link provided)
private sector n. The part of the economy that is controlled by individuals or private organizations and is not funded by the government.
read it for yourself -> http://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=private+sector
According to businessdictionary.com : private sector, The part of national economy made up of private enterprises. It includes the PERSONAL SECTOR (HOUSEHOLDS)and corporate sector (companies), and is responsible for allocating most of the resources within an economy. See also public sector.
-> http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/private-sector.html
2nd: No, you are spinning it. My point was, without welfare the private sector WILL pick it up and did. All we have to do is ask as the Sun Journal did.....
3rd: I simply made a statement, YOU latched on to it and turned it into what it is now.
PS: for what it's worth, I happen to know there were some business that contributed once asked to do so. A charity fundraiser must be advertised like any other event. You can't just "be there" and wait for donations. We did it with UBM's annual toy run this year. Lot's of advertising went into it and as a result over 10,000 toys were collected in just a few hours.......I hadn't heard of Hope Haven's toy collection until I saw the story in the paper.
Jason, you linked to the
Jason, you linked to the original story that triggered the rush of donations they are speaking about in this story today..........the private sector isn't just corporations, it is everything OTHER THAN government.....nice try.
Tina, we have joined forces,
Tina, we have joined forces, in our constitutional amendment #10! How about instead of making the feds pay for the things they are forcing the states to do, we simply demand the feds honor our tenth amendment and stop trying to force it's power unto the states.......
Just keep in mind, the higher
Just keep in mind, the higher salary you set that bracket, the smaller the population within that bracket gets so the higher you would need to set the tax rate to make up for it.........so let me ask you this, do you really believe that increasing the tax rate only on the rich will fund the 120 million DHHS shortfall all by itself when the ENTIRE tax cut (middle and upper class) totaled 150 million? You'd either have to set that bracket real low, which it already was, OR set the tax rate so damn high you'd never get support enough to pass it and if you did our rich WILL leave state, taking with them, those tax dollars.........
What happened to the days
What happened to the days when they didn't plow as much and they didn't remove snowbanks as quickly. Instead we put orange balls on our antenna and snow tires on the car and drove in it.........welcome to Maine, where it snows in the winter.
How did those persons without
How did those persons without the car actually get their trees?
It is amazing how the private
It is amazing how the private sector steps up to the plate when the public sector simply can not do it anymore.........and it seems as though Hope Haven just may understand this.
For me, it is the
For me, it is the relationships with my friends and family that make me "wealthy"...........
You are vehemently avoiding
You are vehemently avoiding this question Dan.....I am merely asking your opinion, which you gladly force on us every day, but for some reason you do not wish to give it on this one simple question: At what annual salary would you "rescind" the tax cut and put them back at 8.5%??
Ditto, at what salary level
Ditto, at what salary level should be "rescind" the tax?? What salary do you consider "wealthy"?
Simple question John, where
Simple question John, where do you suggest we cut instead?
No lie Dan, as you had said
No lie Dan, as you had said last week here -> http://www.sunjournal.com/comment/89458#comment-89458
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 18:56 "how about republicans rescind the massive tax cuts they gave the wealthy this year."
rescind, meaning: to abrogate; annul; revoke; repeal. That tax break you want to rescind was to everyone making $19950.00 or more......
Now, if you would like to simply tax the "rich" more, we'd have to create a fourth tax bracket and set that at the original 8.5%......would this be acceptable to you? At what annual salary should we set that fourth bracket?
Just to add some
Just to add some specifics:
The change to the top tax rate was from 8.5% to 7.95%, a total of .55% (just over half percent)
The top tax rate starts at $19950.00 for a single
The median annual salary in Maine for a single is approx. $31782.00
The average annual salary of the middle class single in the US is approx. $33517.00
That means the "tax bonanza" as Dan puts it, also affects just about the ENTIRE middle class in Maine, which is MUCH MUCH larger than Maine's upper class and surely takes the most advantage of this cut. So, rescinding the tax cut as Dan would like to do, would also take that tax cut away from the middle class. To help the middle class as most of the country wants to do, we must cut that top tax rate.
I've showed this to Dan time and time again, he just doesn't want to know the truth......
If he were "just a wannabe"
If he were "just a wannabe" he'd still be at the bottom pretending to be at the top.........
It is great to finally have a
It is great to finally have a governor that has the courage to propose the changes our great state needs! The ones past administrations have ignored and kicked down the road. Thank you Paul LePage, for running last year and thanks in advance for doing what it takes to get the job done over the next three!
when you have a president
when you have a president plowing over our constitution like Obama is, it is everybody's responsibility to stop him and a filibusterer is an effective tool to do so.
corrupt leaders are corrupt
corrupt leaders are corrupt leaders, not matter what type of government or what party, and need to go.
what your telling us Dan, is
what your telling us Dan, is that we have a president that is doing everything that republicans, and many democrats, will disagree with. You'd think he'd have learned by now, especially after losing control of congress. If his support was as strong as he thinks it is, we wouldn't be able to stop him.........someday you'll be glad we are.
....aaaand the senate! All
....aaaand the senate! All three branches need a cleansing.
That's because Obama has
That's because Obama has taken liberal socialism to new heights and it is our responsibility to stop him Dan......
and what is YOUR explanation
and what is YOUR explanation Tony??
When one places blame on the
When one places blame on the wrong people, there is no compassion......
They probably sleep pretty
They probably sleep pretty cozy and warm, but why is it you blame them? What is causing our inflation is the massive amount of spending coming from Washington......you see Bobbi, every time Obama signs another bill that requires more spending he either borrows it from another country or simply prints more money. Printing more money lowers the value of our dollar causing prices to rise. If you want to stop the inflation, tell Washington to stop the spending and vote accordingly next November!
Dan, I'll tell you the same
Dan, I'll tell you the same thing I told your dad. You can't expect me to tell the truth AND tell you something different every time....they just don't go together!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sovereign_debt_crisis#Rising_gover...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/08/us-eurozone-imf-usa-idUSTRE7B7...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/europe-bailout-european-financi...
Remove your blinders
Remove your blinders Ron.......the world is an amazing place when you look at it all!
Sorry Ron, but I can be
Sorry Ron, but I can be expected to speak the truth AND give you a different answer every time.....they just don't go together.
and it was over regulation
and it was over regulation created by democrats that pushed them out of state.......why don think there was a big "to do" about Maine being "open for business" right after a republican was elected?
Nice to see you taking Dan
Nice to see you taking Dan under your wing......he needs positive attention from a father figure.
any WHY do all the others
any WHY do all the others need a bailout? Which, by the way, Germany doesn't want to do because that will finish them off as well......
He will never admit it duh!
He will never admit it duh! His actions alone PROVE it!
no denial here....I've always
no denial here....I've always said things went to hell as soon as Democrats took control of congress the last two years of Bush......that's 5 years ago isn't it?? And I have also said many times that with democrats trying to pull us into socialism, it is our responsibility to stop them......makes perfect sense. We'll continue to do anything we can to stop them.
well obviously he's blogging
well obviously he's blogging on here, after midnight anyways......
show us the numbers.......
show us the numbers.......
You know Dan, you might gain
You know Dan, you might gain a smidge of respect if you simply told us you didn't know the facts.......
socialism doesn't work...it
socialism doesn't work...it hasn't worked in Europe either. Therefore it is our duty to stop him as our forefathers would expect us to. There is no need to "try to make it work" since many other countries have already tried and failed......
since you are making the
since you are making the statement Dan, it is up to you to show the "facts".....
Dan, his plan will not help
Dan, his plan will not help us prosper, therefore it is our duty to stop him.....then fire him in November!
Dan, I'm giving you control
Dan, I'm giving you control of the discussion! Let's talk about some real numbers here. Where would you set the top tier (so as to avoid the middle class) and at what percentage would you set the tax rate?
Everything she is saying is
Everything she is saying is her own personal observation. One which many also share. Nobody can accuse her of lying or even exaggerating!
It is great to see our seniors finally speaking up publicly about the horrendous affects of the Obama administration on their lives. Many of which voted for his "hope and change". I hope this means they'll vote for a conservative next November. Real good "hope and change" will come.........it's either that, or 4 more years of much worse.
Let's talk about some real
Let's talk about some real numbers here. Where would you set the top tier (so as to avoid the middle class) and at what percentage would you tax it?
So are you now saying you
So are you now saying you want ONLY the wealthy cuts to be rescinded? Eg; We would have to add a special tax bracket like at $100,000? Is that what you are now saying?
I can't force you to see it
I can't force you to see it Dan, but rest assured, everyone else here can see it. Suit yourself but I am trying to help you.........
Ok, Dan you really ought to
Ok, Dan you really ought to just sit back and read the entire thread then tell me you don't look like a fool.......
Dan, I am not putting words
Dan, I am not putting words into your mouth. I simply asked you a question. Here it is again: "So would you like to add that .55 percent (that's barely over HALF a percent) back into the paychecks of everyone making $19,950 per year or more?"
Do you see that little hooky looking thing at the end of my sentence??? <-- just like these? That is called a "question mark" and it means I am asking you a question. That isn't just my interpretation of the little hooky thingy, that's a fact.
No lies from me Dan. The tax
No lies from me Dan. The tax break "bonanza" YOU want to rescind according to your MANY posts about it is the recent lowering of the top tax tier from 8.5% to 7.95% and that tier affects ALL Mainers making $19,950 per year and up........that include the middle class Dan. Maine's median income is 31782 and the national median income of the "middle class" is approx. $33,000, both WELL WITHIN the tax break YOU want to rescind. No lies from me Dan, you said it all by yourself all over the SJ blog on MANY strings.........your denial does not help your image here.
I should add that the median
I should add that the median income for the "middle class" is around $33,000 per year, give or take depending on source. That means Dan wants to rescind the tax breaks LePage gave to the middle class along with the few rich........hmmm, I wonder what percentage of Mainers fall into the "middle class" versus the "upper class"? (or moguls as Dan calls them)
So would you like to add that
So would you like to add that .55 percent (that's barely over HALF a percent) back into the paychecks of everyone making $19,950 per year or more? That's the "huge" tax cut you keep talking about. How many folks reading this would like to see that?
Noooooo, I am talking about
Noooooo, I am talking about ALL Mainers making $19950 per year or more which consists of MOST working Mainers. You're the one who completely ignored everyone between high school kids and the successful.........or "moguls" as you call them.
You've really got to stop trying to spin the discussion when you've already got your share of words invested in it. You make yourself look like a fool Dan. I'm concerned for you.....
Wilma, you answered your own
Wilma, you answered your own question: "Why is it that the only cuts that the state or the United States can come up with start with the people at the bottom?" when you made the statement: "Our biggest employer is DHHS".....how many people do you know at the "top" are utilizing any programs from the DHHS?? The issue being discussed right now is not the statewide budget, but the DHHS budget......which means, the needed cuts WILL affect someone that is perceived as "in need".........
But I agree, the system sucks.....so vote for a TRUE conservative in November and see REAL change come our way!
to be the devils advocate
to be the devils advocate here, I think your use of the term "queen" (which is indeed the opposite of "king) may come across as implying he might be of the "alternative lifestyle" which would be crossing the line even in my book Paul.......but I understood your real meaning.
Dan, they may not always
Dan, they may not always respond but they do listen. From my experience, you get best results by writing an original letter. Do not use a "form letter" that 1000 other people might be using as well.....those usually get ignored or you'll get a "form answer".
now we know why Republicans
now we know why Republicans have such difficulty getting anything done in Washington........look what we've got to work with. A bunch of men and women that know it all but have NO answers......
Still no serious answers from
Still no serious answers from the top 3 liberal know-it-alls on the SJ blogs?? I am disappointed! I guess this is the end of the discussion.......
You seem to be under the
You seem to be under the impression that tax bracket consists of only a few high school students and the rest all rich folks........how much do you make a year Dan? How many rich moguls do you think Maine has? (actually paying taxes in Maine anyway, we have to consider all the rich Hollywood liberals that call Maine home 49% of the year.)
Governor LePage has lived on
Governor LePage has lived on LESS than you have.......for years!
and you've earned every one
and you've earned every one of them.....
Actually Ron, rooming with
Actually Ron, rooming with Dr. Dosh would cost much at all.....just bring your own tent.
Alice, getting the
Alice, getting the legislators to step up to the plate starts with "you"......are you speaking with your representatives regularly?
still no explanation as to
still no explanation as to how the defunct occupy movement comes up with 99%?
Dan, you've been labeling it
Dan, you've been labeling it as a "massive tax bonanza to the wealthy" all week.....who are you trying to kid? If you've done any research at all, you'd know that the change to the top tier was only .55% (that just over half percent in case you don't know what that funny little snowman symbol is) and it affects ALL Mainers making $19950 or more.......Maine's median income is $31782.
In the past you complained of the rich "not paying their fair share" but now we're on a different topic, you will gladly tie the rich to the top tier of income tax totally undermining yourself...again...
Like I've said before, enjoy YOUR tax cut Dan.....unless of course your on the receiving end of MINE. Then, well, I will enjoy it!
Dan, it wasn't a "tax
Dan, it wasn't a "tax bonanza" to the wealthy! It was a tax cut to ALL Mainers making $19950 or more.....that covers MOST Mainers.......even some high school kids. Enjoy your tax cut while you have it because if one of yours is elected next time around, he's gonna take it away from you.......
Maybe our hospitals should
Maybe our hospitals should require "advanced pay" as well??
You're right Dan, "normal
You're right Dan, "normal people" would just keep swiping that card until it's maxed out!.........guess what? It's now maxed out........the deficit existed before the cuts Dan and we all know it, repeating that just makes you look like the fool.....keep up the good work!
You know, that might actually
You know, that might actually be worth it, just don't cash the check till you get there because I'm not as rich as Dan thinks I am......
If you haven't any enemies
If you haven't any enemies then you haven't stood up for something you believe in!
Well Ron, might I suggest you
Well Ron, might I suggest you hoist anchor? I hear Hawaii is nice and warm. You can room with Dr. Dosh.
With all due respect Gerald,
With all due respect Gerald, you seem to know that cuts need to be made to the DHHS budget. You seem to believe that the decisions of the administration are the wrong ones, but go on to say that the decisions need to be made by "experts"....well, determining if the decision is wrong just as likely would require an expert as well.
We are not talking about the state budget. We are talking about DHHS budget. No matter where we cut, someone "needy" will notice it, after all I don't know too many "self supportive Mainers" that are utilizing DHHS programs. I would, however, really like to hear your opinion on where the cuts should be made. What programs should be cut instead and are you ready to defend your idea to those affected by your cuts?
Nope, the numbers don't lie.
Nope, the numbers don't lie. The upper tax bracket starts at $19950.00 for single, $29900 for joint, Maine's median income is $32782....for a single!
Still, nobody here wants to
Still, nobody here wants to answer those questions? How would you suggest we cover the DHHS shortfall? Which programs should be cut instead, or which programs should we take from to cover the DHHS
Dan? Riml? Dosh?
Answering the questions would require them to "cut" from someone else and they wouldn't have the brass to do it so they will not say it. They'd rather force republicans to do the hard work so they can chastise them another day, on another article.
As a matter of fact Ron, as I
As a matter of fact Ron, as I stated above, I do! My family.........besides, I have a mission here, to turn Maine red! ;)
It wasn't his time to speak.
It wasn't his time to speak. If he were to barge his way in and demand to speak you would have called him a "bully"! You can't deny that, we all know you too well!
Many times I've considered
Many times I've considered moving. If it weren't for my family being here, I would have. It's still on the table though.......
Seems as though we have a few
Seems as though we have a few people on here that always have the answers but are never able to tell us what they are........maybe they are just saving them for when they run for office themselves?
Shows us what you know Dan,
Shows us what you know Dan, it wasn't his meeting to speak at!
LOL....you're losing it Dan.
LOL....you're losing it Dan. Those tax cuts weren't big enough to account for 120 million by themselves and DHHS had its budget problems long before any tax cuts and you know it.
Still no link to the data you use huh? No real answer from Dan Breton?
Dan it seems you agree that
Dan it seems you agree that the rich are paying the "top tax rate" when in the past you have insisted that the rich "don't pay their fair share".......yep, you're right! They pay MORE!
FYI: Maine's top tax rate starts at an annual salary of $19950 and Maine's median income is $31782.......many Mainers below the median income also benefit from any cuts to the top tier.
So what you're saying Dan, is
So what you're saying Dan, is you don't have an answer for us.
Fact: DHHS has more money going out than coming in. How do we fund the shortfall Dan??
So what you're saying Dan, is
So what you're saying Dan, is you don't have an answer for us.
Fact: DHHS has more money going out than coming in. How do we fund the shortfall Dan??
and while you are at it Dan,
and while you are at it Dan, why don't you answer the questions I have asked of Dianne and Dr. Dosh? How would you suggest we cover the DHHS shortfall? Which programs should be cut instead, or which programs should we take from to cover the DHHS
Dan, I asked you three days
Dan, I asked you three days ago on this story -> http://www.sunjournal.com/comment/89179#comment-89179
to please provide a link to the source of your "wealthy tax break" claim and you have yet to do so. When Tron doesn't respond it is usually because he can't.
Liberal rag stories don't count......link the actual information.
No it didn't, you said
No it didn't, you said "most"
most
adj \ˈmōst\
1: greatest in quantity, extent, or degree
2: the majority of
Mr. Breton is afraid of facts
Mr. Breton is afraid of facts Bob......you probably won't get much response from him now.
Maybe, Dr. Dosh, you could
Maybe, Dr. Dosh, you could answer the questions I asked of Dianne? How would you suggest we cover the DHHS shortfall? Which programs should be cut instead, or which programs should we take from to cover the DHHS shortfall?
Yes, I agree. That is a dumb
Yes, I agree. That is a dumb question......you will now try to imply that because I do not receive any government insurance that it doesn't effect me. The better question would be: "Do these cuts affect me?" and my answer is yes. They affect half of my household income.
I have a question for you; Where or how does the occupy movement come up with 99%?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gIxuOabGBE
~ Merry Christmas ~
Insert {{crickets
Insert {{crickets chirping}}....
Yes, I remember taking the
Yes, I remember taking the city bus with my mom across town to shop all day on Lisbon St and lower Main St.......you didn't have to go to Portland for high end merchandise!
Just think, if we had a big
Just think, if we had a big magical bottomless pot of money, everyone would be happy......but, we don't. How would you suggest we cover the DHHS shortfall Dianne? Which programs should be cut instead, or which programs should we take from to cover the DHHS shortfall?
Everybody wants our government to be more fiscally responsible, until it affects them.......it's the old "not in my backyard" syndrome. Take from somebody else instead........
Dan, this seems to be your
Dan, this seems to be your "cookie cutter" response lately to anyone that doesn't agree with you. If we don't see it then there's no hope for us.........are you having trouble digging up facts now? I am looking forward to the next election when, with all your wisdom, you put YOUR name on a ballot.
Please provide a link to the
Please provide a link to the source of your info......it is my understanding the tax breaks went to Mainers making $19,950 to $39,950. Since when is $ 19,950 or $ 39,950 wealthy ? ! ?
Liberalism and conservatism
Liberalism and conservatism are ideologies and those that embrace them generally live their lives around them even if they don't realize it. Your question, although a good one, is much like asking: Why does everything have to be Christian or Jewish? Why can we all just be "believers"?
Being a republican or democrat is simply a designation anyone can choose, even if they don't follow the same ideologies. They can fake it. True conservatism or liberalism comes from the heart and mind and can not be faked.
I'll give you an example:
I'll give you an example: Last year the NTSB released their propaganda concerning motorcycle accidents in an effort to "push" for helmet legislation. They said basically, that motorcycle deaths doubled from 1998 to 2008 and used a current "hot button" in Washington by saying we were becoming a "burden on society" in healthcare costs.
A bit of research found that, yes motorcycle deaths did indeed double from 1998 to 2008. In bodies that is. Motorcycle registrations ALSO doubled making the death rate the same showing no increased. They also failed to tell the public that around 2005 the motorcycle community began a push for responsible riding and that 2008 was actually 3 years into a decline in motorcycle deaths but they had to get their agenda out before that news came to light so they chose the 10 year span that told their story best. 1998 to 2008.....who chooses a date range like that?
Another surprising fact we learned unexpectedly about the NTSB is that while they have investigated thousands of plane and train crashes, they have only investigated 3 motorcycle crashes but for some reason that made them "experts".
I'm not trying to push the helmet issue here but this is my experience with the NTSB. Everything they say needs to be verified!
Don't get me wrong, I do
Don't get me wrong, I do recognize the dangers of cell phone USE while driving but Joe, you've hit the nail on the head. I just want to add though, through my experiences researching motorcycle rights issues, the NTSB is well known for giving ONLY the info they need to sell their point. On the motorcycle side, we've discredited them many times. I also want to add, since you mentioned the "proposal". The NTSB does not have ANY law making powers. They can only recommend. In the past they have threatened to pull federal highway funding from states that didn't comply. That's why most states passed helmet laws back in the 70s. They did it out of fear, until that is, the NTSB's actions were deemed unconstitutional. Now most states have either relaxed or completely reversed their helmet laws. The NTSB recommendations need to be taken seriously but ALWAYS need to be verified.....and verified again.
Bob, our liberal opponents
Bob, our liberal opponents will continue to demand apologies and explanations for every little thing we do in an effort to distract the public. However, they will never, ever accept our explanations or apologies as we would theirs.......but you know this already.
Doreen, the Forbes review may
Doreen, the Forbes review may not have said anything about welfare but the quote in the article wasn't LePages, it came from a Forbes representative. The writer just failed to put "Forbes said:" in front of it.
in a city that has had a
in a city that has had a democrat mayor for as long as I know, definitely a victory!
It isn't "just because of
It isn't "just because of forbes mag".....when an independent third party rates us as low as they did, it is our governors duty to ask "why did you grade us so low"....and as it turns out, the reason is very much the same Lepage has been saying all along. How many more independent agencies have to come to the same conclusion as LePage before you acknowledge that maybe he is really on to something?
after democrats went on a
after democrats went on a four day bombing campaign of Bob and his family........he was rightfully angry.
yeah because crybaby Gilbert
yeah because crybaby Gilbert isn't an embarrassment right?
and in East Boothbay, the
and in East Boothbay, the dead can blog.... LOL....you didn't think that would go untouched did you?
Your the one in need of
Your the one in need of medical help Al, your running out of rhetoric. To a liberal, that's like bleeding out.
Here you go little
Here you go little grasshopper, learn something -> http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/terror-attacks-us-time-high/story?id=10748...
enlighten yourself Dan -->
enlighten yourself Dan --> http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/terror-attacks-us-time-high/story?id=10748...
LOL.....yes you're right Dan,
LOL.....yes you're right Dan, that's a freebie. The US Cole doesn't count, tell that to the families of the victims. HOWEVER, the bombing of the trade center in 1993 was on US oil and I could just as easily say Clinton did nothing to stop that. Not only did nothing to stop it, but also did nothing to achieve justice and had he done that, 9-11 would be a non issue.......he had multiple chances to remove Bin Laden and he sat on his hands.
There's only been two attacks of 9-11 magnitude on US soil in recent history and everyone knows that, but that doesn't excuse all the others. Don't ever believe they don't tie together somehow........
Funny how you expect me to
Funny how you expect me to accept as Obama's excuse for the over spending and unemployment as the housing collapse, a banking collapse, an auto industry collapse and 2 wars but you refuse to accept the fact that Bush had 9-11,(the largest attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor) two funded and approved wars, and major floods that sunk entire cities, and worst of all two years of democrat controlled gridlock in congress with Nancy Pelosi....
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--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ZvQsP48pQ&feature=related
Hmmmm....those numbers are
Hmmmm....those numbers are fiscal year end. Meaning October 2009. Bush left him 5.8% as of October 2008
and we come full circle, what
and we come full circle, what is Obama doing while the country goes down the drain? Playing golf? Vacationing? Blaming EVERYONE but himself....
Looks like you and Dan have
Looks like you and Dan have taken a sudden interest in the number of "likes" and "dislikes" you have. Why is that?
you know Dan, you've said
you know Dan, you've said some real asinine things but this takes the cake! If you think those attacks were planned and executed all in 6 months time then there isn't much hope for you. And FYI: Yes the USS Cole was attacked during the Clinton era as well as a few other interests abroad.
Dan you seem to forget that
Dan you seem to forget that Clinton knew Bin Laden was up to something and had multiple chances to take him out but chose not to..........I bet now he has regrets.
Minority candidates? Did an
Minority candidates? Did an Independent run? and what does that have to do with MacDonald/Paradis?
Oh look! Something shiny!
Oh look! Something shiny! Stay with me Riml, you've taken a discussion about the ratio of our national debt to GDP and turned it into a Bush/Iraq/Afghanistan rhetorical commentary. Your the one that claimed it was "unfunded" and one of your first comments here supported my correction when you said: "The wars technically were 'Funded'" thank you for confirming! But now you are starting to appear desperate and scrambling for a defense..........
LOL...that's funny! All Obama
LOL...that's funny! All Obama did was say: Yeah, ok, you can pull the trigger now! After months of tedious work done by our great military and military leaders. The same leaders Bush put in place and Obama left in place because they were the right choice. Same with the pirates, Obama did nothing other than give permission to do what our military said had to be done.........you'll notice though, on the other military decisions, he has complete disregard for the opinions of our military leaders.
Here are the US unemployment yearly averages according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Again, when was it Obama took office? See below for a hint! An "improvement" will come when the rate is back to "before Obama". All we've seen so far in 2011 is a slight reduction in the damage he caused. It's like your kid coming home with your car wrecked and saying: "but dad, I vacuumed the interior for you!" It's still wrecked!
2004 5.5
2005 5.1
2006 4.6
2007 4.6
2008 5.8
2009 9.3 <- Obama took office
2010 9.6
2011 8.2
Now this time I used the
Now this time I used the official CBO data, as you guys said I should, and you disagree with me? Childish! It's time to face facts and admit it. Obama is ruining us financially, among other ways.
actually I copied one too
actually I copied one too many years for Bush.....2000 belongs to Clinton and 1992 belongs to HW Bush
much like that 9-9-9
much like that 9-9-9 something rather plan I heard a whisper about recently from someone.....
Yes absolutely! One word can
Yes absolutely! One word can make a huge difference!
I see the discrepancy Riml,
I see the discrepancy Riml, the CBO figures go by the feds fiscal year (ending in October) and the chart I have uses calendar year but the fluctuations are consistent between the two. I will use the CBO chart from now on though, just for you.....according to the CBO chart "hist07z1.xls" these are the debt stats as a percentage to GDP for each fiscal year. Now refresh my memory, when was Bush in office? When Did Obama take over?
Clinton
1992 64.1
1993 66.1
1994 66.6
1995 67.0
1996 67.1
1997 65.4
1998 63.2
1999 60.9
Bush W
2000 57.3
2001 56.4
2002 58.8
2003 61.6
2004 62.9
2005 63.5
2006 63.9
2007 64.4
2008 69.4
Obama
2009 84.2
2010 93.2
2011 estimate 102.6
2012 estimate 105.3
2013 estimate 106.0
2014 estimate 105.5
2015 estimate 105.2
2016 estimate 105.2
Really Mark? Wikipedia?
Really Mark? Wikipedia?
I agree Mark, all of them
I agree Mark, all of them through the years have added to it and the national debt has never really "gone down" as far as actual dollars is concerned. As our economy has grown over the years, the percentage of GDP grew with it but it grew slower than the actual debt dollars. We will always have debt but it's time to set a limit in percentage to GDP......a balanced budget amendment will do just that.
Mark, there is no "math" to
Mark, there is no "math" to be done, these are stats. Where are you getting your numbers from? My numbers show Bush leaving us at 10.6 trillion with Obama taking it to 14.3......irregardless, national debt is usually measured in percentage to GDP. The numbers I quoted are % to GDP. I am not finding your numbers anywhere.
You missed the boat Al! I am
You missed the boat Al! I am not blaming Clinton and Obama for any mistakes of the Bush administration. I am clearly blaming Obama for the OUTRAGEOUS spending coming out of Washington TODAY! You liberals constantly claim that Bush put us more into hawk than anyone, but the numbers can't be denied. That prize belongs to Obama and nobody else. Nice spin though. I give it an 8.
As far as me never voting for a democrat, you obviously don't know enough about me to make that claim as I used to be a democrat..........until, that is, I opened my mind and started paying attention.
FYI: If you're gonna use specific people to represent the democratic party, you may want to make sure they actually WERE democrats. Washington was a federalist and Abe was a republican.
This isn't about "total
This isn't about "total debt", it's about "increase".
Oh Riml! I know you're
Oh Riml! I know you're smarter than that! Those numbers clearly show that the national debt that was aquired through the Clinton years (with NO wars or natural disasters I might add) then "maintained" through the Bush years even WITH 9-11, two FUNDED wars, AND a natural disaster. The debt jumped a bit during the first year of Obama which I will give you the benefit of the doubt and call it "grey area" but the sudden surge on his second year is ALL Obama's and deny it all you want, it just makes you look like a fool and I know you're not. It's time to admit it. The Obama administration is reckless with our money!
Damn, that was supposed to be
Damn, that was supposed to be "never below 85%" for obama
Average dept as percentage of
Average dept as percentage of GDP:
Clinton: 65.25% NEVER above 70%
W. Bush: 64.24% NEVER above 75%
Obama: 92.36% NEVER BELOW 90% with his first year being the lowest at 86.4% and last year and this year to date at over 95%.......can't blame bush for it anymore!
Do the math Riml....who ran us into debt?
Joe, don't get hooked into
Joe, don't get hooked into Dan's trolling. He's up at midnight to be the first to read and respond to LSJ articles. Always looking for an argument and usually knows exactly how to get one started. He's a professional.
Damn newspaper writers! Can't
Damn newspaper writers! Can't trust any of em anymore..... LOL
Our government wasn't created
Our government wasn't created to support us......
This isn't the only place the
This isn't the only place the state is cutting Jenn........we have to cut all over, and we are.
This isn't about who deserves
This isn't about who deserves insurance or who doesn't. It's about whether or not Maine can afford to foot the bill anymore. When the bill is larger than the paycheck it's time to reduce the bills.
Someone HAD to get into the
Someone HAD to get into the pool, empty or not. Our last "leader" sure as hell didn't have the courage to do it, LePage does. All those cuts you are describing will surely upset people just as well. How will you explain your reasoning to those people when that happens?
Point is, no matter where we cut, there will be a certain amount of upset from various groups. Are you willing to do your part in absorbing some cuts?
on another note Robert, a few
on another note Robert, a few years back we all had a chance, the "entitled included, to force Maine's government to spend within our means when we voted on TABOR (2 or 3 times I think). We, the people of the state, refused to pass it. The chickens have now come home to roost........
actually Robert, that 7% was
actually Robert, that 7% was a DECREASE in population.....this is the "can that got kicked down the road" by democrat "leadership" in the past forcing us to make drastic changes now. We've already dilly dallied on it long enough. The resistance is perfectly normal to any change. Those that reap the benefits of programs being cut will scream because they feel they are losing something that is theirs. Hence the term "entitled". But you know darn well, with our governments overspending the way they are now, we all, you and I included, stand to lose much much more down the the road if we don't get it under control.
My wife works in social services so I am sure I will be affected in the near future as well and I am ok with that because I know we must make tough changes now in order to advance later. I am taking steps now so that any changes that come my way will be as painless as possible to my family.
Because it's the DHHS budget
Because it's the DHHS budget we are talking about.....EVERYONE in their programs is "needy" therefore, it stands to reason, the "needy" will take a cut just like many of us are doing at home.
Believe it or not Nick, there
Believe it or not Nick, there are people out there that want exactly that!
it's all because of almost 40
it's all because of almost 40 years of take, take, take coming from the "entitled" causing the state to give, give, give........unfortunately "we the people" weren't paying attention and we allowed the state to give, give, give, too much and now can't afford to give, give, give more to make up for the cut coming from the fed and the fed is in the same boat as the states are. When does it stop? Do you allow your children to take, take, take from you? Or do you eventually tell them "no"? Because you simply can not afford to give any more.....Right now, our state government is doing what it needs to and saying "NO" just like we have to do with our children.
At the end of the day, the
At the end of the day, the reason for these cuts is because we are losing federal funding for the program and Maine simply can't make up that loss, therefore the cuts are coming right from Washington! Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck.......but some of you are choosing to call it a crow.
You need to start paying more
You need to start paying more attention to what LePage is doing and less to what liberals are telling you he is doing. He speaks with "regular" Mainers every day! You just have to go to the LAST pages of the newspapers to get those stories.
because his salary and the
because his salary and the salary of his one family member would not even cone close to making a difference........at the end of the day, our state spends more than it has coming in. THAT is irresponsible no matter how you look at it. Cuts need to be made and someone isn't going to like it, this time it's you, next time it might be me, period.
Yes, oBUMa is a prime example
Yes, oBUMa is a prime example too!
not to mention, sometimes a
not to mention, sometimes a mayor becomes governor. ;) ...that'll get em going!
and Terry, give it a bit and
and Terry, give it a bit and Tron will jump in too....
I don't see anywhere in this
I don't see anywhere in this article that it says LePage is taking coverage away......just says the state can't afford Medicaid to cover a certain group, and those in that group happen to be without child. The underlying message is quite possibly that Medicaid simply doesn't work for all....maybe we need something else? .....but, liberal blinders fit so damn tight, they don't let you open your minds and see the whole picture. I say, let's wait until the details are revealed before passing judgement......you know, those details that have NOT been revealed yet. The ones that just might deliver a very different message.......
For those that don't know how
For those that don't know how to help, there is one small way coming up on January 28th. L/A Harley Davidson and United Bikers of Maine are sponsoring their annual "Chili & Chowder Cook Off" to raise money for "Advocates for Children", a group dedicated to the prevention of child abuse in the Androscoggin area. If you have a great secret family recipe for what you consider the greatest chili OR chowder, please enter the competition and don't hesitate to bring you children because there will also be a "Youth Bake Off" as well! These events are always great fun and the more entries and visitors voting for them, the merrier!
Enter you dish, OR simply stop in the taste others and cast your vote (and warm up too)!
Details can be found at this link --> http://www.mainebiker.net/events/ubm-androscoggin-la-harley-davidson-chi...
you can rescind it now by
you can rescind it now by clicking it again.....
It would have been
It would have been irresponsible for any governor to refuse funds set aside for a federally mandated project. That would be dumb. The project was going to be paid for one way or another.....if not out of the feds kitty, then out of the state's.
The federal government
The federal government doesn't let states return funds. Look what happened to Sarah Palin and the bridge........
Yes, you're right on all of
Yes, you're right on all of it and he was strangely missed........
Noooo, I am making reference
Noooo, I am making reference to the fact you are stuck on the whole 3/5, 2/3 detail when that doesn't affect the real point of my post in the first place. And yet again, you are blowing smoke and avoiding the fact that democrats rejected the amendment. I must ask you, with a talent like yours, can you spin straw into gold?
again Dan, it's right there
again Dan, it's right there in the article for those that make the choice to see it: "States are mandated to have the exchanges in place by 2014 or the federal government will do it for them." Do you know what "mandated" means? That means until the lawsuit is successful we will HAVE to do it or the feds will do it for us, therefore we will need the funds to do so. If the Obama administration was using even an ounce of common sense, this would be a non-issue.
There is one other
There is one other difference. I can clearly see where the blame lies for the failure to pass this amendment and you simply refuse to. Instead you choose to use a bit of smoke and mirrors to distract others from the point of my post. Democrats do not want a balanced budget amendment and they made it clear! They do not want us commoners telling them not to overspend our money.........
Yes, you're correct Dan. That
Yes, you're correct Dan. That was an honest "error" and since this blog doesn't allow us to edit our comments I had to leave it in hopes that you were still "away" and wouldn't notice. Article 5, as the copy I keep in my pocket states, a 2/3 vote is required. Yes Dan you caught me in a big fat lie......I'm just another one of those capitalist pigs, purposely trying to pull the wool over American's eyes so I can make millions. In this case, 2/3 or 3/5 is completely irrelevant.....democrats still rejected it.
Correct, it was the balanced
Correct, it was the balanced budget amendment that democrats rejected.....
But I bet if you try to
But I bet if you try to remove it, they will claim you are against and hate our children....somehow.
Joe, you're confusing
Joe, you're confusing "balanced budget amendment" (to the constitution) with "balanced budget".....a balanced budget amendment to the constitution would not specify any tax increases, decreases, or any cuts or increases in spending. It would simply require our government to balance the budget each and every time....
Mine can't decide what it
Mine can't decide what it wants to do now......it may have been growing slowly before Obama but at least it was steady in that direction.
You're comparing democrats
You're comparing democrats throwing out a constitutional amendment that would require them to spend our money more wisely to republicans throwing out a 300 billion dollar tax increase? As my 9 year old would say: "Really Riml?"
Yes Mark, but if they don't
Yes Mark, but if they don't submit such a bill, then democrats will be forever saying the republicans made no effort. That they are the "party of no". Now it is documented for eternity......democrats don't want a constitutional amendment forcing them to spend more wisely while **most** republicans are at least willing to try.....
You need to re-read my post
You need to re-read my post AND read the article. I was talking about a "balanced budget AMENDMENT" to the constitution, not any specific budget.
Hey Mark, FYI: did you know
Hey Mark, FYI: did you know that republicans, yes republicans, submitted a balanced budget amendment just last week that garnered very little support from democrats? (3/5s vote required for constitutional amendments) We should be hearing about this one on all stations but we're not.....
How about we just say "some" republicans spend foolishly?
--> http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-18/politics/politics_balanced-budget-ame...
Maybe it's time for oil
Maybe it's time for oil dealers to start dealing in natural gas as well...???
Actually Robert, it starts
Actually Robert, it starts with YOU contacting your representative! Legislators don't usually just sit around and make laws up out of the blue. They usually write a bill based upon a request from a constituent or another person with interest......
** DISCLAIMER: Note I said "don't usually" meaning, "not always"! Sometimes they might! **
Here's another "purple frog"
Here's another "purple frog" for you Bob. The article clearly states his job was done and he voluntarily resigned....but you, in your permanent denial, can't see it........because you choose not to.
That's it? Amateur........
That's it? Amateur........
My original post had nothing
My original post had nothing to do with jobs. My second post did and that was to offset your previous post speaking only of jobs lost. I leveled the field that's all.
That info I linked you to is far from propaganda. It is a coop effort between the federal government and state governments to provide the most accurate info possible. You liberals are funny, I could put a purple frog in front of you and you would deny it was purple simply because it was placed there by a conservative.
You hit the nail on the head
You hit the nail on the head Ed, Ron Paul has half a brain. That said, I know it's going to be a tough battle over the next year but if republicans rally behind the candidate chosen it can definitely be done. The key word is "rally"......many republicans I have spoken to have told me that no matter who they are hoping for now, the candidate on the ticket is getting their vote at the general election.
They all have good ideas and they all have downfalls. The one that can overcome his or her downfalls best will win. Hell, I even know a few democrats that will be supporting a republican this time around, unless of course the democratic party decides to give Obama the boot as well and promote a new candidate.....fat chance though.
Where do you get your "data"
Where do you get your "data" from Bob? You can't just count the jobs lost without counting the jobs gained, the difference is a net gain.....unemployment in Maine dropped two tenths from September to October.....November isn't finished yet but we'll see how it does soon enough.
Here --> http://www.maine.gov/labor/cwri/laus.html
I believe there is a very
I believe there is a very good chance we're gonna hear some disappointed liberals on here in another year.......
What does our governor have
What does our governor have to do with "national leadership"? ......But on that note, our governor has indeed brought in jobs, with both existing companies and even got one to come back from India and repatriate to Lewiston.
It all goes hand in hand
It all goes hand in hand Roland.......our economy right now isn't the best place to start a new or move a business into. It's going to take some BIG carrots to convince them the expense of a move to re-patriot will be worth it. One of those BIG carrots has to be a new national leader and that is coming in another year.
Parrot for dinner?
Parrot for dinner?
Cranberries and apples just
Cranberries and apples just go together.......a little vodka doesn't hurt either!
actually, this references the
actually, this references the victims.....not the predators
According to RAINN Sexual
According to RAINN
Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported.1
Males are the least likely to report a sexual assault, though they make up about 10% of all victims.1
What happens to Rapists When They are Caught and Prosecuted?
60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police, according to a statistical average of the past 5 years.2 Those rapists, of course, never spend a day in prison. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 6% of rapists ever serve a day in jail.
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
PS: 10% is ten times more than 1%.....
Who uses the "Oxford
Who uses the "Oxford Dictionary"?
Merriam Webster
trav·es·ty noun
plural trav·es·ties
[count] : something that is shocking, upsetting, OR ridiculous because it is not what it is supposed to be
Eg from Webster: It is a travesty and a tragedy that so many people would be denied the right to vote.
Eg from me: It is a travesty and a tragedy that so many people would be denied the right to safety.
Webster's dictionary specifically for those learning english: -> travesty
My how soon you forget Ann as
My how soon you forget Ann as I did indeed say it was a "travesty"......
It turns out, you're not as
It turns out, you're not as dead tired as you thought. Thank you for the correction!
Ann, you said: "Now, you are
Ann, you said: "Now, you are telling me I must be a different person, if I am in Maine."..... you are very wrong. My words are still up there for all to clearly see that I did not say anything of that sort.
you also said: "no one that responded to me wanted to hear the truth about, "violent sexual abuse"."...also wrong. We want to hear the WHOLE truth and not just the side that affects you.
I am sorry you believe all Americans are the same but I am willing to bet MOST of America would wholeheartedly argue that one with great success. My whole point from the beginning was that you can not write a letter to appeal to folks in Boston and expect that exact same letter to have the same effect with folks in Maine......or California, or Florida and so on.......etc, etc..
Anyone that is out to "convince" or "entice" uses sales techniques. Just like I must understand my customers to be effective, you as a writer, must understand your audience.
I'm sorry you don't
I'm sorry you don't understand and I'm sorry I wore out an experienced "LTE writer" in only a few short paragraphs. I can assure you, we all believe it is a travesty, sex crimes against children, women, AND men......we could easily simply say "Sex crimes" is the travesty. Men are abused as well, and the travesty about that is men have no where to turn for support.....many go unreported.
On another note, I am in sales. I sell all over Maine and I can assure you, the techniques I use in Maine may not work in Boston and the techniques our reps use in Boston may not work in Maine. Two very different people! When you are trying to raise awareness, you are yourself "selling", selling an idea or a belief. You would have made a much bigger "sale" in Maine had you included men in your letter. Truth IS truth.....
Yes, the hidden message.
Yes, the hidden message. Re-read your letter leaving out all the gender specific references and then tell me if the responses would have been different. I am willing to bet they would have been more supportive, which is really what you were after isn't it?
Ann, the hidden message in
Ann, the hidden message in the responses is: your message would have been much stronger had you not left out the minority situations....... activism 101
classic response Riml! You
classic response Riml! You were bound to say something I can agree with eventually.....
Statistics can only come from
Statistics can only come from reported incidences.......as a boy, I can remember fantasizing about one of my female teachers. I must admit, had she made advances on me I would have never said a thing. Boys and men think very different than girls and women. For some reason, among high school age kids anyway, it is acceptable for a boy to "score" with an older woman......yes, high school boys want that. It's in our genes! It doesn't work that way for girls. I do not believe that 99:1 percent ratio is accurate. I believe it only represents those incidents actually reported........ just my 2 cents
I may be the one to have
I may be the one to have heard wrong, but let's face it. That isn't exactly a landslide in the state's second most populated city.
Democrats have always
Democrats have always supported the poor....with our money! Conservative thinking breeds success and success brings wealth. It is evident in every industry.....
They didn't "let it
They didn't "let it fail".....the voters "took it down"...even in Lewiston!
Irregardless of what side of
Irregardless of what side of the issue you are on or even what the issue is. If we don't want to lose something we have then it is up to ALL of us to make sure it isn't abused. All it takes is a few to ruin it for all. I am willing to bet, in the future (well, the immediate future anyways because complacency will set in) both parties will scrutinize the process better and report anything "fishy". It is up to all of us, on both sides, to protect the integrity of our elections by reporting any abuse, even if it is by our own party.
third party groups that
third party groups that believe they are "helping the cause" sometimes take out their own adds. This can send mixed messages. That is what he is referring to.
all this means now is the
all this means now is the process will be scrutinized more closely in an effort to keep this question from coming back. Those that felt their rights were being taken away this time will be more vigilant in future elections so as not to "lose their rights" down the road. All it takes is a few cheaters to ruin it for all. Don't let it happen. If you see it, say something......
We're going to find, both sides scrutinizing the process in the future.
you may want to tell the
you may want to tell the administration in Washington to "live in the now" and stop blaming the past.
I agree with you
I agree with you wholeheartedly David! Very childish reaction! But then again, Larry Gilbert could afford to behave in that manner right? After all, he's all done! I find it hard to believe that in Maine's second most populated city, they can not attract the business they need.......maybe, just maybe it was the leadership that failed Lewiston and NOT the voters!
The idea of a casino is to bring revenue from OUTSIDE the area. It is tourism. Some parts of this state depend on tourism and some do not and should not. Lewiston, with it's population, should NOT need to depend on tourism to pull them back up.
and PS Riml, you did bite, at
and PS Riml, you did bite, at 10:04 this morning! ;)
Oh Riml, you've had almost 48
Oh Riml, you've had almost 48 hours to come up with a good spin and this is the best you can do? You're slipping! I had responded to your words: "39% of Mainers were crazy enough to vote for LePage....".....therefore, it was you that made this into a "minority vote" issue. Your very words are right there for all to see. Can't deny that........
I am aware of that and i
I am aware of that and i don't have a problem with it, as I don't think any party should have full control. Heather Graham? Hmmm.....you can have her feet, I'll take what's left! <--- surely you agree THAT deserves an exclamation point?!
considering it happened
considering it happened during the first two years (after which the Reagan recovery took hold) and democrats are allowed to blame the last administration for everything that has happened during the first THREE years of the Obama administration, sure I'll use that.
For what it's worth, I'm not angry at Obama as he is doing exactly what I expected him to do. I'm just disappointed at all the people that voted for him for the wrong reasons even after conservatives warned that this is what would happen.
Another funny one!
Another funny one! Conservatives have not been allowed to blame the democrat controlled congress for screwing with he last two years of GW's term (you know, when the economy really started to go to shit!) but they can blame the republican controlled congress for Obama's failure to lead us out of it. Obama may have inherited two wars but he made the choice to keep ALL of GW's command in place (you know, the guys that actually FOUND Bin Laden) and he made the choice NOT to pull out as he PROMISED his supporters he would....not to mention the MANY other campaign promises he made to YOU that he broke.
China has been playing their games and using us for decades under many presidents. That's not going to change for anyone...unless of course we elect someone that will put his foot down but be prepared for public outrage on that one.
Afghanistan will probably never be "won" in a democratic viewpoint because Afghans don't want it! Not from us, not from anyone.
I will never blame Obama for all this mess.....much of it goes back decades, but to tell conservatives that we have have a poor model (Reagan) while you all are kissing the feet of Obama is ridiculously absurd! It doesn't lend credence to anything more you say.
and your very own words: "Or
and your very own words: "Or do you have 15 paragraphs debunking those facts?" confirm I did exactly that!
It never ceases to amaze me
It never ceases to amaze me at how you liberals like to start a battle about something specific and when your "facts" are torn apart, you simply try to keep the battle going with other subjects completely unrelated to what you used to start the battle in the first place..........
At the time, the Taliban was
At the time, the Taliban was the lesser of two evils. Everyone on the free world would agree to that. We were in the cold war against RUSSIA, not Afghanistan!
A hike here, a decrease there
A hike here, a decrease there all in all lead to overall DECREASES. Sometimes it's just a matter of moving it around but at the end of the day, what he did WORKED! What Obama is doing is NOT WORKING! Those are two facts nobody can deny, not even you!
Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics:
Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures, Peter Ferrara
President Reagan campaigned on an explicitly articulated, four-point economic program to reverse this slow motion collapse of the American economy:
1. Cut tax rates to restore incentives for economic growth, which was implemented first with a reduction in the top income tax rate of 70% down to 50%, and then a 25% across-the-board reduction in income tax rates for everyone. The 1986 tax reform then reduced tax rates further, leaving just two rates, 28% and 15%.
2. Spending reductions, including a $31 billion cut in spending in 1981, close to 5% of the federal budget then, or the equivalent of about $175 billion in spending cuts for the year today. In constant dollars, nondefense discretionary spending declined by 14.4% from 1981 to 1982, and by 16.8% from 1981 to 1983. Moreover, in constant dollars, this nondefense discretionary spending never returned to its 1981 level for the rest of Reagan’s two terms! Even with the Reagan defense buildup, which won the Cold War without firing a shot, total federal spending declined from a high of 23.5% of GDP in 1983 to 21.3% in 1988 and 21.2% in 1989. That’s a real reduction in the size of government relative to the economy of 10%.
3. Anti-inflation monetary policy restraining money supply growth compared to demand, to maintain a stronger, more stable dollar value.
4. Deregulation, which saved consumers an estimated $100 billion per year in lower prices. Reagan’s first executive order, in fact, eliminated price controls on oil and natural gas. Production soared, and aided by a strong dollar the price of oil declined by more than 50%.
These economic policies amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.
During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.
The shocking rise in inflation during the Nixon and Carter years was reversed. Astoundingly, inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%. It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%, never to be heard from again until recently. The contractionary, tight-money policies needed to kill this inflation inexorably created the steep recession of 1981 to 1982, which is why Reagan did not suffer politically catastrophic blame for that recession.
Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years. The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak. The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade.
In The End of Prosperity, supply side guru Art Laffer and Wall Street Journal chief financial writer Steve Moore point out that this Reagan recovery grew into a 25-year boom, with just slight interruptions by shallow, short recessions in 1990 and 2001. They wrote:
We call this period, 1982-2007, the twenty-five year boom–the greatest period of wealth creation in the history of the planet. In 1980, the net worth–assets minus liabilities–of all U.S. households and business … was $25 trillion in today’s dollars. By 2007, … net worth was just shy of $57 trillion. Adjusting for inflation, more wealth was created in America in the twenty-five year boom than in the previous two hundred years.
What is so striking about Obamanomics is how it so doggedly pursues the opposite of every one of these planks of Reaganomics. Instead of reducing tax rates, President Obama is committed to raising the top tax rates of virtually every major federal tax. As already enacted into current law, in 2013 the top two income tax rates will rise by nearly 20%, counting as well Obama’s proposed deduction phase-outs.
The capital gains tax rate will soar by nearly 60%, counting the new Obamacare taxes going into effect that year. The total tax rate on corporate dividends would increase by nearly three times. The Medicare payroll tax would increase by 62% for the nation’s job creators and investors. The death tax rate would go back up to 55%. In his 2012 budget and his recent national budget speech, President Obama proposes still more tax increases.
Instead of coming into office with spending cuts, President Obama’s first act was a nearly $1 trillion stimulus bill. In his first two years in office he has already increased federal spending by 28%, and his 2012 budget proposes to increase federal spending by another 57% by 2021.
His monetary policy is just the opposite as well. Instead of restraining the money supply to match money demand for a stable dollar, slaying an historic inflation, we have QE1 and QE2 and a steadily collapsing dollar, arguably creating a historic reflation.
And instead of deregulation we have across-the-board re-regulation, from health care to finance to energy, and elsewhere. While Reagan used to say that his energy policy was to “unleash the private sector,” Obama’s energy policy can be described as precisely to leash the private sector in service to Obama’s central planning “green energy” dictates.
As a result, while the Reagan recovery averaged 7.1% economic growth over the first seven quarters, the Obama recovery has produced less than half that at 2.8%, with the last quarter at a dismal 1.8%. After seven quarters of the Reagan recovery, unemployment had fallen 3.3 percentage points from its peak to 7.5%, with only 18% unemployed long-term for 27 weeks or more. After seven quarters of the Obama recovery, unemployment has fallen only 1.3 percentage points from its peak, with a postwar record 45% long-term unemployed.
Previously the average recession since World War II lasted 10 months, with the longest at 16 months. Yet today, 40 months after the last recession started, unemployment is still 8.8%, with America suffering the longest period of unemployment that high since the Great Depression. Based on the historic precedents America should be enjoying the second year of a roaring economic recovery by now, especially since, historically, the worse the downturn, the stronger the recovery. Yet while in the Reagan recovery the economy soared past the previous GDP peak after six months, in the Obama recovery that didn’t happen for three years. Last year the Census Bureau reported that the total number of Americans in poverty was the highest in the 51 years that Census has been recording the data.
Moreover, the Reagan recovery was achieved while taming a historic inflation, for a period that continued for more than 25 years. By contrast, the less-than-half-hearted Obama recovery seems to be recreating inflation, with the latest Producer Price Index data showing double-digit inflation again, and the latest CPI growing already half as much.
These are the reasons why economist John Lott has rightly said, “For the last couple of years, President Obama keeps claiming that the recession was the worst economy since the Great Depression. But this is not correct. This is the worst “recovery” since the Great Depression.”
However, the Reagan Recovery took off once the tax rate cuts were fully phased in. Similarly, the full results of Obamanomics won’t be in until his historic, comprehensive tax rate increases of 2013 become effective. While the Reagan Recovery kicked off a historic 25-year economic boom, will the opposite policies of Obamanomics, once fully phased in, kick off 25 years of economic stagnation, unless reversed?
If you were a regular reader
If you were a regular reader of these blogs you'd know that it is even MORE fun and trendy for certain folks on the left to blame the Governor for jobs not coming fast enough for their liking. (faster than even possible of course)........it's funny, If Carbonite had "backed out", those certain leftists would certainly and wholeheartedly blame Governor LePage. They would be all over this story like flies on crap pointing their fingers at our current leader. Hence the "insert crickets" comment. For some reason, those folks are not touching this story.......except you, but you're new so I'll go easy on you for now. Let's see what you've got.
So tell me Mike, maybe you can shed some light. Why do the leftists here in Maine blame the governor when something doesn't work to their liking, but not give credit when something does??
Common sense tells anyone
Common sense tells anyone with ANY business experience, that this market can not sustain 5 casinos!.....not yet anyway. Allowing a "free for all" would mean certain collapse of the industry.
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INSERT {{CRICKETS CHIRPING}} HERE
He's only one who's time is
He's only one who's time is just about up and he puts his pants on one leg at a time just like you an I.
Actually Frank, there WAS
Actually Frank, there WAS real action not too long ago when the state senate passed the ban and it was signed by our Governor........
Contrary to liberal beliefs,
Contrary to liberal beliefs, LePage is not out to piss people off. He's a common sense conservative and his stance on this issue is only common sense. There are a LOT of people in those three towns that do NOT want more casinos so I suspect, although he may have pissed off a few, he hasn't pissed off as many as you might think.
Imagine that! Not only new
Imagine that! Not only new jobs in Maine, but actually coming from OUTSIDE of the country into Maine! Thank you Baldacci!.....Oh, wait a minute, I got that wrong! He's not in office anymore.... hmm...just who do we owe thanks for these and the many other new jobs we've seen here this year??
error: "Liberal Rule: When
error: "Liberal Rule: When you CAN'T win a debate, throw out an insult and extricate yourself."
Wow Riml, I'm impressed! That
Wow Riml, I'm impressed! That was such a well thought out articulate response, I'm gonna give it to you by not clicking "disagree"......normally you'd have a slew spun of "data" and "testimony" in your response but you clam right up on this one......why is that??
Liberal Rule: When you can win a debate, throw out an insult and extricate yourself.
and 38% were crazy enough to
and 38% were crazy enough to vote for Baldaci, that argument is moot, get off it. ......you liberals should be happy he won with 39% vote. After all, that is what made it so easy for you all to get the peoples veto. Had he won with 70%, you'd still be hunting for signatures!
You're funny Tony. I remember
You're funny Tony. I remember not too long ago, democrats in Farmington were in an outrage because republicans rented all the buses and parked them in a lot so they couldn't be used. Students still voted, democrats just couldn't bus em in like they usually do......remember? It was all over the news!! The liberal media made sure of that!
That works....
That works....
David, conservatives are not
David, conservatives are not complaining about the cuts, we are complaining about Terry implying that this is all LePage's fault..........with him and Dan, blaming republicans seems to be a natural "knee jerk" response without all the facts.....
which term? The "go to he**"
which term? The "go to he**" or the name calling "tea baggers"?
Hey Pirate, look! It's the
Hey Pirate, look! It's the illusive "sensible democrat"! Kudos Frank, for having the courage to speak your mind even if it goes against the "party grain"!
BS argument Jason... If it's
BS argument Jason... If it's available, it will be used by all. Those very same republicans will NOT feel disenfranchised with a same day ban. They will register two days earlier and not cry about it. This "list" you have is proof that the intent behind the ban has nothing to do with simply disenfranchising voters. They've obviously used same day registration and have seen the holes themselves making their opinion even more valid, they are experienced!.....nice try though. Epic fail!
Oh Pirate, I wish you hadn't
Oh Pirate, I wish you hadn't used that helmet/seat belt comparison! They are two totally different birds. While I support choice on BOTH issues, there is a good argument on seat belt use that is hard to debate. They help to keep the driver in his seat and in control of the vehicle in the event of contact with another object.....which in turn keeps those around you safe. A helmet affects ONLY the rider.
There is a very good reason why we have to wear seat belts even though I don't have to wear my helmet. Motorcyclists have been defending our right to choose since the 70s on this issue. When the seat belt bill was submitted, drivers sat on their hands and did nothing so the argument that we should wear helmets just to make it "fair" to the drivers wearing seat belts is bogus and unfair to us. If you want it to be "fair" then I suggest drivers speak up and put in the time and effort we have for decades.
That's how it works. If you don't like a law, you can speak out and change it but it's best to do it BEFORE the bill is signed. In the event the bill is signed without your knowledge (because you are not paying attention) Maine is one of only 20 or 21 states that allows a peoples veto. In the event you want to initiate a peoples veto on a law in Maine, all you need to do is collect signatures in the amount of approximately 1/3 of the votes that got the sitting governor into office. As much as I hate to say this, it has not required very many under this OR the last governor. So to all those 61%ers out there, be careful for what you wish because a governor elected with a higher percentage of votes makes it harder for anyone to file a peoples veto! It will make it harder for you to change something you don't like!!!
As much as I disagree with the group trying to reinstates same day registration, they are doing a better job at effecting change than drivers did with seat belts. They are doing it right......
He won't do that Paul,
He won't do that Paul, because it will probably destroy his social circles.......
have you been listening to
have you been listening to the crap your "flea baggers" are saying????.......
Excellent comparison Gary!
Excellent comparison Gary!
Your second paragraph is not
Your second paragraph is not only untrue, but irresponsible!
Writer says: "In 2009, a
Writer says: "In 2009, a nation cried “no” to a “stimulus” and watched as politics caused unemployment to skyrocket".....keyword here is "AND". The writer does not state that the stimulus CAUSED the unemployment as you have claimed in your rebuttal. Only that two things happened.
Those 1.6 million jobs were NOT "net jobs"....we continued to lose jobs at the same time. The unemployment rate continued to climb. Moot.....
In "right to work" states, employees can choose NOT to pay union dues so that 3.2% difference is now moot as well.
actually, LOL I meant 86 of
actually, LOL I meant 86 of them!
all 134 of them!
all 134 of them!
and if yours is that because
and if yours is that because a few "loose cannon" republicans use fear tactics means we all do, then I reject it also. Get my point now?
Amen!
Amen!
Here's a short video about
Here's a short video about fear mongering... --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae9EJ6i7MvU
Damn republican fear mongers! ooops......wait a minute.
"the only person who can rob
"the only person who can rob you of your right to vote is you." .....words to live by!
and let us not forget, just
and let us not forget, just this past week the American Communist Party has thrown their support behind the "flea baggers" and their OWS protests......and he wants people to believe Tea Par-tiers are communist??
--->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avG4LgTF0ho
Probably much the same way
Probably much the same way the "other side" bags fleas!
Liberals like to claim
Liberals like to claim "deprivation" because it scares their very own.........pretty sad they have to scare people into supporting them.....Just ask Joe Biden --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX46sbLhjQI
http://dailycaller.com/2011/1
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/24/former-dem-congressman-makes-u-turn-on...
It isn't just the right your
It isn't just the right your fighting -->> http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/24/former-dem-congressman-makes-u-turn-on...
The free market IS working
The free market IS working and he can't stop it, if he'd just keep his damn fingers out of it, it would work faster!
We will ALL be voting very
We will ALL be voting very soon.......
and you WILL NOT be alone
and you WILL NOT be alone Bruce.... God bless America!
I knew it! Deep down, you
I knew it! Deep down, you want everyone to be republicans!
I don't think we could even
I don't think we could even make a RINO out of him.......
Amen Joe....
Amen Joe....
Ah, Dan is back. I got my
Ah, Dan is back. I got my "disagree"......
Amen Ed!
Amen Ed!
Wow, speaking of
Wow, speaking of "smokescreen"!
Tony, if you believe
Tony, if you believe republicans are "all about money" than you are really not paying attention to EITHER party.
All though I am all for doing
All though I am all for doing what we can to get new business to come to Maine, I have to say it is pretty bad when businesses move around just to get federal grants! Get off the government teat!
It goes BOTH ways
It goes BOTH ways Tony.....
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fontana-ca/TD0NHV6022C208HF3
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/07/29/despite-what-d...
http://americanmajority.org/vote-fraud/democrats-voter-fraud-for-thee-bu...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25349
Obviously I can not reach out
Obviously I can not reach out and rip your blinders off. You'll have to do that yourself........someday maybe, but doubtful.
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As usual, Dan is speaking
As usual, Dan is speaking through the wrong orifice.....
Roger, both parties have
Roger, both parties have strayed from their core beliefs and the only way to fix them is to hold your ground and help pull the party back to where it belongs. Get active, invite friends, flood the party with new blood to water down the old. "Republican" or "democrat" are just words on a registration card that anyone can use. Conservatism and liberalism come from the heart and can't be faked. Those that claim to be a "liberal republican" or a "conservative democrat" are either in denial, confused, or simply don't have to courage to stop the change........
Dan is just out for his usual
Dan is just out for his usual midnight "troll" looking for an argument as usual.....best just to ignore him.
I do pay attention. Nobody
I do pay attention. Nobody wants a trade war right now, not republicans or democrats. It could devastate the US economy. China has us by the balls financially and if you are listening, most republicans (and most Americans) do believe something should be done in the way of China's unfair practices. It is a delicate matter that could easily turn into an "act of war" if we are not calculated in our actions......pay the bill off first, then piss of the lender if need be.
The tax cuts will work if
The tax cuts will work if Obama stops the overspending!
It never ceases to amaze me
It never ceases to amaze me Dan, how when you don't have a valid argument, you simply change the subject of said argument and think you've won. I think that's in the "Bible of Liberalism", in the first chapter, because you liberals do it all the time. The "blame Bush" excuse doesn't have near as much strength as it did 3 years ago, today's economy is owned by Obama. Obama has already spent more in three years than Bush did in all eight combined........where's that taking us??
Clem, you would think.....but
Clem, you would think.....but Obama has other motives that will no go away until we fire his ass.
12 years huh?? You mean the
12 years huh?? You mean the bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003? Either you failed math, or really haven't been paying attention, or maybe your just lying as you accuse everyone else?? It amazes me you blame what is going on today on Bush's tax cuts.....you know, the ones your messiah opted to extend. How about we discuss spending between the two??
Dan if you call what the
Dan if you call what the Obama administration is attempting to do "moving forward" then you, my friend, need to turn around because you're in your seat backwards.........
Actually Gary, a certain
Actually Gary, a certain conservative news station HAS indeed talked about our manufacturing going overseas many times. You gotta watch them all to get the whole story.
Responsible voters don't put
Responsible voters don't put voting in their "I'll get around to it" category. Registering to vote is not a "chore". It is something to be done with pride. It is something to keep a high level of priority on. If they can fit all those other things into their busy schedules, they can take a minute to register too.
Responsible voters never have to go "out of our way" to register because doing so is never "out of our way".
Dan? A moderate?? and you
Dan? A moderate?? and you want to be taken seriously after publishing a LIE like that??
and President Obama is from
and President Obama is from Chicago......we all know how politics plays out there....
and I will vote "no" to
and I will vote "no" to protect the integrity of my vote.
and if Democrats hadn't let
and if Democrats hadn't let their "buffoon" run, maybe we'd all be bitXXXX about Cutler instead.
There is nothing wrong with
There is nothing wrong with letting you know what their views are. It's when a news agency only allows one side of the story to be told is when there is a problem. Fox News, although a conservative news agency, does allow both sides of the story be told.......I can not say that for some of the liberal stations.
that 42 out of 50 states
that 42 out of 50 states already have......for a reason.
Yes, those 19 students were
Yes, those 19 students were deemed to be legal in that case, but it took a few days to uncover that didn't it? Their votes were already tallied, results already official. That is all the new law does, it give us a couple days to verify any "suspect" registrations. To quell any "red flags". Most states have had problems with same day registrations and we would be naive to think it isn't or can't happen here. The best fraud is NEVER detected but still must be prevented......
That said, a responsible voter never has to go "out of their way" to register, because registering is never "out of their way". When you move to a new town, you change your address, you change your phone number, you register your kids at the new school.....AND you register to vote. Protecting the process form fraud or even "perceived" fraud, protects MY vote, it protects MY voice and it will protect YOURS too.
case in point....
case in point....
Your absolutely right Ernest!
Your absolutely right Ernest! I was debating because of his insistence on needing to use his phone while driving. Not because I feel it is only truckers. I made this same argument on an article earlier this week. Here --> http://www.sunjournal.com/comment/84770##comment-84770
Dan, he's working with other
Dan, he's working with other states (like most are, even the democrat governed ones) to prevent people from claiming in multiple states. Go back to bed!
Naa....peaches are too cute
Naa....peaches are too cute and fuzzy! I'm thinking prune.
For many people, serving on a
For many people, serving on a jury is a duty and an honor and they have no interest in "getting out of it".
Mr. King, ever see what a big
Mr. King, ever see what a big truck can do to a motorcyclist?
The key word there is "some".
The key word there is "some". There will always be "some" "government cover up" activists no matter what. Look at 9-11.....
War is never
War is never kind.....anywhere.
Imagine the outcome had the
Imagine the outcome had the Japs given us 6 months notice before attacking Pearl Harbor? What would we have done?? Oh I don't know, maybe prepare for them??
Yes, the "reliable" source of
Yes, the "reliable" source of the intel was Sadam himself. He admitted to keeping the rumor of his WMD alive in order to "protect" his people from Iran and keep him in power.......they hung him about a week later. --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB-bsoywWEg
That's a silly comparison
That's a silly comparison Jason! The last thing I'd want is for a gun manufacturer to "lock up" my gun at the very moment I need it most.
but he didn't because once he
but he didn't because once he got to office, he was "educated" of the facts.
Our republican congress has
Our republican congress has no problem standing up to our Democrat president. Grow some balls.
Dan seems to forget the huge
Dan seems to forget the huge spike in national debt. on Bush's watch took place during the last two years. He also seems to forget that the president doesn't hold the purse strings, congress does. Who controlled congress during those last two years?? Who controlled it during Obuma's first two when we broke the all time record for a single year increase in national debt? Which party??
What your basically saying
What your basically saying Jason is instead of punishing the person driving irresponsibly you'd rather put the responsibility upon the manufacturer?
No Dan, they'd be a hypocrite
No Dan, they'd be a hypocrite if they cried about not being able to do it.........
Just because they registered
Just because they registered on voting day once 30 years ago doesn't mean squat. Warren Buffet says he should pay more taxes too but unless he is required to it'll be a cold day in hell before he does. If they had to do it 2 days beforehand back then, they would have.
A responsible voter is ALWAYS registered. We don't have to go "out of our way" because registering to vote is NEVER out of our way........
Sometimes you just need to
Sometimes you just need to give them enough leash to hang themselves. Then they'll learn the lesson and the whole argument of outsourcing will be moot. Maybe taking the hit that we have over the last few decades is what we needed to wake us up? We learn from pain.
You're right Al. Our
You're right Al. Our "distracted while driving" law is a perfect example of how subjectivity can turn a well meaning bill into a bad law. Everyone's definition of "distracted" is different and if you get stopped by an officer that didn't make it to DD before the Boston Cremes are gone, then his definition might differ slightly than the days when he is in a better mood. Subjectivity in a law causes anger and frustration for both sides of the issue. To pass a "no cellphone use" bill it must have support of legislators and law enforcement. Now a sneaky legislator could possibly push one through as a "health bill" with emergency status and possibly avoid the transportation committee but that is a far stretch.
believe it or not, "stupid"
believe it or not, "stupid" is too subjective and using that term would lead to a bad bill and possibly a bad law. Legislators like real numbers and black and white.....unless of course, they are pushing a bill through, that they want, quietly without wanting any of the public to know about it. Then they do it quickly without much thought and use subjectivity to their advantage.
Part of passing a motor
Part of passing a motor vehicle law is it has to be reviewed by the transportation committee and that includes the state police.......who, by the way, use their cell phones for communicating quite frequently. I see it firsthand all the time and they'll be speeding to boot.
For you argumentative liberals, and you know who you are. I am NOT justifying the use of cell phones while driving. Do not even attempt to spin my words. I am an active participant in motorcycle rights issues and cell phones are indeed my enemy. I am saying, it is tough to enforce any law when law enforcement ignores it themselves. The old expression: "do as I say, not as I do" does not apply. For a cell phone ban to truly be effective, law enforcement and our legislators (and their hired help) has to hang up as well. If you were one of those, would you support a bill that made your job tougher? Will those that we are asking to pass a bill be willing to support it as well?
"fin't"??
"fin't"??
This story is over 2 hours
This story is over 2 hours old and still no comment from the peanut gallery? Still in shock maybe, that there could possibly be a republican that cares about education?? {{ insert crickets chirping }}
If you want to soar like an
If you want to soar like an eagle, you hang with eagles not turkeys!
According to the NTSB, about
According to the NTSB, about 82% of all motorcycle accidents involve a motorist not yielding right of way to a motorcycle claiming they "didn't see him". (because they weren't paying attention) Most of these accidents involve a car or truck taking a left hand turn in front of an oncoming motorcycle and many involve a car or truck pulling out in front of a motorcycle. As far as me talking less and acting more, well you just don't know me. Actions do speak louder than words and I am indeed acting. Motorcycle accidents make the headlines because they happen less often than cars much like plane crashes and the media RARELY mentions the true reason for the accident. They only mention what the rider could have done to prevent his injury and never the illegal action of the motorist that actually CAUSED the accident. (not referring to the article above)
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I agree Robert!
I agree Robert!
According to the National
According to the National Safety Council, over 2.5 million rear end collisions are reported every year, making them the most common type of automobile accident. With roughly 6 million automobile accidents each year that is a rate of about 41.6% that are rear enders while the rate of rear enders for motorcycles in Maine is about 27%
Drivers of ALL vehicles need
Drivers of ALL vehicles need to pay attention! There really is NO excuse for rear ending anyone but based on today,s article here -> http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/1093048 it is obvious our law enforcement and legislators recognize that car drivers don't pay attention either and simply asking them to do so wasn't enough.
Nobody is blaming you for
Nobody is blaming you for "looking out for the kids"......that's not a bad thing. You said: "I see that you don't like parents using words like "our children" in the argument." Well, that isn't exactly what was said! The problem I have is any time I vote against anything I am accused of hating a group of people affected. This time my very own children! It is asinine and insulting.....then they turn around and ask us to support their cause. I sell for a living and the last thing I do when I want rapport with someone is insult them. In this day, we have to question all expenditures of our tax monies. It would be irresponsible if we didn't. I tell my children the truth and if the money isn't there for a specific program then the money isn't there.
There are only 4 people in the entire world that know what's best for my family. My wife, two kids, and myself.
I believe you've used the
I believe you've used the term "tired cliches" quite a few times in the last 24 hours. Is that a new "cliche" for you?
If you want to convince us to
If you want to convince us to support the budget, might I suggest you avoid using our children in an attempt to make us feel guilty........
Might I suggest that you
Might I suggest that you carry a change of clothes and a bucket around with you then........
Not a good comparison Jason,
Not a good comparison Jason, Clinton didn't screw us quite like Obama has.
I've always believed Obama
I've always believed Obama chose Biden as his running mate to serve as his "insurance policy"! We be going from the pan to the fire if Joe took over!
Who the hell needs a
Who the hell needs a teleprompter at a Q&A?? They ask the questions and he answers them.....no cue cards needed there.
"You guys rarely read my
"You guys rarely read my posts, you just use your FOX News rebuttal, even if it doesn't fit the topic." and you think racism fit this topic??
It isn't about the 34
It isn't about the 34 dollars. It's about putting our government on a budget just like we have to do at home. This budget was padded right from the start because they knew it would meet resistance.
So next year when that
So next year when that $560,000 in stimulus funds, included in this budget, is gone we can blame the Obama administration for depriving our children of a proper education? Do you not think schools should teach responsibility as well?
Fiscal responsibility will be
Fiscal responsibility will be key in building a strong foundation for our children and their children and their children's children.......
Don't feel bad! Someone out
Don't feel bad! Someone out there loves you!
In that case, I have no
In that case, I have no problem admitting that I don't give any funds to the democratic party! :)......I guess that means you don't matter to me right!?
Yeah, they don't like to talk
Yeah, they don't like to talk about 9-11 or Katrina Paul! It wasn't on their watch.
I think that's liberal rule
I think that's liberal rule number 3, when you are losing a debate, insult your opponent then extricate yourself. Am I correct David?
Yes they do Dan, that is why
Yes they do Dan, that is why we choose to teach them fiscal responsibility now so they can make wise choices when they are registered to vote..........your comment is typical of a liberal. Liberal rule #5, make you opponent appear to be attacking the young, elderly, or disabled!
Voting on September 3rd??
Voting on September 3rd?? Today is September 8th......
Not only is it not a crime to
Not only is it not a crime to annoy liberals, it can be rather fun too!
Yep...I second that
Yep...I second that David.....
Just because Maine's
Just because Maine's leadership is doing things right, doesn't mean Obama should get credit for it!
So what I am hearing Bob, is
So what I am hearing Bob, is that you WANT to be affiliated with a party, the Independent Party??
I understand your thinking,
I understand your thinking, that's why they call it the "Independent" party. They chose that name to confuse voters like yourself. It doesn't mean you think on your own even though you may. I used to register as "unaffiliated" while I was deciding where my beliefs really were.......
The point I am making Bob,is
The point I am making Bob,is that when you register as an "independant" you are indeed affiliating yourself with a specific party, the Independant Party.....if you do NOT want to be affiliated with any specific party, you must register as "unaffiliated"......
I too, was a Democrat, untill
I too, was a Democrat, untill I started paying attention and asking questions!
It's funny how democrats can
It's funny how democrats can point out that Republicans control the house so it must be our fault but for the last 3 years when we reminded them that democrats controled the house for the last 2 years of the Bush administration, you know, the when the economy went to hell and the first bailout was pushed, they think it's all hogwash. They won't let us use that very same excuse!
I think this writer needs to pay more attention to what's going on and do a bit more research before putting his words in public view.
I have to jump in here Bob.
I have to jump in here Bob. You sound as if you want no party affiliation am I right? Why is it you registered as an "Independant" then? That is a party in itself you know. Many people don't know this, but you CAN register as "unaffiliated" and that would indeed indicate you want no affiliation with any party.
He's right, I've seen it
He's right, I've seen it firsthand. Groups that want to push new federal legislation will try to get Maine or California to pass it first in order to set the precedent. California and Maine are known for our overregulation. If a group wants to pass something federally they simply tie it into health or envirnment and bring it to Maine!
As Mainers it is our responsibility to not only make contact with our representatives but to also keep an eye on the bills being submitted each legislative session and voice our opinion to our representatives, not just our neighbors, if anything concerns us. I do it every year......you can do it too right here --> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/
It's funny, if you watch any
It's funny, if you watch any blogs, whenever politics or government are discussed, you have liberals standing steadfast supporting thier side and you have conservatives standing just as steadfast supporting thier side and things get heated. But when you discuss the "fair tax" things rarely get heated. Questions are asked, answers given and everyone learns a thing or two. Why does this happen? Because a "fair tax" system makes sense that's why! If we want our representatives to grow the brass it takes to make this change, then it is up to us to tell them so or replace them with someone that will!
Define "they" for us
Define "they" for us Linda.....
It really irks me that the
It really irks me that the officer makes it a point to say she wasn't wearing a helmet then goes on to say it wouldn't have made a difference anyway (in the TV interview)......if it wouldn't have made any difference then why even mention it? And why not mention the law that was broken by the driver of the truck....failure to yield right of way? This tragic death had nothing to do with any helmet. It had EVERYTHING to do with pure and simple negligence on the part of the truck driver. I am willing to bet he went home without even a summons, kissed his wife, told her he loved her then sat down in his recliner........
Terry you said: "Thanks for
Terry you said: "Thanks for the insult, you just jumped into the pool of people online who can't help giving their opinion, and insulting others doing the same thing."
Now that's the pot calling the kettle black isn't it!? Take a look at how you started this string.
A student that doesn't want
A student that doesn't want an opportunity like this is probably NOT a college bound student.
Most college bound students
Most college bound students would LOVE the opportunity to earn 2 years worth of college credit during 5 years of high school. But do you know what would answer all your questions for you Terry????.....a task force and a study! If kids don't want to stay another year then they wont have to!
Take off your blinders Terry, open your mind! Learn something new, be innovative!
Spin.......
Joseph, first off, You have to excuse me for taking so long to respond as I was out SELLING in the hot sun to make money so I can pay my fair share of taxes.
Second, I did NOT say he WAS disgruntled, I said he IS disgruntled, meaning "in the present". He is NOW disgruntled. He didn't elaborate in his resignation letter why he was resigning, but he is singing like a songbird to the media now.
Third, I made absolutely NO mention of "liberal", "lib",or even "conservative" for that matter....you did!
Fourth, whether or not I have a "working knowledge" of various sales industries has absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
Fifth, companies let people go EVERY day if their ideology doesn't fit that of the company's mission.....it happens all the time, in the real world that is. Olsen and the administration were simply not a good match.
Last but not least, if your going to try to spin someone's words, you may want to make sure his original words aren't right there for all to read.
Olsen is merely a disgruntled
Olsen is merely a disgruntled employee! He pissed off a group of Mainers and when told to "fix it", said it was impossible. You can't undo almost 40 years of liberal over regulation by thinking the job is "impossible"...when you have an employee that feels his job is impossible, then you replace him.....unless of course he quits beforehand.........
Having my house so close to
Having my house so close to the road with traffic from out of town "passing through" at higher than allowed speeds, this is always a concern for me. Remember folks, if you see a ball enter the roadway, there WILL be a child following it! That's how you must think!
This was a tragic accident for sure...... :(
Now that the public knows
Now that the public knows what tipped off the Walmart employee, the next person to try this will be successful!
Don't know huh??
Don't know huh??
Many great conservatives
Many great conservatives thought they were liberals in the beginning, until they learned a lesson or two -->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh2DeQtVyJM
Unlike the OJ case,
Unlike the OJ case, investigators weren't leaking information. Obviously the jury heard evidence that the rest of us weren't privy to. I can not say if she is guilty or not as I wasn't in the courtroom hearing the case.
That's funny Al, Tell me, why
That's funny Al, Tell me, why do you believe in liberalism?? If you want me to be "saved", sell me........
IF I were a man willing to
IF I were a man willing to abandon my values, I'd expect to get laughed at.....
Another difference.....
Obama: Far left socialist liberal with NO executive experience
Palin: Strong conservative values WITH executive experience
First, I didn't say I'd vote for her BUT If Obama and Palin were the only two choices, Palin would get my vote for sure!
Ooooh, ooooh, I can cite
Ooooh, ooooh, I can cite Obama's executive experience Bob, If I may take this one...... um.... NONE! NADDA! ZIP! ZILCH! NUTTIN HUNNY!!!
Liberal rule #5: When it
Liberal rule #5: When it becomes obvious you will not win a debate, always, and I mean ALWAYS insult your opponent and extricate yourself at once!
You fit the mold like a glove. I never once said anything to indicate that I was or was not "armed" as you put it. I only asked you a question of which you can not answer.
Instead of spitting out drive
Instead of spitting out drive by comments Tony, how about you go a bit deeper and try to convince us that Sarah Palin isn't credible. What exactly is it that makes her "not credible"?? Please, I'd like to know what it is you see that I don't.
That's really a cop out
That's really a cop out answer Al......those that disrespect LePage have made a conscious choice to do so and that has absolutely nothing to to with transparency of government. So I ask you again, what do you believe LePage is hiding??
What do you think he's hiding
What do you think he's hiding Al?
BINGO! When you speak honest
BINGO! When you speak honest words, there should be no reason to hide them!
There is a reason we don't
There is a reason we don't put high school students in with elementary students, why on earth would we want adults there??
Classic scenario......
Most motorcycle accidents happen just this way and the driver of the car or truck usually walks away without being charged. Failure to yield right of way resulting in an accident should hold a much more serious consequence than it currently does! This happened because the SUV driver simply wasn't paying attention.
This article is quite funny
This article is quite funny actually! Ask ANY government official in any town and any state if they get a lot of positive e-mail or letters.......I bet they'll tell you most is negative. Perusing any official's e-mail is like dropping a bucket in a septic tank and complaining about the amount of crap you hauled up! This article is not a fair depiction of the type of support LePage had on this issue.
Based on that chart, if
Based on that chart, if you're looking at it from an "employee" perspective we are right about average, BUT if you look at it from a "business expense" point of view we are indeed at the very high end of the scale.......you have to remember, health care costs are not simply what an employee pays. LePage is looking for ways to bring new business to Maine (and therefore jobs) so it stands to reason he will be looking at the total cost, not just the working man's cost.
If you're going to complain
If you're going to complain about the GOP not backing up their data with facts then throw your own "data" around, should you also be held accountable for any and all facts supporting your claims??
If this rock as such
If this rock as such sentimental value to Pam Puiia, then why not move the rock to HER front yard where she can enjoy it.
funny how a poll from over a
funny how a poll from over a week ago is published right after he signs the insurance overhaul bill. Let us not forget, this bill passed the house AND senate. That means while some people may not like LePage for whatever reason, their state representatives apparently liked the bill!
I always remember Montello
I always remember Montello School being the most fun school I had gone to. Do they still do the annual "Crazy Hat Contest"?
Yes, they need to set an
Yes, they need to set an example with this case for sure!
This is what can happen when
This is what can happen when a market demands the "cheapest price" and a company tries to deliver.......when the going gets tough, the less profitable die off. It's too bad but that's how it works and many people don't think of it until it's too late...like now.
An ounce of prevention is
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The bast fraud is never seen!
Again, the NAACP was implying
Again, the NAACP was implying that LePage, the father of an adopted black son, was a racist. He had every right to tell them to kiss his butt! The reporter interviewing him coaxed him for an aggravated response and that's what he got and now they continue to show that short sound bite out of context making you think he had no reason for it! If you are that regretful of your vote, then you obviously are not really watching what is going on.
"Bills in Augusta mean
"Bills in Augusta mean nothing until the legislature votes on them."
-->> "bills" is where it all starts, you can't change legislation without first submitting a bill.
"Governor LePage is not interested in hearing what real people who have received assistance have to say"
-->> Governor LePage has received assistance himself.......he was homeless when he was a child, remember??
"Follow the social networking sites and see what others are saying about Maine."
-->> Nobody likes change, especially when it affects them. People in Maine that fear those changes are complaining and the media is having a field day with it. Anyone that will "blame Maine" for the words that one man says really aren't a reliable source. There are many people elsewhere in the country that wish they had someone like LePage running their state as well......two sides.
"give tax breaks to the richest and take things away from the working class."
-->> again how? You still didn't answer that from the last post. If you know he is doing this, then you must have read exactly how he is doing it? (and I don't mean on the social network sites, blogs. or news sites)
"They care about the taxes it will cost them, the work force they have to choose from, and the ability to make money."
-->> They do very much care about the business atmosphere as well!
"he is NOT who anyone thought he was."
-->> He is exactly who I thought he was......and many others will say the same. I knew he was going to be a "pistol" but I also knew he would get things done without bowing to special interests. I wanted a governor who wasn't afraid to poke the hornets nest and get stung a few times. That is what Maine needs right now. Someone who isn't afraid to ask the tough questions and make the tough choices. He is still that person. He is keeping his word. I speak to Mainers all over the state 5 days a week, Yes, there are indeed some of his supporters who have changed their but there are also some who didn't support him that have changed their minds also..........some that supported Cutler or Mitchell now are fully supporting LePage.
"the way he has handled things up to now would not be tolerated in the business world if he were the employee."
-->> In most cases you are right, but sometimes business hire a "big gun" to clean house. To make the tough choices that past management didn't have the balls to make and fix the mistakes of previous management. As LePage campaigned, the people he met told him he was being hired to "clean house" and kick butt, in the end, he got the job. I am sure he wasn't expecting them to change their minds after wards. While I would also like him to polish up a bit, I don't want him to lose focus on the job that he is very capable of doing. The one we hired him to do. The one that you will see he is doing if you look past the hupla of the media.
LOl Jeb Jackhammer huh??
LOl Jeb Jackhammer huh?? That's too "porny"!
Amen Josh!
Amen Josh!
His promise to bring jobs to
His promise to bring jobs to Maine is in full effect as we speak! He promised to bring jobs by attracting good new business and to do that we must first remove the "SCRAM" mat from our front door. Steps have been taken to remove the red tape that is stopping businesses from coming here and also scaring current business away. All this must be done through legislation and there is a process involved that takes time no matter who you are.
Let's put the national job numbers in perspective a bit, during the last two years we were losing, at times, 800,000 jobs per month, that 230,000 new jobs you speak of is merely a drop in the bucket and was already anticipated by businesses in the private sector. It is our free market at work! If we can keep Obuma's socialist programs out of the way, that number will take right off!
I suggest you watch this short cartoon that explains the process in which laws are changed in Maine -->> http://www.maine.gov/sos/kids/government/rtml/rtml2005.swf
Then I suggest you monitor the bills being posted almost daily here -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/
Thank you Paul for your GREAT efforts, as promised!
Monitor the bills in Augusta
Monitor the bills in Augusta here -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/
"He is taking from the poor
"He is taking from the poor to give to the rich."
-->> How?
"He says removing the mural is because it's against business when in actuality businesses don't come to Maine because of the high taxes."
-->> He is trying to GET business to come here, but before they will he has to remove the "SCRAM" mat at the door!
"Tourism is a big business in this state and yet when I watch television late at night I see is a mockery being made of our Governor, that is a real big incentive to visit this state.....NOT"
-->> Tourism OWNS us and it shouldn't! It is big because it is all we have, everything else has left or is leaving. We should have good business here offering good jobs. Tourism should be our gravy. We can't depend on it!
"And now he is going on vacation after 3 months on the job..."
-->> Every one I've worked for. If I had a vacation planned already, I told them about it before I started working for them and I took it.
"If Governor LePage was truly interested in the problems in this state he would be staying in Maine"
-->> He is in contact with his office every day. He even responded yesterday to the mural mess the media has created for him.
"I will not support any politician publicly until they show me that he/she is doing what they were elected to do and at this point I do not believe Governor LePage is doing that."
-->> Governor LePage campaigned on the promise of bringing good jobs to Maine by bringing good business to Maine. He said he was going to remove a lot of the "red tape" and he is doing just that. If you monitor the bills being proposed in Augusta, you'd see many that were written to remove red tape from many areas. Making Maine more business friendly is going to take a lot of legislation and that does not happen overnight for anyone, republican OR democrat. There is a process to it. Jobs will come after business comes and business will come after bills are passed to make Maine more attractive to them. He promised good business to provide good jobs and he is indeed working on that. Look beyond the smokescreen the media is creating. Democrats don't want us to see what he is really doing, but it will all come out soon enough!
Take a minute or two and watch this about how bills are passed in Maine -->> http://www.maine.gov/sos/kids/government/rtml/rtml2005.swf
State employees are very
State employees are very lucky then, my employer cut 4% from my retirement.........
A lame duck is an elected
A lame duck is an elected official who is approaching the end of his or her tenure, and especially an official whose successor has already been elected.
LePage still has almost the full four years to go!
Have you run out of
Have you run out of directions to take this? Making up random random stuff??
Not a very good one! I don't
Not a very good one! I don't wear a tie!
GMTA....
Obuma's first campaign add for 2012 -->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VIA5aszzA18
Wonder what Jeb is gonna do??
Wonder what Jeb is gonna do??
and Obuma won a Nobel Peace
and Obuma won a Nobel Peace prize too, "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" and was nominated BEFORE he did anything even close to resembling that, not to mention Yasser Arafat and Nelson Mandela also won the Nobel prize, so that pretty much discredits any awards as far as I'm concerned.......the NYT winning the Pulitzer doesn't mean squat!
There is, Bush ran out of
There is, Bush ran out of time!
It took him over two years to
It took him over two years to do what he should have done in two months! At this point the free market is doing what was expected and rebounding. I don't credit Obuma for ANY job creation!
Regulatory reform, Mark,
Regulatory reform, Mark, takes time! More than 2 months but much less than two years! If you want to see what regulatory reforms are being presented to the legislature, you should monitor the list of bills each and every day. Here -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/
Much of that will come from
Much of that will come from the regulatory reform..........gotta fix the regulations before business will want to come to Maine. Business will bring the jobs we need.
That's his Ron Riml
That's his Ron Riml impression.........you should see him do Nancy Pelosi!
I am very
I am very serious.........what I remember of the last three months is the way liberals and the media have done everything they can to keep the smoke screen up so Mainers don't notice what LePage is really doing for us! It's only been three months and much of the red tape keeping Maine's business atmosphere from improving takes legislation to fix and that takes time no matter who you are. Once republican bills are passed, you'll see results. Yes Tony, I feel GREAT about how things are going!
I am very
I am very serious.........what I remember of the last three months is the way liberals and the media have done everything they can to keep the smoke screen up so Mainers don't notice what LePage is really doing for us! It's only been three months and much of the red tape keeping Maine's business atmosphere from improving takes legislation to fix and that takes time no matter who you are. Once republican bills are passed, you'll see results. Yes Tony, I feel GREAT about how things are going!
That's funny! How many people
That's funny! How many people have you spoken to Sadie? Two?? I work all over Central and Western Maine, from Yarmouth to Clinton, from Woldoboro to Berlin NH and I am getting different results. I've even spoken to quite a few democrats who wish they had supported him on election day...and now do! Look beyond the mural (which means putting the newspaper down) and see what LePage is DOING for us! Comedians are making fun of us, yes, that's what they do! They are comedians, they make fun of Obama too!
We also need more
We also need more conservatives to take part in the newspaper blogs, like this one and and all the others. Not just to "agree" or "disagree" but to actually stand up and be proud to say they are conservative. Wear it like a badge! Post and reply to comments with facts each and every day........
Yeah, because we all know how
Yeah, because we all know how accurate and balanced the New York Times is, so let's do it because they say we should! Hail the New York Times, Mainers are indebted to you for opening our eyes!
Amen Lenny! Amen!
Amen Lenny! Amen!
Gary, it's up to
Gary, it's up to conservatives to start pushing back against the liberal bias in the media and we do that by making sure those important stories stay alive and well!
um.....is this Bush's fault
um.....is this Bush's fault too?
He is listening to the people
He is listening to the people Tina......the people wanted him to cut spending and bring good jobs to Maine! That is what he is trying to focus on but the media keeps nit picking every little "menial" thing. I agree with you Tina, there seems to be a lot of attention on those "menial" things but it isn't LePage that is paying all that attention to them! It is the media and those liberals that are upset about their loss.
Steps must be taken before good jobs can come to Maine. Many good companies have left and many others will not even consider Maine because of the cost of doing business here. (they don't hesitate to go to New Hampshire though so don't blame it on the heating season expenses) When business comes, jobs will come as well! If you want him to live up to what he has promised, then support him publicly and tell the media to stop stretching the truths, don't trash him for the "menial" things the media has chosen to blow out of proportion.
Without business, the "working class" become the "stay at home class" and that won't pay the bills will it?
It was a joke Ron.......you
It was a joke Ron.......you know how the government is, if it ain't broke, fix till it is!
but the little buggers have
but the little buggers have an insatiable appetite!!
Yes, I remember liberal rule #1: debate, debate, debate and when you realize you are losing throw in an insult or personal attack and get the hell out as fast as you can! They don't want to know there is another side to the issues.
-->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyCdfOXvec
LePage isn't the one beating
LePage isn't the one beating the dead horse on this issue. If it weren't for the liberal media pounding this story into our heads day in and day out with absolutely no real new information Maine's "image" wouldn't be affected at all............if you actually pay attention with an open mind, remove the blinders and take the cotton out of your ears, you'd know there are lots of people all over the country also rooting for him! But I don't expect you to see or hear that because like most liberals, you just don't want to know about it........
Yes, I am playing the very
Yes, I am playing the very same childish game liberals have been playing with us for the last two years............I figure, if you can't beat em, join em!
Yes, I am playing the very
Yes, I am playing the very same childish game liberals have been playing with us for the last two years............I figure, if you can't beat em, join em!
I wasn't changing the
I wasn't changing the subject, I was merely showing you the prime examples our 50 governors have to live by.......you liberals don't seem to mind the idiotic crap that comes out of their mouths though do you. Just a subtle way of pointing out the hipocrisy we see from democrats each and every day.
We are talking about the
We are talking about the government aren't we??
They don't need to! It's
They don't need to! It's happened in other states. This is preventative. You know the saying: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"......now don't tell me a gentleman of your "experience" hasn't heard that expression!
It's such a pity that
It's such a pity that democrats can not accept their loss as republicans have had to do for decades. What are they teaching our children?? If you lose, kick and scream then change the rules so you can win easier??
There are two ways to obtain
There are two ways to obtain data, pull existing factual data off the shelf, or make it up on your own. Since I am a conservative, I chose to use REAL data............
Ron you are overlooking the fact that if your messiah hadn't made his share of stupid comments, those videos wouldn't even exist! He and the growth that follows him around have two years of stupid comments all recorded......shall we start discussing those too??
Complaints against employers
Complaints against employers that have no basis do not usually make it to the Labor Department therefore it stands to reason that most of the ones that do will lose the case.
I also have a problem with the big mural controversy but I see it quite different than some. I don't believe LePage is the one making this a big deal. The media and left wing liberals are the ones dragging this through the mud. They are the ones that keep pulling LePage away from the important tasks to ask the same damn questions about the mural, over and over. Liberals are claiming that this mural is so important but where were they when the mural was unveiled and hung in that room?? It wasn't important then, why is it now? I'll tell you: Because it helps them make LePage look evil, that's why........
Example.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q1z532U7hE
Example......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY&feature=related
Example.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZSigyG-BZU
Why is it some people can
Why is it some people can take the time to write, but can't take an extra moment or two to back it up with factual details so the readers can judge for themselves? The information isn't difficult to get, but for some reason it's difficult to show.............exactly which cuts are going to affect seniors this way and how?
Chris, what I am reading in
Chris, what I am reading in your comment is this:
"If they lose because Maine has bad laws, change the laws." <<--- DO SOMETHING TO HELP THE SITUATION
"If they lose because Maine has bad employees, then improve their education and training instead of cutting the budgets for that." <<--- DO SOMETHING TO HELP THE SITUATION
"If they lose because they're bad employers who are trying to cut corners or harm citizens, then GOOD!" <<--- SCREW EM!
Not all businesses that lose, do so because they are intentionally hurting employees. In many cases it is simply because they need to be educated as well. Why the hatred towards business and employers? Without business, the "working class" becomes the "stay at home class" and the economy stops dead.........
It amazes me at how people
It amazes me at how people like Joshua and Dan continue to try to convince everyone that Paul LePage is the one making this into a big deal! Paul was told it was offensive, he looked at it and agreed then had it taken down. Yes it started a small fire but it is the media and liberals that continue to add brush to that fire then complain about how Paul isn't paying attention to more important issues! If I burn brush in my back yard and someone comes along and dump gas on it, then who is responsible for the fire getting out of control?? Stop watching the fire burn and start paying attention to what Paul LePage is actually doing to reach the goals he has set for Maine!
Well.....Ron you are no
Well.....Ron you are no longer the "King of Spin" on this blog! Dave's got you by a long shot!............He's not as subtle though. Blatantly obvious spin!
Please hold off running for
Please hold off running for office until I get my paper going! After all, you'd want an accurate telling of your time in office correct?
Starting a conservative rag
Starting a conservative rag is something I would do....if I had the money.........wanna loan me a couple bux?? I'll let you have your own column. We can call the column "Beat the Liberal!"
Wow, only about 10% of the
Wow, only about 10% of the article was represented by the headlines..........had me fooled into reading it thinking I was going to learn something new!
The national news agencies
The national news agencies are "picking it up" from the local news agencies. They are not sending reporters over here for the story! The Daily Show joked about it and showed a screenshot of the Sun Journal story! I understand crap like this sells! But there are other stories to tell as well and as long as we don't call out the news agencies to tell the truth, they will keep on lying! (or "massaging the truth")
http://www.mrcaction.org/558/petition.asp
I'd never heard that remark,
I'd never heard that remark, but I like it!
We have some liberals saying
We have some liberals saying this is an "art" issue, some saying it is a "symbol" issue, some saying it is a "rewriting of history" issue, some saying it is an "anti union" issue, some saying it is a "business" issue........am i missing any?? Eeeenie, meeenie, myne, moe...... I'll take "business issue" for sustainability Ron!
What I'd like to know is why
What I'd like to know is why does the media put this story on the front page for a week straight but this story --> http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/1007168#comment-77572 is just a little blurb deep inside section A?????
Ok.....I'd really like to
Ok.....I'd really like to know why the front page is covered with mural "news" for the umpteenth day and the story below is just a little blurb hidden deep inside section A??
-->> http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/1007168#comment-77572
anybody else care to know??
Ok.....I'd really like to
Ok.....I'd really like to know why the cover page is covered with mural "news" and this is just a little blurb hidden deep inside section A??
What mistake and what
What mistake and what weakness? Again, making claims without backing them up Ron. Quit leaving everyone guessing!
I don't believe that using the term "liberal" or "conservative" is a bad thing. Call a spade a spade. You can call me a conservative all day long as I am proud to be one and you should be proud to be a liberal. Claire is, are you?
are you saying that you
are you saying that you weren't really calling me a liar? The words "Mark - Your nose has grown!! Something catch up with you?" accompanied by a picture of Pinochio was just coincidental?
My skin is plenty thick enough Ron.........it's just that a liberal admitting he made a mistake is such a rarity I just don't want to miss out on seeing one!
Not good enough Ron. If
Not good enough Ron. If you've got the brass to call me a liar in public, then you need to back it up in public as well! Quote AND link to my lie so we can ALL see it!
Liberal rule # 1, Always end
Liberal rule # 1, Always end a discussion with a personal attack or insult, then extricate yourself as quick as you can!
You said I flip flopped and I am calling you out. Quote AND link to my flip flop. You're a smart guy, you are perfectly capable of doing so......if it really exists! If you can make that claim in public, you can back it up with facts in public as well!
You liberals have been saying
You liberals have been saying for a week now that Paul Lepage is making a big deal out of this. I said it was the liberal media and liberals like you that are making a big deal out of it.....now you are saying you want to ramp it up Claire?? You are indeed dragging it on!
Al, show us all the "flip
Al, show us all the "flip flop"!
A you said: "I know what
A you said: "I know what entry level pay is in virtually all areas of retail and that is , minimum wage fits all." I want to thank you for supporting my original point that retail is not where people turn to when they want to make real money! This discussion started when Tom said: "Let me try another direction for you. Imagine the guilt of a man who took the mural down when he supports Marden's wages for the working class." implying that Marden's pays their employees less then they are worth. Marden's is a retail outlet that pays retail wages, in most cases minimum wage just as you yourself supported. Tom (like a few others I have chatted with) was implying that Marden's should pay more and I am saying that if Mardens employees are not happy with the pay then they need to find another line of work because retail pays, what retail pays!
Now, in your post at 5:30 you said: "Mark, in your first post you wrote," when I searched for my first job, the three places I would not work at were: department stores,grocery stores and fast food". After my post you write,"I spent quite a few years in retail too, I started at the bottom and worked my way up to management".
You and Lepage are a couple of flip flop artist. Have a nice day."
You implied that department stores, grocery stores and fast food are the only areas of retail and you state that I flip-flopped when speaking of my career choice then go on to tell us that much of your retail experience is in areas other than department stores, grocery stores and fast food. If you agree that auto parts is retail, then you also agree that I did NOT flip flop when speaking of my experience.
Oh Al!! In YOUR previous post
Oh Al!! In YOUR previous post you said to me: "you don't have a clue about working your way up in retail." Well apparently you need to be informed. See, there is more to retail then department stores, grocery stores and fast food! Let's not forget, automotive, power sports, and marine industries for example! Did you intentionally leave those out Al? Or is it simply that you didn't think of them? Ever drive up Center St in Auburn? Or Maine Mall road in Portland? You can't miss the automotive industry there!...........No "flip flop" here Al!
Now before the comments
Now before the comments start, I want to point out something. Today's story does not give any NEW information about the situation. It's just a re-shuffle of yesterdays story! Why do you suppose the LSJ published it today? Does the LSJ like to see everyone argue and debate over it? Does the LSJ feed off the anger and hatred coming from BOTH sides of the issue?? Why does the LSJ, like much of the rest of the media keep feeding the fire? I said the other day that it wasn't LePage dragging this through the mud, it was the media (and certain liberals). This just helps to prove that!
Robert, It's best just to
Robert, It's best just to break it up with a stick and flush it!
Don't imply someone is lying
Don't imply someone is lying unless you can show us all what the lie is!
I never said it wasn't
I never said it wasn't possible! My point is, people don't generally grow up planning to be successful in retail. I've never heard a child say: "when I grow up, I want to be a stock clerk so I can work my way up to manager"! Much like I've never heard anyone say: "I'm gonna take that stock clerk job so I can make big money!" Yes, some do it! But of all the stock clerks and/or cashiers Mardens has ever had, what percentage would you say moved up the ladder and found real success?? Was that your plan when you started? To jump on the retail bandwagon and ride it all the way to the top? Or did it originally start as simply a "job" or "stepping stone" to get you to the next stage in your life that you later simply decided to stick with?
I spent quite a few years in retail too, I started at the bottom and worked my way up to management as well, but I also saw a LOT of others come and go along the way. I was only one of very many. The rest didn't make it.
That said, do I regret my years in retail? Absolutely not! I learned a lot that I was able to take with me to the wholesale side of the very same industry. I walked in at ground level to make considerably more than I was as a retail manager. I was still the same person with the same drive. I was still worth the same.....the problem was that retail job just wasn't worth any more than it was paying. My point: You can't take a job as a stock clerk and then complain about the money! It's like buying a 13 inch TV and then complaining that the screen should be bigger, on the same 13 inch TV.
You're funny Tom! I've never
You're funny Tom! I've never heard anyone say: "I'm gonna be rich because I work in retail! Woot woot!!"
Marden's pays what retail stores pay! Period! When I searched for my very first job, the three places I would not work were: Department stores, grocery stores, and fast food. Why? Because they don't pay and offer little chance for real success! .....I knew that and I was just a kid!
We shall see!
We shall see!
actually......hopefully 8
actually......hopefully 8 more!
"What's next? Prohibiting the
"What's next? Prohibiting the running of coyotes with hounds under the guise of noise pollution?".......yep, Dianne Russel will take that one up!
Democrats lost control ALL
Democrats lost control ALL over the state Ron (not to mention all over the country!), it would be a bit far fetched to blame it all on the gubernatorial race!
I was actually thinking of
I was actually thinking of Washington DC........after Obama anyone would do well in the eyes of the American people! I'd never run, I'd never make it past the media.....had too much fun in my 20s. I probably have more skeletons than even I know about!
I was actually thinking of
I was actually thinking of Washington DC........after Obama anyone would do well in the eyes of the American people! I'd never run, I'd never make it past the media.....had too much fun in my 20s. I probably have more skeletons than even I know about!
Not suggesting, I EXPECT to
Not suggesting, I EXPECT to see you on the next ballot since you seem to know more about how to fix our government's problems than anyone else.........with all that knowledge you are doing the rest of us a huge disservice by sitting idly by.
Nor do they need to brag!
Nor do they need to brag!
bragging about my "leadership
bragging about my "leadership positions" will drag local folks and businesses into discussions they may not agree with.
No, that wouldn't work! I
No, that wouldn't work! I don't kiss butt well, and if I did I'd rather it be a firm one!
Just a bit of spin there...
David you said: "It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you add 2 and take away 2, the result is zero."
Apparently it does. You will be investing an additional 2% into your own retirement so the rest of the taxpayers can have their 2% back to pay bills with. There is no increase to your retirement nor is there a decrease.....so yeah, it is a wash, or "zero" as you put it. It's called "pulling our wings in" a little. We've had to do it at home and we expect our government to do the same or they won't be re-elected! The lack of desire to do something about our state's budget is why democrats lost control. Period!
Don't assume......
You know what they say when you assume Ron..........
Speaking of imaginative, I
Speaking of imaginative, I didn't say anyone supports the destruction of the mural!
Being in a "leadership
Being in a "leadership position" does not make one a leader......... a true leader has no subordinates and doesn't need to ask to be followed nor do they need to tell people to follow them. A true leader is simply followed..........
I expect to see Ronald Riml
I expect to see Ronald Riml on the next ballot........
I don't need to hurl
I don't need to hurl "liberal" at Dan, it's very obvious to all of us where he stands. Clair is the only liberal on here that I've seen with enough courage to stand up and say "I'm proud to be a liberal!" I can respect that.
There are tens of thousands
There are tens of thousands of people that agree it should be moved as well!........and you don't find that interesting either!
I am a liberal but I also
I am a liberal but I also strongly believe in George Patton's notion when he said "When two people think alike, one of them isn't thinking". And so I make it a point to listen to both sides whenever I can.
*** I agree
Unlike some Republicans who said after Obama's election that they wanted him to fail, I want Gov. Lepage to succeed.
*** The reason some republicans wanted him to fail is because many of us feel his goals were not inline with his promises or the visions of our forefathers, therefore, to succeed would require him to break all his promises and go against everything America stands for. Think about it for a minute, if a man's goal is to commit a wrongdoing, wouldn't you want him to fail at reaching that goal?
I want to see lower taxes and good jobs come to Maine too. I wish for example that he bought into your idea of making BIW become more commercial and less dependent on military money. General Dynamics won't ever make this happen. It would take leadership in Augusta to marshall our congressional delegation to get federal money for the conversion as well as state money and Bath would have to throw in tax kickbacks and they would have to scour the nation for private investors and then it might go forth as happened when the Brunswick Naval Air Station announced they were closing.
*** Ooooor, we could simply make Maine more business friendly and that private company (General Dynamics) would be more willing to throw the money on the table themselves! General Dynamics probably wont make it happen in the current "atmosphere" here in Maine....that is one of the changes LePage wants to make. We MUST have the business if we want the jobs!!
Thanks to a huge effort and good leadership the town will most likely avoid disaster. That is the kind of thing I would like to be seeing instead of news about art and room names.
*** LePage. or his administration are not the ones dragging the mural situation through the mud. If you don't want to keep hearing about it, then I suggest you write the editors and express your feelings about it.
because liberals and the
because liberals and the liberal media have blown this, and every other thing they can, way out of proportion......as usual! He has no choice but to defend his decision at this point! If he didn't, those same liberals would be mocking him for being soft and not good leadership! Sound familiar?? No matter what he does, you liberals will find something to complain about! We had to live with the democrat screw ups for the last 30 years, now it's your turn....enjoy it! It's only been 3 months for you so far!
Without business and
Without business and corporations the "working man" will become the "stay at home man"!
Claire, LePage isn't making a
Claire, LePage isn't making a big deal out of the murals, liberals like you and the media are! He simply made the request and you've all taken it from there! He hasn't even been in office for 3 months yet and you expect jobs?? Your messiah has been in DC for over 2 years, where are the jobs he promised?? Lepage's plan is to bring PRIVATE jobs into Maine by making Maine's business environment one that would welcome good PRIVATE business instead of taxing them off (like Fairchild Semiconductor). The only way to get so many jobs in only 3 months is to follow the democrats lead by creating government (public) jobs, and those always cost us tax dollars! BIW is laying off because they are a company that relies on the government teat.........unfortunately, that teat is dry! Time to adjust and start building boats for the PRIVATE industry as well if they want to survive.
aaaaaand waiting........
aaaaaand waiting........
ah..."preconceived notions"
ah..."preconceived notions" is a widely used expression and even if it was all yours, two words hardly constitutes "palgerism" (the rest of us call it "plagiarism" but since you are the educated one, I'll use your spelling so I don't look like a fool) Not once have I been "busted" for "palgerism" or "plagiarism" for that matter, on here or any other blog. If you believe I did, then link to it so we can ALL see it.
As usual Brad, you have included in your post, claims that I have said things that I have not. Not once did I ever claim unions were using tax monies to push their agenda. Again, if you really believe that, then back up your claim with a link that we can ALL read. I'll be waiting.....
Um....Jenny, the reason
Um....Jenny, the reason travel and tourism is our number one industry is because we have nothing else!.........much like winning a race because everyone in front of you fell down doesn't exactly make you a fast runner!
Actually Brad, your previous
Actually Brad, your previous response was so childish, I had to assume you were a schoolboy, hence the reference to "brushing your teeth, homework" etc.....nowhere in my comment did I say anything to imply you were poor. That is just your preconceived notion steering your mindset. Don't assume I am jealous as i can do as well as I want to, there is nobody telling me to slow down or wait for the rest...........my own destiny, remember?
Thanks for your respectful
Thanks for your respectful response, but do you not remember the BIG dumb thing Obama did during his campaign? The one big dumb thing that most Americans know not to do? ......Make promises without knowing if you can keep them or not........Most of the major promises he made during his campaign were the main reasons he was elected and they are now gone, and all within his first three months. I didn't support Obama, but I have many friends that did and they felt abandoned right away as his promises were thrown out the window one at a time.......they now feel they wasted their votes and that is indeed a shame. Nobody should ever feel they wasted their vote.....
Al, I am a little confused
Al, I am a little confused with your position on this. I agree that we must give all our politicians a chance to prove themselves. Being president is a huge undertaking but we are now beyond the two year mark (half way through his presidency I might add). Why do you give a democrat over two years worth of chances to fix things but you won't give a republican even three months?? Just yesterday you posted on this article: http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/1004031?page=1 this comment: "Create jobs--yup, he hired his daughter. Streamline Augusta--yup, he took down a mural. Now that's progress!" indicating, with sarcasm, (something LePage isn't allowed to use) that he hasn't lived up to his promise of creating jobs. LePage's goal is to create PRIVATE sector jobs by improving Maine's business atmosphere to attract PRIVATE business. It won't happen overnight. The only way to create so many jobs in only three months is to fall back on the old democrat safety net of creating PUBLIC jobs which cost us all even more and sends Maine deeper into the financial quagmire we are in.
Which is it Al? Give them a chance or not?
Yep...and we're not hearing
Yep...and we're not hearing much from the liberals about the other two wars we are stuck in anymore are we?? You know, the two we had overwhelming support, IN ADVANCE I might add! Surprise!!! .....maybe there is just more going on in the middle east than we all like to think we know??
Brad you said: "How do you
Brad you said: "How do you justify telling others how to live then?" <<-- WTH?? Where and when did I do that??
Let's see, first you at 6:58am, just getting ready for school?, I hope you brushed your teeth!
then you at 1:43pm.....just get off the bus did you?? Did you get your homework done before getting on the computer?
mine: 12:21pm, the average working class lunch time!
Maine's business climate affects me and my success very much!
It's funny how liberals can
It's funny how liberals can speak their mind because it is their constitutional right but when conservatives speak their minds against them, they are just starting a "flame war".............
The way your "opinion" was worded implies that you are speaking "truth" or "fact", "positive knowledge" eg: "And now... every single person who works hard in this state to support themselves and their families... " I simply said you (that statement) are wrong and I am indeed speaking with positive knowledge.
Opinion: a belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge ~Merriam Webster
Greg you said: "And now...
Greg you said: "And now... every single person who works hard in this state to support themselves and their families... "
You are implying that this is an insult to all Maine workers, I am a Maine worker and am not at all insulted, therefore you are wrong..........you have a right to your "opinion" (actually, it was an uneducated guess, not opinion) and i have a right to call you out and say you are wrong all the while backing up my statement with a fact.......
actually Brad, I do just
actually Brad, I do just that! I am in charge of my own destiny. The harder I work, the more successful I am. Nobody tells me I am "working too much", nobody tells me "don't do that, It's not your job!" and most importantly, nobody tells me I have to stop working to support my "brothers" that haven't got the balls to speak for themselves! I am accountable for my own work, yet democrats consistently want to hold me accountable for other's lack of success! I learned to fish and I'm keeping my damn fish!
Wrong Greg, this is not an
Wrong Greg, this is not an insult to every worker in Maine. I am not at all insulted by it. This is a mural that is supposed to depict the "history of labor in Maine" yet it focuses on union activities. When I talk of the history of my hometown of Lewiston with the elders, the "strike of 1937" never comes up! The labor department is there to represent ALL workers and a mural depicting the history of labor union activities does not belong there. The Augusta museum maybe, but not in a government building that we ALL own and represent ALL of us.
That's right, how many years
That's right, how many years did Angus King and Baldi have to "fix" it?? They sat on their hands and did nothing! Wasn't Mr. Nutting in office for quite a few of those years?? There's a reason Mr. Nutting was elected out of office! He also did nothing to fix these problems!
Or maybe get voted out of
Or maybe get voted out of office.......oh wait........yeah, that's what could happen!
I was thinking more along the
I was thinking more along the line of Penicillin!
all it tells me is that
all it tells me is that bashing republicans comes second nature to Obama..........but everthing else? Epic FAIL!
I think you're right Pirate,
I think you're right Pirate, there's an awful lot of blue in that photo.......
He definately owns a good
He definately owns a good chunk of the crisis of 2009 and ALL of 2010 all by himself.......well with a little help from Pelosi.
Where's the "super duper
Where's the "super duper agree" button when you need one!?
and I must ask; Who was in
and I must ask; Who was in control of the house and senate during the last 2 years of GW's 8 years?
I understand your frustration
I understand your frustration Adam, but the only way he can "spread it out" and involve the private sector is to raise taxes which is something he told us he didn't want to do. He ran on the idea of cutting costs without raising taxes but improving efficiency. This isn't "party line transparency" here. This is in line with keeping the promises he made to voters. Not to mention, many voters actually demanded some adjustments to the state employee retirement program!
Maine citizens can not handle any more taxes, period. Every year, at tax time, I pay to the state of Maine almost as much extra as I got back from the federal government. The company I used to work for was told by their accountant that if they simply moved their business to New Hampshire, they'd save $40,000 a year. No matter who is in that office, Mainers will not accept any more tax increases. Maine has to pull it's wings in a bit and, unfortunately, that's going to affect a lot of people but it's still mild compared to what some other states are doing. My wife works for a non profit that relys on grants and I suspect, at some point this year, I will be affected much more that you are and when the time comes, I'll deal with it and move on.
My employer can and has done
My employer can and has done basically just that, two years ago when the economy really hit bottom, they said "We will halt paying in the 4% match to you 401k".........I had not choice. I understood why they had to do it and I accepted it. I didn't like but I accepted it and I made up the difference myself. I did have one other choice, but looking for another job really wasn't the best solution.
Speaking of inconvenient
Speaking of inconvenient facts, you said "Second, as a private employee, you are enrolled in social security, so you are also in line for retirement benefits paid for out of tax revenue."
The only people paying into my SS are myself and my employer. It is an "insurance" so to speak, not a retirement package. It does not cost taxpayers anything....
Yep, I saw a few names of
Yep, I saw a few names of former reps that I recognized as democrats (since I work and don't have time to sit and check em all). You got me, however, they are not ALL republicans either!
Oh guys, could you spare a
Oh guys, could you spare a few minutes of your precious time to at least read the bill. I will help you with a link: http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/HP0176...
Notice the sponsors are a mix of republicans AND democrats alike?? I haven't seen so many sponsors on one bill before. Here they are:
Presented by Representative CEBRA of Naples.
Cosponsored by Senator SNOWE-MELLO of Androscoggin and
Senators COLLINS of York, COURTNEY of York, FARNHAM of Penobscot, HASTINGS of Oxford, KATZ of Kennebec, MARTIN T of Kennebec, MASON of Androscoggin, PLOWMAN of Penobscot, President RAYE of Washington, THOMAS of Somerset, TRAHAN of Lincoln, WHITTEMORE of Somerset, Representatives AYOTTE of Caswell, BENNETT of Kennebunk, BICKFORD of Auburn, BLACK of Wilton, BURNS DC of Whiting, BURNS DR of Alfred, CELLI of Brewer, CHASE of Wells, CLARK T of Easton, COTTA of China, CRAFTS of Lisbon, CRAY of Palmyra, CURTIS of Madison, CUSHING of Hampden, DAMON of Bangor, DAVIS of Sangerville, DUNPHY of Embden, EDGECOMB of Caribou, ESPLING of New Gloucester, FITTS of Pittsfield, FITZPATRICK of Houlton, FLOOD of Winthrop, FOSSEL of Alna, FOSTER of Augusta, GIFFORD of Lincoln, GILLWAY of Searsport, GUERIN of Glenburn, HAMPER of Oxford, HARMON of Palermo, HARVELL of Farmington, JOHNSON D of Eddington, JOHNSON P of Greenville, KESCHL of Belgrade, KNAPP of Gorham, KNIGHT of Livermore Falls, LIBBY of Waterboro, LONG of Sherman, MAKER of Calais, MALABY of Hancock, MCCLELLAN of Raymond, MCFADDEN of Dennysville, MORISSETTE of Winslow, NASS of Acton, NEWENDYKE of Litchfield, Speaker NUTTING of Oakland, O'CONNOR of Berwick, OLSEN of Phippsburg, PARKER of Veazie, PARRY of Arundel, PICCHIOTTI of Fairfield, PLUMMER of Windham, PRESCOTT of Topsham, RICHARDSON D of Carmel, RICHARDSON W of Warren, RIOUX of Winterport, ROSEN K of Bucksport, SANDERSON of Chelsea, SIROCKI of Scarborough, Soctomah of Passamaquoddy Tribe, STRANG BURGESS of Cumberland, TILTON of Harrington, TIMBERLAKE of Turner, VOLK of Scarborough, WATERHOUSE of Bridgton, WEAVER of York, WILLETTE A of Mapleton, WILLETTE M of Presque Isle, WINSOR of Norway, WOOD of Sabattus.
Well said Ed! Take two
Well said Ed! Take two Tylenol and take the day off for that one...........
Let us not forget, the NAACP
Let us not forget, the NAACP implied that LePage was a racist! I would have used MUCH more colorful language than LePage did had I been in his shoes. Telling someone to "kiss my butt" is nothing compared to implying someone is a racist!
LOL.. Adam, you said:
LOL.. Adam, you said: "where is the proposal to take an equal percentage out of the 401(k) programs of privately insured Mainers?"
The key word here is "privately"......that means "NOT PUBLIC"! You are not funding my private retirement plan, I am. However, I am indeed funding a large part of the Maine State Retirement System.
To keep it simple, My employer funds 4% of my 401k, I fund the rest of it. Public employees fund a small percentage of their retirement and I, again, fund the rest of it! Get the picture?? If you are a public employee, I am already paying MUCH more than you are!
If I have to explain that
If I have to explain that part to you, then you obviously don't read much of his writings. He rarely tells the conservative side of any story, hence "one sided reporter".
Nooooo Jason, I said he is a
Nooooo Jason, I said he is a left leaning, one sided reporter. YOU chose to chop off the second half of that sentence and attach the first half right to the rest of the comment........typical spin. That may work in person, but when my original words are in writing right above, you will be hard pressed to convince any of these readers that I meant anything different from what I said.............
@ Jan, Great post! There is lots to do in L/A! It's sad that today's society isn't creative enough or simply not open minded enough to see that. One only has to spend the day with a 5 year old to see that as we grow older, we disable our very own creativity by not using it!
Yes, he is a very left
Yes, he is a very left leaning, one sided reporter! Last summer when he was writing about the "loud pipes" issue, he solicited responses from the "quiet side" but not the "loud" side. The "loud side" actually offered input and he simply ignored it..........
She's also forgetting that
She's also forgetting that everything her employer is giving her comes out of OUR pockets! She isn't working to finance MY retirement but I am working to finance hers!
Is there something wrong with
Is there something wrong with this quote from the second paragraph? : "First, only public employees would be required to pay a 2 percent increase to the Maine Public Employees Retirement System"
Am I, a private sector worker, supposed to pay into the Maine Public Employees Retirement System?
I do agree that our bottle
I do agree that our bottle redemption policy has had a positive impact on Maine's environment, but let's also consider how much technology in the recycling industry has changed during those same 35 years, especially in the last 5 years alone. Many towns have or will be switching to "single stream" recycling because we now have the technology to separate those materials in a more cost effective manner. 35 years ago, we didn't. Hell, even 10 years ago we didn't! Now we can shred entire vehicles at once and separate the materials afterward..........
The only draw back I see to these bills are the many fundraisers that benefit from collecting bottles. People that simply can not afford to donate 5 bux cash usually won't hesitate to give an 8 or 10 dollar bag of bottles to a good cause. We'll just have to keep a jar of pocket change handy to replace those bottle donations.
Talk about SPIN!! That 2%
Talk about SPIN!! That 2% Jarrod, is NOT a tax! You will be paying an additional 2% into your own retirement which you will get back when you retire. Maybe you should actually READ his budget before commenting on it??
If to "watch" you mean
If to "watch" you mean utilize the checks and balances we have available, then I agree. If to "watch" you mean "micro manage" then I do not agree. If I had the ability to micro manage him, then I might just as well put my name on the next ballot along with the thousands of others that feel they could do the job. Yes, the governor works for us and needs to be manageable, but we must also allow HIM to manage.
I am curious Jackson, why didn't I see your name on the ballot?
and they will get the
and they will get the true"assistance" they need by making the private job market better. To do that we must make Maine more inviting to good business. Even most conservatives are concerned about the environment but the pendulum in Maine is too far in that direction and it is actually threatening our way of life, not preserving it. There is a middle ground but to get there we need to make some unwelcome cuts. I have to do it at home. My children no longer attend parochial school, not by choice, but because we had to pull our wings in just like our state and federal governments need to do. I am making sacrifices at home as I am sure many of the readers participating in this string are as well. It hurts, but I know it must be done.
LD 246, The Daytime running
LD 246, The Daytime running lights bill was voted 'Ought not to pass' today in committee. It is effectively dead.
You have to have faith in the
You have to have faith in the people you elect. I understand you have no faith in our current Governor but we both know that if your preferred choice for Governor had been elected and did the same thing, there wouldn't be a peep out of you........... Let me refer you to the same 200 years of American history to back that up........
So if this same group of
So if this same group of people were not "commissioned" and simply went up to Augusta together, you'd have no problem with them speaking to the Governor behind closed doors??????
Actually, Ms Tara (<--better?
Actually, Ms Tara (<--better? Do you not have good memories of your time in office? You find the term "Ms Mayor" an insult?? I assure you I was using it out of respect for a former elected official), That said, my response was clearly about faith, not just politics. It was your very first line where you insulted me for even having faith. You said: -> "Oh how Naive you are, and if you believe in that or have "faith" in it, it is dangerous...." <- do you remember saying that?
Ms. Tara, I know you've worked hard, we all know you've seen your ups and downs like many of us have. My question for you: Where would you be right now if it weren't for YOUR faith? Is it really dangerous to have faith? Really?? I supported Paul LePage with my vote because I share his goals. I will continue to support him because I have faith in him.
With all due respect Ms.
With all due respect Ms. Mayor, if we had everything in life written in black and white right in front of us, we would have no need for faith at all! We placed a lot of faith in the last few administrations and look where it got us. I have faith in our Governor. I believe he will do everything he can to improve our state and I do believe we will ALL feel it in one way ore the other. Let me ask you this Ms. Mayor, what happens when your expenses are greater than your revenue (for whatever reason)? I think you know firsthand and I don't want our state going down that road. Take a little pain now, or a lot later! Which is it? If you believe we can keep running this state the way we have been under decades of Democrat control, then you Ms Mayor are the naive one. It is that mentality that got us where we are!
If I went to Augusta myself
If I went to Augusta myself to meet with the Governor, as a citizen and constituent, I'd be entitled to a private discussion but, in an effort to be efficient, if I brought 20 fellow citizens and constituents with me, we'd have to be supervised because we might be considered a "committee"? Is that what you're telling me Jackson?
From WGME.com: "The Maine
From WGME.com: "The Maine Hosptial Association is responding saying, "Had they caught this problem earlier last year, there would have been more time to moderate the cuts to hospitals. Unfortunately that didn't happen and the new administration is attempting to address the situation as best it can."
It's the "old team's" screw up!
come to think of it, I met
come to think of it, I met with a judge once or twice, does that make me part of a "judicial committee"?
Faith comes from within! If
Faith comes from within! If you really wanted it, you would have it!
I meet with my children's
I meet with my children's teachers, but I'm not on any "education committee"....
It is what they actually DO
It is what they actually DO that matters and they DON'T always do what they discuss. Our politicians, whether they be republican or democrat deserve the opportunity to sit with advisers and throw ideas around without the media tweeting and twittering all the details before those details are final......that's what this is about! This is NOT a government committee that will do things behind our back. It is a committee of business people and educators that will have the governors undivided attention in an open discussion and they don't need the interruptions of the media circus! If and when any good ideas come out of it, we will know before anything is final.
At what time is any elected
At what time is any elected official allowed even a smidge of privacy? Nobody in the group will want to be truly transparent with the governor if they know the whole public is listening in on the discussion and he's not going to be able to act on any suggestions of this group without approval. When the time comes to act, we'll know what was discussed in the group.
If you think about it, maybe LePage is learning from our transparent leader in Washington? You know the guy, what's his name? Made tons of promises of transparency and is yet to deliver on a single one. Maybe, just maybe, politicians simply shouldn't make ANY promises until their second term when they know what the job entails?
There are times when I want my government to be able to discuss things without fear of being listened in on. It isn't what they discuss that hurts or helps us, it's what they DO!
Tron, I stand corrected,
Tron, I stand corrected, there are TWO bills sponsored by two different people from both sides of the fence, BOTH of which are resolutions. Can we duplicate any more efforts?
Well Tron, feel free to find
Well Tron, feel free to find that bill and show us! There is NO bill listed under Sen. Tom Saviello as a sponsor or co-sponsor pertaining to election runoffs as of today. The SJ facebook friends are the ones making this a "republican" issue.
There is nothing to disagree
There is nothing to disagree with....just swallow your pride and read it yourself!
I am sorry Libs, but the bill
I am sorry Libs, but the bill is LD503 sponsored by democrat Tuttle of Sanford! Don't believe everything you read in the paper! You can read it yourself here -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/HP0396...
Here is a link to the
Here is a link to the directory of bills in the state's legislature. Check it every day for any new bills posted. Contact your reps about anything that concerns you. As citizens, this is our responsibility. --> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/
One word Zach: "sheeple"!
One word Zach: "sheeple"!
Take my comments any way you
Take my comments any way you like and please feel free to be as extremely offended as you like. Did I say anything about anyone who is actually afflicted with Tourette's or did I make a mockery of Lepage by inventing a whole new disease?
--> You are insinuating that someone with a foul mouth has tourette's syndrome.
While my post was anything but a personal attack on you, yours is certainly one on me with veiled defense of those who truly have Tourette's.
--> How is my comment a personal attack on you? I truly have tourette's syndrome so my defense is very much legitimate.
I refuse to get into a flame war. It accomplishes nothing. While I will refrain from personal attacks, you go right ahead.
--> typical liberal spin. Totally screw up and pass the blame to someone else! Next your gonna say Bush did it!?
Greg, while you are
Greg, while you are definately entitled to your opinion but I am extremely offended by your "Political Tourette's Syndrome" comment! Not everyone with TS exhibits that behavior, called coprolalia, as a matter of fact, less than 15% of all confirmed cases do! It's a bad stereotype and your use of that term really shows your ignorance!
You said it yourself Mark,
You said it yourself Mark, the Laffer Curve is just a baseline "theory" but just because it hasn't been proven, doesn't make it not true. It is merely a baseline principle as there are countless variables in economics. I think even most liberals would say that the Clinton administration was an exception to many "rules".
Laffer Curve Mark, Google
Laffer Curve Mark, Google it....
PS: There is much data to
PS: There is much data to support both sides of the helmet issue and as long as the data is a "wash". it should be left up to the riders, not the government.
Here is an interesting write up -->> http://www.bikersrights.com/statistics/notsafe.html
Yes Brenda, I can answer that
Yes Brenda, I can answer that question quite simply, here it is, pay attention because there is a very important message in it for ALL Maine's citizens!: The reason car drivers have to wear seat belts and motorcyclists don't have to wear helmets is because WE STAND UP FOR OURSELVES and you don't! It really is that simple!
PS: for what it's worth, the headlight bill probably will not pass because the motorcycle community is standing up for ourselves once again! The reason motorcycles are required to have their headlights on in Maine is so we can stand out amongst the cars and trucks on the road. Once all those cars and truck turn their lights on, we will become invisible once again! The sponsor of this bill has been enlightened on this issue and understands now.
It's funny how this writer is
It's funny how this writer is really complaining about cutting teachers benefits but attaches it to the notion that LePage is "cutting education".........nobody wants to see our children suffer (that's why liberals attach everything to "cutting education") but in the end, when the school system doesn't manage it's expenses, the children will suffer just as well.
watch.....
-->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc&NR=1
Spin it Ron! Let's say we
Spin it Ron! Let's say we make the total chips on the table 1000 so the readers can divide that up!? (you can't take 20% of one chip) You think the one player with 93 chips should pay the 20 chips to the house? Ed is saying make them ALL pay 20% in order to give the house the 20 chips. I have to agree with ED. 20% is 20% whether you make $10,000 or $10,000,000, the guy making 10 million will pay more in cash, but still the same 20% as the lower income. Even my 9 year old can see that is fair!
They'll open, this is the
They'll open, this is the same old BS Scarborough Downs plays with anyone competing with them.
Thanks for your response
Thanks for your response Pirate! It amazes me just how much liberals have to say until you call them out..... {{ insert crickets chirping here }}......
It's almost sad, in a way, at
It's almost sad, in a way, at how blinded they really are. We shouldn't pick on them, they're just "different" that's all.
There is NO example in your
There is NO example in your comment Bob. Please give us a specific example of "raping natural resources".........because your comment, as it stands, is merely a repeat of the liberal rhetoric being used every day.........think on your own Bob. Research those comments before you repeat them.
Spoken with a mouthful of
Spoken with a mouthful of grammar errors and spelling mistakes.......and "he" is uneducated?? I hate pointing out mistakes but if you are going to claim that our governor is uneducated, you really should do your best to look educated yourself.
Sadie, you said: "i don't care where he came from or his background," then you follow up with: "thats what happen's when your brought up on the streets like him."....so what you are really saying is that you DO care about where he came from and his background because you just used it against him!
Tara, I expect this kind of
Tara, I expect this kind of response from some of the bloggers here but not from a former Mayor of my hometown!
Wow, and she thinks LePage is
Wow, and she thinks LePage is unprofessional?? Let's not forget Tara, you all ignored the 60% that did not vote for Baldaci as well!
Yeah, I want to go into
Yeah, I want to go into business to break even!....NOT!
but you posted as a direct
but you posted as a direct response to Jim Cyr, not to the group discussion as a whole............shall we start a blogging 101 topic?
Yes me too. Seems since we've
Yes me too. Seems since we've been "verified" his comments are indeed much more civil and I can actually agree with him from time to time.
It amazes me some people
It amazes me some people still don't understand how that steak or turkey gets to their table!
your comment was posted as a
your comment was posted as a response to:
Reagan
Jim Cyr at 8:57 am on Feb 13, 2011
"He also instructed Congress to CLOSE the border as a stipulation, which they have yet to do!"
You took it from illegal immigration to the Iran contra scandal all in one breath, that was the "change of subject"...........
typical liberal "change of
typical liberal "change of subject"!
The citizen behind this bill
The citizen behind this bill has one arm and can not open traditional pocket knives.
Yes they did, but I am tired
Yes they did, but I am tired of people saying that Mexico just wants "their" land back. It wasn't "theirs" to begin with anymore than it was ours! Therefore, what matters is who's land is it TODAY!?
This whole border war has nothing to do with who's land it is. It has everything to do with the opportunities here in the US. and lack thereof in Mexico. Take away the opportunities here and they won't come.
Speaking of history, aren't
Speaking of history, aren't the people of Mexico primarily "Spanish"?? Might they be living on stolen land themselves? Didn't they kill, rape, and pillage for that land south of the border?
By definition, they may not
By definition, they may not be criminal, but they are indeed "illegal"!
Are you poking fun at
Are you poking fun at amputees Peter?
Yep, fair question.....as
Yep, fair question.....as soon as the story was published and the public was made aware, something was done!
or the "LefTron Sun Journal"
or the "LefTron Sun Journal"
LePage's ideas are common
LePage's ideas are common sense. He had strong support, as Mayor, from liberals in Waterville as well. His support from liberal democrats continues to grow daily. A common sense approach is all it takes to bring the two sides together.........novel idea huh? Who'da thunk it? It's true conservatism at it's best! If only the republican party would stick to those values wholeheartedly, the country would be much better off.
From my perspective Dan, I find you to be very left wing..........not the moderate that you believe you are.
Dan you are further off base
Dan you are further off base than I ever thought you were. For the SJ to be further right than "mainstream" would make the mainstream extreme left! Maine is not as liberal as you might think. If you look at most election results in Maine they are usually only a few points from center in either direction. I would consider Maine a "centrist state". The SJ is surely NOT a right wing paper!
A railroad spike would hurt
A railroad spike would hurt my rears but it isn't noise! Does a dog barking hurt your ears? A cow mooing? A child giggling? The world has it's noises that we all must live with. If someone were doing something illegal and that illegal activity were making noise I could see your point. But if someone is riding a perfectly legal ATV in a perfectly legal place and you simply don't like hearing them then it sounds like you have a problem. If you are oversensitive to sound, then YOU have the problem. What hurts your ears may not hurt mine. The sound of ATVs hurts yours, the sound of loud classical music hurts mine. The Hakalas didn't like the noise and they did the right thing by approaching their town officials. For Mr. Ford to make the claim that they were probably doing something illegal making them a criminal could easily cross the line into libel on his part.
Sadie, I am willing to bet there is something about you or your activities that your neighbors don't like. What if they were to label you with a stereotype for that? What if they were to push for legislation that would suddenly make you into a criminal because of a hobby you like but they don't? What if your town were to ban backyard swing sets because ONE person didn't like the noise your children make. (and there are people in this world that truly hate children) How would you handle that? How would that make you feel? Put yourself in other's shoes before you make a complaint.
Define noise for us Sadie.
Define noise for us Sadie. What do you consider "noise"?
It's funny how Mr. Ford
It's funny how Mr. Ford constantly makes these issues into a "law breaking" issue. No where in the original story did it say anything about "illegal exhaust" but as usual, he makes the assumption and tries to convince the public. The Hakalas don't like the noise, but they could be referring to the sound of tires racing up the hard packed dirt road. They could even be sensitive to the sound of stock exhaust! Stop stereotyping people who make noise Mr. Ford! Not everyone that makes noise is an evil law breaker.
Goes to show that just
Goes to show that just because a law is in place, doesn't mean disrespectful people are going to suddenly respect you. Those that wish to disrespect their neighbors are going to do so no matter what laws are in place and no matter who is out there pushing for new laws.
This whole noise issue isn't about the bikes/atvs or their exhaust. It's about respect for our neighbors and the people around us. Those that disrespect the people around them are costing those of us that do.........
They only have control when
They only have control when they ALL vote the same way and that happens far less then you think. It's funny, with your reputation, that you choose to call me "obstinate".........hear that word often do you?
It was proposed by an
It was proposed by an individual, not a party, Representative Davis out of Sangerville. Co sponsored by: Senator THOMAS of Somerset and
Representatives CAIN of Orono, CURTIS of Madison, DOW of Waldoboro, FREDETTE of Newport, GIFFORD of Lincoln, GOODE of Bangor, RUSSELL of Portland, WOOD of Sabattus.
Wrong Dan, COMPLETE control
Wrong Dan, COMPLETE control would be 100%....remember that from school? Bills are born in the minds of individual citizens or representatives, they are merely ideas being submitted for consideration. They do not become law until they make through he entire process and onto the governor's desk for signature. This one probably will be signed because of all the publicity and the fact that there is no fiscal note attached. (that means it isn't costing us anything other than processing and the representatives time to present it as well as the governors time to sign it) a mere token when you consider the cost of most bills.
You can follow the process of this bill here -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/display_ps.asp?snum=125&pape...
It is our civic duty to scan the list of bills being submitted each and every session. If you don't like one, contact your reps. and let them know. It's their responsibility to listen, it's our responsibility to communicate with them. Have you contacted your reps yet Dan? If not, what are you waiting for?
These idiotic proposals
These idiotic proposals usually start with one citizen who will benefit from the passage, then he/she convinces just one representative to sponsor a bill....that's all it takes!....then the governor takes blame for it all the way up to the day he vetos it because people don't understand the process.........
Again Dan, this bill is
Again Dan, this bill is sponsored by BOTH, republicans AND democrats. Why do you keep repeating the same answer for everything?
You folks are funny today!
You folks are funny today! You all really ought to do some VERY basic research before pointing fingers. First off, the switchblade bill is to allow folks with only one arm permission to posses a "switchblade" type knife because they do not have use of a second hand, like the rest of us, to open a legal knife. There is nothing frivolous about this bill in my opinion. When you take a moment to actually read it, you will find that it is primarily sponsored by democrats.
Read it here -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/HP0108...
Next, the whoopie pie bill! Yes, frivolous in my opinion, but sponsored by BOTH republicans AND democrats!
Read it here -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/HP0059...
It's nice to have someone "in
It's nice to have someone "in the know" respond to these letters, thank you David!
Welcome to Maine, where it
Welcome to Maine, where it snows.....sometimes alot!
Now, how did we handle these
Now, how did we handle these issues "back in the day"? We put on SNOW tires, placed an orange ball on our antenna, and drove with courtesy. Well all came out just fine.
I think Dan is right though, if we ever get a break from these Wednesday snowstorms, crews will be out removing the snowbanks.......
and who supports the
and who supports the government Ron?
if you disagree, look it up!
if you disagree, look it up!
first of all, he didn't tell
first of all, he didn't tell the president to "go to hell", he said the headlines in the papers would read that way, because you know those headlines are always accurate. It was sarcasm........second, he was in a private meeting with fishermen, all of whom were also speaking in that manner. It was not a "public hearing". He was simply building rapport with the folks he was speaking with. (and he was successful at it) That Mitchel implant probably was not invited.
The NAACP was implying that Paul was a racist, as they usually do when the don't agree with someone. I would have told them to kiss my a**!
always has some nasty
always has some nasty comments about people of color???? Are you sure? Do you think when Paul tells his black son that he loves him it is a nasty comment?
Here's one to laugh at -->>
Here's one to laugh at -->> http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_125th/billtexts/HP0189...
Seems democrats are so desperate for "new blood" they want to actually force students to register to vote as a condition of graduating high school! Be sure to let democrat representative Bolduc of Auburn know whether you agree or not!
While I do believe our children should be encouraged to vote, our government should not force them to register!
PS: There are three democrats
PS: There are three democrats sponsoring that whoopie pie bill as well.
There is an average of 2500
There is an average of 2500 to 3000 bills submitted each year in Maine. Some big, some small. Thank you for pointing out seven tenths of one percent of them. I bet there will be plenty of frivolous legislation coming from the left as well!
For the most part I agree
For the most part I agree Joseph, but let's focus the blame right where it belongs! On Obama and Pelosi! This was, yet another of, Obama's promises that they broke!
"Is LePage what voters really
"Is LePage what voters really want for governor?", why yes, yes he is!
Tourism is our number 1
Tourism is our number 1 source of revenue because, thanks to regulations, we don't have much of anything else.
me too!
me too!
if I were trying to be funny,
if I were trying to be funny, you would be laughing....
"T" your behavior right now
"T" your behavior right now is comparable to "name calling" as well.
Don't get too dizzy there
Don't get too dizzy there 'T"!
"uncouth" is subjective,
"uncouth" is subjective, merely an opinion. To those that don't believe that opinion, it is "name calling"!
I am my own leader!
I am my own leader!
That's exactly what we needs
That's exactly what we needs Mac, for those who believe in him no matter what party, to speak up and support him. He's rough, but if I complain about the way he speaks, it would make me a hypocrite! He was mild, I would have said "Kiss my rosy red A**" if someone had implied I was a racist!
Tron, the man hasn't even
Tron, the man hasn't even been in office a full month yet, but I bet he's done more already then Baldi did in his first year! I am going to applaud you today though Tron, you and George are the only liberals with guts enough to come out and play today. Why is it when conservatives start speaking out, liberals go into hiding?? Don't underestimate the conservative movement in Maine my friend. It is much more powerful than you think. Maine isn't as liberal as many people believe, just look at the individual country results of our last presidential election! Did you not see this coming? Shame on you for not paying attention!
anyone can spew negativity.
anyone can spew negativity. If you want to "convince" people that their opinions are wrong then back it up is all I ask!
It amazes me that liberals
It amazes me that liberals not only seem to think they know what is best for the people, they also seem to think they know what makes us happy.......tsk, tsk, tsk
Apparently northwoods, some
Apparently northwoods, some people disagree that you are still happy.
Let me ask you Cecilia, why?
Let me ask you Cecilia, why? Why do you feel this way? If you are going to publicly call him names, then how about an explanation?
I am still a very happy Republican!
Relax people is right! The
Relax people is right! The headline makes it sound as if LePage made the comment when he didn't, it was Dan Demeritt! I am also very curious as to why the addresses of the recipients were "whited out".........is the media protecting someone?
$41,000 is not at all what it
$41,000 is not at all what it was 20 years ago! 20 years ago, if I had been making 40k, I would have had money falling out of my pockets. I couldn't survive on 40k today!.......not without making some MAJOR cutbacks, you know, the house, the car, clothes for the kids, etc....
You are a little misguided
You are a little misguided David, he didn't say "kiss my butt" because he was invited to the breakfast! If you listen to the FULL context, you will see he said it because they were implying that he was a racist! Something the NAACP does quite regularly with public figures.
Sweetfern, as an "experienced
Sweetfern, as an "experienced store manager" you must also understand that 20 years is a LONG time when you are talking about wages. We ALL made a lot less 20 years ago.........only 10 years ago I was a store manager as well. I made less than 40k but that same job today pays more that 40k. We all have different opinions of our Governor, but let's use some common sense in our discussions ok?
Closing Augusta hurts our
Closing Augusta hurts our economy for days. When Augusta closes, other businesses close too. I personally am affected for two or three days, sometimes up to a week, each and every time a governor closes the offices for one day. Paul isn't "forcing" them to go to work, they have personal days they can use if they don't think they should go to work.....that's what they are for.......welcome to Maine, where it snows in the winter, we can't turn it off!
Is Mark LaFlamme harboring
Is Mark LaFlamme harboring some secret feelings in favor of our new governor? Thank you Mark! Thank you for calling people out and saying it like it is! Thank you for making us accountable, Mainers need that right now! We now have two men in this state that have the brass to do so. He'll grown on you Mark, he really will............
If the subject does come up
If the subject does come up in class, don't forget to tell the students where Lepage may have gotten the example from. After all, it was our current president that publicly said: "When i find out who did this I'm going to kick their ass!"
While I do wish he'd polish
While I do wish he'd polish up his language just a smidge and he could have chosen better words in this case. We all have to understand that he didn't say it simply because he didn't like the NAACP. If you actually listen to the full context you will see that he said it because the NAACP was was steering the conversation in a very bad direction and was on the verge of saying Lepage was a bigot and that is far worse than a couple poorly chosen words. Being publicly labeled a "bigot" or anything like it, would be downright insulting to most anyone and is most deserving of a heavy response. On that note, I think Lepage responded mildly.
While I rarely agree with TRON's comments, I have to agree with this one. If the subject comes up in class, have your children write him. If it doesn't come up, don't bring it up.
Tron, you know the SJ is not
Tron, you know the SJ is not a Lepage supporter. This is merely a "followup" for the other "followup" where Laflamme only mentioned comments that were against LePage. I am sure they got some unpleasant e-mails about it had to show the other side.....would have been nice if they showed BOTH in the original story.
Tweak it today, tweak it
Tweak it today, tweak it tomorrow, tweak it next year, in five years, again in ten years and before you know it, there is nothing left and our children will not enjoy the rights we have today.........
I don't read this paper much,
I don't read this paper much, not because of the comments left by it's readers. Those I actually find amusing. It's the fact that the SJ has, on many occasions, publicly chosen to push the left wing agenda. I simply can not trust any write up from them concerning politics anymore.
What is there to disagree
What is there to disagree with? I stated that I understand Ben's position and that he has a right to be concerned then I simply asked questions....... ???
It's funny how you've made it
It's funny how you've made it a point to bring my identity to everyone's attention on this particular string in hopes to make me nervous but nobody has had the need to do that before, on much more controversial issues. My profile has never changed. It has always listed my real name and town......
Ben, I don't want you to
Ben, I don't want you to think that I don't understand your position. I do understand and you are rightfully concerned, but how did you get into that "situation" in the first place? Did your employer force you to "sign your life away"? Did you feel you "had" to do it? Did you negotiate your contract? Did you have a lawyer go over that contract? Life is full of choices that we all must make.
Actually "Ben" you obviously
Actually "Ben" you obviously do not get as much info from my few words or my profile as you would like everyone to think. I am not an hourly employee, I am a commissioned employee under contract. Had the contract with my company been such that it would hinder my free speech outside of my work, I would not have signed it in the first place and I wouldn't be working for such a company. When you sign a deal with the devil, you lose your identity. It's your choice. If to comment would require me to breach my contract, I would simply not comment and move on.
or better yet, don't sign a
or better yet, don't sign a contract or agree in a verbal contract, to do anything that would hinder your free speech. Shame on you if you did.
That's right, if you are
That's right, if you are contractually forbidden to say certain things, then DON'T SAY THEM.
FOUR...
FOUR...
and to think, BOTH the
and to think, BOTH the Democrats AND Independents were so bent on pinning this on LePage!.........crow season starts today folks! :)))
don't be surprised when the
don't be surprised when the rumors are found to be true, that it was a connection to another "independent"..........crow is good with a little A1!
neither one of us said they
neither one of us said they should get away with it.....please read carefully next time.
It's because the LSJ publicly
It's because the LSJ publicly supported Cutler for Governor.
Yes, I believe it was the
Yes, I believe it was the pouring rain we got that delayed it but what amazes me is that the family that puts this on does this in the holiday spirit. It costs them a lot, but they charge nothing and people get mad when they drive "for miles" and they are not on. It sounds to me, Peg, that you had a wonderful night out with your family even without the lights and THAT is the blessing here.
because he's Tron...that's
because he's Tron...that's all he needs.
Well said Armymom, it is our
Well said Armymom, it is our VOICE that makes it worth it!
I'd like to add to fixit001
I'd like to add to fixit001 post, that the only car insurance we are required to have is LIABILITY, which protects the other person or property.
Before the regular LSJ
Before the regular LSJ liberals correct me, I should have said "recent months", not "two months"....
Is this Baldacci's last ditch
Is this Baldacci's last ditch effort to take credit for helping turn state spending around?? The last two months? Really?? What about the last 8 years??
I remember growing up in the
I remember growing up in the 70's when it was normal to wait longer for the plows. When the snowbanks were allowed to pile up higher. How did we deal with it then? We just did! We put snowtires on our cars and trucks. We didn't go out unless we absolutely had to. We didn't sue the landlord for our slip and fall because we chose to go out in loafers, we didn't complain to the city because we chose to go out with summer tires. We were responsible for ourselves. WE HAD ACCOUNTABILITY!
You don't need to explain it
You don't need to explain it to them Heaven, they will never understand until it happens to their own........
if being a "dedicated
if being a "dedicated obstructionist" means stepping up to prevent lousy policy then I am proud to call myself an "obstructionist"!
We are giving him more
We are giving him more time....he has two more years to become the president he told all of you he was!
He doesn't have to now. The
He doesn't have to now. The voters around the country did it for him!
They do have a party, it's
They do have a party, it's the "Independent Party".......if they didn't want to be affiliated they could register as "unaffiliated".
If this is what Obama calls
If this is what Obama calls "progress" than I can't wait to reverse it!
I rest my case Voisine! You
I rest my case Voisine! You are a perfect example of the "closed mind" I speak of!
Many of us "far right
Many of us "far right republicans" actually used to think we were liberal democrats until we opened our minds and learned the difference.
at the end of the day, it's
at the end of the day, it's the word of the people and businesses, that have tried to make it here and found too much working against them, that hold water........and they happen to agree with Forbes.
and the LSJ is insinuating
and the LSJ is insinuating that the rest of them have attended ALL of the debates?? Newsflash!! They have ALL canceled appointments!!
There is a ceiling for every
There is a ceiling for every job. Working in one job for 25 years doesn't justify breaking that ceiling. If after 25 years a teacher feels he or she needs to make more money, then it's time for a career change or time to climb that ladder of success! (or they can stop paying the unions!) They do not "do this work for the state" they do it for the children!
Mardens is what it is because
Mardens is what it is because they have found a niche market. They buy insurance claims! That's their business! That's what it's always been! If you want a fancy clean store, go to Walmart! If Mardens isn't in your taste, then stop going there! It's that simple!
He isn't married to China
He isn't married to China business either!
ah...democrats funded those
ah...democrats funded those wars.....they had control, remember??
I second that Gary52!
I second that Gary52!
You obviously haven't paid
You obviously haven't paid attention because he DID calmly explain the week before the "incident" but the media isn't showing you that. He had been hounded for a week about it and was sick and tired of explaining over and over. The "incident" took place at a press conference that was already decided was going to be about the issues our state faces. The reporter that asked the question was out of line and had ill intentions no doubt!
and her dishonest tactics are
and her dishonest tactics are backfiring.....
I like the way they say it
I like the way they say it was "allowed", like Florida decided to give it to them! The law wasn't broken in the first place, it never was. I am quite sure I remember someone telling us that too! Who was it? .....Oh yeah, Paul himself told us this! Imagine that, he tells the truth and gets dragged through the mud for it......... typical democrat election tactics. Let's lie about him and hope nobody finds out the truth until after the election! Your tactics backfired again democrats! You can't use lies to discredit a man that tells the truth!
Cutler has a ton of
Cutler has a ton of experience sending jobs to China too!
Well, guess I spoke too soon
Well, guess I spoke too soon yesterday..........you disappoint me today SJ!
Fla. assessor clears LePages
Fla. assessor clears LePages in tax case
By REBEKAH METZLER Staff Writer
AUGUSTA – The homestead tax exemption claimed by Ann LePage for a property in Florida has been deemed legal, according to a letter from the Volusia County property tax appraiser released Monday.
Ann LePage is the wife of Republican gubernatorial candidate Paul LePage, mayor of Waterville.
A preliminary investigation by Morgan Gilreath, property tax appraiser for Volusia County, deemed that Ann LePage had been improperly granted the Florida property tax break in 2009, because she was already receiving a similar exemption in Maine. The tax breaks in both states are typically only granted to homeowners claiming the property as their primary residence.
But, as reported previously by MaineToday Media, Florida law has an exemption for homeowners receiving the credit in another state if the Florida residence is ‘the permanent residence of another legally or naturally dependent upon the owner."
Gilreath had initially said in a letter to Ann LePage in September that there was no allegation on her Florida homestead application that this situation existed, so he called it a “moot point.”
Further investigation by Gilreath proved otherwise.
IRS forms from 2008 and 2009 that were provided to Gilreath by the LePages showed Ann LePage’s mother, Rita De Rosby, as a dependent.
When the issue of dual homestead exemptions was first brought up to Paul LePage, he cited his family’s role in caretaking of Ann LePage’s mother as the reason for the Florida house.
“My wife goes and cares for her and she comes back in the spring,” Paul LePage had said at the time. “It’s all about my mother-in-law’s health.”
In his most recent letter to Ann LePage, Gilreath called the situation “unusual.”
“This issue has only arisen one other time that anyone here can recall,” he wrote.
HERE-->> http://www.kjonline.com/news/Fla-assessor-clears-LePages-in-tax-case.html
I must say, the SJ recent
I must say, the SJ recent lean to the right on a few issues impresses me. Learning and changing is nothing to be ashamed of! I did it myself as well!
Paul Lepage was left out of
Paul Lepage was left out of the poll today?? Why?? Even if you add Paul now, these numbers will be off because they would have to write paul in.
Going to war doesn't give you
Going to war doesn't give you the right to crap on everyone around you! Soldiers like you give the rest a bad name! We are in this situation because of democrat rule! Plain and simple. I work very hard to support my family and I DON'T vote democrat, I have every right to complain!
There are plenty of Mainers
There are plenty of Mainers that work very hard so they can enjoy the retirement that Maine has given you but we may never get there because the taxes you pay now, we've been paying ALL OUR LIVES! I find your comments about us disrespectful and as far as I am concerned, you can remove that "vacationland" plate and GO HOME!
Veritas, it is OUR success
Veritas, it is OUR success that will support YOUR vacationland! You can still enjoy your retirement as we hope to be able to as well. When I get to retirement age, I don't want to have to take handouts from the state because that WILL affect your vacationland negatively!
Maine has been in the bottom
Maine has been in the bottom 10 on that list for years and never complained before. Was the 49th slot not worthy of defense? We've had PLENTY of warning! It was only a matter of time before we were handed the 50th slot! How about if those "experts" in Augusta drive around and speak with the people of Maine for some input on this report?? I consider myself somewhat "successful" but even I am taking heat from out of state corporate (New Jersey) for not being "successful enough". I see the numbers in my business and if I rated my opportunities on a curve, I come in last too! We have the uncanny ability to weather the storm, but we just never hit the highs we could if we simply allowed ourselves to do so. Maine does NOT need another Democrat in the Blaine house!
Imagine that! Democrats with
Imagine that! Democrats with blinders on!?? Maine has been in the bottom 10 on that list for years and never complained before. We've had PLENTY of warning! It was only a matter of time before we were handed the 50th slot! How about if those "experts" in Augusta drive around and speak with the people of Maine for some input on this report?? I consider myself somewhat "successful" but even I am taking heat from out of state corporate (New Jersey) for not being "successful enough". I see the numbers in my business and if I rated my opportunities on a curve, I come in last too!
I understand your point, but
I understand your point, but people are leaving faster than they are coming in and in all honesty, I don't want to depend on your money, I want to make my own so I can retire JUST LIKE YOU! This state can not survive on retirees alone. There is no excuse for our government to abandon the people that built this state by making it tough for us to be successful here. Manufacturers do NOT want to come here and many have left. Sooner or later, it WILL affect even the retirees that now make this home.
does it matter??
They included ALL 50 states, so don't try to make this a political jab against democrats in Maine. This is what it is!
WS you show your lack of
WS you show your lack of intelligence each and every time you speak up! You never disappoint us! bravo!!
Here's a nasty surprise you failed to mention....
Congratulations to Gov John Baldacci and 36 year incumbent and Gov wannabee, Libby Mitchell, for putting Maine at NUMBER 50 - DEAD LAST - on Forbes list of the best states for business and careers. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION YET ???? (I had to mention that being at 50 was dead last for those Dems who think there are 57 states.)
The 6 vital categories they judged were COSTS, LABOR SUPPLY, REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, CURRENT ECONOMIC CLIMATE, GROWTH PROSPECTS, AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
Quality of life we came in at 16. Utah was Number 1. They are ranked 18 on quality of life. You can have a good business climate AND have good quality of life. They are not mutually exclusive!!!
When businesses decide to grow and expand, Maine rarely, if ever, even makes their short list. Hence, fewer and fewer good jobs, and our children continue to leave the state for work.
Maine is the "oldest" state in the U.S...... having the highest median age of any other state. Vermont is #2 and is politically structured similarly to Maine. Florida is #5. The 6 New England states are ALL in the top 11.
Here in Maine, if you promote a better business climate, then you are an advocate for dirty air and water. When I see other states, who rely on their wonderful outdoor environment for tourism having tremendous success in attracting and keeping businesses, it becomes so obvious that Maine is on the wrong path
read it yourself here -->> http://www.forbes.com/2010/10/13/best-states-for-business-business-beltw...
But still what????
"Levesque took it all in stride: "Obviously, I'm not a great driver," he told the Sun Journal. "That's not what this race is about."
Of course it's not. But still ..."
I really hate that expression, "but still...." It really shows that the person using it has NO IDEA how to defend their position! Levesque made a very legitimate comment about the reference to his driving record and the writer strengthened it by saying 'Of course it's not." then follows with "But still...." Ok Mr Editor, but still what??? We are waiting! But still what??????? Let me help you, "But still......we are a liberal paper and simply will not leave a comment in favor of the conservative untouched in some negative way!"
read it yourself here folks!
read it yourself here folks! -->> http://www.forbes.com/2010/10/13/best-states-for-business-business-beltw...
Congratulations to Gov John
Congratulations to Gov John Baldacci and 36 year incumbent Gov wannabee, Libby Mitchell, for putting Maine at NUMBER 50 - DEAD LAST - on Forbes list of the best states for business and careers. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION YET ???? (I had to mention that being at 50 was dead last for those Dems who think there are 57 states.)
read it yourself here -->> http://www.forbes.com/2010/10/13/best-states-for-business-business-beltw...
Congratulations to Gov John
Congratulations to Gov John Baldacci and 36 year incumbent and Gov wannabee, Libby Mitchell, for putting Maine at NUMBER 50 - DEAD LAST - on Forbes list of the best states for business and careers. ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION YET ???? (I had to mention that being at 50 was dead last for those Dems who think there are 57 states.)
read it yourself here -->> http://www.forbes.com/2010/10/13/best-states-for-business-business-beltw...
You think she is "tactfull"??
You think she is "tactfull"?? Paalease! Leadership only requires the will of the people to follow!
unfortunately TRON has a
unfortunately TRON has a history of making comments based on the "grapevine" instead of seeing the evidence with his own eyes so he is rarely believable. Remember the story about the boy that cried wolf? Antedeluvian, my suggestion to you is go as far to the left or right as you can because if you get too close to the middle you'll just get more of his crap!
AKA: a personal agenda!
AKA: a personal agenda!
let's not forget, he owns a
let's not forget, he owns a successful business that is controlled by the insurance industry and a seat in the Blaine house will give him power over the insurance companies.......conflict of interest??
funny....
I've seen reports on multiple news channels that there are many voters in other states that wish they had Paul running there!
wish I could agree more than
wish I could agree more than once!!
video link fixed...
http://wolf184.zymichost.com/
Go to 1:00 into this video
Go to 1:00 into this video and watch and listen to what Libby Mitchell says about schools in Waterville. She says they are the best. The teachers union endorsed Mitchell and they are trying to scare you by lying about Paul LePage.
http://wol...f184.zymichost.com/
With Paul LePage elected as Mayor, now in his 3rd term, in a city where Democrats outnumber Republicans 11 to 1 (that means Democrats elected him to 3 terms and this was before the 'Tea Party') LePage spent MORE on education.
You can read about that here.
http://www.mainefreedomforum.com/the-mea-comes-after-paul-lepage/
"I am a college student who
"I am a college student who supports Eliot Cutler." so you don't have much real life experience......Cutler has been sending jobs to China probably since before you were born.
What I have seen is that most
What I have seen is that most of the people that are complaining about loud motorcycles keep referring to the harley. Fact is, V-Twin engines (two cylinders) run louder than a four cylinder engines and all harleys happen to be v-twins. Many of the aisian bikes on the market now have followed suit, producing big v-twins. Why?? Most of you wouldn't recognize a harley from a honda shadow or a yamaha v-star any day of the week, but you all blame the harley! Many times I have heard people refer to a Harley on the road only to have to tell them that it was a Kawasaki or a victory.........the Harley just happens to be the most popular v-twin out there.
???
Drivers distracted by loud stereos?? How did loud stereos back then distract them any more than a "normal" volume stereo?? Did they have to crank a handle to make it play louder??
have to ask....
I have to ask old Bill, that Yamaha 400 is an old bike, were you riding it back when drivers weren't distracted by cell phones, pdas, ipods...etc??
no...
it isn't a simple two sample test. Define for me, quiet rider and loud rider?? There are many different levels of "loud". What is loud to you may not be to me, so to make this a simple two sample test there must be a clear agreed upon line between quiet and loud and all bikes within each group must be at the same level of sound (to make it simple). Since the chance of each group being identical within itself is slim to none, this is no longer a simple two sample test. Where would you even get the data to determine if the bikes in the accident were loud or quiet? Nobody ever asks, "were his pipes loud or quiet before the crash?" Now we can use, let's say a 2000 Harley Sportster with an 80 pound woman and the same bike with a 300 pound man and it WILL sound different under load. The 80 lb woman may have a more quiet ride then the 300 lb man on the same bike creating yet even more variables within each group. The bike could be considered under the "quiet rider" group with her on it, but under the "loud rider" group with him.
To determine if loud pipes, bright colors, or helmets save lives, we must be able to also count the lives saved by them and since nobody counts them, the data simply does not exist. Again, we are not saying "quiet pipes kill", we are saying loud pipes increase our chances by making us "audibly visible" much like every other industry is allowed to do. If sound wasn't considered a "safety mechanism" then we wouldn't have sirens, back up alarms, fog horns, car horns etc.....
Now, that said, I will agree that there is a line between "acceptable sound" and "unacceptable noise" and the argument is: Where do we draw that line?? MECALM wants motorcycles snuffed out completely because their key members simply don't like bikers and they have demonstrated that countless times. By pushing for a "total clamp down" via a discriminatory EPA label law they have, in a sense, ASKED the biking community to push back........
i wasn't....
I can tell you, I wasn't at OOB when that happened, but I am being blamed for it.
but I do.....
understand statistics.......your method of figuring the stats on this would REQUIRE ALL "near misses" to be identical.......and there are just too many variables affecting this for that to happen. Way too many, hence the term "aggregate statistics" which is VERY CLEARLY used in the article. Thank you for strengthening my position on this by using more aggregate stats!
Andy, you said: "This link to
Andy, you said: "This link to an opinion piece certainly proves that loud colors work much better than loud pipes to improve motorcycle safety and also cost much less than illegally loud pipes."
Please tell me, is it an "opinion" or "proof"......you contradict yourself in this statement.
The fact is, nobody knows for sure if loud pipes, bright colors, or even helmets save lives because NOBODY keeps track of "lives saved"....there is no way to. The data just doesn't exist! Not for you and not for us......
there will always be...
@ Johnny, there will always be some that are too loud to some people, no matter what laws are put in place. Those that are obnoxiously loud now will continue to be obnoxious in other ways after wards....... do we keep chasing them with new laws or do we simply, actually, enforce the ones we have?? Some might even, at times, find your public conversations annoying....it all subjective.
the problem now....
@ Johnny, the problem now is that because your attention has been focused so much on motorcycles that you are now actively looking and listening to each and every bike that goes by and even the stock bikes are being shunned. The media now has control YOUR mind.....is that really where you want to be??
not taking....
Auburn and Lewiston PD are NOT taking advantage of a "new law", they are simply doing their job due to the media coverage this year. They could ALWAYS do their job if they had wanted to since most of the loud bikes would have failed our inspection laws anyway! The law is NOT NEW, simply reworded to close a loophole that was being abused by a few. The loud pipes being cited have always been illegal. After decades of no enforcement some bikers chose to take advantage of that and each year it got worse. Heck, it's been so long since this has been enforced that some had never even heard the old version of the law, let alone the new version....... so do we blame the motorcycle community entirely?? Most of the motorcycle community agrees that something needs to be done but we are all being shunned because of the acts of a few............the media coverage as well as some noise-activist groups have instilled unreasonable fear in the non riding community and now even I am getting dirty looks when I start my STOCK V-Twin..........the pendulum is swinging too far the other way and that will only cause the "loud bikers" to get louder.
You have to remember, those that disrespect the community by riding obnoxiously loud will always disrespect the community no matter what. Loud pipes now, something else next.....
loud pipes........
Taken from: http://www.motorcyclephilosophy.org/
Thursday, March 20, 2008 | Posted by Steve Johnson |
Loud pipes save lives: I know you've read many other arguments on the issue of "loud pipes save lives".
I wanted to present a new argument on the standpoint that our society only counts fatalities, and not survivals.
The problem with the "loud pipes save lives" claim is that there's no way to measure it as being true or not. As long as riders continue to go on living, we'll never know if it was their loud pipes that saved them from accidents.
On the other hand, we can count biker deaths. But what good are biker deaths when we're trying to figure out if loud pipes save lives?
If you ride a motorcycle, I'm sure you tend to get a little anxious about being in someone's blind spot. I always accelerate or drop out of it. The fact is that I don't know if my pipes have ever saved my life. But I do have loud pipes, and yes I've been in several near misses. The fact that I'm still alive just might be attributed to those pipes.
We'll never know for sure if loud pipes save lives because government doesn't count accidents that almost happened. But ask any motorcycle rider who is still alive, and he or she will tell you about the near misses they were involved in.
The irony, however, is that many people who protest against loud pipes are often the same people that support helmet laws. They claim that helmets save lives, but how do we know that if we only count the fatalities?
The truth is that we don't have statistics on how many times a helmet saved a life. We only know how many bikers died. Instead we analyze the consequences of repealing helmet laws by comparing the before-and-after fatality rates. If we see a 0.25% or higher reduction in fatalities, we pat ourselves on the back for making progress.
So can't we also suggest that loud pipes don't always save lives, but they will increase your chances? What if a state decided to aggressively enforce its noise abatement laws and forced every motorcycle owner to reinstall their stock exhaust? Will motorcycle deaths increase?
And if they did increase, will the State apologize and reverse its decision on loud pipes? Should we experiment with the lives of motorcyclists and see if more of them die?
If we defend helmet laws with aggregate statistics, then it stands to reason that the same can be done with loud pipes. Except, we don't have such statistics.
And I don't think we ought to create any, either.
you are right....
You are right fatandhappy......but the EPA label law that MECALM is pushing as we speak is indeed discriminatory!
not illegal...
They are not illegal by them self....period.
nobody....
nobody was pointing fault, what was said was that he drove his bike into the drivers door.........whether it was her fault or not, the point was that her car didn't hit him, his bike hit her car.....as far as speed was concerned, there are mixed stories on that one.
of course....
and of course Tron, you also meant to let us all know that the biker was a kid on a crotch rocket speeding on Lisbon St and struck the lady right in the drivers seat! She didn't hit him, he drove that bike right into her lap!
yes...
I get your point, you just don't get mine.....maybe YOUR bike will never be offroad, but some are. When they say "offroad" they are referring to racing, not running through the woods!! If your pipes are labeled, then you ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! YOU Scott, are why we are in this fight today!
the idea...
Jabba, the idea behind LPSL is that drivers know where we are at all times because they can hear us and allow them to AVOID a close call in the first place.....imagine the complaints we'd get if we were driving around town with our fingers on the horn all day. Here's an idea, we install cell phone blockers on all our bikes so you'll all have your calls dropped when we are around and then you'll have to put your phone down and pay attention.
why??
Why are the quite guys so infatuated with bikers "unmentionable parts"??
drivers watch for....
Drivers watch for cars because hitting one could kill them! Hitting a bike only kills the biker......the driver goes home to his family. The bikers family picks him up at the morgue......what's left anyways.
obviously......
The off road exhaust is for racing only. That's why they can sell them and you can buy them......PS: Take a good look at your Pythons, depending on which ones they are, they may be labled too.
actually....
One of the most active members of MECALM is also fighting wind turbines!
it's people...
like you jojones that keep stereotypes going. I think you'd be very surprised at how many doctors, dentists, lawyers and teachers ride a bike AND wear the black leather.....without a helmet....you wouldn't know the difference! I bet you know more bikers than you think! You are describing a very low percentage of bikers with your insulting discriminatory description! Just because you've seen troublemakers riding a bike, doesn't make all bikers troublemakers. I've seen troublemakers driving Volvos too!
people who....
People who install pipes that clearly say "for off road use only" or "not for highway use" or fail our very clear inspection laws, SHOULD get a ticket........I am going to explain this in as clear a way as I think you can handle. There is a group of people that hate loud motorcycles and there is a group of people that respect nobody and run extremely loud open core exhaust, but there is a MUCH MUCH larger group of people stuck in the middle of it all. They do run aftermarket exhaust but do NOT cause trouble. It is NOT illegal to run aftermarket exhaust on a motorcycle!
ahhh yes.....
I knew it was only a matter of time before one of the regulars posted here! How's Mr. Sprung doing today? You see, Mr. Sprung is one of those guys that has purchased a home in the middle of a city near a major airport and now wants that city to shut up so he can enjoy his peace. He has chosen bikers as his target because...well...let's face it, how can he get public support to fight the rich airport or the local emergency sirens that the ENTIRE public benefits from?
While I will admit that there are a lot of groups against loud pipes, I will also let everyone know to take that statement with a grain of salt as those groups consist of the same members over and over again......they post to these blogs using different names over and over again as well to give you all the impression that they are a big force not to be messed with and the links between them and NOISEOFF are clear. I doesn't take but a few days of monitoring the blogs to learn that. PS: For what it's worth, the facebook page for Citizens Against Maine Revised Exhaust Law (CAMREL) has many more members than ALL the "CALM" sites COMBINED! and they are counting their members only once each.
The EPA label law on the federal books was meant for manufacturers and dealers only, not the end user. Much like the tag on your mattress! We do not have enforcement of that EPA label law against consumers because it would be like having the "mattress police" enforcing that law too. Motorcycles are the only vehicles on the road that come from the manufacturer with an EPA label, making the EPA label law they want to pass all over the country, very discriminatory and some members of congress are starting to recognize that.
While the figure of 42% of bikes in Maine being un-inspected is true, his reason is simply an assumption as he has no connections to the motorcycling community to believe other wise. His remark that bikers think they are above the law because of this 42% figure is also an assumption. We all know that if cars and truck were not required to display an inspection sticker, there would be a much higher percentage of them uninspected as well and many of those would indeed be VERY dangerous to have on the road.
Let's all keep in mind, Maine has a "absolute speed law"......that means that if the speed limit is 50mph and you are doing 53mph, you are breaking the law.....does that mean you believe that you are above the law because you have chosen to speed?? I have failed once or twice to get my bike inspected but not because the bike was illegal. In 2012 we will be required to display our inspection stickers, lets take notes today and see what kind of "evidence" Mr. Sprung has for us in 2012
but they are....
@scott, the pipes you speak of are indeed LEGAL, just not legal for use on public roads and are labeled as such. Don't simply believe what you read on the anti noise forums! Do your own research........selling or using open core exhaust is not illegal, it's how you use them that makes them illegal. You don't blame gun manufacturers when someone gets shot!....or do you???
some say.....
Some say that sound doesn't mean safety, yet Toyota recently announced that it's new Prius will begin making a artificial sound when running on electric so people will hear them coming, for safety........we install back up alarms on trucks, for safety......on the ocean, in certain instances, boats are required by the coast guard (a government organization) to blow their horn when visibility lacks, for safety......emergency vehicles use sirens, for safety (which by the way, is another area of attack for NOISEOFF) so why can't "louder than stock" exhaust be used for safety??
it's not the cops....
@fixit001, it isn't the cops doing this, it is the anti noise activists that are forcing the cops to clamp down on us. They sit home all day and blog all the newspapers whenever they see an article written about loud pipes in an effort to build public support for them and against us. I expect to see their regulars on here today........
last post....
There is nothing to agree or disagree about in my last post titled "More on the proponents of LPSL....." as that is a FACT based response..........do your research before coming to any conclusion. Here are links to both sides of the issue.
Visit the CAMREL face book page here --> http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?gid=133026663387511&ref=ts
Visit the MECALM face book page here --> http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/mecalm?ref=ts
Visit NOISEOFF here --> http://www.noiseoff.org/
Visit United Bikers Of Maine here --> http://www.ubm-usa.org/
More on the proponents of LPSL.....
I encourage the SJ readers to explore BOTH sides of the issue irregardless of where you think you stand now......the group pushing for a complete silencing of motorcycles goes beyond MECALM alone. The national organization, NOISEOFF, is behind MECALM and they are also going after your leaf blowers, car alarms, lawn mowers etc. So before you speak too loudly about loud motorcycles, remember, NOISEOFF could very well affect YOU next......if you are in the lawn care business, this is your battle too! If you own an automotive repairs shop, this is your battle too! If you own a daycare, this is your battle too! Most of the motorcycle community do indeed agree that there needs to be some enforcement, but NOISEOFF wants to silence us for good, they want more restrictions on us then anything else and they are coming after YOU next!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=133026663387511&ref=ts
LPSL??
Taken from: http://www.motorcyclephilosophy.org/
Thursday, March 20, 2008 | Posted by Steve Johnson |
Loud pipes save lives: I know you've read many other arguments on the issue of "loud pipes save lives".
I wanted to present a new argument on the standpoint that our society only counts fatalities, and not survivals.
The problem with the "loud pipes save lives" claim is that there's no way to measure it as being true or not. As long as riders continue to go on living, we'll never know if it was their loud pipes that saved them from accidents.
On the other hand, we can count biker deaths. But what good are biker deaths when we're trying to figure out if loud pipes save lives?
If you ride a motorcycle, I'm sure you tend to get a little anxious about being in someone's blind spot. I always accelerate or drop out of it. The fact is that I don't know if my pipes have ever saved my life. But I do have loud pipes, and yes I've been in several near misses. The fact that I'm still alive just might be attributed to those pipes.
We'll never know for sure if loud pipes save lives because government doesn't count accidents that almost happened. But ask any motorcycle rider who is still alive, and he or she will tell you about the near misses they were involved in.
The irony, however, is that many people who protest against loud pipes are often the same people that support helmet laws. They claim that helmets save lives, but how do we know that if we only count the fatalities?
The truth is that we don't have statistics on how many times a helmet saved a life. We only know how many bikers died. Instead we analyze the consequences of repealing helmet laws by comparing the before-and-after fatality rates. If we see a 0.25% or higher reduction in fatalities, we pat ourselves on the back for making progress.
So can't we also suggest that loud pipes don't always save lives, but they will increase your chances? What if a state decided to aggressively enforce its noise abatement laws and forced every motorcycle owner to reinstall their stock exhaust? Will motorcycle deaths increase?
And if they did increase, will the State apologize and reverse its decision on loud pipes? Should we experiment with the lives of motorcyclists and see if more of them die?
If we defend helmet laws with aggregate statistics, then it stands to reason that the same can be done with loud pipes. Except, we don't have such statistics.
And I don't think we ought to create any, either.
widestanceWTH?
Mr Widestance Democrat, obviously you are NOT a republican as you would like us to believe. No self respecting Republican would support Mitchell. I have seen many of your posts and I'll tell you, YOUR mouth is far worse than Paul's, hands down!!
out of context....
Your "quote" of lepage is out of context! He was using that example to show how our welfare system is BROKEN! His employee would have lost more than a competitive wage would have given and that's a broken system! His employee could have lost ALL assistance had he given even a small raise. That's why he wants to utilize a tiered system, so as an employees income gradually increases, the assistance will GRADUALLY decrease, not completely stop all of a sudden!
you can see it....
@ Gary52, that side of the equation actually jumped right out at me while reading the SJ editorial........it's a no-brainer!
@XYZ, be carefull what you call him out on! An MBA is a verifiable document!! Instead of calling him a liar, why don't you do your civic duty and verify it??
great...
His words sound great, but they all do. Tell me why Eliot Cutler has been so involved in business in China where he has had a vested interest?? Maine has lost enough jobs to China, we can't afford to lose any more! Eliot Cutler is a direct link to China!! The most basic research will verify this.
It's simple math SJ....
You said it yourself......increase the average salary of Mainers and we will require less federal monies. How do you do that?? Well, you start by bringing good jobs to Maine!! If the state puts US in a better financial position, the result will be less federal funds needed. Why did you miss that side of the equation in your response?? Is it because you didn't expect your readers to catch it? Believe me, they will!!
you can do anything.....
“We all have to find new and better ways for doing things,” and she added, “you can’t do this without assistance from the federal government.” WTH?? You can do anything without assistance if you put your mind to it and your heart into it!!
just watched.....
I just watched it a dozen times and agree, it's not for sesame street......I'd admit though, if i were an 8 year old boy, it would encourage me to watch!
childish....
That was very childish of Mr. Ferland!
maybe.....
Maybe having the public attend those meetings, and take part, might help the committee prioritize the use of it's limited funds?? Maybe the committee should ask for the public's help through volunteers? Maybe the community should volunteer without being asked to do so????
The Pledge....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYHLVUVctQk
is wondering....
why the SJ editorial board isn't working with the MDOT on rt 136 to solve the problem??????....
good thing.....
Good this I know the difference between a mouse and a whopper junior, that's all I can say!
expected news....
Just as expected in any campaign, the competition doesn't want another casino in this state at all, so this is just as bad for Lewiston as it is for Oxford, but I am sure Blackbear is ready for the fight as they already have a lot more support than last time. A casino in Oxford will help ALL SURROUNDING counties (including Androscoggin where Lewiston is) The last time most of the opposition came from downeast Maine.......what do you know, Bangor is the metro area for downeast Maine isn't it?! Downtown Lewiston is NOT the place for a casino. That is the "gate" to our city. It they proposed one in the outskirts of Lewiston, I'd probably support it.
helmets.......
The reason you are wearing seat belts and we are not wearing helmets is because we stood up for ourselves and you did not! That was a choice you made.
work....
Now, I am going to leave for WORK, I want you kids to get along while I am gone........
bilgerat......
Bilgerat, like we are saying, there is a time and a place for it and we don't all do it! You, like MECALM are stereotyping us.
MECALM
MECALM is a very discriminatory group. They are painting bikers to be thugs and criminals when many of them are doctors, lawyers, and teachers. I bet some of them are even teaching YOUR children.
MECALM......
Andy Ford, I think is the only one at MECALM that is actually from Maine, the rest are out of staters wanting us all to shut up so their state will follow suit.......there is more to this movement then just the loud pipes debate! They have stated that they will keep going all the way. That street rod you own, the weedwacker, the lawn mower, your ATV, and they will not stop until they have gone through all 50 states. Did you know that some parts of California already have noise ordinances against leaf blowers? There is a group in New York trying to ban car alarms!? In a city where auto thefts are a daily occurrence!! Most of us that run loud pipes agree that there is a limit. It is only the select few that take it too far. We will all pay for this one way or another, at one point or another. It will affect all of us soon.
keep in mind...
Keep in mind, I am not advocating drag pipes or extremely loud pipes, just the ability to keep my bike a little louder than stock. The revisions don't allow for ANY change at all on bikes, but they allow for some on cars and trucks. That's not fair, that IS discriminatory. Cars are aloud up to 95db, bikes can not be any louder than stock and it's the officers discretion to determine if it is. It would be my responsibility to prove it's not in court. Guilty until proven innocent for bikers......murderers and child molesters are innocent until proven guilty! The way it should be!
PS: correct facebook page
The CORRECT facebook page for Mainers against the new revisions is: Citizens Against Maine's Revised Exhaust Law
comments.....
@Brain..... comments like yours are exactly why this debate has become so heated. This is exactly the type of stuff MECALM is saying, and they think they are professional in doing so. There is some common sense in the term "loud pipes save lives" but there isn't any at all in your comment. There can not be any data to back up our theory because the state and local governments don't keep track of "near misses"....why would they? They only keep track of injuries and deaths and then, the only concern is weather or not the rider had a helmet on. Not weather or not he had loud or quiet exhaust. You have to be a rider with a near miss or two under your belt to fully understand.